Primary Morn

Where we stand right now (source for poll closing times and delegate count: this handy WaPo chart)...

StateTypeDelegatesPolls Close (EST)RCPPollster
Georgiaprimary877pmObama +15Obama +13.5
Connecticutprimary488pmClinton +4Clinton +1.8
Delaware*primary158pmClinton +2
Alabamaprimary528pmClinton +2Clinton +1.5
Illinoisprimary1538pmObama +33Obama +36
Massachusettsprimary938pmClinton +12.2Clinton +11.1
Missouriprimary728pmClinton +4Clinton +1.4
New Jerseyprimary1078pmClinton +7Clinton +10.2
Oklahomaprimary388pmClinton +29.3
Tennesseeprimary688pmClinton +13Clinton +17
Arkansasprimary358:30pm
Arizonaprimary569pmClinton +6Clinton +10.6
Minnesota*caucus729pmClinton +7
New Mexico*caucus269pmObama +6
New Yorkprimary2329pmClinton +17.2Clinton +19.4
North Dakotacaucus139pm
Kansascaucus329:30pm
Utahprimary2310pmClinton +8
Idahocaucus1810:30pm
Californiaprimary37011pmClinton +2.6Clinton +6.8
Alaskacaucus1311:15pm
Colorado*caucus5511:30pmObama +2Obama +2

*based on only one 2008 poll

Note that Obama is favored in the un-polled caucus states. Anything to add? Care to make predictions? How many states does each win? How many delegates? Which way will CA, CT, MO and NJ go?



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Good job, Todd (none / 0)

Your chart shows both (or either) RCP and pollster averages putting Hillary on top in these states:

Connecticut
Delaware
Alabama
Massachusetts
Missouri
New Jersey
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Arizona
Minnesota
New York
Utah
California

A state where neither RCP nor pollster has an average is Arkansas, but I think we can safely put that in Hillary's column. If that's what happens, Hillary gets 14 states, including the big prizes of California, New York, and New Jersey.

Either or both RCP and pollster has Obama up in these states:

Georgia
Illinois
New Mexico
Colorado

There is no polling average presented for the following states, but they may prove to be Obamaland:

Arkansas
North Dakota
Kansas
Idaho
Alaska

So if all these trends and speculations all proved true, Hillary will wind up with 14 states and Obama will wind up with nine states. Under this scenario, in General Elections, Hillary's states mostly tend to be blue and Obama's mostly tend to be red. Interestingly, Hillary gets all the big Super Tuesday states except Illinois, where Obama has the hometown advantage.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 05:55:19 AM EST

Can the tail wag the dog? (none / 0)

If Obama wins 9 states, most of them on the small side, and the red side with the exception of IL, can he convince Democrats that he "won" today?

The media will spin it has a tie at worst.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:22:58 AM EST
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Re: Can the tail wag the dog? (none / 0)

of cause they will spin it for obama


by JoeySky18 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:18:30 AM EST
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Re: Good job, Todd (none / 0)

Too many undecideds to make this kind of a call. Remember what happened in NH: last minute deciders threw off the pollsters.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:01:07 AM EST
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Re: Good job, Todd (none / 0)

The internal polling for both camps says NM is likely to go to Clinton, with UT favoring Obama.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:39:58 AM EST
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Re: Good job, Todd (none / 0)

Where did you here this?


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:01:49 AM EST
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The only prediction I will hazard (none / 0)

is that all of these states will break one way.

There are three distinct phases to the last 15 days of the campaign:

1. Pre-SC : Clinton lead by AT LEAST 20 in most states, and by 15-25 nationally.

2. Post SC and Kennedy bounce, which got Obama to between 5 and 10 Nationally. The average bounce in the states was 13.8 - which was enough to get him within striking distance in many states. However, he was still behind by 5 - 13 in NJ, MO, MA, Ariz, California and perhaps MA.

The evidence for this bounce is consistant, and the polls are in general agreement.

3. Post CA debate Here is evidence is clear as mud. Some polling suggests Obama's SC surge continued, some suggest it halted. There is little evidence of a Clinton surge (the Survey USA polls show minor Obama improvement from their polls taken Jan 30 - but only a point or two).

So let's revisit exit polling for a second. The table below shows when voters made up their mind in the past. Given the lack of information that most voters possessed and when this campaign began in places like Minnesota, I would guess we are looking at as much volatility as New Hampshire: where nearly 40% made up their mind in the last 72 hours.

Given the national nature of this campaign I would think any trend will likely be consistent across almost all of the States (I think California may be the exception).

My guess is that late deciders will turn out to favor Clinton, and as a result Clinton will win all but Illinois, Georgia and some of the smaller states (like Utah). I expect this will give Clinton a large lead: enough to effectively end the race.

I very much hope I am wrong.

 

% decided
in last 72 hours
% decided on
the day of
Iowa 11 9
New hampshire 21 17
Nevada 8 9
SC 10 11

by fladem on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:12:02 AM EST
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Re: The only prediction I will hazard (none / 0)

I suspect you are right about states breaking one way, but I am much less confident Clinton will benefit. I think your theory of the election, momentum, is wrong, partly because self-reported "when I made up my mind" is very unreliable. Panel back studies show that people who claim to have decided late supported who they voted for long before the election. I do believe that events can give voters new information and a reason to re-evaluate who to vote for.


by souvarine on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:28:01 AM EST
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Re: The only prediction I will hazard (none / 0)

Chuck Todd says undecided will break for Obama. He has no numbers to back this up, it's just a theory.

SurveyUSA has a CA poll which showed some undecideds breaking for Obama, and none for Clinton.

SurveyUSA has another poll, in MO, where the undecideds broke decisively for Clinton.

So I would suggest this may be a state by state affair.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:53:34 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Check out these forecasts.

You left out Minnesota.

I've got Clinton by 70 delegates. I think the realm of possibilities is anything between 25 delegates and 140 delegates. It mostly depends on the results in CA/AZ/NM, but also MO,MN,CT, and NJ.


by niq on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 06:09:42 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

The latest (today) SurveyUSA is out for MO. The undecideds broke for Clinton. She has a 12% lead there now.

MO is supposed to be a bellwether. I wonder if that is indicative of the western states.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:07:54 AM EST
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Where's American Samoa? (none / 0)

You forgot American Samoa. Results from there will probably be known before California.

Democrats Abroad also kicked off Super Tuesday (at 12:01 a.m. Jakarta time), but results won't be known there at least until all the Internet voting closes on February 12th. There are 7 elected delegates at stake in that contest, although it's weird because it's actually 14 people, each with half a full vote.  So you could end up with something like 4.5 for Obama and 2.5 for Clinton. Let's hope it won't come down to half delegates. :-)


by BBCWatcher on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 06:28:06 AM EST

Details on American Samoa (none / 0)

It's a caucus. I think American Samoa may actually report first (if they're fast) since the caucuses start at about 5 pm Eastern.


by BBCWatcher on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 06:31:30 AM EST
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Re: Details on American Samoa (none / 0)

I believe CNN said we will know their results at 6:30 PM.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:39:59 AM EST
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The winner of the Dem primary (none / 0)

will be determined by superdelegates in the end.


by puma on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 06:35:29 AM EST

Re: The winner of the Dem primary (none / 0)

Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for us...


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 06:49:03 AM EST
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Whoever wins California today wins the nomination (none / 0)


by dpANDREWS on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:32:11 AM EST
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Re: Whoever wins California today wins the nominat (none / 0)

A week ago I think that was true.  But I think there is a chance that California will be so close that it won't be convincing.  And since it will be one of the last states to have results come in, a lot of the coverage and themes of the evening will have been shaped before we know (if it is close).  And, if it is close, that won't be enough to overcome what people want to say about the night.

A blow out in California either way would still be decisive for the nomination, I agree.


by rcipw on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:21:58 AM EST
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Whoever wins Cali today (none / 0)

Will probably do very well and win AZ, NJ, MN, CO, MA, and CT, among others.

The Party is not going to nominate someone who has lost in states like CA, MA, and NJ.  

The only way to survive a CA loss is to win those other big states, but I don't think that will happen.  I think you will see whoever wins Cali todays cleans up nationally, and take a solid majority of the contests.

The it doesn't matter if that person leads by 100 delegates, trails by 15, whatever.  The party is going to nominate the person who wins these key states.


by dpANDREWS on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:34:04 AM EST
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Re: Whoever wins Cali today (none / 0)

I really dont understand your logic.

This is a primary, not a general election campaign!

Loosing a democratic primary in these states, doesnt mean squat how the general will turn out.

No republican has a chance in MA and CA, even Kucinich would win CA and MA.


by MarcTGFG on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:07:53 AM EST
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Re: Whoever wins Cali today (none / 0)

I agree with that. Although psychologically you would think if Clinton wins NY, NJ, MA, CA that would mean something.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:46:58 AM EST
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Re: Whoever wins California today wins the nominat (none / 0)

I am Clinton supporter and even though I think Clinton will win I don't think that it means she has a lock on the nomination.

In the end, I think no one will have a decisive victory.

Incidentally, I heard that Clinton polled about 3k RV's in CA yesterday. Of those about 1200 already voted and she had 17% lead, of those who had not voted she was 2% behind Obama.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:44:29 AM EST
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Re: Whoever wins California today wins the nominat (none / 0)

But not all registered voters are likely to vote. How will turnout be today and how close it is and whether or not turnout tops absentee ballots, which most believes Clinton leads will determine the outcome. I hope for the best for Clinton.

You know what funny though, someone sent to my e-mail a "Bible Code" study showing it will be McCain vs. Clinton. Desperation is in the air I say. When we resort to the Bible to predict the outcome of an election, it is trouble.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:06:08 AM EST
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Re: Whoever wins California today wins the nominat (none / 0)

Yeah I had that question (about RV's) but since this came from a chain of people I could not really ask it.

Still a 17% lead of almost 40% of the sample is a good sign.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:10:50 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Predictions for Super- Tuesday Add to Hotlist

by Jr1886, Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 02:49:13 AM EST

Here's a prediction thread. The three biggest shocker from my predictions: Obama will win California, Massachusett, and Missouri.

Obama's column( in order of certainty with 1= Most certain & 17 least certain)

11- Alabama
7-  ALaska
10- California
9-  Colorado
12- Connecticut
17- Delaware
8-  Democrats abroad
2-  Georgia
5-  Idaho
1-  Illinois
3-  Kansas
16- Massachusetts
15- Minnesota
14- Missouri
13- New Mexico
4-North Dakota
6-Utah
 So Obama will win 16 states and Democrats abroad. This is huge

Clinton Column(1 most certain &6 least certain)

6- Arizona
2- Arkansas
5- New Jersey
1- New York
4- Oklahoma
3- Tennesse

So Clinton will pick up 6 states


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:07:56 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Well, there is a poll out from SurveyUSA for MO (just came out 1 hour ago) that shows the undecideds broke for Clinton and she has a 12% lead there now.

So I think MO is probably hers.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:12:15 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

more than one 'optimist'  here I see.. Obama wins 3 states


by atomic garden on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:14:17 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

States, shmates.  Obama holds Clinton to within a hundred delegate margin.  That'll do.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:17:05 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Obama has a frightening amount of momentum in CA right now. By all appearances, he's going to win there. Really can't say what's likely to happen with the overall delegate count.


by blueflorida on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:18:36 AM EST

Point of inquiry (none / 0)

Why are we obsessed with delegate counts? Are we completely convinced that both of these candidates are prepared to advance this fight all the way to the convention as long as they are within a close delegate range? Further, don't delegate counts obscure what is really important -- namely, which candidate has the greater amount of popular support in the party?


by blueflorida on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:47:33 AM EST

Re: Point of inquiry (none / 0)

Well I think the thought goes that Hillary has some of her best states tonight. Obama still has Hawaii, much of the south, and the Beltway, plus the northwestern caucuses. If he keeps it close tonight on the delegate count, I think he wins the nomination.


by Progressive America on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:53:44 AM EST
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Re: Point of inquiry (none / 0)

It's a weighted distribution...not all delegates are equal, in the sense that even within a single state a delegate acquired in one district may not have required as many raw votes as a delegate acquired in a different district. In a close delegate race, we can't conclusively say whether the candidate with the most delegates is the one with the most actual popular support.


by blueflorida on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:31:34 AM EST
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Re: Point of inquiry (none / 0)

If the delegate race is very close and Obama continues to outraise her by a significant margin, why wouldn't he stay in? Some of his best states are yet to come. I think he'll hold her to under a 100 delegate margin.


by keatsheart on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:29:31 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

None of us know what will happen, and the pollsters in california are all over the place.  If hillary wins Mass,NY, NJ and Cal she will be the nominee-- and she will have earned it fair and square.  If the democratic race is not settled by tomorrow, then McCain will win the presidency.  If Obama, comes out on top, McCain will also win the presidency.  The Obama approach of not emphasizing substance has never worked in presidential campaigns.  Gary Hart, Bill bradley, Adlai Stevenson all ran campaigns that emphasized bullshit "new politics" themes that simply do not resonate with the typical middle class voter.politics is about fighting over ideas and the nations direction in addressing issues and problems.  There is no such thing as "unity" in a diverse nation of 350 million people.


by Canaanite on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 07:57:02 AM EST

No winner take all in these states (none / 0)

CA, NY, NJ, etc are NOT winner take all thus it is about delegates.

If Hillary wins those states but the delegate count is <100 difference, the media may spin it as an Obama "win".


by puma on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:01:03 AM EST
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Re: No winner take all in these states (none / 0)

I honestly can't remember the last time the media spun a loss, even a close loss, as a "win."  They didn't spin Hillary's 2nd place in delegate count in Iowa as a "win."  In fact, they spun it as a total loss for her. Obama's campaign will try to spin it that way, but I don't see the contortions to make a close loss into a win actually playing well with the low-information media consumer.


by milton333 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:30:35 AM EST
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not emphasizing substance has never worked (none / 0)

43.


by Teaser on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:00:54 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Hillary will win decidedly today. Obama will have the young and African American vote in California. Hillary will get Hispanics, Union voters and women.  She wins the nom tonight.


by Mar154 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:18:46 AM EST

I want to comment (none / 0)

so I can come back to this statement after the results are in.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:43:31 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Survey USA poll might be so off compared to other polls because they overestimated Latino turnout. Essential reading:http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=365


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:42:00 AM EST

Essential reading (none / 0)

From the guy who has been insisting for months that Gore was about to endorse? Who on the day of the Nevada caucus was predicting an Obama win? Who forecast a blowout in NH and Hillary's withdrawal?

Like a stopped clock, he is right only when Obama wins.


by souvarine on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:04:29 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Even if you reduce the Latino vote to less, say 20%, that only reduces Clinton by 4%.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:52:23 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Survey USA also has Hillary leading among young voters by +3. This is way out of what we thought we know before, that is young people usually favored Obama by 2 to 1.


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:50:39 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Perhaps not all young people have drank the kool-aid?


by Mar154 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:53:46 AM EST
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Re: Perhaps but (none / 0)

That's pretty unlikely when all other polls out of the state show obama leading among young voters by a large margin.

One thing we can be sure of, Wednesday morning someone will look pretty bad. And, I must say it's likely to be Survey USA that's screwed up


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:01:43 AM EST
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Re: Perhaps but (none / 0)

I think it's likely that BOTH Survey USA and Zogby will have screwed up.  They're both extreme outliers in opposite directions.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:10:55 AM EST
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THIS IS DRIVING ME FUKKING CRAZY (2.00 / 1)

and I know I'm not the only one :)


by highgrade on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:54:20 AM EST

Re: THIS IS DRIVING ME FUKKING CRAZY (none / 0)

I'm with ya.


by souvarine on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:57:06 AM EST
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Re: California(for what it is worth) (none / 0)

RCP Average 02/01 - 02/04 - 44.0 42.8 Obama +1.2
Reuters/CSpan/Zogby 02/03 - 02/04 895 LV 49 36 Obama +13.0
SurveyUSA 02/03 - 02/04 872 LV 42 52 Clinton +10.0
Suffolk 02/01 - 02/03 700 LV 40 39 Obama +1.0
Rasmussen 02/02 - 02/02 798 LV 45 44 Obama +1.0
See All California Democratic Primary Polling Data
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 Obama Clinton  
Intrade Real Time Quotes   (See More Data )

Obama 70     Clinton 46


by BDM on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 08:59:34 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

I am not so sure Obama is favored in all caucus states. He won the Iowa caucus, but lost the nevada one. So its a wash.

After Edwards dropping out I really dont have a horse in this race although I have a feeling downticket democrats might fare better with Obama on top of the ticket.

My prediction is a very close race in delegates. And Hillary winning a bare majority of states.

I think Obama will crush Hillary in Illinous, while New York will be surprisingly close.

New Jersey will be closer than expected too.

And Georgia, Alabama, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Guam, Missouri, North Dakota, Minnesota and possibly Kansas will be in Obamas colummn.

I think Clinton will win most states with higher latino population, including CA, AZ and NM.

Everybody is talking about CA. But the story I predict out of Super Tuesday might just be: Obama giving Clinton a scare in her home state and neighboring NJ, while Obama crushes Clinton in IL. If CA is close and will be too late for many newspapers to put the final result in their front page stories, the print media will have to find other headlines. Another possibility is, that McCain will be the story of the night.


by MarcTGFG on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:16:19 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Yeah...no. Hillary has an extremely devoted and loyal base of support in NY, and that includes NYC.  She'll rout him in NY.


by Mar154 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:17:58 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

We will see, we will see...


by MarcTGFG on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:08:38 AM EST
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MO: Long Lines, Rain in Kansas City (none / 0)

At 7:15am in midtown Kansas City there were twenty people who had come out in a cold thunderstorm, almost all asking for the Democratic ballot.  For a normal primary vote in good weather at 7:15 we would usually see 5-7 people.


by Arthurkc on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:19:58 AM EST

Re: MO: Long Lines, Rain in Kansas City (none / 0)

How many of the 20 were women?


by antiHyde on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:14:20 AM EST
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Men to Women, About 50:50 (none / 0)

The guy in front of me was asked which ballot he wanted (Blue for Republicans, White for Dems, and Pink for Libertarian) and he said "The one with Clinton on it" and everybody around laughed, perhaps some at the unintended sardonic nature of the question.


by Arthurkc on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:59:02 AM EST
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Men to Women (none / 0)

At 7:15am there were a number of suits headed to work.  I suspect the gender ratio in my precinct will move more toward female latter in the day, but this is a racially integrated area of activist Democrats, with more Obama signs in the yards than Clinton.


by Arthurkc on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:02:16 AM EST
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External Factors (none / 0)

I may post my predictions late depending on how the Stock Market does today.
With the bad employment numbers the market could drop dramatically. This could shift late deciders significantly Clinton's way Minnesota, Colorado and New Mexico. Maybe even enough.
by Judeling on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:32:01 AM EST

Re: External Factors (none / 0)

Why Clinton's way? Is everyone in a hurry for their job to be shipped overseas instead of eliminated?


by antiHyde on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:16:03 AM EST
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Re: External Factors (none / 0)

So your saying if we vote for Clinton our jobs will be shipped overseas and if we vote for Obama our jobs will just be eliminated.

What a choice.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:15:56 AM EST
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Re: External Factors (none / 0)

Stinks, doesn't it?

Or, we could vote for McMoreWarsMoreWarsMoreWars...


by antiHyde on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:40:19 AM EST
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FWIW, New Jersey is an Open primary this year (none / 0)

NJ should definitely be considered an open primary.  I just got back from the polls.  If you are not registered to a party, you can declare at the polls.  It was as simple as the poll worker marking a "D" (or "R") in a box next to your name and that was that.  Since they don't ask for a party when you register and NJ has never had a meaningful primary in my voting lifetime (it used to be in like June), almost no one on the rolls that I saw had an affiliation next to their name, meaning that, at least in my precinct, basically any one could just show up and vote in whatever primary they want.  I'l change my registration back to unaffiliated after the November election.

I have no idea what impact this will have (if any), just sayin'...


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:49:28 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

i just want the time to speed up, so we can get results already


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:00:56 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Not unusually high activity at polls in NJ this morning.  Most of the Democratic Party bigs in NJ are with Clinton, and the machine usually gets what it wants here.  I had a flyer and a call from Hillary, but did not here from O at all.


by Bob H on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:00:57 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

I did a little looking at the Minnesota caucuses.  Turns out the Presidential preference won't be gauged by numbers of delegates, rather, they are having a Presidential Preferrence Ballot that will be counted separately from the delegate selection.  They are doing it first thing.

So, people can just show up at the caucus, vote in the presidential preference, and then leave.  They are even advertising it that way - show up and vote, then leave if you want.

This spares one from all of the boring resoultions, delegate selection,  and real Democratic stuff that we always do at the caucuses.  This is probably bad for the party but good for the candidate whose supporters are most likely to want to show up and just leave.


by eric the red on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:06:07 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Don't be surprised to hear about massive voting problems in GA tonight. The SoS here in GA changed the polling locations and failed to notify the voters of the location of their new precinct. I don't know which candidate this helps or hurts. Also this is the first primary, iirc, that will be adhering to the new voting laws.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:36:16 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton just called my answering machine.  I picked up the phone and told her to f off, but it turns out it was just a recording.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:46:33 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

With Democrats like you, who needs Republicans?

Classy answer by the way. Would have expected that sort of thing on Michelle Malkin's site.
 


by Mar154 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:05:49 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

See the "independent" in my name?  Know what that means?  I'm NOT a Democrat.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:10:15 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Being polite is not about party affiliation.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:18:41 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (1.00 / 1)

You people are really kind of dumb.  I didn't really tell anyone to f off.  It was a robocall.  Why would Hillary Clinton personally call me, especially considering there's no chance in hell I would vote for her?


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:25:03 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

You're an idiot.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:08:31 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Now a real person from Hillary's campaign just called.  Seriously, how do they get their numbers?  We've never given any money to the Clintons and aren't even Democrats.  And, we're on the no-call list.  Isn't that a violation of some sort?


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:08:35 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

No, political organization can ignore the no-call list.


by kristoph on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:19:15 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

Great.  So is there any way to get them to stop?  It's really kind of annoying.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:27:05 AM EST
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Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

I don't believe any of these polls.  


by orion1 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:05:02 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn (none / 0)

As an Obama fan, I completely disagree. I EXPECT Clinton to win California. What would shock me is if Obama won it.


by keatsheart on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:06:47 AM EST

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i'll wait for the final count before i celebrate.


by JoeySky18 on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:22:13 AM EST

Hillary momentum in Rasmussen internals? (none / 0)

I have been tracking and reverse engineering the Rasmussen daily polling over the past two weeks to see what the daily sampling throws up.

When I did the same to the pre-NH numbers, it turned out that the final-day polling had a dead heat, ie a dramatic shift from BO to HRC. That was hidden among huge numbers for him the two previous days, and did not emerge until after the primary. Bet the Rasmussen guys were kicking themselves :)

Today it looks like the wind could be turning against Obama yet again:

Ras    Polling             Tracker    
    HRC    BO         HRC      BO

25-Jan    40    30          
26-Jan    40    32          
27-Jan    40    31         40      31
28-Jan    42    33         41      32
29-Jan    40    32         41      32
30-Jan    44    41         42      35
31-Jan    46    37         43      37
01-Feb    45    34         45      37
02-Feb    56    43         49      38
03-Feb    38    43         46      40
04-Feb    47    35         47      40

Note: with the exception of the weekend, which was by necessity skewed because of normal Saturday bias as well as the Superbowl, the numbers are remarkably consistent.


by Nordicus on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:24:48 AM EST

Re: Primary Morn & Delegates based on Polling? (none / 0)

Hi folks...the horse races in the states are fun to look at .... but what of the projected delegates?  What do the current #'s mean in terms of delegate awards?  

Consider this before you vote: Its not the race or gender of the Captain that best predicts the success of a ship's voyage.  It is the navigated COURSE and the VISION of the Skipper that predicates the vessel's journey.  There is only one candidate that has shown leadership and unity and an innate integrity that we need to command and guide our nation into a new age...that candidate is Barack Obama

Also...consider further...HRC was supposed to have this thing WRAPPED UP.  The fact the Obama has forced the issue to a possible convention decision is A HUGE WIN for him!!!


by a gunslinger on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:57:12 AM EST


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