NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits "Involvement In" Prostitution Ring

Not sure what that means exactly but this is all very disturbing.

Gov. Eliot Spitzer has informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, an administration official said this morning.

Mr. Spitzer, who was huddled with his top aides early this afternoon, had hours earlier abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day. He is set to make an announcement about 2:15 this afternoon at his Manhattan office.

Mr. Spitzer, a first-term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform and end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.

Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.

He should be speaking at a press conference right about now, anyone watching?

Update [2008-3-10 15:11:34 by Todd Beeton]:Crap, Fox News is reporting that sources tell them that Governor Spitzer will be indicted and will resign. How profoundly disappointing.

Update [2008-3-10 15:19:26 by Todd Beeton]:If Governor Spitzer does resign, Lt. Governor Dave Patterson will become New York's 59th governor and the state's first African-American governor. Huffington Post has a profile.

Update [2008-3-10 15:47:7 by Todd Beeton]:In a brief statement to reporters, Governor Spitzer apologized to his family and to the public. Looks like he was indeed a client.

An affidavit in the federal investigation into a prostitution ring said that a wiretap recording captured a man identified as Client 9 on a telephone call confirming plans to have a woman travel from New York to Washington, where he had reserved a hotel room. The person briefed on the case identified Mr. Spitzer as Client 9.



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This may put sex back in the news (none / 0)

This trumps everything.  

Very sad indeed.


by puma on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:27:49 PM EST

Damn. (none / 0)

What else is there to say?


allprogressives.com
by Scan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:31:02 PM EST

So far, his term has been a mess (none / 0)


by earthoat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:32:45 PM EST

Re: So far, his term has been a mess (none / 0)

Even the NYT has cooled considerably.


by earthoat on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:33:54 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (none / 0)

So much for his administration.


by rfahey22 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:33:07 PM EST

Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (2.00 / 1)

He better not run for a second term. Crazy, we were all so excited about Spitzer and his commanding popular vote blowout. His term has been a disaster. Just what we need, a Democratic sex scandal as a Clinton from NY may be on the presidential ticket.


Philly Liberal
by Airb330 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:34:40 PM EST

Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (none / 0)

Let's not get so far ahead of ourselves as re-election, this could be big enough to force a resignation. We don't know yet.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:43:21 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (none / 0)

I was a big fan of Spitzer when he got elected but I'd be surprised if he makes it to the next election.  My gut is he will be forced to resign.


by John Mills on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:43:43 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (none / 0)

Second term?  He better resign sooner than that!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:52:59 PM EST
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Is it really that hard (2.00 / 1)

to keep it in his pants? What a colossal disappointment he has turned out to be. I once had very high hopes for him.


by godemsin08 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:37:51 PM EST

Re: Is it really that hard (none / 0)

People were talking about him running for President one day. Apparently not! The license fiasco (doesn't matter if it was right to do, he handled it poorly), other scandals, and now this. Yikes.


Philly Liberal
by Airb330 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:39:46 PM EST
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Re: Is it really that hard (none / 0)

For rich and pwerful men, no matter what their political party or affiliation, keeping it in their pants can be very hard at times.


by spirowasright on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:13:54 PM EST
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Good news? (2.00 / 2)

You need to get some perspective.

Can you imagine me doing "something like this?"  (Whatever "this" is.)  After all, you know me on an actual human level just as well as you know Obama.

Yeesh.


Tim Wolfe

John McCain is not pro-choice!

by bruorton on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:38:32 PM EST

What a total nimrod (2.00 / 1)

I have no respect for corrupt politicians.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:40:06 PM EST

Re: What a total nimrod (none / 0)

In what way, exactly, does solicitation of prostitution equal corruption? This is classic Righty BS. I do not care who my politician f**ks, as long as it isn't me, and it isn't on the public's dime.


by 1arryb on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:48:55 PM EST
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Re: What a total nimrod (none / 0)

He ran as the anti-corruption candidate.

Prostitution is illegal in New York.

Ergo, he is corrupt.

It was just a plain dumb nimrod thing to do.

Hopefully, Paterson will be abole to distance himself from Spitzer.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:59:19 PM EST
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Re: What a total nimrod (none / 0)

Do you even know what political corruption is?


by Trickster on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:19:19 PM EST
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Re: What a total nimrod (2.00 / 3)

Yes, I do.

Spitzer is at the top of the heap in New York politics, knew of a high class prosititution ring, availed himself of their services, and failed to do anything to shut down the ring.

That makes him corrupt. He is an accessory to prositution when he should have shut the ring down as soon as he knew it was in operation.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:21:12 PM EST
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Re: What a total nimrod (none / 0)

Based on your logic, Obama was at the top of Illinois politics, knew about the dirty tactics of certain slum lord and still did nothing. Instead, he bought house with the help of slum lord.

Having said that, what Spitzer did is very bad:-(


by Sandeep on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:28:19 PM EST
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Re: What a total nimrod (none / 0)

You're comparing apples to ducks.

Seriously, part of Spitzer's ability to avail himself of the prostitution ring's services is the fact he would not do his job which would entail he shut them down for their illegal activity.

Please, point me to anywhere where there is evidence Obama knew anything of the illegal doings of Rezko. Spitzer most certainlk knew of teh illegal doings of the prostitution ring, and has already admitted as much. Where's your evidence on Obama?

Please, be careful before you make spurious accusations. I do not accuse Clinton of any illegal actions or knowledge of illegal actions when it comes to Norman Hsu.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:36:44 PM EST
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Interesting point (none / 0)

So, essentially you're saying that since government officials are part of the law enforcement apparatus, if they break any law, they have somehow violated their oath to uphold the law in return for the "benefit" of doing the illegal act and are therefore corrupt.  I could dance around this issue by pointing out that the brothel in question is in D.C. and therefor out of Gov. Spitzer's jurisdiction. But heck -- let's go for it! IANAL, but a quick glance at some court docs online indicate that a) there has to be a more overt quid-pro-quo for Spitzer's (alleged) brothel use to be corrupt; and b) Although citizens have a long-recognized ethical obligation, there seems to be some kind of a due-process Constitutional objection to criminalizing non-reporting of a crime.


by 1arryb on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:44:13 PM EST
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Re: What a total nimrod (2.00 / 1)

Ummmm...

Sorry - but character actually should count for something.   I don't buy into the righty framing of "character" meaing hate the gays and control a woman's body -- but patronage of a prostitution ring?

Yeah - that sorta crosses a "character" threshhold.   An affair?  OK - the heart wants what the heart wants, private matter, yada yada... this isn't an affair, it's patronage of a prostitution ring.


by zonk on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:31:26 PM EST
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Re: What a total nimrod (none / 0)

Soliciting prostitutes is more than having an affair - it's breaking the law. You can argue that the band shouldn't be the law, but for now (and I personally hope forever), it IS the law. And knowingly breaking the law is corruption. How is demanding our leaders follow the law Righty BS? The last 7 years have suggested that that's the very OPPOSITE of Righty BS.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:32:41 PM EST
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He has to go (2.00 / 1)

You cannot remain in office after violating a law that you had previously sent other people to jail for violating.


by fladem on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:53:58 PM EST
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Spitzer (1.00 / 8)

You know what it reminds me of....a certain former president who couldn't keep it in his pants.

And I bet that will cross the minds of a lot of other people.  

Do you think his replacement will be a superdelegate for Clinton, too?


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:41:34 PM EST

Something for MyDD to consider: (none / 0)

Moderating the comments section. And deleting off topic nonsense like this.


by JohnS on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:46:34 PM EST
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Re: Something for MyDD to consider: (none / 0)

If tehy did that, most diaries would end up with two or three posts maximum.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:00:10 PM EST
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Re: Something for MyDD to consider: (none / 0)

Judging by the quality of most of the posts on this thread, that might not be such a bad thing.


by JohnS on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:57:56 PM EST
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Re: Something for MyDD to consider: (none / 0)

I don't consider this off topic. He's not slamming the former President, but making a point that this is something that will cross a lot of voters' minds if the media ties Spitzer to the Clinton's. And as far as the presidential race, every superdelegate counts, so that's a fair question as well. I like Bill Clinton, but I'm ok with the post. I'd usually not give it any mojo, but I am this time to balance out the zeroes.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:34:53 PM EST
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Re: Something for MyDD to consider: (none / 0)

Ahmmm... I think she should at least renounce and reject his support. After that, I'm done with it.


by marcotom on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 06:06:10 PM EST
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Clinton (none / 0)

never sent anyone to jail for violating a law he had broken.

Just one of the many differences...


by fladem on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:16:35 PM EST
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The MSM will focus on sex & politics (none / 0)

from Bill Clinton, to Senator Vitter, to Senator Larry Craig, etc.


by puma on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:41:56 PM EST

NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (2.00 / 2)

Assuming Spitzer resigns, Hillary loses one more delegate.


by vermontprog on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:41:59 PM EST

Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (2.00 / 1)

If he resigned, the new governor would become a superdelegate.  He would be Lt. Gov. David Paterson, a Clinton supporter though there have been stories that he is a reluctant one.


by DaveMB on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:45:31 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

I'm not 100% sure that's true...

While certain office holders receive SD status, I'm not certain there's a protocol for 'replacing' SDs when an office holder leaves.

We've gone from 796 to 794 SDs.... One of those - former Cook County Board President John Stroger (probably the 3rd most powerful politician in Illinois).   He passed away in January.  His son, Todd Stroger, is the new Cook County Board President, but Todd does NOT have a Superdelegate vote.

Now... I'm not certain that Stroger had his SD vote because of his (former) elected position - he might have been one of the fuzzy "party players"... but I do know for a fact that when John Stroger passed -- the total SD number dropped... his son, who now holds his former (powerful) elected position, did not automatically get John's SD vote.

Please note... I'm not in ANY WAY implying the Spritzer situation has ANYTHING to do with Clinton beyond the SD implications.


by zonk on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:01:12 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

Actually I saw the claim elsewhere that Lt. Gov. Paterson is already a superdelegate (and on the Clinton list), whether as Lt. Gov. or some sort of party official I don't know.  So the original poster might be right even if it goes by office, if the Lt. Gov. office remains vacant when its holder becomes governor.

Anyone know whether NY replaces Lt. Governors the way the US replaces Vice Presidents?  MA did not when Jane Swift succeeded Paul Cellucci, but I think we might now,


by DaveMB on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:27:22 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

Certain elected Democratic officials (governors, House Reps, Senators) are automatically PLEOs.  Others, such as especially beloved former officials, are bequeathed the status.  Spitzer's successor will be a PLEO too.  In this case, it's the office and the party (D) not the person.


by MBW on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:32:56 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

Yeah - I'm reading some of the same...

However - Paterson was already a PLEO (DNC member- he's listed as a SD as of 2/28 on the DNC's official list).

I assume he doesn't get two votes.

Soo... Paterson now has and will continue to have a SD vote.

I think the question here -- does PATERSON's replacement get a PLEO vote?

I don't think so, right?


by zonk on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:48:51 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (2.00 / 1)

SHAWN

Stop troll rating abuse


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:00:19 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

Or he can do a David Vitter: appear with his "supportive" wife and continue in office.
After, NYers are used to odd conduct among many of their elected officials.  Remember Giuliani?
by susie on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:21:03 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

yeah but he could get indicted...

he needs to resign, sadly.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:44:57 PM EST
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Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

I'm not sure what it means by "involved," but, if it is worse case scenario, I want him to resign and I want Bloomberg as Governor.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:42:13 PM EST

Re: Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

Wouldn't the Lt. Gov take over?

Hey, maybe when Hillary loses the nomination she can plan to run for Governor.


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:43:30 PM EST
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Re: Governor Eliot Spitzer (2.00 / 1)

Yes.  If Spitzer resigns, David Patterson will become Governor and serve until the 2010 election.


by John Mills on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:45:05 PM EST
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Re: Governor Eliot Spitzer (2.00 / 1)

By the way, Lt. Governor Patterson would join Governor Patrick as African-American Governors.


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:59:33 PM EST
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Possibly the silver lining (2.00 / 1)

in this otherwise awfully grey cloud. Patterson's a good man and a good pol. I'm only worried that Spitzer is gonna mishandle this, he hasn't demonstrated a deft touch. I'm thinking about the state Senate and the Nov elections...


by JohnS on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:04:18 PM EST
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Re: Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

Yes, but Bloomberg could run in 2010, and I hope he does.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:50:22 PM EST
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Re: Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

That would be interesting. He is a good manager, but people from the city usually don't do well upstate.


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:00:04 PM EST
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Re: Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

That would be fascinating.  Bloomberg is like the anti-Spitzer.  One set out to bring down Wall St while the other owns a whole Wall St empire.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:24:56 PM EST
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Re: Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

Seems like he is listed in the court filing as a regular customer


by godemsin08 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:45:32 PM EST
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Re: Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

BLOOMBERG ??? You're kidding right?  BLOOMBERG ???


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:59:02 PM EST
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Re: Governor Eliot Spitzer (none / 0)

Why do you want a Republican as Governor... even if he is only a shado GOPer.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:02:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This site is full of faux Democrats... (none / 0)

that won't support the eventual nominee Obama. The same reason they would support Bloomberg.


by Erik on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:58:09 PM EST
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Hustler (none / 0)

I wonder if this is the big fish Flynt's been hinting he has?


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:44:47 PM EST

Re: Hustler (none / 0)

Wow I had the same thought.  


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:49:08 PM EST
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Bummer (none / 0)

I wonder if Wall Street set him up. Too bad.


by alexmhogan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:46:32 PM EST

Re: Bummer (none / 0)

Set him up? If he was soliciting prostitution he set himself up, and he can take the consequences. Don't set yourself up as a holier than thou crusader, if you can't take the scrutiny. I can't stand hypocrites.


by godemsin08 on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:59:16 PM EST
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Re: Bummer (none / 0)

totally agree


by bayareasg on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:29:02 PM EST
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I agree wholeheartedly (none / 0)

Whether he was "set up" is immaterial.

I don't have a whole lot of love for Harry Reid these days, but his infamous brush with a potential briber (he went to the feds, participated in a sting --- and darn near strangled the guy that tried to bribe him) is primer on how you deal with it.

Shame on Spitzer.


by zonk on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:34:21 PM EST
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That's pretty low (none / 0)

I can forgive an affair in an elected official,
but not this. This is just as bad as the GOP.
I want my UHC!
by votermom on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:51:04 PM EST

What makes it really bad.. (none / 0)

if he is indeed involved is the story I just read stated he was involved in a sting in 2004.  So.. one assumes he would know better and just get laid for free like the rest of the world.  


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:53:38 PM EST

not excusing the behavior, but (none / 0)

I think a lot of men go to prostitutes because they think prostitutes are more likely to keep a secret. If you start getting laid for free, who knows when your mistress might get pissed off and sell her story to a tabloid.

Like I said, not excusing the behavior.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:21:11 PM EST
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Re: What makes it really bad.. (none / 0)

Not all prostitution rings are the same. Spitzer probably went after the female slavery rings based in Russia or the Far East. I doubt he went after the independent escort listings in your local indepdendent paper.


by Pravin on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 05:34:34 PM EST
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Oops (none / 0)

When I said involved I meant involved in the prosecution not involved as a customer.


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:54:12 PM EST

Say goodbye to Eliot (none / 0)

He can't survive this. The knives have been out in Albany (GOP and DEM) for this reformer since Craig Johnson. Spitzer's poll #s are way down post Troopergate and the drivers' license fiasco -- look for Cuomo to capitalize in this as he did re: Troopergate.

This is devastating as the Dems have (had?) a serious chance at retaking the State Senate this year, for the first time in something like 50 years. After last week's special election we are now only one seat away!

I am seriously disturbed out by Spitzer's f*ups! Not sure how this will pan out. One thing for sure, the state  GOP, formerly in disarray, will now be solidly united behind Bruno.


by JohnS on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:55:53 PM EST

Prostitute or prostitution ring? (none / 0)

I hope he got caught with a prostitute-- then he could run for Senate and be accepted by his peers like Vitter.

But if he got caught dealing with the prostitution ring iself, then that's another thing.  That would be a real crime.


by Sieglinde on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 02:56:32 PM EST

Spitzer will resign (2.00 / 2)

Just announced on FOX.


by falcon4e on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:00:09 PM EST

Re: Spitzer will resign (2.00 / 2)

Finally, something actually pertinent to the actual thread.  What a novel concept.  

The reason this scandal is so deadly is because Spitzer ran on being a reformer that would clean Albany up.  But if he just another John or Pimp (has anyone explained what "involved in" means?), then he is just another politican and there is no reason to believe anymore.

I just hope Dems can still take back the state senate, and get Spitzer's worthy agenda passed.  Spitzer as a person, go to counseling.


by DaveB on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:04:13 PM EST
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Re: Spitzer will resign (2.00 / 2)

I agree - I hope he gets help and I feel really bad for his wife and children.


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:07:19 PM EST
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Re: Spitzer will resign (none / 0)

My bet is, he was a John on the House.

In other words, he obtained services, but never had to pay.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:24:50 PM EST
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Re: Spitzer will resign (none / 0)

Read the complaint--it's even sadder than that.  He had to haggle with them over an outstanding balance and whether he was credit-worthy enough.

Actually, maybe don't read the complaint.  It's sordid and depressing.  But it is up on NYT and Ambinder--Spitzer's "Client 9."


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:56:42 PM EST
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Re: Spitzer will resign (none / 0)

It is sad... I mean Clinton's affair really didn't have any impact on his governing ability... but the GOP's cruxifiction of Clinton greatly hindered his ability to govern.  I would assume the same would be true.  Not sure WHY they would indict him... yeah prostitution is illegal but that seems a bit extreme.  

Amazing... two years ago he was a bench candidate for President or VP.  Now his career is over.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:54:35 PM EST
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Spitzer (none / 0)

It's getting to the point where we can no longer trust any ethics reform proposals for our public servants which come from a member of a major political party.

http://www.jeffwartman.com/2008/03/new-y ork-governor-eliot-spitzer-linked.html


http://www.jeffwartman.com
by Jeff Wartman on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:04:25 PM EST

Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (2.00 / 1)

WHAT are you DOING!?
This story has NO relevance to the primary race.  

by JoeCoaster on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:04:28 PM EST

Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (none / 0)

So? MyDD is a blog about democracy, the Democratic Party, and politics. It existed before the primary race and will exist after - we don't need to limit it to one issue or story.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:39:12 PM EST
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Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (none / 0)

Hmm... was the snark? Is my snarkmeter broken again?


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:39:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (none / 0)

No, the post I was responding to is gone. Never mind.  


by JoeCoaster on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:54:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Just heard.. (none / 0)

whispering that it was a Gambino family prostitution ring.  Wow, if that is true it looks even worse.


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:06:27 PM EST

Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (none / 0)

Paterson is also legally blind.


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:07:33 PM EST

Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer Admits (2.00 / 1)

He's done a lot of advocacy for the blind:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pater son
by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:10:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

pretty awesome (2.00 / 1)

for non-sighted actually, if does a good job. (Not that being blind would prevent him from doing a good job, just saying that it would help in overcoming the bias against voting for people who is blind or deaf. Hope that made sense.)


I want my UHC!
by votermom on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:17:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Strangest thing ... (2.00 / 1)

Just this morning I was commenting to my partner about what a strange disappointment Spitzer has been as a governor, given all the FDR-esque hype that surrounded his candidacy. My partner agreed and noted that it reminded him of that line from the movie Double Indemnity: "All this time I though you were a little smarter than the rest of the outfit. Guess I was wrong. You're not smarter ... you're just a little taller."  


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:07:37 PM EST

Re: NY Governor Eliot Spitzer (2.00 / 6)

Why would you make a joke about his wife?  This has to be a terrible time for his family.  You are an insensitive boob.


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:14:38 PM EST

Spitzer Admits "Involvement" (none / 0)

From Chicago Tribune:

The Times reported that a person with knowledge of the governor's role believes the governor is identified as a client in court papers.


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:17:25 PM EST

LOL! (none / 0)

Think Larry Sinclair feels the same way?


allprogressives.com
by Scan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:17:37 PM EST

Re: LOL! (none / 0)

note, this comment was a clever retort to comment that no longer exists. oh well...


allprogressives.com
by Scan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:25:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: LOL! (none / 0)

Yeah, he got snatched up by the collar and booted out. There are other comments that seem out of context now.


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:36:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Irrelavent (2.00 / 5)

I'm an Obama supporter, but seriously, you give us a bad name when you pull shit like this. This has NOTHING to do with the Clintons, or with Obama, so stop being a troll and spamming this nonsense.


by JewishJake on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:18:24 PM EST

Re: Irrelavent (1.50 / 4)

I'm commenting on how the public may react, since I do think that a lot of people will think of Bill Clinton when they hear the news.

But I guess we just can't even speculate about possible public reaction, no?

Somethings can't be said here and some history has to be pushed down the memory hole.


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:28:28 PM EST
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Re: Irrelavent (none / 0)

Give me an effin break.  There have been TONS of stories about scandals since Bill Clinton.  


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:40:11 PM EST
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Re: Irrelavent (none / 0)

This comment is so not worth the mojo I gave it, but it's not worth being hidden, either.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:05:33 PM EST
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Hillary For Governor!!! (2.00 / 1)


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:19:06 PM EST

Re: Hillary For Governor!!! (none / 0)

LOL... Yep, she should drop out and run for Governor...  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:03:53 PM EST
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"Involvement In" Prostitution Ring (none / 0)

If he steps down, he is also out as Clinton Super Delegate


by Skipster on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:19:48 PM EST

Re: "Involvement In" Prostitution Ring (2.00 / 3)

That is the most beside the point thing people have said on this thread.

IT DOESN"T FLIPPING MATTER!

And on top of that, resignation means David Paterson is the governor and he becomes a Super Delegate immediately. He supports Hillary Clinton.

This alters NOTHING in the presidential race and people who are trying to make presidential political hay over it are disgusting.

FUL DISCLOSURE: I am an Obama supporter.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:27:47 PM EST
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Re: "Involvement In" Prostitution Ring (none / 0)

Except that the new guy will vote for her anyway.  Those terms are miniscule and unimportant right now.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:04:35 PM EST
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Re: Eliot Spitzer On A Personal Note (none / 0)

Regardless of what you think of him politically, on a personal note, what kind of compulsion makes someone in his position do this?  And, at the risk of being flamed, this does resemble president Clinton's situation.  Both were men who appeared to have everything, yet they risked losing so much because they were not able to control their sexual urges.  It's very sad and yet fascinating at the same time.  


by ruskin on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:21:43 PM EST

Re: Eliot Spitzer On A Personal Note (none / 0)

At least Clinton could hide behind the thin veil that he was seduced, I seriously doubt that you just run into $5000 call girls.


by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:28:40 PM EST
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Re: Eliot Spitzer On A Personal Note (none / 0)

I agree - but I got a warning because I asked that question.

By the way, how do you get a warning and what does it mean?


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:29:26 PM EST
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Re: Eliot Spitzer On A Personal Note (2.00 / 1)

The resemblence is merely spurios and does not exist when examined in the light of day.

With Bill Clinton, the matter was between two consenting adults and involved no illegal activity.

With Spitzer, we're talking about a prostitution ring which is illegal in the state of New York.

The two matters could not be more different.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:40:28 PM EST
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Re: Eliot Spitzer On A Personal Note (none / 0)

I agree that is different, but I'm telling you, the media, public, and late night comics will be drawing parallels.

In any case, if it does have an impact on the presidential race, I'm not at all clear what it would be. In fact, it could help Hillary since it would remind people of how she has been overcome difficulties in her life and fight on.


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:54:05 PM EST
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Re: Eliot Spitzer On A Personal Note (none / 0)

These two episodes are more similar than they are different.  Both involved public, powerful men with families, who risk everything to sneak around to have sex with someone they should not have sex with.  The fact that one involved a criminal transaction and the other didn't is really an insignificant distinction.  (also, let's not forget the whole perjury thing that arose from Clinton's behavior)

It's tragic on a personal level, but I also think it raises serious questions about the judgment of the men involved.  If they are willing to risk so much to satisfy their lust, what else are they willing to do (or what did they do when they were in office).  


by ruskin on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 05:00:07 PM EST
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Re: Eliot Spitzer On A Personal Note (none / 0)

Many men have gone to a prostitute. Just look at the business. Or go to one of those escort forums. It is not a sign of arrogance but it could be a need for sex outside marriage and since our society frowns on affairs, these things will happen.


by Pravin on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 05:31:37 PM EST
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Ugh (none / 0)

Ugh, this is freakin lame.  GOPers are supposed to be the ones that pull this crap.  Very disappointing to see Spitzer caught up in this.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:28:35 PM EST

Just Saying- (2.00 / 1)

All these political guys with their various sexual problems-

Seems like a good reason to elect more female office holders.  Women, in general, don't seem to be so much afflicted.  (Not to say it couldn't ever happen).


by susie on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:40:44 PM EST
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Re: Just Saying- (none / 0)

That's very presumptuous...  The fact is, there are significantly less women in elected office, so there are less opportunities for philandering to be exposed...  


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:03:33 PM EST
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Re: Just Saying- (2.00 / 1)

When was the last time a woman was exposed for "philandering" while in any elected office - federal, any state, anywhere?  


by susie on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:59:34 PM EST
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Re: Just Saying- (none / 0)

Women cheat at the same rate as men, they just don't need to pay for it ;)


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 12:44:04 AM EST
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Re: Just Saying- (none / 0)

Interesting claim.  May I have your source?

"Women cheat....they just don't need to pay for it"

Let's see:

Prostitutes are prosecuted; johns rarely;
Amateur women cheaters- pregnancy possible; (Ever watch Jerry Springer or Merv "who is the father of this baby?" Griffith?)
Women too tired out from raising children, keeping house while holding a job.

I'll go back to my original contention: if we had more women office-holders - even 50% of offices- we would have much fewer sex scandals and the hypocrisy that accompanies it.


by susie on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 01:37:08 AM EST
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Re: Just Saying- (none / 0)

I can't believe there is anyone out there naive enough to believe that women don't cheat but here you go since you need a source.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/1 7/earlyshow/living/main667380.shtml

That is on the high end, the standard number is between 40-45% of women cheat.

So no, I don't really think there would be some great reduction in the numbers of office holders cheating.  It is 2008 and women are just as dirty and nasty as men now and don't have to hide behind a false moral code where they have to be all demure and whatnot...AND THANK GOD FOR THAT!


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:17:57 AM EST
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This Is the Best You've Got? (none / 0)

So you "don't really think there would be some great reduction in the numbers of office holders cheating" if 50% of office holders were women.

I say it's worth giving it a try, and that's only one reason.  Male-dominated government hasn't been working too well for us lately.


by susie on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:09:34 PM EST
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Re: This Is the Best You've Got? (none / 0)

No I don't think there would be a substantial change in the amount of philandering officer holders but if you want change just for change sake that obviously doesn't bother me.  I voted for my state's female senator and then voted for America's first muslim congressman so you are preaching to the choir on that front.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 03:59:48 PM EST
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Troll bait (none / 0)

Todd, this diary has brought at the trolls. Ugh!


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:29:37 PM EST

Re: Troll bait (none / 0)

You can call it trolling, but there are MSM folks already asking how it affects the Clintons and making comparisons to that situation.

The press will continue to do this and the public will be thinking about it.  Wishing that away doesn't make it so.

One example below, from http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/If_David_Vitter_can_survive_this.htm l
"Illinois State Senator Emil Jones told me a little while ago that he'd been among the few Illinois elected officials willing to meet Bill Clinton on the tarmac in Chicago during the worst of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and recalled how crucial that (largely African-American) political support had been for Clinton.
I'm not sure whom Spitzer can lean on here."


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:36:03 PM EST
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Re: Troll bait (none / 0)

It's ugly gutter crap that makes the MSM look bad.

Heck, I'd not be surprised if some idiot from the media asks Obama about it and he comes back telling them how he's perplexed they would make such a question and that the question is ridiculous on its face.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:41:47 PM EST
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Re: Troll bait (none / 0)

The fact the you bit into my comment just reinforces my observation. BTW, this is just an example of one of your comments that is now hidden: "By the way, what would the protocol for interns working in the same White House as Bill Clinton?"


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:46:15 PM EST
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Re: Troll bait (none / 0)

If you want to do honest political analysis, you have to be willing to discuss how issues will play out in the press and campaign.

And what is your answer for my question?


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:48:40 PM EST
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Re: Troll bait (2.00 / 1)

You are not doing "honest political analysis". Your question isn't worth an answer.


by grlpatriot on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:58:16 PM EST
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Re: Troll bait (none / 0)

Again, if you think this question isn't being asked there, you are not paying attention.

I sometimes work with a program that places interns in govt offices and the question comes up, often with a statement about the Clinton-Lewinsky matter.

You can't troll rate those parents, but that doesn't mean that they aren't out there.  


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:51:17 PM EST
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Re: Troll bait (2.00 / 1)

Oh, for the love of Pete, mainelib. There was a jab at the man's wife. How is that NOT trolling? Even if you take yourself out of the picture, and most folks wouldn't today, this thread is covered in trolls and TR abuse both.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:53:59 PM EST
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Re: Troll bait (1.00 / 2)

If there was a jab at the man's wife, then you are right that that was not ok.

However, I have to say that I don't approve of this whole troll rate system.  I really like free speech and open discussion. If you don't like what someone has to say, either ignore it or answer it.  Don't block their speech.


by mainelib on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:56:45 PM EST
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Re: Troll bait (none / 0)

Andrew, why was this comment of mainelib's worth TRing? It's not worth the mojo I gave it, but I feel I need to balance out the zero. Man, the TR abuse here today is as bad as the actual trolling.

This is not Daily Kos, where it is acceptable to zap every single comment on a given thread from someone who makes two or three trollish comments on that thread.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:11:34 PM EST
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It is kind of pathetic.. (2.00 / 2)

that Obama supporters are rubbing their hands together at what they perceive as another chance to sit around and cluck like hens over how this will affect Clinton.  If you have no sense of decency for his wife and children than I don't know what to say.  This is a tragic story for democrats and for this man's family and friends.


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:42:49 PM EST

Re: It is kind of pathetic.. (none / 0)

Oops..screwed up again I meant to say some Obama supporters.  


by JustJennifer on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:44:03 PM EST
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Re: It is kind of pathetic.. (none / 0)

As I am sure there will be some clinton supporters who will do the same if Blago gets indicted due to Rezko.  

Some people are just giant douches... oh course, Ironically Blago is ONE of those people, but still.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 03:57:24 PM EST
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Re: It is kind of pathetic.. (none / 0)

Jennifer, I'm a Obama supporter and will say this has nothing to do with HRC. The party is in trouble, we can close ranks on this.


McBush: ''Doesnt' know that much about economics''
by PrinceCA on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 04:36:27 PM EST
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This has nothing to do (none / 0)

with Clinton or Obama - it simply has to do with a Democratic governor who broke the law, showed an appalling lack of character, and ought to resign.

He's all but admitted the truth of the accusation.

All that's left is his resignation.


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