The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay

So much for my theory that it isn't a particularly terrible sign that Hillary Clinton lent her campaign $5 million last month. Here's Mark Halperin:

*** Page Exclusive: Some Clinton Senior Staff Working Without Pay ***

SOURCE: THEY HAVE "VOLUNTARILY CHOSEN TO WORK WITHOUT PAY THIS MONTH" AS PART OF CLINTON CASH CRUNCH AGAINST OBAMA MOOLA FACTORY

Includes campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle (formatting original)

There's not a particularly great way of spinning this news (if it is in fact news and can be verified). Certainly it has been the case that campaigns have gone through financial crunches from which they were eventually able to emerge successful. The campaigns of both John Kerry in 2004 and John McCain this presidential come to mind. Yet at the same time, it's hard to think of a campaign in the past successfully weathering a situation in which senior staff are forgoing pay to save money this late in the cycle. I suppose one could argue that it's a sign of renewed confidence -- the candidate herself loaning big money to the campaign, and the campaign leadership being willing to invest their own money by forgoing pay -- but that doesn't instill much confidence either. This could be the beginning of a tough news cycle for team Clinton.



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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 1)

wow...just wow... implosion? they really were  betting it all on the 5th


by Soltare on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:30:55 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 1)

The media is going to kill Hillary's campaign. I said it in 2006, it won't be Edwards, or Obama, or Gore that brings Clinton down, it will be the media.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:30:58 PM EST

if she can't survive the media onslaught (2.00 / 2)

in the primaries, she probably wouldn't be able to survive the media onslaught against McCain.

If she can get through this next month, she should be well-positioned to win TX and OH, based on the states' demographics.

Sure looks like she shouldn't have spent $37 million or whatever it was on her Senate re-election campaign against a joke opponent. She could have transferred a lot of that money to her presidential race.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:33:06 PM EST
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Re: if she can't survive the media onslaught (none / 0)

Well here is the thing. Clinton has proven sustainability. Obama has 80% positive media coverage yet lost the popular vote? Please. A majority of the media coverage of Hillary Clinton was negative. 70%+ of the coverage of Bill Clinton was negative. So Clinton has proven her sustainability.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:44:01 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 2)

I don't see how it's the medias fault that the Clinton campaign either spent its money foolishly and/or failed to set up a good infrastructure for ongoing fund raising.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong --Stephen Stills "For What It's Worth"
by vj on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:33:32 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 2)

this is all her fault..
entirely.

mark penn isn't worth 4 million.


by Soltare on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:40:16 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

You completely missed the point. You don't need money to win. Huckabee can vouch for that. What you need is good media to get your message through. Last fall the media coronated Clinton and she hit 50% in an 8-man race. She stumbled in a debate and she fell 10%+. It's all media. Any fool can see that.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:41:34 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

We'll see.


by souvarine on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:43:40 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 1)

Obama's winning on organization. It's Hillary's fault for not focusing on the small states and caucuses and organization. Her campaign blew it.


by Progressive America on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:44:17 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

I will give him that. He organized in small states. But running big margins in states Clinton did not compete in does not show anything for me.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:46:50 PM EST
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Wait, wait (none / 0)

I thought Clinton was the one with the machine.


by Radiowalla on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:59:22 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 1)

Yeah. Has nothing to do with the enthusiasm that voters have for Barack Obama. The $32 million he raised last month was clearly media-fueled. Has nothing to do with him bringing new voters into the party. Nope. It's just the media.


Further Reading
by Dave Sund on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:45:17 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (1.00 / 0)

I did not say it was "just the media." Get the POINT before you start accusing people. GET IT RIGHT!


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:47:33 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

It was roughly a tie yesterday in the popular vote, each getting more than 7,000,000 votes. I'd say that those donations translated into votes quite noticeably.


by DPW on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:56:50 PM EST
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It's a flying DeLorean! (none / 0)

Am I timewarped back to December of 2003?

Let's check the scoreboard -- NOOOOO.... I see quite a few pledged delegates and lots of wins up on the old Obama scoreboard.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:44:56 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Since SC how much media has Huck had? He had those asshole robocallers I guess but they weren't media.


by MNPundit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:42:11 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Quite so. Loads of media people were saying a vote for Huck is a vote for McCain, I'd hardly call that good press.


by Mullibok on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:11:10 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

You calling me a fool? lol.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong --Stephen Stills "For What It's Worth"
by vj on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:43:11 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 1)

She lent her campaign $5 million of her own money in January and she is about to give it another $5 million out of her own pocket.

Obama raised $32 million in January to her $14 million.

Obama wan 14 states to her 8 yesterday..  And it appears the final count on elected delegates (not including super delegates) shows he still maintains his lead in delegates.

When you look at the map and the schedule, it is hard to see how she wins a single primary or caucus before March 4.  He will sweep the mountain states, the northwest, the corn belt, and the south.

We may be watching the beginning of the death spiral of the Clinton campaign.


Health care is a human right
by Helenann on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:44:36 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 1)

Oh. Well. How brilliant! Our inspirational candidate will win the nomination outspending money, utilizing MSM and attacking Hillary with Republican talking points. Oh, wait. Did i mention that he did not win any core democratic states? Even better!


by praxis1 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:52:17 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

But those Democratic states will still be Democratic in the general Election.  He picked up new states that Hillary will not be able to.


by ktmnyny on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:33:24 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Do you really think that Obama "picked up" Kansas, Utah and Idaho? You're suggesting he would win those states in the GE?


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:16:08 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Twice as many Dems voted in those primaries than Republicans.  It looks very possible, yes.


Health care is a human right
by Helenann on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:19:25 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Um, OK.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:23:48 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

You mind is stuck in the 90's.

A new paradigm is emerging.  Old formulas don't apply.


Health care is a human right
by Helenann on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:33:03 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

New paradigm? Old formulas don't apply?

I don't think it is Denny who is stuck in the '90s.


by souvarine on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:56:55 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

If the same proportion of Dems to Rethugs in those states vote in November, then the Dems will win those states. It's not unreasonable to believe that this could happen.


by Weirdsmobile on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:19:00 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

I wasn't suggesting that implicitly.  But I know enough Republicans that will never vote for McCain, but would vote for Obama.  The votes in these states could suggest that very possibility.


by ktmnyny on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:35:15 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

I meant to say that the recent results could suggest that very possibility.


by ktmnyny on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:37:06 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Ilove when people claim that Obama winning a certain state in the democratic primary proves he can win red states. Hello, its a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY...some democrat has to pick up the state.

The problem has never been democrats not picking up democrats in these states, the problem has always been battling the heavy amounts of republicans in these red states. Both candidates are turning out new voters/the democrats desire to win is turning out new voters. Obama winning Kansas means about as much as if Clinton wins Texas.


by world dictator on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:41:59 PM EST
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Re: Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing (none / 0)

As I see it, the argument is that Dems are turning out in big numbers in proportion to Repubs in those states, meaning that if the same numbers of each party turn out in November, we'll win those states.

So I guess the central issue is whether or not it is specifically Obama who is driving the increased turnout. One could argue either way. If it is, then that's a big point for Obama. If not, then it's GREAT news for Democrats in general because we have a very good chance of winning those states provided turnout remains strong and the proportion of Dems to Repubs is the same.

Of course, if it IS Obama and he doesn't win the nomination, then we're screwed.

So it's a Win-Win situation...but ONLY if Obama is the nominee! ;-)


by Weirdsmobile on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:38:35 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 1)

Nothing is written in stone.

But Hillary has a 16 year advantage of name ID to go on. That counts for more than even I knew.

I have been working on the Obama campaign (for free) and I have constantly dealing with people who had literally no concept of who Obama was.  And this was two weeks before the primary. I am not complaining: It is simply the lay of the land.  I was shocked how many people did not know who he was other than he was other than to say the black guy running against Hillary. Name ID is a much larger hurdle than I ever imagined.

But to try and describe Hillary as being at a disadvantage is simply preposterous. She has been working toward this moment for over 8 years now. She is the Senator from NY and the wife of a 2 term President.  

And as for the core democratic states, you simply prove my point. Name ID and institutional support go a long way for folks in blue states to pull the lever for the favorite. They will support our nominee, be it Clinton or Obama in the fall.


by cswartout on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:39:47 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 1)

WTF, what about Illinois and MN?


by MNPundit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:45:06 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Minnesota is the very definition of a core Democratic state. And Obama won it overwhelmingly.


Further Reading
by Dave Sund on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:52:38 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

I thought Delaware, Illinois, and Connecticut were "core Democratic states"- to say nothing of purple states like Iowa, Missouri, and Colorado.


by AC4508 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:53:31 PM EST
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No wait didnt they read the posts here, (none / 0)

You know winning.

Isnt she winning and all that?

Isn't this 'tie' going to boost her all the way to Denver?


by inexile on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:44:46 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Now the media will spin this terribly. Just read this diary. The beginning of a tough news cycle for team Clinton? What cycle? Do you know more smear attacks to come which we do not know yet? Has Hillary ever had any "good" news cycle?


by praxis1 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:47:06 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Has Hillary ever had any "good" news cycle?

Not since last fall when she hit 50% in all the polls.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:48:57 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Do your research. Still MSM was asking for "alternatives". The theme was "how to stop Hillary".


by praxis1 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:57:11 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

This was before her bad debate performance when the MSM called it "Hillary to lose" or basically "President Hillary Clinton."


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:11:13 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 1)

I think she needs good news for a good news cycle.

Damn the luck, huh?


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:46:56 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

there is a lot they can do to boos their low dollar fundraising.  Frankly, I am surprised at that.

I knew enough to log on and give Hillary money last night, but many people should be asked.

Where was the email declaring victory and asking for money?

I have given 4 times now and I have yet to get a single electronic or printed follow up solicitation.


by rcipw on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:49:59 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

That's weird. That brings up another point - Obama gets to use Kerry's email lists. I gave to Kerry last year, so I've been getting a lot of Obama solicitations. I finally clicked the link to have myself taken off the list.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong --Stephen Stills "For What It's Worth"
by vj on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:53:44 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

I haven't gotten any requests for money, either.  She had my e-mail address, from when I e-mailed her and told her war on Iraq would be a big mistake.  She's sent me occasional e-mails since, but no requests for money.


by randym77 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:12:56 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Yeah.  I have been on her list since the 2000 campaign and get some campaign emails, but not any solicitations.


by rcipw on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:15:42 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

really? i get those dumbass e-mails once a day.


by Soltare on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:17:32 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

I'm on her list and I got an e-mail at 2:55 PM for her $3 million in 3 days fundraiser. So far, she has rasied $1.3 million of that.

The e-mail title was "Huge." I also got an "Early Returns" e-mail, but no victory e-mail from her.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:27:26 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

If I was a Clinton supporter I would be outraged by that. No follow up at all?

I have given to Obama's campaign 3 times now (usually only $100) and I get a thank you and I am sent campaign emails on a regular, but not annoying basis. In fact this afternoon, I receieved an email detailing Hillary's loan to her campaign in a fundraising pitch.

They need to work on that. It could be part of their fundraising anemia  (as compared to Obama) these days.


by cswartout on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:43:53 PM EST
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And that's the key (none / 0)

Internet fundraising doesn't just "start".

It grows and gets cultivated.  HRC is going to have a REALLY tough time getting people to open their wallets during the first week of Feb.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:50:46 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

To clarify -- I get a thank you immediately each time.  Just no follow up solicitation.


by rcipw on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:12:18 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

I got a "thank you" email from Clinton last night. And a "we have more work to do" email today. And I contributed (for the first time).


by LakersFan on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:08:45 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

That's odd.  I get them all the time.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:17:30 PM EST
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Newsflash (none / 0)

Obama has raised $4.1 million since last night and is well on his way to breaking $30 million again in January.

How long with the staff work without pay and how long can she keep funding her own campaign.  We will have to start calling her Romney-lite!


Health care is a human right
by Helenann on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:22:35 PM EST
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30 million in February? (none / 0)

He'll do a lot better than that. People will pour money into his campaign as long as there is a horse race with HRC. Look for $50 million by the end of Feb. The Clinton machine is about to get pummeled.


by mapantsula on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:39:29 PM EST
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Re: 30 million in February? (2.00 / 1)

That's the spirit.


by souvarine on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:00:22 PM EST
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Re: The Page: (none / 0)

I see it as an excuse to let 527's go to work.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:50:46 PM EST

Please Please Please Please (none / 0)

I hope so.

I'm already staking out registration sites and I've got a cross-referenced spreadsheet of online focused HRC donors and big bundlers --- much of this going back to the days of trying to crack the identity of the Hillaryis44.org proprietors.

Funding a 527 is MUCH harder to hide than a $40 URL registration through an anonymous host.

HRC supporters fund a 527 -- I promise you -- all gloves off.  You think Boratgate was below the belt?

Heh... Team Clinton funds a 527 and I guarantee there's no way she can win a general election.  She'll be irrevocably damaged.  


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:54:54 PM EST
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Re: Please Please Please Please (none / 0)

Well, if it uses either Rezko or Obama's voting record in the IL senate it could sink him. Won't matter who funded it after the whole country is talking about how Obama voted putting sex shops next to schools or to keep sexual abuse victims from sealing their records.

Besides, with Robert Gibbs on his team, what can Obama do? Whine and say it's not fair? Or scream about how it's racist? Remember Gibbs was the one that ran the Dean/Osama ad 4 years ago.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:32:49 PM EST
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Re: Please Please Please Please (none / 0)

You're funny. Who said Boratgate was below the belt? All I saw was that it was stupid, that's why it sank like a stone.

I do wish, though, that Clinton would actually try to damage Obama. You guys obviously have no limits, but for some reason she does not want to take Obama down that way.


by souvarine on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:04:40 PM EST
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According to Real Clear Politics (none / 0)

Clinton 1012, Obama 933

Clinton is almost halfway from the nomination at this point, needing 2,025 to clinch the GE berth.

So it's almost like she's starting over from scratch, putting together a strategy to get over the finish line.

Makes sense to me!


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:50:56 PM EST

Yeah (2.00 / 1)

The Rudy strategy...

Everyone work for free -- and we'll see you in a month.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:56:07 PM EST
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Re: According to Real Clear Politics (none / 0)

I find it pathetic that the Clinton campaign includes the superdelegates in these counts.  There are still 100'2 who have not declared and most of the one's that did, did it before SC.

If you look at actual ELECTED DELEGATES (hey what a concept), he is still ahead.


Health care is a human right
by Helenann on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:23:56 PM EST
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Re: According to Real Clear Politics (none / 0)

It's not just the Clinton campaign, it's every news org out there....


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:25:48 PM EST
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holding out until March 4 (none / 0)

If she can get through this month without too much of a delegate deficit, she should be in excellent position to win Texas and possibly Ohio.

One problem is that Texas has so many media markets, TV ads will be difficult to produce on a tight budget.

And if Florida and Michigan caucus, I still think she gets at least Florida.  It's not over yet.


by mikelow1885 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:51:54 PM EST

The other problem is momentum (2.00 / 1)

While she's waiting for March 4, Obama's racking up wins. If he doesn't develop a substantial lead in delegates, he may very well pick up a winning aura. Perceptions are important too.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong --Stephen Stills "For What It's Worth"
by vj on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:55:23 PM EST
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Re: holding out until March 4 (none / 0)

Its way not over. Now that I know even Clintons need money I went out and contributed prior to this I thought they did not need it. So I am pretty sure they are getting boatloads today.


by bayareasg on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:57:07 PM EST
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Re: holding out until March 4 (none / 0)

THe provlem is the margins by which they win.

The only state that she got by a 20% Margin was Arkansas, her home state. In most states she won, she got between 50-57% of the vote.  Hardly overwhelming victories in the 8 states she won.

On the other hand, Obama beat her by 20 points or more in 9 of the 14 states he won.

I don't think there is any question he has the momentum with voters and with individual donors.

I just don't see how Hillary remains competitive.


Health care is a human right
by Helenann on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:31:26 PM EST
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527s (none / 0)

That is a good point about 527s.

There are a lot of very deep pocketed Clinton supporters who will be ready to write checks to keep her message on the air.


by rcipw on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:54:12 PM EST

I'm fairly sure (1.50 / 2)

527s can only run issue ads... This means they pretty much have to be attack ads.

527 funders aren't especially hard to track down either.

If a - or a group of - HRC funders or bundlers tries to fund a 527.... her career as a democrat will be OVER.

It will be slash and burn time.  We'll have 24-7 of Vince Foster and Mark Rich -- because running a 527 against someone from her own party means we're tossing ALL the rules out the door.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:59:42 PM EST
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Re: I'm fairly sure (none / 0)

I'm with you.

No way -- NO CHANCE -- that a Dem. contributes to a 527 that slashes Obama and wants to avoid becoming a pariah in the Dem. Party.

From their perspective (unions, etc..), jeebus:  I mean, why if you are a contributor would you do that unless you were 100% certain you would win.

And no one is that stupid.  And no one is that stupid to contribute millions for such a cause.


by ChrisR on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:15:46 PM EST
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So.... (none / 0)

if you are a Clinton supporter, are you donating? Is there a big fundraiser being put on by the grassroots? Where is your action?


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by kevin22262 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:59:39 PM EST

Re: So.... (2.00 / 2)

I just gave $10.  The Obama ppl aren't ashamed to ask for something so little.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:01:14 PM EST
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Re: So.... (2.00 / 1)

I made my first donation just now.

I can't afford to give a lot, at least right now, but since people here say having donors who give only small amounts is a good thing, I went ahead.  ;-)


by randym77 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:19:09 PM EST
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Re: So.... (none / 0)

Me too.


by LakersFan on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:10:17 PM EST
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Re: So.... (none / 0)

Every amount donated for either candidate is a good thing for them. The majority of new Obama donors in January gave between $5 and $25 dollars. It adds up pretty quickly when that many people donate. He's already raised $3.5 million online since polls closed last night.


by keatsheart on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:13:45 PM EST
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Re: So.... (2.00 / 1)

I've given twice for total of $150 since last night.   For Clinton.


by rcipw on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:03:11 PM EST
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Re: So.... (none / 0)

oops.. now it's $4.3 million


by keatsheart on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:26:54 PM EST
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Re: So.... (none / 0)

could someone post a link to this growing figure. I want to follow it myself

Thanks


by cswartout on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:39:30 PM EST
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Re: So.... (none / 0)

I pulled the most recent number from Talking Points Memo.


by keatsheart on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:05:14 PM EST
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Re: So.... (2.00 / 1)

I assume she'll be holding some fundraisers now that the schedule lightens up a bit.

You know, John McCain didn't just go broke last year, I think he stayed broke and is still broke. It didn't hurt him that much.

For my part, I just kicked in a chunk myself. Certainly she'll be outspent in the next two months, but it won't be determinative.


by OrangeFur on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:28:26 PM EST
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What kind (none / 0)

of fundraisers?

Her base is maxed out... She can't do those 500K or million dollar fundraisers.  She's out of people who can afford 2K a plate dinners.

McCain isn't - that's why he can take a day away and do a big fundraiser... there are still big bundlers out there who haven't dropped him a dime and are now willing to grudgingly buy their access - LOTS of them.

On the D side -- all those folks have already ponied up.  The big Obama bundlers AND the big HRC bundlers.  The difference is that Obama big donor group is about 15% of his fundraising number.  For Clinton - it's closer to 85%.

She needs to get by now with small donations... but you can just spin that up because things suddenly got tough.

She's in trouble.

She needs an upset - and soon.  Definitely no later than Tuesday or Obama can blanket Texas with ads, camp in Ohio --- and just decide in the last week of February which one to win and deliver the knockout.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:04:22 PM EST
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Maybe (none / 0)

I was a Dean supporter. I remember feeling pretty confident when Dean was raising money by the fistful and Kerry was loaning himself money. Turns out my confidence was misplaced.


by mhojo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:38:07 PM EST
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Re: Maybe (none / 0)

Obama is wearing far better than Dr. Dean did.  


by cswartout on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:40:24 PM EST
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Re: Maybe (none / 0)

That was a lot earlier in the process. We're in Feb here, not Oct.


by mapantsula on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:41:20 PM EST
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Re: So.... (none / 0)

I gave a $100 this morning.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:19:47 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Does Michael Whouley work for free?


by ChrisR on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:03:20 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

In politics, yes.


by souvarine on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:08:50 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

This is in someways a reflection of her demographic base. Lets face it a large part of Obama's base just has more disposable income then does Clinton's or earlier Edwards.


by Judeling on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:03:48 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 2)

that's bullshit.
 90% of his january donations were under 100 dollars

and even then, hillary accepts pac and lobbyist money.


by Soltare on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:19:29 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Your argument doesn't contradict what the person said. First, most of the money always comes from big contributors. (Just like our tax system.) And $100 is a lot of money to people in the $30,000 range. Not as much to people in the $75,000 range.


by OrangeFur on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:30:20 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

I make $30,000 a year. I'm giving Obama $200 today.


by Mullibok on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:14:38 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

BS right back at you.
It is not the amount of the donation it is the ability to make it.
I'm not trying to stereotype but..
On one side you have people choosing to donate $25 by going to a Rally instead of a movie, on the other you have someone choosing to spend that $25 buying school pictures for their kid.
Edwards ran up against this also.
by Judeling on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:53:14 PM EST
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And back at you (none / 0)

There are plenty of folks that are writing of skipping meals to send Obama $5, $10, whatever.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:06:12 PM EST
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Re: And back at you (none / 0)

I'm not arguing that Obama hasn't built an impressive fund raising structure. Nor that Clinton has taken full advantage of the new fund raising model.
But if you lay the income levels of Obama and Clinton side by side it fairly jumps off the page. Obama has a much deeper source of income then Hillary does.

by Judeling on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:49:56 PM EST
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I love your attitude (none / 0)


by JoeySky18 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:06:27 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (2.00 / 2)

Maybe it's because Clinton supporters spend their time writing Obama hit pieces on MyDD while Obama has 14-year-old supporters organizing $200,000 fundraising drives for him. Just a thought.


by animated on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:10:22 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

hahahaha


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by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:11:47 PM EST
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Is this part of the total? (none / 0)

Does anyone know if this $5 million loan is included in the 13.5 million total or is on top of the 13.5?  If it's included then she only raised $8.5 million in January compared to his 32 million.


A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy. - Teddy Roosevelt
by minvis on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:13:27 PM EST

Re: Is this part of the total? (none / 0)

It is in addition to the $13.5M.


by rcipw on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:15:01 PM EST
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Re: Is this part of the total? (none / 0)

In addition to the $13.5 million. With the loan, she raised half of what Obama did.


by keatsheart on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:15:37 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Obama's using Hillary's 5 million as a fundraising goal.  Since the polls closed last night they have raised $3,442,985.


by Piuma on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:16:03 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

wow, if he actually managed that....
it's almost cruel in a way.

by Soltare on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:20:53 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

The DKos diary of it has him up to 3.7 right now.  He may actually pull in 5 million in 24 hours!


by Piuma on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:41:35 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

That is sick. Besides commercials, it will allow him to get serious amounts of paid staff into Texas and Ohio with a month to get ready. And the volunteers will be right behind them.

If I was a Clinton supporter, knowing what I know about Obama and his ground game, that is what would scare the heck out of me.


by cswartout on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:48:46 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

Things should get even harder for Hillary.
I know everyone is looking to Ohio, PA and Texas as the states in which Hillary puts Obama away.
I have one answer for that.
Missouri--Hillary was ahead by almost 15 points until the major AA cities started reporting and we all know how that ended.
This scenario will play out in Ohio and PA as well.
How does she a lead amongst the non super delegates again. Not gonna be easy especially with money probems.
by joachim on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:33:32 PM EST

A couple of thoughts (none / 0)

First, maybe it's a ploy -- make Obama think the Clinton campaign is stumbling. Maybe he'll go for a knockout blow, punch himself out foolishly, and be set up for a counterattack.

I don't think this is the case, but it's a thought.

Second, does Clinton have a lot of the old guard Democratic media strategists that like to run a bunch of TV ads because it nets them a nice contingency fee? (I seem to recall maybe she got some flat fee contracts, but can't remember for sure.)


by mhojo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:41:41 PM EST

Re: A couple of thoughts (none / 0)

Penn probably.


by MNPundit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:48:53 PM EST
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Re: A couple of thoughts (none / 0)

There is no ploy when you announce you loaned $5 million to your campaign and may do it again.  Sorry.

They should be damn happy that this hit the news today and not last week.  At least their people can keep a secret.

As for the media strategists, not sure what you are getting at. TV ads cost money. The making of them is the cheap part.  The airing is the expensive part.


by cswartout on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:52:16 PM EST
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Re: A couple of thoughts (none / 0)

If it's a ploy, it's another failed one and a big miscalculation.  Didn't they learn anything from January when they released that they raised more money than Barack in Q4, so Plouffe sent an email let's make up the difference and they raised 8 million in a week.  And now with this news, Plouffe immediately sent out an email let's match it and already they're edging 4 million already in the 21 hours since the polls closed.  


by Piuma on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:57:09 PM EST
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Re: A couple of thoughts (none / 0)

As far as the media strategists, one of the criticisms of Democratic media strategists in years past was their incentive to run expensive TV ads for which they got paid a percentage of the expenditure as opposed to exploring more effective media strategies that might be less lucrative to the strategist.


by mhojo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:41:38 PM EST
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If (2.00 / 1)

having a burn rate that requires you to lend yourself 5 mil BEFORE SuperTuesday is a "ploy" -- then everyone should vote against her.

Because anyone that finds any good under such a ploy is too stupid to be a major party candidate.

It's not the end of her campaign -- it's not even a mortal wound... but it's hardly a "ploy", not matter how much the spinning tops of Ambinder, Beeton and company want to hope it is.

It's bad news.  Pure and simple.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:10:01 PM EST
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Re: A couple of thoughts (none / 0)

Clinton uses flat fee contracts, as did Edwards. Obama pays percentage commissions. David Axelrod is now a rich man.


by souvarine on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:12:29 PM EST
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Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (1.00 / 1)

Does this mean we will be seeing fewer posts on MyDD from Seymour Glass and SusanHu since the paychecks have stopped coming in????


by riverred on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:10:21 PM EST

how much money does she have anyway? (none / 0)

the clinton's net worth, what range?  is 5 mil to her like fiv mil is to romney, or does it hurt more?  i can't imagine she has anything near romney's money, but still how big a chunk is five million.  also, is this a new york thing, have your staff work for free for a month and hope for the best, or just new york politicos?


Mccain/Palin '08: Grandpa's losin' it.
by Doug Tuttle on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:16:00 PM EST

Fundraising (none / 0)

Yet another reason why Obama is a better general election candidate than Clinton.


by AC4508 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:56:08 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

All this talk about money is making my head spin. Why don't we just give the nomination to Obama now because clearly people need to see an ad in order to make their voting decision. I'm sorry, but that just makes me depressed.


by Dari on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 11:26:31 PM EST

Re: The Page: Some Top Clinton Staff Forgoing Pay (none / 0)

It's not just ads, I guess, but the ability to send staff to primary and caucus states for organizational purposes.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong --Stephen Stills "For What It's Worth"
by vj on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 11:39:11 PM EST
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