Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton

For a while now, it has been confirmed that [prominent blacks] are being threatened to support Obama...even receiving death threats. We all know that Jesse Jackson Jr. has his own part in the threatening. John Lewis has switched from Clinton to Obama, which I think is strongly do to threatening and not actually his own opinion, but that is my own thought and I cannot speak for him.

Anyway, here's the interesting thing. Many African Americans are still supporting Hillary.

African-American superdelegates said Thursday that they'll stand up against threats, intimidation and "Uncle Tom" smears rather than switch their support from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to Sen. Barack Obama.

There showing an awesome example of courage! A wonderful virtue it is. Here, Rep. Cleaver makes an interesting point, which I believe very strongly:

"If white people were being harassed and threatened because they were not supporting a white candidate, we'd see headlines," he said.

In this statement, my concern is addressed. There is truly a double standard in America. Why is it that many of the racist things that some black people do are not held in the same heinous light in which white racist actions are? It has never made any sense to me. As an African American, this has concerned me since I first began to realize it couple of years ago.

Here's the link:
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?u uid=62619699-3048-5C12-001FF2E54D94FE36

I also found another interesting thing from the Burlington Press (I accessed it through Hillary's website.)Why I really embraced the article was because it has 100 REASONS TO VOTE FOR HILLARY.

Reason #1 to support Hillary:
In Arkansas she was instrumental in straightening out their school system - taking it from one of the worst systems to a role model used by other troubled schools on how to improve public education.

Reason #2 to support Hillary:
In 2006, she led the fight to kill the anti-gay Republican constitutional amendment that for the first time would have added laws to the Constitution that would INCREASE discrimination

Reason #3 to support Hillary:
After being pummeled by the public for trying to pass Universal Health care while she was First Lady, she dusted herself off and in 1997, led a federal effort that provided insurance support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.

Reason #4 to Support Hillary:
She was able to secure a raise in research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

Reason #5 to Support Hillary:
She initiated the Adoption and Safe Families Act

Reason #6 to Support Hillary:
She's authored a great deal of legislation during her years on the Armed Services Committee that has passed regarding increased and improved benefits for our returning Iraq veterans.

Reason #7 to Support Hillary:
She was one of the key Senators who fought to give our military badly needed raises and increase in benefits. For being such flag wavers, it was the Republicans and Bush who resisted these attempts to show our military how much we value and appreciate them.

Reason #8 to Support Hillary:
Since 1974 she has been fighting for a woman's right to choose.

Reason #9 to Support Hillary:
She is fighting to lift the ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases.

Reason #10 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)

Reason #11 to Support Hillary:
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)

Reason #12 to Support Hillary:
Vows to protect next generation by paying off national debt.

Reason #13 to Support Hillary:
Fought in Congress to "Help people facing foreclosure; don't just bail-out banks." (Aug 2007)

Reason #14 to Support Hillary:
In 1962 she met MLK Jr. preaching a sermon in Chicago and learned from him the importance of equal rights for all.

Reason #15 for Supporting Hillary:
In 1965 she brought black classmates to her until-then all-white church.

Reason #16 to Support Hillary:
Since 1995 has criticized China's human rights abuses.

Reason #17 to Support Hillary:
IN 1988 Instituted gender diversity Report Card within the American Bar Association, which sets standards for lawyers in the U.S.

Reason #18 to Support Hillary:
In 1972 worked as a lawyer suing white-only schools, working with Marian Wright Edelman on enforcing school desegregation in the South.

Reason #19 to Support Hillary:
In October, 2000 she said it's not enough for America just to apologize for slavery and move on; we need to concentrate on civil rights now.

Reason #20 to Support Hillary:
Has been pushing for a "Privacy Bill of Rights" for all Americans since 2000.

While I don't agree with every reason, it put's to rest the idea that Hillary is selfish and does nothing for the people. She's not perfect, but she's not completely consumed in herself like she's made out to be.

You can read the actual article and the other 80 reasons (on the right side)here:
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/ pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/OPINION/8 02280326/1006

Enjoy! :)



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Good diary (2.00 / 9)

I am also troubled with the pressure put on some of the black SDs. I believe it would be a huge story in the press and on the blogs if pressure was being put on white and women SDs to move to Hillary Clinton.

Also, you list some good points for pushing WHY to vote for Hillary Clinton.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:28:15 PM EST

Re: This is not the Obama campaign (none / 0)

Read the linked story.  There is not one word to suggest that the Obama campaign has done anything to threaten anyone. Here is what the story says.

"Cleaver said he did not believe the Obama campaign was behind the disturbing e-mails and phone calls he has received.

"I refuse to believe that Sen. Obama gave orders for something like this to happen. This is a contradiction of the new politics that Sen. Obama is running on," he said. "My fear is with all of the nastiness, we're going to have a whole lot of kissing and making up to do as a party."

It is a smear for you to suggest otherwise.


by upper left on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:08:30 PM EST
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The idea (2.00 / 0)

that anyone can intimidate John Lewis can only be entertained by someone without any idea of who he is, and what he is done.


by fladem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:34:00 PM EST
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Re: No death threats to SDs have been made (none / 0)

I tend to agree that we shouldn't be raising this specter without confirmed reports. But I do find cause for concern if the Obama campaign, and JJJ in particular, are leaning on the black superdelegates to switch to Obama or become Obama supporters in the first place, out of a sense of racial solidarity or pride.

I would say the same if the Clinton campaign were using similar tactics with white or female superdelegates.


by dr benway on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 06:03:29 PM EST
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Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 3)

Understood, but unfortunately, those relatively few do so much damage.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:30:19 PM EST

Exactly who has been threatened (none / 0)

with death?  Credible source, please.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:35:31 PM EST
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Re: Exactly who has been threatened (2.00 / 1)

Smiley even mentioned getting death threats, but wouldn't elaborate.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2008/02/16/black_commenter_criticizing_ ob_1.html

I think that's a credible source.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:47:44 PM EST
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Re: "But wouldn't elaborate..." (2.00 / 1)

Because he's not a superdelegate, it's not a big deal? I believe that's not what you intended to mean, but it does seem implied.

Smiley criticized Obama, and is now getting threats. That's not a big deal? I thought in a democracy, it was okay to criticize people constructively.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:56:50 PM EST
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Of Course It's A Big Deal... (none / 0)

And it should be investigated just like any death threat.  

But that doesn't mean it should be linked to perfectly legitimate lobbying of super delegates like Jesse Jackson is doing, nor should one imply that these kinds of threats were responsible for the changing positions of various super delegates like John Lewis, and it certainly shouldn't be linked to the Obama campaign.  You did all three in the space of a single sentence at the start of this diary, and it is at best dishonest.


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:03:24 PM EST
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Re: Wait, he's not a superdelegate!?! (2.00 / 1)

From article:

"This is the politics of the 1950s," he complained. "A lot of members are experiencing a lot of ugly stuff. They're not going to talk about it, but it's happening."

Ugly stuff entails that the threats are not merely political, but if you desire that I change the diary, I will.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:37:37 PM EST
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Re: "But wouldn't elaborate..." (none / 0)

I always enjoy when someone pushes and pushes for confirmation of something posted here, and then when they get multiples sources backing the claims up.. they do the "so what?" thing.  

Yes, death threats, threats of losing their position, ugly emails, and threatening phone calls, it's all happening. And it is confirmed all over the place.  

I can't imagine why anyone would support a candidate that inspires that kind of behavior.  Honestly.. Obama and his movement remind me more and more of George Bush and his ilk every day. And David Axelrod has his eye on that coveted office Rove occuppied in Bush's White House.  Another White House run by political advisors.  Oh joy.


by Catriley sez on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:20:52 PM EST
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Just so we're clear about this (none / 0)

You're accusing the Obama campaign of issuing death threats to Tavis Smiley?


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:56:26 PM EST
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Re: No, I'm questioning the content of the diary (2.00 / 2)

If you are serious about receiving a source of information to clear this up then talk with Emanuel Cleaver. He has stated in many interviews that he knows black superdelegates that have received death threats. This isn't something being made up to smear Obama. This information is coming from a man with an unimpeachable integrity. Check it out for yourself if you are really interested.


by Fleaflicker on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:24:53 PM EST
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Is this valid enough? (2.00 / 1)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2008/02/16/black_commenter_criticizing_ ob_1.html

"There's all this talk of hater, sellout and traitor," Smiley said to me in a telephone interview. Smiley even mentioned getting death threats, but wouldn't elaborate. He said his office has been flooded with angry e-mails. "I have family in Indianapolis. They are harassing my momma, harassing my brother. It's getting to be crazy," Smiley said.


by Fleaflicker on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:27:37 PM EST
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Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 1)

I didn't think you were belittling or excusing their behavior. I was just pointing out the fact that a small few, can cause a lot of problems.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:50:00 PM EST
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Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

"Its the Race Hustlers like Jackson who are trying to shove a Black man for President up everyone's butt."

You really want comments like this in your diary?


by Cobalt on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:20:47 PM EST
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Clearly. (2.00 / 0)

This is very obviously a troll.  

The moderators really need to crack down on the Republicans filling the diary section up with this stuff.  They've let the prevailing pro-Clinton attitude here shift into an anti-Obama attidute, and now a general anti-Democrat thing.  These Obama attack posts are continuing well past the point that it's pretty well assured he'll be our party's nominee.

They're already posting pro-McCain comments. I'm just waiting for the first pro-McCain diaries to start showing up from them.  


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:32:32 PM EST
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Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 3)

It's nice to see some good people stand up to preserve the principle.  This is the kind of politician that we want in the office.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:49:21 PM EST

Disgusting. (2.00 / 2)

"For a while now, it has been confirmed that black superdelegates are being threatened to support Obama...even receiving death threats. We all know that Jesse Jackson Jr. has his own part in the threatening. John Lewis has switched from Clinton to Obama, which I think is strongly do to threatening and not actually his own opinion, but that is my own thought and I cannot speak for him."
You know, conflating the lobbying of superdelegates by the campaigns, such as what Jesse Jackson and Clinton backers are doing, with the one or two reports of random death threats from anonymous letter writers and phone calls is ridiculous.  

And it's even more ridiculous to imply that John Lewis, a great man who stood up and fought for our  rights and was nearly beaten to death by crowds of racists and the police for it, 'caved' under any of this kind of pressure to support Obama.  

This diary is absolutely disgusting.


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:50:43 PM EST

Re: Disgusting. (2.00 / 2)

I deeply affected by your statements. I have no doubt that John Lewis is a courageous man. And I had no intention of bashing him. I was simply stating the fact that I believe that threats he has been receiving has affected his decision. That doesn't make him any less remarkable. I am sorry that you feel that way about my diary.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:54:58 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting. (2.00 / 1)

I deeply affected by your statements. I have no doubt that John Lewis is a courageous man. And I had no intention of bashing him. I was simply stating the fact that I believe that threats he has been receiving has affected his decision. That doesn't make him any less remarkable. I am sorry that you feel that way about my diary.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:55:59 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting. (none / 0)

"Frankly, this is were Latinos & Asians have a BIG DISCONNECT with the Black community.
Its again, the SAME MENTALITY of " WE DESERVE THIS. People owe black people something".
Its the Victim mentality. The affirmative Action mentality.  
This is the biggest reason Obama will do poorly in the Latino & Asian community in November."

Likewise, you want comments like this in your diary?

Do you realize how close to a terms of service violation this stuff is?


by Cobalt on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:22:16 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting. (2.00 / 1)

Are you saying that my diary is a violation of the terms of service?
Because, if it's because of another poster's comments, then you should talk to them.

by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:32:05 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting. (none / 0)

Its your diary.

I trust you to exercise the good judgment and professionalism to address those issues as the diary's owner.


by Cobalt on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:46:23 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting. (2.00 / 1)

You're right. I'll try to make sure of it.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:54:14 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting. (2.00 / 2)

Sir or madame, please get a grip... Let the poster state his ideas. Man, after reading the post, I'd thought he'd said something extremely racist. This obviously is common among some Obama supporters--always creating hyperboles out of, otherwise, non-offensive comments... Please get a grip...denial of service...please, man, please.


by Check077 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 06:02:53 AM EST
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When you say that (none / 0)

you show your ignorance of who John Lewis is.

I suggest you read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_(politician)

And then read more about his life.  About the fact that the main that you claim caved to pressure was nearly beaten to death in 1961, and despite this beating continued to believe in non-violence.

Read about his struggles, about the Freedom Marches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Mo ntgomery_marches
Pay close attention to two pictures, one of which shows him leading the non-violent marches into Selma where they were beaten horribly.

And after reading all of that, if you a person of good will, I have no doubt you will deeply ashamed at suggesting that John Lewis did anything but what he thought was right.  


by fladem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:59:34 PM EST
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Re: look (2.00 / 0)

Did you not even read what I wrote?  Jesse Jackson calling you and saying "Hey, 95% of our community is supporting this guy, I know you've been friends with the Clintons for decades, but you gotta listen to the people." is not the same thing as Tavis Smiley (who isn't even a super delegate) saying some random anonymous guy sent him a death threat.  

You're conflating totally different things in an effort to make one look like something it's not.  It's dishonest.  It's disgusting.  And quite frankly, I'm starting to think it's not even coming from actual Clinton supporters, but from GOP trolls.


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:06:20 PM EST
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Re: look (2.00 / 1)

You approve of the threats to mount challenges to elected Black SDs in primaries if they honor their commitments?

What is disgusting is the double standard at play and the notion that some sort of electoral reparations are in order.


by sgary on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:35:06 PM EST
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Reparations? (2.00 / 0)

First it was the affirmative action comments here, then stuff about a 'victim mentality'.  And now, just to top it all off, accusations of Black people wanting 'electoral reparations'?  When did this site's diary section become Freerepublic?


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:39:10 PM EST
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It's a double standard (2.00 / 3)

in the sense that had a white women supporter from the Hillary Clinton Campaign done a similar action towards white women, it would be all over the place as racism. I don't think that Barack Obama is using the "Affirmative Action" mentality to win. But, I think it is a true thing to say that Obama did play victim using his race in South Carolina.

I honestly don't want any harm, I just want to express a thing that I think is a truth. My diary is almost completely innocuous in nature.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:52:08 PM EST
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Re: It's a double standard (none / 0)

My diary is almost completely innocuous in nature.
So I guess you're just concerned about these things, right?


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:21:09 PM EST
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Re: It's a double standard (2.00 / 2)

Yes I am. My mother and I talk about these types of things almost all the time. Furthermore, in my diary, I made no attack on Obama. Why then is my diary still disgusting? If that's the case, then I see no reason why anyone shouldn't right a smear diary. Afterall, the responses will be the same.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:22:18 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting. (2.00 / 4)

John Lewis is a great man. But he is a politician, and he was pressured to drop his support for Clinton or lose his congressional seat.

Jesse Jackson Jr. two weeks ago:

"Many of these guys [black politicians] have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts. So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position" in the future, he added.

I don't know of any way to interpret the words "placing you in a difficult position" other than as a threat.

Then, this from this week's AP article about Lewis' endorsement:

His change of heart follows a similar move by Rep. David Scott, a black Democrat who represents a neighboring district. It also comes a week after the Rev. Markel Hutchins, a young Atlanta minister, announced he would challenge Lewis in the Democratic congressional primary this summer.

There's a very clear cause and effect here. It's no coincidence when the national co-chair of a very wealthy campaign says that you may be put in a "difficult position", and within a couple weeks you suddenly have a "young primary challenger". He was pressured.


by LakersFan on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:09:27 PM EST
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And? (2.00 / 0)

And that has what exactly to do with the implications that these people are suffering death threats from the Obama campaign?

This is politics, every single one of the super delegates is pressured, lobbied, and gamed.  You don't think the same concerns are going though the heads of those who endorsed Clinton?  This is the reason most delegates don't even choose a side until the winner is pretty well agreed upon by the party.  No one wants to be the guy who supported the loser, and more importantly no one wants to be the guy that didn't support the winner who's now in charge.

It's not the talk of campaigning and pressuring of the super delegates I object to, it's the attempts to tie racism and these threats into this by various trolls like this diary's author.


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:24:43 PM EST
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Re: And? (2.00 / 2)

Jesse Jackson Jr. didn't threaten all politicians who didn't vote the same as their district. His threat was only directed at black politicians who weren't supporting Obama. That's the racist part.

I never said anyone was getting death threats. I was only responding to you saying that John Lewis would never cave into pressure. He did and it's very sad.


by LakersFan on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 07:38:57 PM EST
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It Wasn't a Threat. (2.00 / 0)

Jesse Jackson was asked by the AP about the dilemma a lot of Black politicians were faced with right now- namely, that many of them threw their support behind Hillary early on based on their long time friendships with the Clintons, but were now faced with constituents who had voted overwhelmingly (90%+) for someone else.  Do they now stick with the person they endorse early on, or do they back the person their constituents want?  

Jackson explained that dilemma to the AP, and some of the thinking behind why some of these superdelegates were switching now.

That wasn't a threat, and if you had put the quote in it's proper context, that would have been clear.  However you didn't put it in context, you took it out of context in an attempt to portray Jesse Jackson as some sort of Obama campaign enforcer running around threating to oust any Black politician who dared back Senator Clinton.  It's quite simply dishonest, just like this entire diary.


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:40:18 PM EST
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Re: It Wasn't a Threat. (2.00 / 2)

When that article came out, I wrote a diary about the AP article that had Jackson Jr's full quote in context. He was actively "encouraging" black superdelegates to switch and it is dishonest to pretend that he was simply explaining their dilemma.

What part of "placing you in a difficult position" doesn't sound like a threat to you? It sounded like a threat when he said it, and that was before there was a "young challenger" to Lewis' seat. It's not a coincidence that within two two weeks a young challenger emerged and Lewis switched.

Jackson Jr. is Obama's national co-chair. When he speaks about the presidential election, he is working as an Obama enforcer. And he only made his threat against black politicians. There is nothing dishonest about my post at all.


by LakersFan on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:06:35 PM EST
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And You Did It Again... (none / 0)

"placing you in a difficult position"

You apparently forgot to put that in context once again.  You pulled half that sentence out to make it look like it was being addressed to these politicians, rather than being part of a longer answer directed to an AP reporter.

And again, it wasn't a threat, and it wasn't directed towards Black politicians.  He was answering an AP reporter's question about some of the Black superdelegates who were switching to Obama.

Feel free to keep right on playing that game though.  


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:19:19 PM EST
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Re: And You Did It Again... (2.00 / 2)

"placing you in a difficult position" in its full context doesn't sound any better. But here it is:

One black supporter of Clinton, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri, said he remains committed to her. "There's nothing going on right now that would cause me to" change, he said...

...In an interview, Cleaver offered a glimpse of private conversations.

He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate? ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?

"I told him I'd think about it," Cleaver concluded.

Jackson, an Obama supporter, confirmed the conversation, and said the dilemma may pose a career risk for some black politicians. "Many of these guys have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts. So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position" in the future, he added.

It was a directed specifically towards black politicians. Feel free to keep ignoring the truth, but don't accuse me of distorting it.


by LakersFan on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:29:19 AM EST
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Disgusting (none / 0)

indeed, is suggesting John Lewis is just another politician.  Read the links provided above.

He deserves better than to have his intentions, or his bravery, called into question.


by fladem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 04:01:21 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting (none / 0)

You must have skipped the first line of my post, which was:

"John Lewis is a great man. But he is a politician, and he was pressured to drop his support for Clinton or lose his congressional seat."


by LakersFan on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 06:22:06 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting. (2.00 / 2)

Did you see John Lewis' interview??  He said that switching was the hardest thing he's ever done.. harder than the march, harder than being beaten. He talked of his love and friendship for the Clintons, and how this was tearing him apart.  He was pressured, he was threatened with losing everything he worked for. They threatened him with a 30 year old challenger that came out and said Lewis needs to step aside, because he's not "of the hip hop generation" that supports Obama.  If you saw his face when he talked about switching, you can see the pressure he was under.  He talked about it before the switch.  


by Catriley sez on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:25:55 PM EST
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Re: Disgusting. (2.00 / 1)

I agree that the manner in which these people are being pressured is pretty off the charts. That being said for as brave a man John Lewis is I have to believe that, as hard as the decision was, a lot more went into it than fear of a 30 year old primary challenger.

He has stood up, in his life, to much bigger threats to "everything he has worked for" than a primary challenge.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:00:54 PM EST
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What is disgusting (none / 0)

is suggesting that Lewis made his switch because he was intimidated.

To so suggest is to denigrate who he is, and what has stood.

In fact, the more I think about this, the  more insulting the notion becomes.

What is profoundly insulting here is you inability to accept the fact that he made the decision to switch based on his own judgment of the relative merits of the candidates.  

He deserves better than this.  


by fladem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:39:25 PM EST
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'Dem4Life' My Ass. (2.00 / 1)

"Its the Victim mentality."?  "The affirmative Action mentality."?  This is straight-up right-wing bullshit.  I don't buy for one moment the idea that you're a Democrat.


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 06:57:41 PM EST

I am Asian (none / 0)

I have no idea who you are, but if I had to guess, I would think that you are a Republican troll.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:04:38 PM EST

Except... (none / 0)

Crossover voting isn't significantly higher this season than in past elections, and even if it was, Obama has repeatedly won the Democratic vote.

But feel free to continue trotting out the  anecdotes as proof of some vast right wing conspiracy to elect Senator Obama.


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:02:10 PM EST
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Re: Except... (2.00 / 3)

Obama has NOT repeatedly won the Democratic vote.  In Wisconsin, yes, but CNN carried a report that showed Hillary Clinton having substantially more votes from registered Democrats than Obama does.  This "open" primary scheme is ripe for abuse.  We're letting Independents and Republicans pick the Democratic candidate.  And the majority of those Republicans are saying they plan to vote for McCain in the GE.  What a farce.  


by miriam on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:50:55 AM EST
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I have heard of these threats (none / 0)

In fact, they have occurred on both sides. In my opinion, they are just the result of a few overzealous supporters. I think that after Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama, NOW put out a press release bashing him for supposedly being anti-feminist (or something of that nature - I'm going from memory here.)

However, I think its just stupid to say that John Lewis switched his support because of threats. Do you know what sorts of things he suffered from white racists during the Civil Rights movement? You can still see many of the scars on his head today. I think we can trust that John Lewis is the type of person who would make decisions out of principle, and not out of fear. He is one of the politicians whom I most respect, because of that.


John McCain
by MILiberal on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:06:33 PM EST

Re: I have heard of these threats (none / 0)

Did you see his interview about making the decision???  He said that it was HARDER than the march, harder than the beatings. He was forced to leave behind people he loved (the Clintons) because of this.


by Catriley sez on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:27:25 PM EST
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Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Great diary! Thanks so much.  


by India on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:12:29 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (1.83 / 6)

Yes... there is somehow this strange double standard going on that I don't think we'll be able to appreciate until a good deal of time has passed...Hillary fights on...and wow, do I respect her for that...as I also respect those who are able to stand by their convictions in spite of the unwarranted pressures put upon them...John Lewis may be more emotionally damaged than any can realize...and what a shame...he has been a such a hard working champion for racial equality...not a just a well-spoken(i.e. silver-tongued) newcomer who, apparently, thinks it's fine to destroy anyone who stands in his way. If one were to look at history,over the years Bill and Hillary Clinton have worked harder than BO for the civil rights of African Americans ...what a sham and a shame, what's going on here...susanclare


by susanclare on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:49:02 PM EST

John Lewis is 'Emotionally Damaged'? (2.00 / 2)

Yet another disgusting comment in this diary.  


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 08:52:51 PM EST

Re: John Lewis is 'Emotionally Damaged'? (none / 0)

I would most assuredly be "emotionally damaged" if I recieved threats like he's recieving.


by HillaryKnight08 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:45:21 PM EST
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Re: John Lewis is 'Emotionally Damaged'? (2.00 / 1)

John Lewis was beaten half to death for standing up for our rights, he can handle someone telling him to vote with his constituents, and someone else telling him to vote for his friend.

He talked very clearly about why he originally endorsed Hillary, and why he decided to switch to Obama.  It had nothing to do with any of these 'threats' you keep mentioning.  


by Brillobreaks on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:55:24 PM EST
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Re: John Lewis is 'Emotionally Damaged'? (2.00 / 1)

BS. He talked about how the march and the beatings were easier than this decision and the pressure he's under to change.  He talked about having to leave behind people he loves (the Clintons) to make the change.  He did not want to change his suport. Before he made his change he talked about being threatened that he'd lose everything if he didn't switch. They had a 30 year old obama supporter announce that he'd run against him and that Lewis needs to step aside because he's out of touch for not supporting Obama.  If you see the interviews, John Lewis is in a lot of emotional pain over this. He did not want to do it... he has been friends with the Clintons for years and years.


by Catriley sez on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:30:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Keep talking (none / 0)

with each word you are making yourself appear absurd.  

You don't know who he is.


by fladem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:42:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 1)

uprated because the comment does not deserve to be zero rated.


by Fleaflicker on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 09:37:50 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 0)

All six of them?


by Drummond on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 10:32:30 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 2)

SuperDelegates have been around since at least 1972, doing precisely what they're charged with doing in this election: make choices for the good of the Democratic party, based on their closer knowledge of the candidates.  

Why is it that this is the first election in 36 years where they are being bullied/harassed/ threatened & worse?  Why is the assumption being made that they must follow the voters, when we have expressly asked them to exercise their judgment as experienced, professional politicians?

As this week has progressed and Sen. Obama has been revealed as a duplicitous liar, I have become sickened.  But his actions toward his own people---honestly, I am now afraid for us all.  I'm counting on my family & friends in Texas, and voters in Ohio, Vermont, & Rhode Island to stop this.


by tj in tx on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 10:53:08 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 1)

The story must have some truth to it and some legs; CNN has picked it up and run with it.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/o bama.defections/index.html


by americanincanada on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 11:11:48 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (1.50 / 4)

americanincanada--You must know by now that facts mean nothing to Obama's supporters.  They will blindly defend his every move, because they have no interest in hearing anything they perceive as even slightly negative thing about him.  They have too much emotionally invested in him to allow the least criticism and will vilify anyone who tries to shed some light on this politician.  I've lived through a great many elections and I've never, ever seen anything that remotely compares to this infatuation with a man about whom so little is known.


by miriam on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:05:11 AM EST
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Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (1.50 / 4)

Completely asinine.  You seem far too intelligent and articulate to make sweeping generalizations like this.  Is there any substantive difference between saying this and saying "everyobody who disagrees with me is either stupid or insane?"  It's better writing to be sure, but as one who warns against the dangers of silver tongues, you of all people ought to know that substance is far more important than style.  I look forward to reading more of your writing.


by carloseljefe on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:25:07 AM EST
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Re: Much of this infatuation is driven by (2.00 / 0)

Your rating notwithstanding, I would hardly consider mysely an Obama troll, and I think that the record in this case supports me.  For the past month, I have read diary after diary, comment after comment implying that the supporters of [insert any candidate whom I do not support here] are stupid or crazy or fanatical or any other pejorative adjective that can be imagined.  In point of fact, although I do support Obama for reasons that transcend fanaticism (See e.g., Richard Neustadt), I also have troll-rated and admonished Obama supporters whose comments are too strident.

Before you judge me too harshly, read the post that I was criticizing.  She obviously is a good writer (as was your handle's namesake), yet she was practicing the same art that she was speaking out against.  In her case, it was using incredibly pejorative language and sweeping generalizations to support a position that I think is pretty well untenable.  While I have no doubt that what she describes may be true of certain Obama supporters (and indeed, most supporters of any politician or idea; to wit, Bush has 19% support even now), I categorically reject the notion that all Obama supporters are anything.

I have a master's degree in policy, I have lived in "the real world" for at least a few years, I have lived in two completely unalike parts of this country, I have travelled and studied abroad, I was alive and well (and cognizant) during the Nirvana 90s, and I am currently attending a top law school (which I think implies at least a bit of cynicism).  Do you see why maybe I am getting tired of comments stating or implying that all Obama supporters are...well...anything?

I will refrain from returning your (baseless) troll rating favor only because I wish you to remember that, no matter which candidate prevails, we are all on the same side in this struggle.  In the event that Clinton pulls it off, I will gladly listen to facts and reason and vote for her in November, because she better represents my views than does McCain.  I hope that your view is as reasoned and pragmatic.


by carloseljefe on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:05:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Either prove (2.00 / 0)

the threats are coming from the Obama campaign, or retract your statement.

You are accusing the Obama campaign of threatening violence against super-delegates.

Prove it is coming from them, or leave this site.


by fladem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:45:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't know how to imbed a video here, but.... (none / 0)

...for those who haven't seen it yet, there's a message from Maya on this link:

http://www.taylormarsh.com/hot_topics.ph p#1661

Enjoy!


by River103 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:11:36 AM EST

Re: I do not believe that reverse racism is as (none / 0)

"when there was no statistical evidence."

Honestly, I am just confused by this statement.  Even were I to accept everything else in your comment as true, I would not get the point of statistical evidence. What statistical evidence would you suggest as evidence of racism.

Should Obama have sent a survey out asking people if they perceived that there had been racist attacks?  Should the FEC have implemented a longitudinal study to examine the trends of racism in primary elections?

I'm not trying to be snarky, I just am at a complete loss to understand what statistical evidence you are looking for that would have been in any way pertinent?

To throw my own two cents in, it seems to me that such claims are far more qualitative than quantitative, so I am not sure that statistics could or would substantiate these claims.


by carloseljefe on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:13:48 AM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

You may mean a very small amount that is bashing her openly...but there are plurality who support this detestable behavior.  I, so, happen to be an African American...there's a great deal of racial preference (or preference).


by Check077 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 05:56:55 AM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 1)

Google the article from 2/29's Houston Press titled "Obama and me" from a young reporter in Chicago during the early years when Obama first became a state legislator. It is an eye opener!


by glennmcgahee on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 08:11:54 AM EST

I'm a black American. I don't support Hillary. (2.00 / 0)

I wonder how you folks are going to turn around and support Obama after all of this anger at him.

I'm guessing a lot of you will vote Nader or McCain.

Am I right?


by illlaw1 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 10:37:45 AM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 2)

I thought the great thing that Cleaver also said was when he asked about why Kennedy and Kerry have not switched to Hillary, if the rationale for the superdelegates being pressured to abandon Clinton is because of what their constituents voted.

They are perverting the role of the super delegate. They are demanding that his white supporters be colorblind, but the AA super delegates and voters must support him because of his race. The infamous line "do you want to be the last person that stands in the way of electing the first AA president?" posed to John Lewis says it all.  His candidcay is a statement, but they forget that his presidency affects all of us, and the entire world. He's not ready and I'm not willing to take a chance on another image-based candidate just to make a statement about racism (which is ironic because the actions of those intimidating the super delegates can clearly be construed as racist.)  

The thing that makes no sense to me is this attitude that all African Americans need to support Obama because of his race.  If Obama's looks resembled the physical characteristics of his Irish mother, would this be an issue?


by Catriley sez on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:10:58 PM EST

The evidence does not support this diary. (2.00 / 0)

The exit polls in pretty much every state contradict the premise of this diary.


by Hudson on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 12:53:50 PM EST

Re: This is not the Obama campaign (2.00 / 0)


Read the linked story.  There is not one word to suggest that the Obama campaign has done anything to threaten anyone. Here is what the story says.

"Cleaver said he did not believe the Obama campaign was behind the disturbing e-mails and phone calls he has received.

"I refuse to believe that Sen. Obama gave orders for something like this to happen. This is a contradiction of the new politics that Sen. Obama is running on," he said. "My fear is with all of the nastiness, we're going to have a whole lot of kissing and making up to do as a party."

It is a smear for you to suggest otherwise.


by upper left on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:10:52 PM EST

Re: This is not the Obama campaign (none / 0)

I never said once in my diary that it was.


by HillaryKnight08 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:41:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is not the Obama campaign (2.00 / 0)

It certainly seems to be implied.  I appreciate you clarifying that this was not your intent.


by upper left on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:22:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 2)

from cnn

    But other African-American politicians find the shifting loyalties disturbing.

   "With all due respect to my colleagues, whoever you are, I firmly believe if you don't have loyalty and integrity, what do you have? ... I am a woman of my word. I will not leave her," said Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones.

   Neither will California Rep. Diane Watson, though she said she's received not only pressure, but also threatening e-mails. "We can disagree. But I don't think that's a cause for viciousness and for launching a campaign against me," Watson said.


We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are. -Anais Nin
by dubhe on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 01:24:36 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

I know just what will win Clinton back the support of the black voters that she lost in the last 12 months -- calling Jesse Jackson a "race hustler."


by scvmws on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:38:37 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 1)

That's an awfully low opinion of Rep. Lewis.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 02:40:07 PM EST

Wow (none / 0)

Jesse Jackson is a race hustler.

Hmmm, and you are a Democrat ???


by fladem on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:34:56 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (2.00 / 1)

There are many different situations that have happened in this campaign that are quite disturbing - had Senator Clinton or her campaign done any of them- she would not be making her last stand in Texas and Ohio

Mark Penn ties to Exelon- translates to 0.00 dollars in campaign contributions
Obama and Axelrod ties to Exelon- translates into $177,000.00 in campaign donations

Obama refuses/makes sure/goes out of his way to tell SF Mayor Willie Brown that he does not want to be photographed with Gavin Newsome.

Hillary writes an open letter to the LGBT community in beginning of Feb

Obama writes an open letter to the LGBT community at the END of Feb.

Obama stumps through SC with Rev. McClurkin-

www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

Thanks for the post-


by darlamc on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 03:52:48 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Well, somebody (Freedom is not Free) I think wisely asked:  "Is Ted Kennedy and John Kerry going to listen to their constituents and vote for Clinton?"  That was on the politico site--but it seems even that site is greatly limiting thoughtful replies.  So since my reply got "killed in moderation" there, I thought I'd report it here.  But in doing so, I'd also like to thank HillaryKnight08 for pointing out "just a few" of Hillary's many accomplishments.  And as is so often the case, and hinted at by many throughout this thread, it is often a few squeaky wheels in any group that tend to be most verbal that get the proverbial grease (or in this case press coverage).  And I guess this Primary is no different.

I believe the question I quoted also once again highlights a bigger issue as well.  As a now frequent watcher of the election news shows and of these various online news sites, I've yet to see one talking head on any of the new shows or purportedly "unbiased" journalists reporting on this election in the news to ask this very same question--in fact, the only mention I've seen of it was by one of Hillary's male African American supporters mentioning it on CNN the other night--not that the host opted to actually discuss it at all unfortunately.  Yet we all know how much press the issue of African American delegates being pressured to vote for Obama is getting (as well as how much one influential switch from Clinton to Obama due to the voting of his district rather than a change of his own beliefs, which he reaffirmed even as announcing his switch, is getting covered while the fact that another very influential "minority" superdelegate who switched from Obama to Clinton because she realized she felt Clinton had more to offer received almost no coverage).  Yet once again, only those things that might appear negative to Clinton are being heavily reported on, with spin geared to make them seem more negative, while the reverse is surely not happening.  

In recent days (since Clinton highlighted the obvious at the Ohio debate, which most also managed to make seem as if she was whining vs. simply pointing out an obvious fact even while graciously noting she didn't have a problem answering first and continued doing so), it seems the press is finally acknowledging this and perhaps making an effort to correct this. So perhaps we'll get to see somebody in the news asking Ted Kennedy and John Kerry that question yet.  I'm not going to hold my breath, though, because Clinton is unfortunately and obviously competing against not only Obama but also the press.  I can only hope that more people will actually look beneath the sound bites and headlines before it is too late!  As Dr. Maya Angelou so poetically states:  "Rise, Hillary, Rise!"  However, all that being said, the most important thing to anybody truly voting on the issues is to keep McCain out of the White House--hopefully the DNC and the SuperDelegates will be smart enough to not set our primary up to be a "foul," which I believe they're currently doing, and to hand the election to the Republicans in the fall.  But we the voters will have a lot to do with that as well.  


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 04:07:59 PM EST

Re: Black Americans Steadfast for Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

Most of the superdelegates that have recently come for Obama are white.

Yet the media and this poster want to make the superdelegate movement about race.


by mainelib on Sat Mar 01, 2008 at 07:08:04 PM EST


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