Obama's Church in violation of IRS?

Does Sen. Obama practice what he preaches.  The Federal Government has sent A letter to Sen. Obama questioning his campaign tactics.

Mr. "Constitutional Law Professor" should be held accountable to the same standards as the other candidates.

Do other candidates have 40 volunteers manning tables outside their choice of faith conventions promoting their candidate?

Click Here to Read Official Government letter



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So, how does the IRS, (2.00 / 1)

the Bush Administration IRS, merely instituting an investigation of the leading Dem candidate's church mean "Obama's church in violation of IRS?"  Has anything been proven?  Rush to judgment much?


by bigdcdem on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:22:59 AM EST

Re: So, how does the IRS, (none / 0)

The IRS felt strongly enough on this matter to take A close look. Do you believe in the separation of church and state? I sure do, regardless of who you support.


by Safe at Home on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:29:16 AM EST
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Guilty until proven innocent?? (none / 0)

Obama-trashers sink to a new low every day. At this point your conduct is worse than that of the RWNM.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:42:24 AM EST
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Re: Guilty until proven innocent?? (2.00 / 1)

Just posting an offical Government letter. Sen. Obama wants to run the government. Wheres the problem?


by Safe at Home on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:47:09 AM EST
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Re: Guilty until proven innocent?? (none / 0)

Wasn't your original title without a question mark? That's how I read it and thus the title read as an assertion from you instead of a question.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 06:22:59 PM EST
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Nonresponsive (none / 0)

You stated that his church is IN VIOLATION.  The letter starts an investigation, it does not confirm a violation.  Your diary title contains a lie.


by bigdcdem on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:18:38 AM EST
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Re: Nonresponsive (none / 0)

Good point. I should of chose my headline language better.


by Safe at Home on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:21:57 AM EST
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Re: So, how does the IRS, (none / 0)

If a church is going to be tax exempt then it must not be involved in campaigning for a political candidate.  Talking at a church is one thing but having campaign literature and campaign workers working tables out front are against the law.  This church should lose it's tax-exempt status.


by macmcd on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 03:21:24 PM EST
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Re: So, how does the IRS, (none / 0)

Actually, allowing campaigning on church grounds once is not a per se violation that requires loss of non-profit status.  Typically there might be a fine if this is found to be a clear vioation, but this is not as eggregious as if the church would have verbally or otherwise asked its members to vote for a partisan candidate.


by bigdcdem on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 06:17:22 PM EST
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Yeah! Go after his church! That'll teach'm! It's time these old church ladies FEEL SOME HILLARY CLINTON PAIN!


by pastor john on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:35:46 AM EST

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Your shtick is old, pastor john. Real believers on this blog dont pay much attention to you. Take your unbridled hate and preach to the choir, not hear!


by Safe at Home on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:42:00 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Church in violation of IRS (none / 0)

How is persecuting a church going to help anyone in a presidential race?


by poserM on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:02:07 AM EST

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Im not persecuting any church. But since that horrible 1973 Supreme Court decision, Religion and Politics became mixed. As I always said, "Let your Conscience be your guide". It is not a crime to be Pro-Life and a Democrat, contrary to what others believe.


by Safe at Home on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:10:34 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Church in violation of IRS (2.00 / 1)

OK - I think your link is wrong.

The Federal Government has sent A letter to Sen. Obama questioning his campaign tactics

...because this letter is CLEARLY not addressed to Barack Obama.


by zonk on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:03:40 AM EST

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But dont you think that the letter was aimed at his campaign, not him personally?


by Safe at Home on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:14:28 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Church in violation of IRS (none / 0)

I don't think the letter was sent to HIM.

It was not addressed to him and he is not cc'ed on it.

Consequently, it seems pretty clear the letter was not sent to HIM, as you indicate.

BTW...working in this field (various federal compliance issues, including IRS/tax law and reg compliance) - such letters aren't all that unusual.  Don't get me wrong - I'm quite certain the church in question will have an attorney responding to the letter... but this isn't that big of a deal.

The letter is basically a form letter that more or less says "we've received complaints and we're giving you chance to respond before we decide if we'll proceed with a formal investigation".

In effect, the letter doesn't even technically ask or imply that the church has violated any regulations (much less any laws) - it's simply stating that complaints were received, how do you respond to these complaints.

Any decent tax attorney will dispute the overriding issue of the complaint and simply respond with a point by point rebuttal of how all IRC sections and IRS regulations were complied with... It's as simple as saying "all candidate tables were X number of feet from Y entrance", no parish funds were used for Z, etc.

Now... the IRS could certainly respond to the church's response with a "not good enough, we're opening a formal investigation" -- then things might get serious -- but this letter is nothing all that special.


by zonk on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:57:37 AM EST
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I wish everyone would take the time and wade through the  cheerleading and gave a unbiased opinion. We cant all be saints?


by Safe at Home on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 10:27:00 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Church in violation of IRS (none / 0)

No problem...

And re-reading my response, DO let me emphasize this most certainly wouldn't a letter one should just blow off or not seek counsel in responding to -- when ANY government agency informs you that they've received any sort of a complaint and are considering opening an investigation, anyone or any organization would be wise to make sure the response is clearly, professionally, and seriously handled.  

In other words - depending on the matter and agency, the rate at which such queries end up becoming full-blown investigations varies (EEOC complaints become full investigations less than 10% of the time, for example) - but it behooves the recipient to be very serious about nipping the issue at this stage, because the danger rates increase exponentially when the matter proceeds to the next step.


by zonk on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 10:35:59 AM EST
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Obama used churches in Iowa (none / 0)

Obama used churches in Iowa for phonebanking. His volunteers would go to various churches and phonebank for him. I canvassed in Iowa for another candidate and was told by several Obama supporters that they would go to so and so church and phonebanked for him. Perhaps some volunteers were asking for donations. Is that legal? Isn't that a violation of church and state.


by harmony94 on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:08:32 AM EST

what churches? (none / 0)

* do they have 501.c.3 status?  (not all churches, especially not all black churches, do)

* did the obama campaign pay for the use of the facilities?  (churches with tax-exempt status are free to rent out their facilities)

the fact that you'd think phone bankers in iowa would be asking voters for donations shows a profound disengagement with the political process.  seems like you're just throwing mud or trying to start your own conspiracy theory.  are you a republican?


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 10:38:58 AM EST
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