The Ones

"At some point in the evening, a light is going to shine down and you will have an epiphany and you'll say, 'I have to vote for Barack.'"

- Barack Obama




California, Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, you wallowed in darkness.

Become The One You Are Waiting For (or hell, just fake it, whatever, do something).

There's a "Who will Jerome Vote For" poll in the extended entry.


Poll
Who will Jerome Vote For
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
Write-In the candidate on his pos car's bumber-sticker

Votes: 153
Results : Vote Link : Polls

Display:


Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

Is this some kind of Quasi-Anti Question to trick me?


What would LBJ do?
by Socks The Cat on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:30:28 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Not at all. This administration is proObama, but since the site meter is going bonkers with Hillary supporters, why not let them vent. What good will it do? Democrats will vote for Democrats and Hillary no longer belongs in the fold.

The Age of Clintonism is over.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:28:16 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Sorry. We are not going anywhere and neither is Hillary.

If you really think the age of Clintonism is dead, then why support Obama? He really is like Hillary in terms of policy and votes. What he likes is the experience and toughness to enact them.


by cath on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:53:34 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Yikes. I meant to say what he "lacks" not likes.


by cath on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:54:33 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

One more correction, he has more elective experience and given her method of counting experience (everything post law school) she only has more experience because she's been ALIVE longer.


by Inquisitive on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:56:41 PM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

The "experience" meme has already run its course. People are instead asking, experienced at what? Substance over experience is what people are attracted to.

Yes, at this moment, Obama looks like another, perhaps softer, DLC candidate. He worked with the poor in the past and did advocate for a single payer universal health care system in the past. These liberal-socialist credentials that hark back to FDR and the Kennedy-Johnson era suggests a foundation in fundamental liberal Democratic politics. There is little reason except politics to suggest that Obama has forgotten his roots.

However, when I see the real DLC, Republican Lite candidate, Hillary, criticize Obama, for once advocating a single payer health care system, like the kind every modern industrial nation in the West has, except America, it is enough to know that with Hillary, the Democratic party is going backwards not forwards in regard to its fundamental agenda.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:11:14 PM EST
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We're not all maniacs (none / 0)

Please see the thread..we are not all maniacs. It shows Obama supporters are not all sheep following the crowd.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/9/2481/ 88164


by mageduley on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:56:28 PM EST
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That question is about as tough as (none / 0)

"who did Bill Clinton vote for?"

Same answer as well.


by CarolinaNumber23 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:34:16 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 3)

What's really impressive is how Delaware and Connecticut have so much Obamentum that they're levitating and expanding.


by OrangeFur on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:35:50 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Let's just hope they don't explode while expanding.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:35:48 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 2)

This whole thing is beginning to freak me the hell out .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:35:56 AM EST

OMG! I'm Glad I'm Not the Only One (2.00 / 1)

I get so creeped out every time I see something from BO's site.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:56:07 AM EST
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Every time? Doesn't that make you an Obama hater? (none / 0)


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:42:01 AM EST
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Re: Every time? Doesn't that make you an Obama hat (none / 0)

Do you seriously not see how weird this stuff is?  My friendly advice is to start talking, you know policy again.  Talk to actual undecided voters in a town hall.  Start persuading, cut the circle jerks.


by MassEyesandEars on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:47:57 AM EST
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Re: Every time? Doesn't that make you an Obama hat (none / 0)

What "stuff"? Obama talks enough policy and has a pretty good record.

But, yes, I'd like to see him talk more about the fact that Hillary Clinton and John McCain are pretty much on the same side in hawking dumb neocon wars and other Washington ways.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:55:53 AM EST
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Re: Every time? Doesn't that make you an Obama hat (none / 0)

I would also like to see him say that sort of thing, as loudly and as often as possible.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:48:39 AM EST
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Useful to revisit his speech: (none / 0)


I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.
-- Obama, Oct 2002

Video clips


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:20:14 PM EST
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Re: OMG! I'm Glad I'm Not the Only One (2.00 / 1)

What I don't get is the assumption that Obama supporters are like the Church of Scientology. Come on guys. Obama isnt saying anything weird like we are all from the planet zenu or something.

If you look behind the scenes, you will understand all of the hype.

Now, I personally am a political junkie. I follow all of the CSPAN stuff. I follow the breathtaking corrupton of the Bush regime with no end to how far they'll go.

Anybody paying attention to all of this felt more and more despair and were beginning to realize that the America as we knew it, was certainly headed for a fall. I don't know how many people said, "Forget this, I'm moving to Canada"

Obama is taking a stand. He is asking us to remember what made this country great. But there are those who think believing in fairy tales of the American ideal is not a realist. They give into the cynism that America will never be what it once was. That somehow it has been broken and will never have the patriotism it once had.

"We have been told we can't do this by a chorus of cynics. They will only grow louder and more dissident. We have been warned against giving people false hope. But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope." - Barack Obama

What is creepy about taking our country back? What is creepy about not giving up when our country has been tortured by this corrupt administration?

Fighting for the right to take back our country from the ones who have degraded it, and bring it back to its former glory is not creepy. It is AMERICAN!


by mageduley on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:13:10 PM EST
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Obama was probably making a joke here. (2.00 / 1)


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:57:47 AM EST
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Its like... (none / 0)

...Obama or somebody in his campaign has watched the movie "The Matrix" tooo many times.


by Alvord on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:31:05 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 4)

"At some point in the evening, a light is going to shine down and you will have an epiphany and you'll say, 'I have to vote for Barack.'"

- Did he really say that ?


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:36:49 AM EST

Apparently, yes... (2.00 / 3)

Say hello to Presidential Candidate Barack "Elmer" Gantry.


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:57:43 AM EST
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Re: Apparently, yes... (none / 0)

Hey, aren't you a little young to make that reference?


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:02:01 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

It was said as a joke by Obama, but apparently Jerome wasn't in on it.

You see, it's called self deprecating humor.

Clearly the word from the high command is to turn the Obama campaign into Scientology.  Jerome, you shill you.

I couldn't find the clip on You tube, but trust me, if he really meant that then I would not have voted for him.


by cswartout on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:00:47 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

hahaha...  what I find hilarious is that anybody thinks Jerome would vote for Barack.

I like to come to this site for a good laugh... Between this post and everybody getting bent out of shape over Todd using the word 'Pimp' jokingly in his title it's quality comedy.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:05:45 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

No doubt, the disdain for Obama drips from Jerome every time he posts.


by Greg The Wisconsin Democrat on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:53:38 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

If I'm not mistake, sometime last week Jerome put up a post saying he was voting for Obama.


by MOBlue on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:21:00 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

You see, it's called " self deprecating humor ".

- Do you know what that word means ?

It might be humor but there is nothing self depreciating about it .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:08:05 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 3)

That picture alone is so damn creepy.  Come on, he's a pol, not Christ.  That quote is awful.  If this is a joke, how in the world is it funny?


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:17:14 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Look up: Casm, Sar.


by Mark Matson on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:20:21 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

It is called manipulating with Photoshop. I put my kids head on a robot too. This is not a real picture from his website...get a grip people. Notice he didn't put up a link? HELLO????


by mageduley on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:20:23 PM EST
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Said as a joke? (none / 0)

Well I must say I'm laughing, as it's so terribly un-funny if meant as a joke.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:38:15 AM EST
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It was a joke (none / 0)

and Jerome knows it.  Fortunately, after the primary the shilling for her will have to stop.


by pg4obama on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 07:24:35 AM EST
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Re: It was a joke (none / 0)

Maybe the Hillary shilling will stop but will the anti-Obama vitriol? I see the RedState sock puppets flocking here to spew Obama hate...it seems to be welcome.


by JoeCoaster on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:27:48 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

is that quote from Obama for real, or just a goof?


by CalDem on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:36:55 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

I found this Columbia Journalism Review article from Jan. 25th.  
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/seeing_ the_light_in_south_caro.php
by MyPOV on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:18:54 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

thanks!


by CalDem on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:54:19 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

Guess none of those other states matter...does Obama take himself this seriously?  That worries me a little bit.


by ejintx on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:37:30 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Did you notice that Iowa and South Carolina aren't hilighted? He's just hilighting his victories from Toesday.


by Nautilator on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:50:42 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Yeah, I know...none of those other Feb. 5 states matter, huh?


by ejintx on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:14:12 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 3)

arrogance (n) 1. Barrack Obama's Personality


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:40:04 AM EST

You are feeling very, very sleepy... (2.00 / 2)

"....You have to vote for Barack.... You have to give all our money to Barack ....."


Nobody's right if everybody's wrong --Stephen Stills "For What It's Worth"
by vj on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:42:49 AM EST

OK, please... (2.00 / 1)

You're freaking me out... And so is Barack. I just hope we don't see Benny Hinn and the ghost of Aimee Semple McPherson descend upon the next Obama campaign rally. ;-)


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:00:00 AM EST
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Re: OK, please... (none / 0)

wait didnt you hear?

it was on MSNBC - they endorsed him!


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:28:09 PM EST
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Re: You are feeling very, very sleepy... (none / 0)

Sweet.  You can donate here.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:02:56 AM EST
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all your money are belong to Barack (none / 0)

n/t


by Imelda Blahnik on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 05:39:23 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

This was a joke by Obama poking fun at himself.


by hawkjt on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:43:37 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 2)

It's one of those things he says in a joking way, so you don't take him too seriously. But he sort of means it. Al Franken would call it kidding on the square.


by OrangeFur on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:45:27 AM EST
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Gag me (2.00 / 3)


by andgarden on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:43:41 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

I sense a trick question.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:45:10 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

I have seen him deliver this line several times..it is a humorous riff about converting undecided voters... Jerome..are you being intellectually honest here?


by hawkjt on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:45:30 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

Actually may be you should be a little more adept at picking up sarcasm .

Not everything in life is a war.

Who do you think Jerome is voting for ?.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:47:12 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

Jerome is entitled to vote for HRC.. he had made it clear he is in her camp. No big deal.


by hawkjt on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:05:06 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 2)

If I wanted to stare at Obama's site, I'd go there. Now I feel dirty.


by India on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:49:06 AM EST

Who will Jerome Vote For (1.16 / 6)

Whomever is paying him the most this time around?

That or who his astrology is suggesting.

Or who's stocks he is being payed to tout.


by ElitistJohn on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:49:34 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Barack at his worst in still better than that schmaltzy "YOU ARE NOT INVISIBLE TO ME" line from HRC.


by animated on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:50:26 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Cue that kid talking to Bruce Willis: "I see poor people."


by OrangeFur on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:23:02 AM EST
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Damn that Obama! (none / 0)

He stole my tagline.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:54:57 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 3)

Yea, though I walk through the shadow of Clinton, I will fear no evil...

Good God, does this guy think he's Jesus? Oh yes, we mustn't have schmaltzy, because everyone who votes is 25 years old and just can't handle an unhip candidate. Christ, some of you Obamabots are so pathetic.


by cc on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:56:32 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

I enjoy your personal brand of politics of destruction.  I wonder if you have a site dedicated to insulting my coworkers, cutting off ties to my family and laughing at my friends when they need help.

This is your idea of the unified democratic party standing against the republicans?  We laugh the conservatives booing McCain then a very vocal crew of people on this this site do the same thing to whoever isn't their candidate.

WHEN YOUR A JET YOU'RE A JET ALL THE WAY!


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:09:53 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 3)

Perhaps if you heard a personal story of how someone came to Obama you'd see the light?


by BDB on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:57:24 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 2)

how can you not feel the creepiness? You are not coming into the fold you are joining a campaign! IT IS WAY CREEPY!  It should not be so easy to draw a comparison between a political campaign and the Moonies; it suggests something fishy about the campaign.

Come back to reason. We are waiting for you.


by hctb on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:08:24 AM EST
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And Obama Wept (2.00 / 1)

I saw a story similar to that a couple of days ago, and it really freaked me out.

Creepy!


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:09:37 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

I have to repeat to myself SCOTUS, SCOTUS, SCOTUS, SCOTUS, SCOTUS and Iran,Iran,Iran,Iran,Iran on a daily basis.


by MOBlue on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:37:55 AM EST
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Your diary (none / 0)

is EXTENDED on my screen.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:00:06 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)


Add

Washington, Lousiana, Nebraska, Maine, Virgin Islands, Maryland, D.C, and Virginia to the list.


by Djneedle83 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:00:43 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

You should take Maine off your list because he ain't winning it.

On Sunday Clinton would win the Maine caucus , you can mark that down .

lol

if i am wrong i'll stop trying to ever make predictions


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:03:49 AM EST
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Did he really say that? (none / 0)

If so... Oh My God!

The whole god like quality of his website is beautiful and scary at the same time.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:02:04 AM EST

Re: Did he really say that? (2.00 / 0)

You should go to it and check out his plans and policy positions.

Why all the hatred for Obama on mydd?
The candidates are not hated enemies, why are the supportes?


by hawkjt on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:08:53 AM EST
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Why (2.00 / 1)

all the hatred for Clinton on DailyKos?

By the way, I do not hate eiether of them. I have always respected both of them even when Edwards was in and I am a big Edwards supporter.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:13:36 AM EST
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Re: Why (2.00 / 1)

Daily Kos: a universal douchebaggery license for every conservative Democrat in the world.


by scvmws on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:24:48 AM EST
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Also (2.00 / 1)

Have you really gone to Hillary Clinton's site to check out her plans and policy positions?

Did you ever do that with John Edwards?


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:16:26 AM EST
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Not to promote an old diary of mine, but... (none / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/7/05829 /30620


by OrangeFur on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:09:09 AM EST
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Oh yes (none / 0)

that diary freaked me out!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:14:22 AM EST
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Re: Oh yes (2.00 / 2)

Yes, but it should have come with a warning. I almost lost my dinner


by cath on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:23:15 AM EST
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Re: Did he really say that? (2.00 / 1)

Change is beautiful and scary.

Come to our side.  It's nice. Come on...  Don't be afraid.  The kool-aide is refreshing.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:12:14 AM EST
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That graphic is (none / 0)

fucking up the front page of MyDD for me. I do not have a wide screen on this comp.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:07:15 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

wow the anti-obama rhetoric is amazing on this site. Will you guys even support him if he is the nominee?


by mecarr on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:09:43 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 3)

I'd imagine a light will shine down and make it clear what we have to do.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:16:26 AM EST
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Have you seen (none / 0)

The new ads and updated info from Hillary Clinton?

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/ ?id=40358

How about the Whoopi video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFtRo3RHp q8


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:11:50 AM EST

Jerome (none / 0)

I really think we should stop demonizes either Barack or Hillary for one of them will be our candidate in the Fall and I suspect they will end up being a ticket of Clinton/Obama.


by puma on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:13:37 AM EST

Re: Jerome (2.00 / 1)

Seriously, it's disappointing that MYDD is making fun of a democratic leader for being inspiring. Who cares if it is a little heavy-handed? It's getting a lot of people involved in the process.


by mecarr on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:17:58 AM EST
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Re: Jerome (none / 0)

Can I have my donation back?


by desmoulins on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:21:35 AM EST
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Re: Jerome (none / 0)

I would prefer to think that "a light is going to shine down" is an arrogant politician kidding on the square (to quote OrangeFur) than heavy-handed inspiring. But given the St. Paulesque conversion stories I think epiphany is meant to be literal.

I've had more than enough of divinely inspired leadership and its followers.


by souvarine on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:33:54 AM EST
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Re: Jerome (none / 0)

I think Jerome is just playing with everybody.  He's an anti Barack guy but he's being playful on this post.  He knows you guys will get all worked up and create a discussion about it.

That's why I'm here.  These comments are entertaining.  I'm not laughing at yours.  Although Barack as the VP would be a bad idea.  I don't want what he represents to become Clintonized (watered down).  Plus he'd be the second VP, next to Bill.

I'm not saying Hillary would be a bad pres.  If he were to lose the nomination he should go back to the senate and lead on some key issues or go for gov or something.  I just don't don't want to put all the eggs in one basket.  I would want him to run again in 8 years and I don't want Hillary's baggage around his neck.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:24:32 AM EST
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Its Friday Night On The Blogs (none / 0)

Good post. You'd think people would click through the link if they didn't get the hint.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:31:53 AM EST
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Re: Its Friday Night On The Blogs (none / 0)

That's a good post?  Hillary's "baggage".  I think it sucks.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:34:41 AM EST
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Re: Its Friday Night On The Blogs (none / 0)

Ah, he had some decent takes, you don't have to agree with everything to see an insight.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:21:07 AM EST
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Re: Its Friday Night On The Blogs (none / 0)

That post was a load of crap


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:35:55 AM EST
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I go back and forth (none / 0)

on whether Obama should take the VP position if he doesn't win the primary.  I have a feeling that HRC will offer him the slot in hopes that he doesn't accept it.

I don't know what the best thing for Obama to do.  Should he stay in the senate for 4-8 more years and all the crap that the senate has or should he accept the VP position knowing full well that he may be tarnished with HRC's taint but it may keep him on the large political stage?

I don't know.  I go back and forth on that.  I have a feeling that if Obama was indeed to take that position and if Clinton/Obama did win in the Fall that Obama could spend most of his time working on Africa projects like trying to heal Kenya, etc and other such endeavors which would give him a little distance from HRC.

I suspect that Obama doesn't even know what he will do either if that position was to come up if he loses.  He is probably just focusing on winning the primary right now and not worrying about it right now.


by puma on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:42:03 AM EST
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Re: I go back and forth (none / 0)

He is probably just focusing on winning the primary right now and not worrying about it right now.

- Ya think


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:46:04 AM EST
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Re: Jerome (none / 0)

Is it any wonder that Clintonistas have no sense of humor?  LOL.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:14:12 AM EST
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Clearly Ron Paul (none / 0)

Jerome i would describe you as a Libertarian above any other political description so... yeah.

Besides that he isn't a democrat... i don't see any other reason why you wouldn't support him.


by MrMacMan on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:01:02 AM EST

Re: Clearly Ron Paul (none / 0)

I used to describe myself as a Green-Libertarian, back in the '90's, and voted for the nut in '88.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:22:53 AM EST
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New Mexico (none / 0)

we're wallowing in the darkness... but that's just because the vote count isn't done yet here and we don't know who won.  They're still counting provisionals.

All part of living in the Land of Enchantment.


New Mexico politics from the local perspective.
by fbihop on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:12:01 AM EST

Morning in America (none / 0)

Did you notice Barack's little sunrise is a "Morning in America" logo?

Oh yes it is.  Reagan all over again.


by Sensible on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:27:19 AM EST

He's poking fun at his critics (none / 0)

Yes, you, the very ones on this blog who think  Obama is trying to create a Messiah myth. And you're so dense you don't even see it.


by SleepingWillow on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 02:56:00 AM EST

Re: He's poking fun at his critics (2.00 / 1)

he's poking fun at those who say his campaign is messianic by ...acting messianic?

i'm not getting the irony.


by CalDem on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:55:25 AM EST
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been saying this for a while... (2.00 / 3)

Barack is religion.

Hillary is science.

One is based on feeling. The other is based on facts.

Or, as the LA Times put it....Barack is a poem. Hillary is an essay.

Gag me. Just tell me who is gonna get us to universal health care and who isn't and I'll tell you who our best advocate in the white house will be.


by Scan on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:46:29 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

I am sorry but this clinches it for me. I thought it was a joke when you had it  up on your website. And then I actually went to his site. This reeks of Christian fundamentalism and cultism- all that is missing is the halo on his head. Shining blue light out of only some states????

As a secular democrat how do I  vote for him now? I think this is almost as scary as Mitt the Mormon.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php


by Bornagaindem on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:21:55 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 2)

Your comment about languishing in darkness is laughable.  And yet a bit sad....because the fate of our country hangs in the balance.  Senator Obama is very uplifting.  However, we don't need a Revival preacher who comes in, throws a out a few platitudes, takes money from the congregation and Moves On.  We need the preacher who builds the church, gets things done and successfully helps the entire church move forward through daily hard work.

America's future should be in the hands of Senator Hillary Clinton.  Everyone please give her your vote for President!


by JerryD on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:31:20 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

And please give her some money.  


by kopards on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:08:54 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

It is appalling that this shallow, silly, mean spirited post is on the front page. It reminds me of Fox and Shuster and Limbaugh. The content is different but the feeling is the same.


by inexile on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:45:30 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 1)

This blog should be called myhrc.  Maybe Jerome still pissed that Warner is not running.

I'm pretty sure Barack was joking about the epiphany comment.

But if you want to talk about arrogant, entitled bullshit, what about the Clintons?  

They're behaving a little better of late not because they've learned anything, but because the polls have told them it doesn't work.

I am one of those progressives whose was very happy at the idea of voting for Hillary in November. Now if Hillary gets the nomination, I don't know what I'll do.

Though I'll doubt she could win against McCain, if she did she would help create another conservative backlash that gave us Bush II.  

With Barack, progressives have an amazing opportunity to change the politics of this country.  If we can't seize this moment, it's our own damn fault.


by maki on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 09:48:47 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

I understand BHO allots more of his finances to polling than HRC.


by bird52 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:38:36 AM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Where is McCain on that list?


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:14:30 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Were I a Democratic strategist, Obama's piss-poor showing in CA, where he was fully resourced, would be of great concern, because it would seem to put the state in play for McCain if O prevails.  Similarly in FLA, where there was a level playing field and O underperformed.

Are we going to let the fact that Michigan and Florida jumped the gun on primary dates determine that Obama will get the nod?


by Bob H on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:18:52 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

I think New York also would be in play with Obama.
-People who live and work near Manhattan landmarks are still terrified about being bombed. I know people in my office still talk about how scared we are that our office is so near Grand Central and that we have to go in there.
- this religious imagery doesn't work as well among New Yorkers as it does in Kansas.
-He still would have some issues of getting excitement out of Gays, Jews, Latinos and catholic voters here.

by maxstar on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:12:55 AM EST
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Barack was not joking! (2.00 / 1)

"I was introduced to Jesus in a way I had never been before. Part of my mission as a politician is to go out and do the Lord's work." (Barack Obama in Macon, Georgia)


by samueldem on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:30:09 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 0)

I never saw anything like the Obama campaign. I don't believe all these second coming of christ references and visuals are working in the Democratic primary. It is like a cult. It doesn't seem American to me. Don't believe this is the party I belong to. I am glad that my Grandparents aren't here to see the the Party of Roosevelt to be taken over by a living God, a reincarnation of all the good parts of every religious and political leader who can heal the nation by force of his personality. He really is a charlatan. I am really scared of this cult leader and the obamamaniacs who follow him.

Anyone who doesn't see a problem with these obviously religious graphics  or the "joke" that he is telling is either being disingenuous or have drunk all the coolaid.


by maxstar on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:32:26 AM EST

Obama was not joking! (2.00 / 1)

http://www.salon.com:80/opinion/greenwal d/2008/01/21/obama/

Barack Obama: "Committed Christian -- Called to Bring Change"

Mike Huckabee has been widely criticized for his overt religious appeals to win votes. One of the most criticized aspects of his campaign was a television ad he ran in Iowa and South Carolina pointedly describing himself as a "Christian leader":

Today, Greg Sargent posted a brochure which the Obama campaign is distributing in South Carolina which seem to include religious appeals at least as overt and explicit as anything Huckabee has done. The center page of the brochure proclaims -- in the largest letters on the page -- that Obama is a "COMMITTED CHRISTIAN," and includes three pictures of Obama, all of which show him praying or preaching in a Church, and also includes a fourth picture: of the interior of a Church with a large cross lurking in the background. The page also says that Obama is "guided by his Christian faith" and quotes Obama saying: "We do what we do because God is with us."

That same page prints Obama's views "on the power of prayer," and -- using the same language George Bush has frequently used as a signifier to evangelical voters -- says that Obama is "Called to Christ," "Called to Bring Change" and "Called to Serve"

I am afraid for the Democratic Party.


by samueldem on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:36:29 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

If this quote is for real - doesn't it suggest that Obama is laughing at his supporters - he knows he's duped them and it's quite a thing to behold?

But if it's not for real - it kind of hits the nail on the head of this messianic obsession with the candidate from Illinois who no one ever heard of until he ran for Senate.  


by suskin on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:38:24 AM EST

Obama was not joking! (none / 0)

The always interesting James Wolcott writes that "perhaps it's my atheism at work but I found myself increasingly wary of and resistant to the salvational fervor of the Obama campaign, the idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria. I can picture President Hillary in the White House dealing with a recalcitrant Republican faction; I can't picture President Obama in the same role because his summons to history and call to hope seems to transcend legislative maneuvers and horse-trading; his charisma is on a more ethereal plane, and I don't look to politics for transcendence and self-certification."

Then there's MSNBC's Chris Matthews who tells Felix Gillette in the New York Observer, "I've been following politics since I was about 5. I've never seen anything like this. This is bigger than Kennedy. [Obama] comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."

And behold, Obama met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.


by samueldem on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:43:35 AM EST

If Obama wins ... (none / 0)

...what will be the punishment for those of us that did not support him? Religious fanatics are not known to be generous to nonbelievers.


by Alvord on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:13:18 AM EST
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Re: Please (2.00 / 0)

Its probably just the hyperboles stuck in the back of your throat.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:12:36 AM EST

Re: Please (none / 0)

;)


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:35:32 PM EST
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How his follower talk about conversion (none / 0)

Here is a link that I just got from corrente. It talks about having obama people talk about conversion  rather than policy. It is the kind of people stories that Gurumaya and Muktananda would have their cult members tell in south fallsburgh. (I was always too scared to speak.) This is going far beyond politics

http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/649427.h tml


by maxstar on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:40:55 AM EST

Re: The Ones (2.00 / 2)

What is wrong with some of you?  Barack Obama is running a clean consistent and inspiring campaign.  An honorable one at that.  

When he has made "attacks" they have been fair and above-board. The same cannot be said for all of HRC's and her surrogates.

Bashing Barack, I assume is a sign of insecurity or fear, and I can't blame you.  HRC has $$ problems, and should have had this wrapped up long ago.

But that is NO reason to lambast or villify Barack or his supporters.

I am a reasonable dude, but this dude will not abide.


by a gunslinger on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:54:24 AM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

And I'm sure you're qualified to make an unbiased assessment about who has made more attacks. I don't think any of us are dude.


by Dari on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:51:30 PM EST
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Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Unfortunately he wasn't speaking to the thousands/millions of folks that weren't in the room when he said that.  Otherwise your snark would be spot on.


by Inquisitive on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:55:02 PM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

I've been joking with some of my friends that if we are the one's we've been waiting for, we should all be running against him.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:58:39 PM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

I thought that screen shot was a joke but after a visit to the BO website I see it's not.  and that article about how his volunteers are told not to talk about policy but to give conversion stories, well it made my flesh crawl so badly I'm still chasing it around the room.  please, reasonable obama supporters, is this really about personality over policy?  I might entertain voting for Barak if he got up in front of his legions of young supporters and told them why mandates on health insurance are important and why they shouldn't buy ipods and shoud pay for coverage because they're not immortal, society benefits and all our costs are shared.  or if he got up in front of his legions of young supporters and told them that social security is not in crisis and it will be there for them and there's nothing wrong with the system that fiscal discipline won't resolve and that raising social security taxes is just paying off smirk's tax cuts without raising income taxes on the rich.  or if he wouldn't pretend (or worse yet believe) the rethugs are going to drop their long held objections to any progressive policy proposals and skip off into the sunset behind his great leadership.  face it, he's a doesn't speak truth to power, seems to thrive on his cult of personality and is anything but a brave progressive.  by the way, these caucuses are so unfair to hillary supporters.  you tell me how a working person, a nurse or service sector employee is supposed to get two hours away from their job at a given time?  or where they're supposed to park their kids on a Saturday afternoon?  and as far as money, richie rich obama liberals have it coming out of the pieholes.  the rest of us, not so much.  so when we send our ten or twenty to Hillary, we're digging deep.


by joker on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:16:09 PM EST

one last shot (none / 0)

Let's get rid of the nutty third option first.  To not choose one of these two in the most exciting and historic primary contest in American history and the de facto next President, would be cowardly.  In 30 years, what are you going to tell people, your grand kids?  I chose neither?

I'll let others make a closing argument for HRC.  There is a case to be made.  

The simple reason that you should vote for Obama is that the campaign he has built is the better representative of this:  Crashing the Gate.  

They have pushed the outside of the envelope on structures that you and Moulitsas pioneered.  Although the campaign centers around Obama himself and not the Democratic brand (for the 1,000th time, whatever that is), it is our argument that he had to do this to consolidate different and highly varied interests to be in a position to topple the Clinton grip on the party machinery and people's awareness and then get elected in the Fall.  But the money and energy in this campaign is from the bottom up, from us.  His message and talent is the inspiration for this.  He has asked for our vote and our money and more important, our activism.  We have given it to him.  That's a beautiful thing.

I appreciate that you're disappointed that they didn't allow the netroots deeper into the campaign.  But the netroots have not yet proven to be a reliable partner because it is not controllable.  This is the netroots greatest asset and its biggest curse. The netroots has proven itself as a platform and in agitation but will it ever have a role in governance?  

Obama is farther left than Clinton overall (if only a bit) and will at least give the netroots a seat at the table.  You have to figure out how to take it from there.  The growing large majority of your own MyDD readers (per the last straw poll), Move-on, Moulitsas and even the nettlesome Stoller have settled on Obama.  Not to mention and most likely: Howard Dean, Joe Trippi, Al Gore and John Edwards.  How do you explain that?

From a practical and business point of view, you don't have to tell us how you voted.  Al Gore and Jimmy Carter haven't told us.  It was a smart business move to allow MyDD to evolve into a more balanced blog and to provide some outlet for Clinton supporters that isn't an echo chamber.  Not only that, the Clinton camp can make a powerful argument for their candidate (and one that isn't solely based on attacking Obama) and this should be respected.

Finally, which candidate do you think about the most?  You can ankle bite Obama from the left for the next nine years.  Krugman at The New York Times and you from the netroots.  I'd be willing to bet anyone a dollar that Krugman voted for Obama.  There is uncertainty about whether Obama's methods will work.  But an Obama administration won't be boring, tiresome or repetitive.  It will be new and that's exciting.  The bottom line is that Clinton is a good and historic choice, a safe choice.  Obama is a potentially great and historic choice, an audacious choice.  

Look at what Obama has created in one short year.  He has earned your vote.        

 


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:54:19 PM EST

Re: The Ones (none / 0)

Grand kids = grandkids..... Christ! Can we just learn to use the English language.


by ecophem on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 08:58:47 PM EST


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