The Clintons and the LGBT Community

I thought it would be useful to discuss Bill and Hillary Clinton and whether they support the LGBT community. This the below is from a 2007 article by John Aravosis:

Go back to the Clinton re-election campaign in 1995. Clinton hired Democratic strategist Mark Penn as his pollster and political adviser along with now-conservative pundit Dick Morris. (Mark Penn is also Hillary Clinton's chief strategist for her current presidential run - more on that later). Penn, Morris and Clinton had decided that Clinton was going to win the re-election based on his support for "family values." And family values meant "bashing gays."

From TIME
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By the time Clinton arrived in Chicago for his party's convention in August, nothing that hinted at liberalism was left hanging on him. When the President, who had begun his term advocating the rights of gays in the military, came around to supporting the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred federal recognition for gay and lesbian unions, Dole was wide-eyed. "Is there anything we're for that he won't jump on?" Dole asked. The answer, essentially, was nothing...
It's no coincidence that after hiring Penn, Clinton signed the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act and then ran radio ads on Christian radio touting his support for DOMA.

From the Associated Press, October 17, 1996:
After angry complaints from gay-rights advocates, the Clinton campaign on Wednesday replaced an ad running on religious radio stations that boasted of the president's signature on a bill banning gay marriages....

The Clinton spot also touted his signing of the Defense of Marriage Act, in spite of earlier White House complaints that the Republicans' use of the issue amounted to "gay baiting."
DOMA wasn't something Bill Clinton was forced to do, it's something he chose to do, wanted to do, was happy to do. And that explains why Bill Clinton has never repudiated his support for DOMA. I thought at the time, and still thought up until a few days ago, that Bill Clinton was forced to sign DOMA. That the only reason he hadn't repudiated that support - hadn't said "look, it was GOP gay-baiting and I didn't have a choice, no Democrat had a choice" - was because it might put Hillary in a bind, forcing her to also repudiate DOMA, something she of course would WANT to do but couldn't because it might prove politically dangerous. But now it seems Clinton's Choice was much clearer, and more calculated, than that. Clinton thought DOMA was a great idea for him then, and thinks it's a great idea for his wife now. It's not a necessary evil, it's manna from heaven.

The final proof that legislative gay-bashing is still something President Clinton recommends as smart Democratic politics? Bill Clinton wanted to make sure that John Kerry's presidential defeat in 2004 would be blamed on Kerry's unwillingness to sufficiently bash the gays. That's the most sensible explanation for why he made the following leak to Newsweek within days of Kerry's loss (Kerry-Edwards campaign staff tell me that they were not the ones who leaked this to Newsweek, and Clinton and his people were the only other party involved).

From Newsweek:
President Clinton, who signed the Defense of Marriage Act when he was in the White House, advised Kerry in a phone call early in the campaign to find a way to support the state bans. Kerry never considered abandoning his principles to that extent, but he also didn't take seriously enough the threat.
So now the gays lost Kerry the election. Priceless.

It gives me no joy to bash Bill Clinton. I cannot express sufficiently how much I admire the man's intellect and his political acumen. We had lunch with him last fall, and my first thought was "this is what a real president is like." He possesses so many of the qualities that our party and our politicians lack nowadays. But the man is politically amoral. Not immoral - amoral. And he, along with his amoral campaign aide Mark Penn, are the top advisers to Hillary Clinton's presidential run. And that should give every supporter of gay rights, civil rights, or any other issue, serious pause.

There's already a growing concern in the gay community that Senator Clinton, while "good on paper" on gay issues - and once considered remarkably good personally - will throw us under the bus if and when she becomes president. And let's be clear. We're not talking about some arcane tax policy issue. We're talking about our lives. Having the Democratic party's top two legislative gay-bashers as her top two advisers, men who will betray any cause, any principle, any supporter, for a bump in the polls (read more about Mark Penn's own loyalty problems here and here), does nothing to assuage those growing concerns.

PS And if I'm wrong, if Bob Shrum is wrong, if the senior Kerry-Edwards campaign official is wrong, if history is wrong, then let Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton publicly repudiate DOMA in its entirety.



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Re: The Clintons and the LGBT Community (2.00 / 2)

Hmmm.  Obama was good on paper too, but he needed black votes more than GLBT votes.  He lost me for good, sorry.  At least Bubba had reasons I could understand for the things he did, and I don't fault him for the Sophie's Choices he had to make...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:18:22 PM EST

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I don't really know what this means
"There's something horrible and undefeatable about people who have no life except the worship of power. People who don't want the meeting to end."
by campaignmonitor on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:20:34 PM EST
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It means that Obama hired the homophobic entertainer, Donnie McClurkin, who had performed for George Bush's campaign in South Carolina and was credited with increasing Bush's percentage of the black evangelical vote. IOW, Obama hired McClurkin to entertain for him with the express intent of giving homophobic black voters reason to believe that he was opposed to gay rights. IOW, Obama through gays under the bus in order to win black votes.

Hillary, however, led the offense against the Federal Marriage Amendment which would have been far more restrictive than DOMA. She called HRC and asked their president to come down, and meet with her and help her stop the amendment - which they did. She is also on record, on YouTube, on video saying that she supports gay unions have 100% of the same rights that heterosexual couples have.

BTW, Clinton didn't say gay marriage lost the election for Kerry. That's your imagination. Clinton, according  to this account, to oppose the state's perogative - but that's it.

I know Hillary thinks that the word "marriage" is problematic. She thinks that gay couples will have the same legal rights as straight couples long before they will have the word marriage.

She's practical. I like it.


by Little Otter on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:51:16 PM EST
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Seriously?

If Obama hired him for the express intent of courting homophobic evangelical black voters, why did he have an openly gay minister speak at the same event?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/obamas-gospel-concert-tour/

Why did his campaign call inviting McClurking "a mistake, but nothing more complicated than a mistake"

Why did Obama remark that he had heard people in the Black community and churches "saying things that I don't think are very Christian with respect to people who are gay and lesbian"?

Why did the Clintons run radio ads touting the signing of DOMA in evangelical areas?

Your allegation simply doesn't hold water.


by BeekerDynasty on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 01:45:10 PM EST
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Yes he did hire him to pander. And his "mistake" was getting caught.  Did he really think the GLBT wouldn't notice?  "Ex-gay" anything is like throwing gasoline on a fire with us.  Offensive and insulting doesn't begin to describe what he did, and the thing is, he knew he was doing it because we told him so...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 01:57:13 PM EST
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If it was a mistake, he should've fired him. He didn't. It's no longer a mistake.


by Little Otter on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:18:42 PM EST
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No, it is a catastrophy.


by DaleA on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 07:48:31 PM EST
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Where is my comment? Did you delete it? OK. I will repeat it.

"At least, Hillary is not bold enough to invite an anti-gay preacher to her events."

http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/break ing-obama-says-wont-pull-anti-gay.html


by praxis1 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:20:17 PM EST

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Sorry, I had some posting issues and had to report the topics so I didn't screw up the home page
"There's something horrible and undefeatable about people who have no life except the worship of power. People who don't want the meeting to end."
by campaignmonitor on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:20:58 PM EST
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That's fine. I just post my comment again.


by praxis1 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:21:50 PM EST
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To your point, my post is about the Clintons and their commitment to the LGBT community. I know that the first supposed trump card that everyone whips out is Donnie McClurkin but Obama risked political capital in Illinois to pass a non-discrimination law whereas the Clintons have routinely thrown the gays under the bus for political expediency. I am 1000% more confident that Obama will do more for us.
"There's something horrible and undefeatable about people who have no life except the worship of power. People who don't want the meeting to end."
by campaignmonitor on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:22:48 PM EST
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And yet Obama didn't lead the campaign to defeat the Federal Marriage Amendment. I notice you don't mention that anywhere in your post. Is Hillary's actual resume and vote history not relevant to your post?


by Little Otter on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:52:45 PM EST
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Sure, she is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis cuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address =132x3634146


by DPW on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:25:57 PM EST
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Nice find: Rev. Harold R. Mayberry, senior pastor at First African Methodist Episcopal Church in Oakland... *** Religious groups on common ground Many faiths oppose same-sex marriages Don Lattin, Tyche Hendricks, Cicero Estrella, Vanessa Hua, Chronicle Staff Writers Sunday, March 14, 2004 Like most religious opponents of same-sex marriage, the Rev. Harold Mayberry, pastor of the First African Methodist Church in Oakland, has preached against homosexuality to his congregation of 2,800. However, he does not think a federal amendment is necessary. The scriptures direct people how to lead a moral life, he said. "I'm comfortable in what I believe in," Mayberry said. "I'm not rejecting people. As God loves, we love. I don't reject thieves, I reject thievery.'' http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg i?file=/c/a/200... ***** Hillary courts the the Reverend --- Hillary Clinton Continues Push for Black Vote by Meeting with Bay Area Leaders released on 08/16/07 at 09:08:22 Last week Senator Hillary Clinton stopped by the African American Art and Culture Complex for a meeting with Bay Area African-American ministers and community leaders. "I thank all the leaders whom I met with for their contributions to our country and their commitment to fighting for civil rights and equality," said Clinton. "As President, I will partner with African-American leaders to ensure that the promise of America is realized." The afternoon meeting, organized by Reverend Amos Brown of Third Baptist of San Francisco and Pastor Clarence Johnson of Mills Grove Christian Church, was an opportunity for African-American leaders to hear directly from Hillary Clinton on the issues that affect their community. <SNIP> http://www.emergingminds.org/magazine/co ntent/item/5114 **** And celebrates Mayberry's endorsement on her campaign website -- "Senator Clinton has an excellent concept about how she plans to address issues surrounding crime and education. She described how she has partnered with leaders in New York to create a charter school specifically for African American men and notes that the Allen Cathedral AME Church charter school in Jamaica Queens, New York could be used as a model of how to help educate African American young men. Her mentioning of the school shows that she's aware of outstanding successful examples of education in this country. The way she addressed the need for the federal government to partner with inner cities suggests that she's not just focusing on international issues but that she's concerned with domestic ones - particularly crime and violence in our communities. I want a president who knows how to strike a balance between addressing international and domestic challenges facing this country," said Reverend Dr. Harold R. Mayberry, Senior Pastor of First African Methodist Episcopal Church and Chairperson of Network for Interfaith Action. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/relea se/view/?id=285...
"There's something horrible and undefeatable about people who have no life except the worship of power. People who don't want the meeting to end."
by campaignmonitor on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:28:15 PM EST
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As opposed to Obama (1.50 / 2)

who has already thrown us under the bus.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:56:13 PM EST

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You also left out the fact that as President, Bill Clinton opened up all federal employment to gays. And let us get security clearances. He appointed openly gay people to high profile positions, or they became high profile when he appointed them.


by DaleA on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 01:08:50 PM EST

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The Clintons have never fooled around with showcasing exgays. Exgays are the dealbreaker.


by DaleA on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 01:09:53 PM EST

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I am gay and Hillary is my girl! Hillary has won the gay vote probably 70-30 based on my observation


by rossinatl on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 01:24:59 PM EST

Thank you (2.00 / 1)

for this diary. It's about time the truth about the Clintons tossing the LGBT community overboard sees the light of day.


by sam2300 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 01:37:28 PM EST


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