Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead in 2/5 States

According to Chuck Todd just now on MSNBC, it appears that Barack Obama will come out of tonight leading 841 delegates to 837 delegates over Hillary Clinton. A split decision.

Update [2008-2-6 0:58:12 by Jonathan Singer]: After consulting with a couple of other people who also watched the Todd segment, a few of clarifications:

  • These numbers are estimates, I believe based upon a big haul for Clinton in California and a narrow Obama win in New Mexico (which hasn't yet checked in). This estimate is plus or minus 10 delegates.
  • These numbers are among pledged delegates. They do not include superdelegates.
  • These numbers only include the delegates from states voting today, not previous states.

I have also clarified the title.



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Re: Chuck Todd: Obama Leads by At Least 4 Delegate (none / 0)

That was an estimate.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:52:33 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd: Obama Leads by At Least 4 Delegate (none / 0)

Based on Todd's math.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:54:48 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd: Obama Leads by At Least 4 Delegate (none / 0)

Todd used the best case scenario for the Clinton campaign and gave her +30 in CA. He says it's most likely to be under that for CA.


by Kal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:57:17 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd: Obama Leads by At Least 4 Delegate (none / 0)

Obama all the way!!

Chuck Todd is the best political analyst on television period. When he talks people listen to him.


by Djneedle83 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:53:54 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd: Obama Leads by At Least 4 Delegate (1.66 / 3)

He is an Obama fanboy. So when he speaks, Obama fan's listen.

The rest of us have not drank the coolaid.


by kristoph on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:59:23 AM EST
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I think Todd is wrong (none / 0)

He is counting California delegates tonight by CD. They are divided by vote percentage per CD. The delegates chosen later are by statewide vote...reapportion the Edwards/others vote  and if the percentages stay the same...she gets 63% and he gets 37%...SO THAT gets her a much larger margin that Todd is ascribing to her.  The additional delegates chosen later are either 81 plus 48 PLEO.

So of the statewide apportionment she get 51, he gets 30. That alone is a 21 delegate lead...And the PLEO superdelegates may decide to go with the winner of the statewide polls.  So say she gets the same percentage of the PLEO that is is 30 to 17.  The additional numbers are 81 for her and 47 for him. that's a 34 vote margin  

So his numbers out of California are just dead wrong.

Secondly once you count California which could reach 5000000 votes. She gets 3.1 million and he get 1.9.  

I think the even steven narrative is something the press wants....MSNBC is in the tank for him at this point and the narrative they come up with is not to be trusted.


by debcoop on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:53:18 AM EST
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BOTTOM LINE (none / 0)

If the delegates are really that split than Obama really won tonight for he was suppose to lose by around 100 delegates.

Big overall win for Obama tonight.


by puma on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:53:54 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (2.00 / 1)

Damn...everyone was saying Obama needed to stay within 100 or 150 to stay in contention.

He's close or ahead in delegates, won nearly TWICE as many states, and is leading in cash and contributors...

HUGE night for Obama.


by animated on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:54:24 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Yes, sir.  The 'comeback kid.'


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:55:15 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Comeback kid? I don't think so.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:09:40 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

this produces some serious problems for the stripping of the MI (156) and FL (210) delegates and the big hunk of problems there...


by hctb on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:59:39 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Is this just among earned delegates, excluding FL and MI?


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:54:41 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

It probably ignores super delegates and FL/MI.


by MNPundit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:55:09 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

So why didn't the Clintons' campaign in the midwest/rocky-mountain caucus states?


by Djneedle83 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:54:47 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

'Cuz they are terrified of the down-ticket impact she would have if nominated, basically.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:56:16 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Money problems.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:10:18 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Obama wins on strategy too...caucus states.


by animated on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:55:19 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

The Organiser-in-Chief.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:56:41 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Huge victory for Obama. He won more states and more delegates. Given the very favorable calender and his huge fundraising advantage, I'd say he has a 75% chance of winning the nomination.


by Kal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:56:25 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

I'm going with 50/50. Which is really what Super-Duper-Tuesday was about.


by MNPundit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:57:15 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

What upcoming states will Clinton beat Obama in? And will those be enough to overtake Obama's delegate lead?


by Kal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:57:57 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

PA, OH, TX


by hctb on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:00:21 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

We'll see.  How many stadiums do they have?  I'll bet Obama can fill a few of 'em between now and then.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:05:17 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

He sure filled them in CA, but look what happened buddy.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:15:08 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Good point.  Time will tell.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:07:22 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

You know, the little ones, like TX and PA.


by kristoph on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:00:29 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Do you have any recent polls to back that up?

Do you think Obama's constant victories through February will affect the later contests? I think Obama winning DC, VA, MD, VT, WA, WI, and LA will give Obama a boost...don't you?


by Kal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:01:55 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Not ready to chalk up VA...

I think VA will be an interesting bellwether for the remainder of the race... but I think he does win all the other states you list, most of them handily.

He's going to head into the final 3 big states with a LOT of momentum, a LOT of money, likely having a lead -- and tons of time to spend in all of them.

I think Obama has moved into slight favorite to win the nomination....

I think it's 55-45 Obama for the nod.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:06:32 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

I hope Obama picks Webb for his VP, of course.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:08:08 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

And we'll see how the money situation shakes out. Right now Obama has a better financial resource than Clinton. I'm an Obama supporter and the states I regularly live/work/school in are IA, MN, and ND--and they all went Obama.

But I'm trying to look at it realistically. I think it's fair to say that they are dead in terms of winning the nomination. And I'm going to do all I can to make it happen!


by MNPundit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:07:35 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

TX is big for Hillary, but PA will be very close. A large African American and student population in Philly and Pittsburgh. She'll run up wins in Scranton, Erie and some of the white working class suburbs of Philly and Pittsburgh. But the momentum by that point may tip the middle class suburbanites in Montgomery and Bucks County to Obama.

Same story with Ohio. Large black and student population in Cincinnati, Columbus, Toledo and Cleveland. Clinton will do better in Akron, Dayton, the southeast mountain counties, and among working class whites outside Cleveland and Cincinnati. Again, it'll be very close, and momentum could give it to Obama.


by elrod on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:11:18 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

Numbers don't make sense ... only 2,025 delegates total.  Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania and many other states still to vote.  Perhaps, after Maryland, DC, and Virgina primaries?  What am I missing?


by jelyfish on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:56:53 AM EST

Obama Leads by At Least 4 Delegates After 2/5 (none / 0)

The conventional wisdom was he would "win" if he came within 100 delegates.  If he wins, he REALLY wins.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:57:07 AM EST

Nearing the pivot (none / 0)

I think Obama has precious little time left to be able to play the insurgent.... I think this race is 50-50, maybe a slight 55-45 Obama advantage based on other factors (favorable schedule near-term, $$$$, the fact that Obama can park in states till March).

He's going to have to start running as the frontrunner soon.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:09:04 AM EST
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Re: Nearing the pivot (none / 0)

He's been taking on McCain in his stump speech for a week now.  Good strategy.  The match-ups are looking better than Hillary's, we'll see in coming weeks.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:09:48 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads (none / 0)

The next few contests sure favor Obama...The hispanic voters won't be able to help her out again until Texas which is a ways away.


by mecarr on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:59:20 AM EST

I think (none / 0)

Obama beat his latino numbers in CA -- he at least beat his NV latino #s, no?

He's gonna have time to make a move for them -- not a week to close a gap.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:10:21 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

I wouldn't call it a split decision. Not when all projections had a good Obama night within 100 delegates of the candidate who supported the invasion of Iraq. I'd say it's a win. This is going to be a long month for the candidate who stood to the right of John McCain on torture.


by craigk724 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:59:52 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Leads by At Least 4 (none / 0)

LOL


by animated on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:04:30 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (2.00 / 2)

Todd's math does not count super delegates and ignores MI and FL, which he does at his peril after what Howard Dean said today.

California could be shaping up to be a blowout of 20% or more and MO will probably go to recount.

Everyone needs to take a breath and stop spinning. No one got blown out but as  Clinton supporter I am thrilled with winning the big states and nullifying Kennedy/Kerry in CA and MA. LMAO


by americanincanada on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:59:54 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Yeah, I don't see how we proceed at the convention without the delegates from Michigan and Florida being seated.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:03:15 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

How do you seat a state where one of the candidates wasn't even on the ballot?


by animated on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:05:30 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

How do you have a convention where a state is not represented?


by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:22:02 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

You seat the uncommitted delegates. It's not Hillary Clinton's fault that Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI. That was all him.


by arkansasdemocrat on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:22:06 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Easy.  Obama didn't have to pull his name off the ballot, it was by his own choice in a cute trick to try to embarrass Clinton.  

The delegation should be split according to the Clinton/Uncommitted vote...Obama's people were actively promoting their people to vote "Uncommitted."  

So you'll just have to suck it up.  And while you're at it, bend over...the kick will sting.


by InigoMontoya on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:27:42 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Inigo, that was a bit, shall we say, graphic...  Not everybody's cup of tea.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:52:49 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Shaun, my patience runs thin after the umpteenth time someone tries to play the "Obama wasn't on the ballot" card as if were a sign of virtue to be rewarded rather than a crass political calculation that didn't work.

Btw, you'll notice that, while I didn't think much of the tactic, I never spent much phosphor attacking Obama's decision to try it (even though I thought it was really dumb for Edwards to go along).   It's people that try to pass off the sow's ear as a silk purse that earn my scorn.


by InigoMontoya on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 11:14:07 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Because they opted not to be on the ballot?


by manny on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:29:35 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

This is the smallest violin in the world playing for the poor disenfranchised voters of MI and FL.

Sorry guys, you can't change the rules in mid game. Rules were not set by Obama camapaign, they were set by the DNC. And the whole thing is the fault of the state parties of FL and MI, who knew full well the consequences of their actions and acted anyway. The voters' anger, and yours, should be directed at THOSE STATE PARTIES, unless you think every state should have the power to act unilaterally in matters such as these. The fake outrage from HRC supporters is just ridiculous.


by animated on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:42:49 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

You're changing the subject.  At first you asked how a state could be counted when one of the candidates wasn't on the ballot.  When it was pointed out, quite correctly, that he wasn't on the ballot because he chose not to be, now you want to talk about something else.

The fate of MI and FL will be decided at the convention, where I suspect quite a few states will sympathize with the fact that NH paid no price for ignoring the rules yet again and MI and FL received a draconian punishment.  Howard Dean made quite clear today that the issue has not been resolved.  You can post all the impassioned comments you want about how it's all the fault of the state parties in MI and FL, but these are the facts.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:49:54 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Uh-huh.  The facts.  Thanks for the wake-up call.  Animated has a good point, who asked either of those states to move their nominations forward?  Florida, well, it was a Republican ploy.  In Michigan the ploy was a bit closer to home.  Your status as an impartial arbiter has exceeded it's use-by-date.  If it ever had one.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:56:10 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Your comment is directed to how things ought to be.  My comment was directed to how things are.

Howard Dean was on CNN and MSNBC today making it very clear that the issue of MI and FL is not settled and is subject to a vote at the convention.  Yet people continue to boldly proclaim that it's a dead issue, no way will they count, blah blah blah.  I freely acknowledge that there are good arguments for both sides, but it's time people start living in the spin-free zone for once.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:17:51 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

I agree it ain't going away.  It is a royal pain in the butt for all Democrats and it is too late to take names, the damage is done.  Nay suggestions as to how this may go without giving us Chicago '68 redux.  Nobody wants that.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:26:44 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

If I were Howard Dean I would broker a fair settlement regarding MI and FL right here and now.  He has significant leverage over both campaigns, and if someone wants to play hardball and force the issue to go to a vote at the convention, neither the PR spin nor the delegates' opinions will be favorable towards the candidate who rejected a fair settlement.

I nevertheless think that comparisons to 1968 are way, way overblown.  Every single development during this primary has been painted as having the potential to tear the party apart.  Lots of people haven't gotten their way over the years and yet the party has managed to soldier on.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:49:02 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Indeed, but we have had our share of 'own goals.'  Let's do better this time.  I completely agree with you on the need for an immediate, equitable and acceptable solution and I also agree you have identified the appropriate actor.  I am not trying to exacerbate the problem, just point to the urgency of an efficacious and equitable solution.  Any ideas?  Here is both a threat and an opportunity.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 03:01:32 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Are not 35% of CA delegates awarded by statewide totals.


by kristoph on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:19:10 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate makes me laugh (none / 0)

Apparently 129 allocated proportionally.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:03:45 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (none / 0)


Obama won his home state by 67 delegates (110-43; 153 total). Clinton won her home state by 52 delegates (142-90; 232 total). Among home states, Obama won a net delegate margin of 15. That's a good number - but even more impressive when you consider that New York had 79 more delegates up for grabs than Illinois.

Ben SMith - Berman's count: 606-534 Politico 5 Feb 08


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:00:00 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (none / 0)


Obama is position to sweep the caucus states. According to early projections, Obama is likely to take delegates by about a 2-to-1 margin in Minnesota (72 total delegates), Kansas (32 total delegates), North Dakota (13 total delegates).

Ben Smith - Berman's count: 606-534 Politico 5 Feb 08


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:01:35 AM EST

Re: add 75 to Clinton for total (none / 0)

Clinton has an approx 90 delegate lead in superdelegates, Obama led by 15 pledged going in, so he's now behind by 70 or so overall.


Matt - DemConWatch
by msn1 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:01:58 AM EST

Here's a Simple Formula (none / 0)

More pledged delegates + more states = Obama victory (for today) if these estimates are anything close to accurate.

Objectively, this is essentially a draw.  But from a spin perspective, I think the above equation wins the day.  We'll see though.  The Clinton folks know how to spin better than anyone.


by HSTruman on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:03:23 AM EST

Re: Here's a Simple Formula (none / 0)

We're all a bit dizzy, I gotta' admit.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:12:37 AM EST
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Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead in 2/5 States? (none / 0)

The back room political machines kept this night from being a disaster for Hillary.  But if Obama has a pledged delegate lead in the 20-30 range going into several contests that are SUPPOSED to favor Obama, perhaps that turns into an advantage of 80-100 pledged delegates.  Is that enough to even out the split in superdelegates, momentum-wise?  Will it carry over into Texas?  Will the Rendell machine give Hillary a firewall in PA?  Ohio has no machine, but Strickland is very popular.  Can he deliver like Vilsack could not?  What about Bayh in Indiana?

And the elephant(s) in the room nobody is discussing - is this showing by Obama enough to trigger a Gore and/or Edwards endorsement?  Maybe Edwards can still play kingmaker.

These will be interesting times, folks.


by NC State Dem on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:05:38 AM EST

Re: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead in 2/5 States? (none / 0)

Good point on the Gore/Edwards question.  If Obama wins the next couple primaries, an endorsement by either of the big two you mention would provide huge momentum going into the second big tuesday.  


by HSTruman on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:09:18 AM EST
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Do governors (none / 0)

Have machines?

Over Dkos -- Markos is pointing out that Obama's endorsements (Kennedy, etc) didn't mean crap.   However -- mayoral machines... Menino in Boston, Daley in chicago, Villaragosa in LA --- mayors won the day.

Who has the Philly mayor endorsed?  Pittsburg?  

It's local machines and local endorsements that seem to matter.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:13:14 AM EST
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Re: Do governors (none / 0)

Speaking as a North Carolinian, I can assure you that Jim Hunt had (and still kind of has) one.  I'm pretty sure Rendell also does.

I don't know whether there are any powerful mayors in Ohio and Texas.


by NC State Dem on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:26:50 AM EST
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Re: Do governors (none / 0)

Cleveland, Cincy, Philly, Pitt, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Columbus....

As an Obama supporter -- the first thing I do tomorrow is starting weeding into mayoral and even city council endorsements... Even where HRC already has those endorsements -- I start a rumble/campaign to make it clear that active support for Clinton is going to come with a political price.


by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:33:59 AM EST
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Re: Do governors (none / 0)

Do you know anything re these mayors, and who they are supporting?  I saw someone say Columbus mayor is an Obama supporter.


by NC State Dem on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:38:23 AM EST
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Re: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead in 2/5 States? (none / 0)

"back room political machines kept this night from being a disaster for Hillary"

Excuse me? those back room political machines are called caucuses, which Obama will surely be lauding tomorrow.


by hctb on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:59:10 AM EST
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Re: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead in 2/5 States? (none / 0)

Just wait 'till the convention.  This is going to get weirder before it gets clearer.  Remember '68?  Disastrous.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:05:58 AM EST
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wow (none / 0)

the good thing is that obama will have a good 3 weeks or so to concentrate on texas, ohio and PA. he will kill in va, md, dc.  


by highgrade on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:06:21 AM EST

Re: wow (none / 0)

You think Alameda county is going to change things? And you've gotta admit I was right earlier when I called California for Hillary. Your bay area hasn't been voting for Obama at nearly the rates you expected.


by LakersFan on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:34:04 AM EST
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Re: wow (none / 0)

Correction. If Hillary wins the nomination you will be staying home and electing John McCain.

Did 2000 teach you nothing?


by cath on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:35:19 AM EST
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You're going to sit out? (none / 0)

have you forgot about the troop?  we have to bring them home.  


by JoeySky18 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 03:55:09 AM EST
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It's Obama's night (none / 0)

Hillary had her two homestates and just couldn't pull it off. (Obama still has Hawaii coming up)

I think tonight is a victory for Obama.


by Progressive America on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:06:38 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has (none / 0)

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama picks up more super delegates...especially if polls continue to show him in better position to beat McCain in November...


by mecarr on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:06:55 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has (none / 0)

As he has been doing recently.  He has been pitching against McCain in his stumps for the last week.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:14:22 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (none / 0)

He wins the delegates.  He wins the number of States.  Call it a win.  No doubt he got hurt in California by the early voting.


by Piuma on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:08:07 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama H (none / 0)

anyone know what the polls showed in New Mexico?


by mecarr on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:09:24 AM EST

Obama Fights Clinton Machine To Draw (2.00 / 1)

Barack Obama has defeated the Terry McAuliffe front loaded calendar and overcome significant institutional disadvantages by gnawing his way to a delegate draw.  

The winner of the post February 5 contests will be the Democratic Party nominee.  The combination of more money, more energy and more time are all to Obama's advantage.

PS- Clare McCaskill rules.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:09:36 AM EST

Re: Obama Fights Clinton Machine To Draw (none / 0)

She's like a benign Hillary Clinton.


by animated on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:12:08 AM EST
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Re: Obama Fights Clinton Machine To Draw (2.00 / 1)

The MSM has kept him in the race. He has no substance. The delegates he collected are from red states that no democrat is going to win.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:31:40 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (none / 0)

What the Clinton Camp takes away from tonight: "We've taken three uppercuts (IA, SC, and the Kennedy endorsement) from Obama, and we're still standing and more-or-less in the lead. Our core of support is more solid and larger than we thought it was and we've finally figured out how to present Hillary in a way that begins to bridge the inspiration gap. We're worried that our support among black voters is dangerously low and that Obama's about to spend us into the ground over the next two weeks."

What the Obama Campaign takes away from tonight:
"Our message is clearly winning. We won the spin war and the press is now solidly on our side. We have an amazing grassroots following and our organizers are the best in the business. My landslide margins among upscale whites, african-americans, is really going to play to my advantage in the next three big contests (Va, MD, and WI). We are the best funded primary campaign in the history of American politics and we haven't even hit second gear. We're worried that we seem to be running into a wall with latino voters. We're worried that after taking several damn good shots from us, Clinton's still more-or-less beating us. We're worried that we've run out of gimmicks to keep the press excited about us."


by blueflorida on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:13:31 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (2.00 / 1)

If that's true and Obama got more delegates even though Clinton beat him by hundreds of thousands of votes, then that's a sad statement about how Democrats choose their nominee.


by BDB on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:13:57 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (2.00 / 2)

Hillary won the night hands down.  how absurd is it to be touting red states that will have no play in the general election?  you can count the dems in most of the states BO won on one hand.  this comment section is so devoid of lunch bucket and latino dems, neither of which has or will drink the obama kool aid.  tally the votes.  hillary won millions more votes tonight.  the nomination will be hers because her coalition is the heart and soul of the Democratic party.  Indies and wealthy whites do not a Democratic coalition make even if they are buttressed with the AA community.


by joker on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:14:04 AM EST

Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (none / 0)

Heart and soul of the Democratic party?  I thought those were the pledged delegates.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:16:42 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (none / 0)

How nice of you to exclude the educated, the black, and the young from your understanding of the Democratic Party.  And to think we're the party of inclusion.  What's striking about your comment is that this truly is the mindset of the Clinton campaign. Marginalize those who will not join us.  These marginalized groups are seeing through her vote for the Iraq war and steadfast refusal to recant her choice to vote for a conflict sending so many young Americans to their death. This is the part of the Democratic party I'm proud of. You can have stagnation.


by craigk724 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:20:12 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (none / 0)

I would hardly call the "educated" and "young" the marginalized groups in the democratic party. Educated professionals - like me - play a disproportionate role due to our ability to donate and campaign. (Unlike single parents struggling to raise kids.) The young may be a different story but that is often by their choice.

Nor are the educated or young playing the price of war. Neither are serving beyond the young economic draftees in the working class. Frankly those soldiers families seem to have gone for Hillary.

The African American community has coalesced around Obama. That's also not marginalization


by cath on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:42:10 AM EST
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Obama (none / 0)

Jeez, if Obama had pulled out one of the tossup states of NJ, MA, or CA, it would be a really huge night for him.

Why do I expect to wake up to a media barrage telling me that the evening belonged to Hillary?

pj


by global yokel on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:14:56 AM EST

Re: Obama (none / 0)

well, he did win Missouri and CT which were tossups.


by mecarr on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:17:31 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: Obama Has 4 Delegate Lead (none / 0)

Big story: according to MSNBC exit polls Clinton's lead among women nationwide was something like 5 points. Not a good number for Hillary Clinton.

Also, the Southern strategy that Pat Buchanan and some HRC supporters on this site kept railing about didn't work! Obama closed the gap among white voters and is even beginning to pull away Hispanics.


by animated on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:15:20 AM EST

in OHIO (none / 0)

columbus mayor coleman is an early obama supporter. he is also quite popular despite a wife who is always in some trouble.

cleveland has huge AA population.


by highgrade on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:25:52 AM EST

Re: in OHIO (none / 0)

Governor Strickland (very popular) is a Clinton supporter.

Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory has not made an endorsement as yet, though I don't believe his endorsement would carry much weight.  The office of mayor in Cincinnati is fairly weak.


by susie on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:43:51 AM EST
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Re: in OHIO (none / 0)

Ohio should be strong for Clinton given her support with "downscale voters." speaking of which, does anyone know why the media has started calling blue collar voters downscale? is that supposed to be more  pc?


by hctb on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:07:31 AM EST
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Re: Chuck Todd Estimate: (none / 0)

And where is Chuck Todd getting his CD level data? I can't find it...


by arkansasdemocrat on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:29:06 AM EST


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