A Call Out to the LGBT Community

Our voice needs to be heard as much as any other minority group in the upcoming election. I get really scared when I hear, over and over again, that Senator Obama refuses to have his picture with any openly gay individual or supporter (most notably Gavin Newsroom). We as a community must band together and stand behind the person who will take her picture with anyone and stand up for everyone: Senator Hillary Clinton.

Please go to the following link: http://www.nlgja.org/newyork.htm
In March there will be a huge fundraiser with prominent members of our community in attendance. We cannot just sit by and hope for the best.
We have never been passive before - now is not the time to start.

Start emailing major LGBT organizations to get behind Senator Clinton. With her in the Whitehouse, our voices WILL be heard!

Or, the alternative, someone who wants to ammend the Constitution of the United States to be in line with "God's Standards"!



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I think the LGBT group is solidly behind Clinton

At least i am


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:40:50 PM EST

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Hillary won LGBT voters 60-25 in California.  Interestingly, in NY she only won by a 59-36 margin, not much different from her overall margin in the state.

I'm not sure if they asked the LGBT question in any other states.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:59:31 PM EST
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Could you provide a link to the source for these figures. They sound about right, but would like to know more about how we voted. Thanks


by DaleA on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:49:12 PM EST
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I got them from the exit polls at CNN.com.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:54:40 PM EST
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LGBT NOT behind Clinton (2.00 / 0)

First, Gavin Newsom is not gay, openly or otherwise. Secondly, every gay person I know is supporting Obama. Why would we support a team the signed DOMA into law?


by sam2300 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:49:09 PM EST

Re: LGBT NOT behind Clinton (none / 0)

Obama lost me with Donnie McClurkin.  Sorry, but that's a deal breaker for me.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:44:30 PM EST
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Doesn't this community have a ton of disposable income? How about breaking with some cash and donating to Clinton today?  


by LakersFan on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:49:44 PM EST

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they do at least in NY


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:34:03 PM EST
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Re: My friend had his picture taken with Obama (none / 0)

Well, unless your friend is Mayor of a city which broke substantial ground in extending gay marriage, gaining a great deal of notoriety in the process, I don't think Obama taking (or refusing to take) a picture with your friend is the same as taking (or refusing to take) a picture with Gavin Newsom.


by markjay on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:52:14 PM EST

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"I get really scared when I hear, over and over again, that Senator Obama refuses to have his picture with any openly gay individual (most notably Gavin Newsroom)."

False, as noted above.  Obama regularly appears with LGBT folks and voices his support for gay rights -- and I'm not aware of ANY meaningful difference between his positions on LGBT rights and Clinton's.  (Also, Newsom is not gay.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.....)

"Start emailing major LGBT organizations to get behind Senator Clinton. With her in the Whitehouse, our voices WILL be heard!"  

How is Hillary better than Obama on LGBT issues, again?

"Or, the alternative, someone who wants to ammend the Constitution of the United States to be in line with "God's Standards"!"

Wow.  That's Mike Huckabee's line, not Obama's by any stretch.

To think that some Hillary supporters believe that they are the only ones suffering brutal, false attacks from deranged Obama supporters.  


by Bluebeard on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:52:49 PM EST

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Also, Obama is the ONLY candidate on either side who has actually voiced the words "gay brothers and sisters" and called for equal rights for gay people. Clinton has been remarkable tight-lipped on the subject.


by sam2300 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:10:49 PM EST

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Actually, Clinton has frequently spoken out about her concerns over young gay teenagers and their epidemic-level of suicide.

Further, see this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZs3nCIj sE

I think it is a beautiful testament of Hillary Clinton's values.


by DrCarolyn on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:27:19 PM EST
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Obama will NEVER be my "brother".


by DrCarolyn on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:51:06 PM EST
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That's very open-minded of you.


by sam2300 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:00:33 PM EST
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Wow, that's not even close to being true. Clinton has not been tight lipped about her support for our community.  Just last weeks she addressed the issues of gay youths.  Do you have any idea what you're talking about?


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:46:15 PM EST
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I don't quite understand this diary.  We are encouraged to follow the link to the fundraiser.  To my knowledge the fundraiser has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.  Has the National Lesbian & Gay Journalists Association endorsed Hillary??

I did not realize Gavin Newsome was gay.  If so, he is certainly going to be a handsome magnet for his city.

If the choice is so obvious to LGBT voters - why did the Human Rights Campaign inform gay voters that the positions of Edwards, Obama and Clinton are all rather similar and acceptable?  

I am not certain of my choice of candidates, but this kind of diatribe diary makes me less inclined to choose Hillary.    


by TheProf2222 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:16:25 PM EST

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You missed the point.  I would like to call on the LGBT community, my community, to press major organizations to get behind Hillary Clinton.  If you have any doubt on her stance on LGBT issues, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZs3nCIj sE

by DrCarolyn on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:31:35 PM EST
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And Gavin Newsome is not gay, but is a huge supporter of gay rights.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:46:57 PM EST
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Re: A Call Out to the LGBT Community (2.00 / 1)

Hillary and Obama are equal when it comes to the most important gay rights issues - neither openly supports marriage equality.  If you want to distinguish the two candidates on the issues, you'll have to look elsewhere because the suggestion that Hillary would be a better advocate for gay people is a total fabrication.  


by ruskin on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:22:48 PM EST

Re: A Call Out to the LGBT Community (2.00 / 1)

I wish the Obamabots could just leave some things alone. I am so tired of having to constantly hear the same drivel.

I am gay and I do not know any gay person who is supporting Obama, not after Mcclurkin.

Not to mention, Hillary doesn't need to say "gay brothers and sisters". She is not a preacher-in-chief. She has simply said, in speech after speech, that everyone in this contry deserves the same rights and respect no matter who they are or who they love.

That's all I needed to hear.


by americanincanada on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:25:47 PM EST

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I wish the Clintonobots would just leave things alone. To suggest she holds any special advantage over Obama when it comes to gay rights is bulls**t.


by sam2300 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:28:29 PM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZs3nCIj sE


by DrCarolyn on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:36:26 PM EST
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What's your point? The fact that her father died not hating gays hardly speaks to anything she would do regarding policy in the White House. The Clinton "team" passed DOMA into law, remember.


by sam2300 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:38:11 PM EST
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What the other video...and listen closely to the speeches...geez...

Not to mention she has marched in pride parades. In fact she was the very first, and only to my knowledge, sitting first lady to ever do so. She has continued that in her senate career.

Has Obama ever marched with us? has he ever actually said the words, "being gay is NOT immoral?" Hillary has.


by americanincanada on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:48:18 PM EST

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Has Obama come out with any plan to help the LGBT community?  Show me!

Here is yet another example from Hillary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4akuLhj1u Zk


by DrCarolyn on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:49:23 PM EST

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I'm more concerned about actions when it counts. Team Clinton enacted DOMA into law.

Here's Obama's record:

Barack Obama voted against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.

Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Barack Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and believes it should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity.


by sam2300 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:57:00 PM EST
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She does not associate herself or her campaign with 'exgays'. Which says it all for me.


by DaleA on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:51:19 PM EST

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Really? That says it all? You don't care that she voted for the war in which thousand of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed and maimed -- based on NOTHING??????

You don't care that she has more lobbyist money than any candidate Republican or Democrat?

You based your whole decision on whether or not she hangs out with ex-gays. Great. No wonder our country is in such trouble.


by sam2300 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:24:48 PM EST
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This is my line in the sand. The one thing I will not accept from any candidate is 'change' therapy and 'exgays'.


by DaleA on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:48:35 PM EST
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Re: Thanks for the reminder... (2.00 / 1)

to write the orgs and remind them NOT to support Clinton.

DOMA
Don't Ask Don't Tell

I've had enough of the Clintons.

At least Obama is honest about his position.  The Clintons just use us.

Fortunately my large community of LGBT friends feels generally the same - nearly all support Obama or formerly Edwards.


Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
by passionateprogressive on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:04:11 PM EST

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Obama is honest about his position?  How is mouthing support for gay rights at the same time you are campaigning with openly homophobic, self-hating ex-gays being honest?


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:49:27 PM EST
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A friend of mine makes a point that I think is very insightful. Barack Obama raises the specter of the LGBT community to score political points with straight people. When he says "gay rights" in a speech, it's meant to make people think, "Wow, if he's even willing to mention them, then of course he will look out for me." Whereas Hillary Clinton speaks directly to us and directly addresses our concerns.

There was a time when I would have considered supporting Obama, but I can't forget the McClurkin fiasco and Obama's non-apology.


by bryannyc on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:29:02 PM EST

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Huh?  You don't like it that he refers to "gay rights" in his speeches?

You'd prefer that he didn't?!

No, of course you wouldn't.  If he didn't call for gay rights, you'd attack him for being less progressive than Hillary.  He can't win by not calling for calling for gay rights, and, for you, even him calling for gay rights is just part of some evil plot.

Someone please help the Hillary supporters who have lost all ability to reason.  


by Bluebeard on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:57:21 PM EST
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Re: A Call Out to the LGBT Community (none / 0)

I didn't "attack" Obama in my post but you certainly attacked me. Who's being unreasonable?


by bryannyc on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:47:01 PM EST
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If you think it's reasonable to say that Obama has some secret pretext for calling for gay rights, and that Hillary calling for gay rights is somehow superior to Obama doing exactly the same thing, there's no hope to reason with you.

He can't win with you for calling for gay rights, and he surely can't win with you for not calling for gay rights.

It's your vote -- do what you want.  But you can't really complain about the fact that it makes no sense....


by Bluebeard on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:21:59 PM EST
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Re: A Call Out to the LGBT Community (none / 0)

I appreciate your permission to vote for who I wish. Forgive me, but I already voted in my state's primary. Perhaps next time I should consult you for permission before I vote?

As a gay New Yorker I know what Hillary Rodham Clinton has done to advance LGBT rights -- a lot --  and my opinion is that she's the best candidate for our community. I also admire her for other reasons. Reasonable people can of course disagree, and each person should vote their own conscience. I did.

Some of us have been badly hurt in our lives just because of who we are and who we love. In my opinion, ministers who preach the "ex-gay" message are among the cruelest, most divisive people in our society. For Barack Obama to associate his campaign with a prominent ex-gay minister tells me that I don't belong under the big tent that he says he is building for all of us.

The Republicans in 2004 used the specter of the LGBT community to galvanize their base. Four years later, it is certainly a sign of progress that Barack Obama publicly supports gay rights. In fact, I am very pleased that most of the Democratic presidential candidates in this cycle have been on record as supporting certain key laws that the LGBT community needs.

My point in my previous comment was that, while Barack Obama is willing to publicly say "I support gay rights," he has not supported the LGBT community behind the scenes in the way that Hillary Rodham Clinton has.

I'd be happy to expand on this if you are still interested. But I will not be told that I should be happy with something that I know is insufficient, and I will not be silenced by someone who diminishes my experience and my opinion simply because it is hard to understand.


by bryannyc on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:47:31 PM EST
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I completely agree with your reply.  Of interest, if you go to Google images, you can come up with several pictures of Senator Clinton marching in pride parades.  I have yet to come across even one of Senator Obama doing the same.


by DrCarolyn on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:02:38 PM EST
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Do you want me to send you the picture of me and my partner with Barack Obama?  That's the most absurd comment I've ever heard, and if you're not careful, Hillary will lose my vote if she wins the nomination.  These fabricated lies are only going to hurt everyone in the long run.  Wasn't it the Clintons that signed DOMA into law?  Wasn't it Bill Clinton that signed don't ask don't tell into law?  


by jimalbe on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:19:21 PM EST

YOU know what I am sick of???? (none / 0)

Obama supporters threatening to not support Hillary in the general election.  That is unbelievably foolish.  You would change your vote because you were offended by somebody's comments on the internet????


Hillary/Obama 2008
by Sandy1938 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:42:30 PM EST
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"The Clintons" didn't sign anything into law. Do you know how it works? DOMA was a bad piece of legislation but it was not entirely Clinton's fault and not at all Hillary's fault.

As far as "Don't ask, Don't tell"...please...Bill Clinton tied but was never going to be able to fight the republican machine at that time. Anyone alive and of voting age at that time knew it. it sucks but it is a fact. He did what he had to do and what he thought at the time was a fair compromise. How it was administered later is a travesty. BY THE WAY, Hillary Clinton has never supported it and has been very vocel about that fact for years.

Just because you have a picture of you and your partner with Obama doesn't mean a damn thing to me. I want to know what he intends to do for the LGBT community. *crickets*


by americanincanada on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:45:08 PM EST


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