Bad Field Poll is a campaign contribution to Obama (update)

There are so many examples of how the polling industry needs reform. They have a glut of polls from non-consequential times, no polling at crucial moments, and then misreport results at other times.

The California Field poll is an example:
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/ 1/30/321121.html

The poll was based on a telephone survey of 511 likely voters in the Democratic primary was conducted between Jan. 25 -Feb. 1.

The results show Clinton 36 obama 34.
Here's the lead in the newspaper:

""A startling surge of support for Barack Obama has catapulted the Illinois senator into a virtual tie with Hillary Rodham Clinton in California's Democratic presidential primary, a Field Poll released Saturday shows."""

Here are my issues:

1. This poll began surveys 5 days before Edwards left the race
2. This poll began 6 days before a historic debate
3 This poll spans ONE FULL WEEK

  1. This poll reports the full Obama South Carolina/Kennedy bounce at a time when it has faded
  2. People are using this poll to corroborate Zogby's polls which themselves are unbelievable
  3. It wasn't startling after the 2 weeks Obama had in Jan.

The end result is that it inspires Senator Obama's people to work harder. It gives the media their most desired "neck and neck" storyline.

The problem is: IT'S NOT NECK AND NECK from all available evidence.
I haven't seem any post debate polls both on the state or national level that haven't shown a Hillary surge.
We all know before the debate IT WAS NECK AND NECK and I SAID SO. Since then, to my delight the evidence from Rasmussen , Gallup, and a slew of state polls conducted after the debate show good news.
Of course Zogby could be right and the others wrong about the last 2 days. But on some blogs people are using the Field Poll as evidence that Zogby's not alone. Zogby tested 1/31 - 2/2 while the field tested 1/25 - 2/1.
The Field Poll is just advertising for Senator Obama. It is political spin.
That is one reason why I don't support campaign finance reform because it doesn't include the media. Plus I believe in freedom of speech. But if everyone else is going to be regulated, the media and the polling outfits should also.

Here is a "nonpartisan" poll which has a great reputation that is injecting itself into the debate by releasing data from a favorable Obama time into a period that is favorable for Clinton.
Look at the manipulation that can occur:
Since no one knows when they are "in the field" they can extend or shorten their work to "shape" the results. In this case, pro Obama would be older dates, and pro Clinton would be newer dates.
Had we known beforehand what they were going to do then they would be have to stay with that plan. Also, they don't have to report the results if they don't like them, or they can minimize their importance.

Either way, the papers that report this without the big caveats that came with Hillary's Florida win (remember no delegates) are contributing to the Obama campaign and should have to follow the same rules as everyone else.

I don't think this other polls (I think are bad) can change an election. It will probably help Senator Clinton in the end if it motivates her people even more.
If this is the worst the MSM does until Tuesday, I'll sign for that right now.

I have the credibility to write this diary as on the day of the debate, my diary was:
"dogfight for dem nom"
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/31/1393 7/5316#commenttop

I can honestly say, I feel the race is over, and we should rally early around the ticket of
Clinton-Obama 2008.

(update) msnbc and mason-dixon have done a similar thing: They released a batch of state polls from 1/30 - feb1. The surveys start before the debate. http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/920176.html They all show clinton leading except Georgia. But it makes no sense to release this information, unless you let people know that the poll began before the biggest event of the campaign



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False Premise there... (none / 0)

But sources in both camps yesterday suggested that there was no real prospect of what many Democrats regard as a "dream team" and that neither would be prepared to accept second best.

Obama catching up with Clinton


k/o: politics and local blogs
by kid oakland on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:09:08 AM EST

Re: False Premise there... (none / 0)

The Corporate Owned Media limited our choices to 2 Corporate Owned Democrats.
Now the COM is whipping up a frenzy for the "dream team" they've chosen.

Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:30:17 AM EST
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Re: False Premise there... (none / 0)

All things VP are strategy for the nominee and the party.

Neither campaign is going to lay all their cards out and talk of the other as the potential VP at this point especially when they're both doing so well.  If they did, I would question the campaigns.

(The Republican campaigns haven't been as robust as the Democrats, and I haven't seen them talking about VPs at this point.)

That quote is the campaigns' strategy.  That quote is the joker card.


"The 'Gay Agenda' has indeed been revealed, and it bears a remarkable resemblance to the U.S. Constitution." ~Donna Minnis
by Decided Voter on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:59:59 AM EST
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there is zero percent (none / 0)

that obama would decline the v.p. nomination.

I know the black community. I am in the black community.

With all the pressure I've felt to support obama for president is not going away.

WE all thought Jesse should have gotten the v.p. nod.  Dukasis was going to lose anyway. It would have trailblazed a path.   But thinking back, people would have blamed Jesse so we were wrong.

Obama would never get the support of AA again if he turned down the VP offer.

The pressure from other democrats also would be for him to do "what's right for the party".

How could a unifier not unify?

Obviously you don't admit that 2 days before the primary.

Hello??

but its' a done deal.

clinton obama 2008


by yellowdem1129 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:15:43 AM EST

Re: there is zero percent (none / 0)

Forget it.  That is a cheap tactical stunt to convince Obama leaners that they can have there cake and eat it too, like Andrew Young's remarks that he has to 'wait his turn.'  Bollocks.  Why should Obama cave to the will of the Clinton spin machine?  We may never have this opportunity again and it is typical manipulation by the Hillary team to put this narrative in play.

After what the Clintons pulled in South Carolina it is also the height of arrogance.  And you have never addressed my objection that in a restoration Clinton White House, with an autocratic Hillary and a Big Dog always seeking attention there would be no room for a capable and intelligent Obama.  Not to mention that both of them can barely conceal their contempt for him.  Where would they put his office?

It is a pretty lame stunt to be promoting this narrative, it is merely another cheap trick to get Hillary nominated at all costs.  Look what the Clintons did to Gore, do you need any other reason to dismiss the idea as damaging to Obama's career, which is otherwise quite promising?  Just how stupid do you think he and his supporters are?


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:33:14 AM EST
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V.P.'s rarely matter but Obama (none / 0)

would because he would be the "good cop" that everyone in the msm and congress would love.

while Hill and Bill would be loathed as usual.

He would get credit for passing sweeping legislation by keeping Democrats working together with Republicans.

Obama would truly be President of Senate as the Constitution envisions.

Once again He would make history by redining the role.

It is a perfect complement.

Clinton Obama 2008


by yellowdem1129 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:36:11 AM EST
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Re: V.P.'s rarely matter but Obama (none / 0)

Forget it, a cheap electoral trick by the Clinton machine to neutralise a legitimate opponent.  Where did you pick this up, at www.hillaryis44.com?  Why don't you stop attempting to derail Obama's campaign and promote your own candidate if you think she is so terrific?  Find one single scrap of evidence that Obama wouldn't tell Hillary to go suck eggs, as I hope and assume he would certainly do.

Sheesh, you Hillary supporters are shameless.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:47:08 AM EST
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Re: there is zero percent (none / 0)

I don't understand why in the world he wouldn't take it- if they won, he would be practically assured of the next open Primary nomination- it sounds crazy to me- a lot of other rising "stars" could come forth during that time-this would be an advantage.


by reasonwarrior on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:41:11 AM EST
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Re: Bad Field Poll is a campaign contribution to O (none / 0)

The newspaper needed a headline. Wouldnt you agree?


by Safe at Home on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:19:55 AM EST

it is a contribution to obama (none / 0)

come on, deal with the facts,

a poll taken 5 days before Edwards leaves the race?

before the debate?

They should have written a story without the poll information.  Or better yet did a poll on feb. 1 and feb.2.


by yellowdem1129 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 07:24:02 AM EST

Re: Bad Field Poll is a campaign contribution to O (none / 0)

I know that this is one of the most respected CA pollsters out there, but the thing I don't get is the 18% undecideds.

Let's say that one third of CA voters have already cast ballots by mail, which seems about right.  Those people can't be undecided.  So what the poll is claiming is that 18/66.6 or roughly 27%  of those who haven't cast ballots are still undecided?  That seems way high for a state so close to an election in which the candidates have been advertising heavily.  And that's not even factoring in the many Edwards voters who don't show up in the undecided category to begin with (presumably, this is the other 12% of the total that is not mentioned).

It still seems like good news for Obama as there is some confirmation that CA will be a real race.  But I wouldn't get too high or too low about it.


by FuzzyDunlop2 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:26:40 AM EST

mason dixon (none / 0)

has it at 9 points for 1/30-2-1

clinton45 obama 36.

that was correct 2 days ago.

today i think it is even larger.

it still doesn't make sense to publish polls from days before the debate


by yellowdem1129 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 09:11:41 AM EST

Re: mason dixon (none / 0)

Actually, it looks like it's gotten smaller. Rasmussen has a new poll out too showing Obama ahead.


by Progressive America on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:40:50 AM EST
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Re: not so fast (none / 0)

RASMUSSEN POLL:

CA: Obama 45% Clinton 44%
McCain 38% Romney 38%

GA: McCain 31% Romney 29% Huck 28%
Obama 52% Clinton 37%


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 09:59:24 AM EST

link? (none / 0)

Do you have a link for that?  It's not on the Rasmussen website.


by markjay on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 10:34:53 AM EST
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Re: link? (none / 0)

yeah I do. Because Drudgereport always get an advance look of Rasmussen polls b4 they are released. I'll be happy to post the link when it's available.


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:15:27 AM EST
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Rasmussen poll (none / 0)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/california/election_20 08_california_democratic_presidential_pr imary


by del on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:19:16 PM EST
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Re: Bad Field Poll (none / 0)

The media will do anything to push an Obama win.


by reasonwarrior on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:44:16 AM EST


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