Obama's History of Denouncing, but not Rejecting

During tonight's debate on MSNBC, Barack Obama was asked if he would reject outright the endorsement and support of Louis Farrakhan. He initially tiptoed around the issue, saying only that he denounces Louis Farrakhan and the statements he's made concerning the Jewish community. Only when backed into a corner by Senator Clinton, would he go on record as rejecting Farrakhan's support. The difference between denouncing and rejecting might not seem clear to Senator Obama, but there is a distinct difference:

de·nounce

1. to condemn or censure openly or publicly: to denounce a politician as morally corrupt. 2. to make a formal accusation against, as to the police or in a court.

re·ject

1. to refuse to have, take, recognize, etc.: to reject the offer of a better job. 2. to refuse to grant (a request, demand, etc.). 3. to refuse to accept (someone or something); rebuff: The other children rejected him. The publisher rejected the author's latest novel. 4. to discard as useless or unsatisfactory: The mind rejects painful memories. 5. to cast out or eject; vomit. 6. to cast out or off.


Unfortunately, Senator Obama has another recent example of denouncing, but not rejecting, another controversial public figure's support. And anyone who's been following this campaign knows exactly who I'm talking about.

Donnie McClurkin

That's right, Donnie "I prayed away the gay" McClurkin. Anyone who doesn't know the details about Senator Obama and Donnie McClurkin, here's the short version. Senator Obama held a campaign rally in South Carolina in which he had invited several gospel singers to perform. The headliner of the evening was to be Donnie McClurkin, a public figure despised in the gay community because of his positions on "reparative therapy" and "curing" homosexuality. He has also called homosexuality a "choice", and a "curse".

Gay activists were appalled and rightly asked Mr. Obama to cancel his appearance at his campaign event. Mr. Obama refused, but instead issued a statement saying that he strongly disagrees with Mr. McClurkin's views. This is what it means to denounce, but not reject. If he rejected Mr. McClurkin's views, he would have never allowed Mr. McClurkin to set foot on that stage on his behalf. He even tried to explain away his decision not to back down, by saying that the only way to heal divisions was to bring people of opposing views together. How very quaint. So how many times has Senator Obama asked a white supremacist to headline one of his campaign events? He's bringing opposing views together... right? How many times has he asked a neo Nazi?

You can't, on the one hand, denounce a person's egregious positions regarding an entire community, yet on the other hand, legitimize those positions by allowing them to highlight a campaign event on your behalf. By rejecting Donnie McClurkin's positions, and not allowing him to appear at his event, Senator Obama would have set a clear example that divisive hate speech and homophobia would not be tolerated. He would have backed up his talk with action. But he chose not to take that path.

It's one thing to issue statements denouncing the hateful, destructive positions and statements of controversial figures or groups, but it's another thing entirely to reject them out of hand, and you shouldn't have your arm twisted to do so.

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by puma on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 12:48:57 AM EST

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And i think it depends on what he means by "is?"

come on ~ do you really think this is going to make a difference to normal people (read: not on political blogs) will see this?  

Imo, they will remember her husband's obfuscation ~


by pholkhero on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 12:51:27 AM EST

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That's certainly what I was thinking of during that bizarre exchange.

Besides, an astute blogger just pointed out that Hillary welcomed the endorsement of the Independence Party.

by PhilFR on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 12:58:55 AM EST
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>Hillary welcomed the endorsement of the Independence Party.

bwahahahah!  oh, that hillary, maybe she was just denoucning and not rejecting.


by pholkhero on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:05:12 AM EST
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I think she was welcoming, while denouncing AND rejecting.

Silly Season.

by PhilFR on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:13:30 AM EST
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but said emphatically that she would not accept it if the party supported Patrick J. Buchanan for president. ''I cannot and will not as the price for any endorsement embrace or excuse those who use hateful rhetoric that separates and divides,'' she said.
Her principled conditions are quite clear.... as are the consequences if they aren't met. But in case you are unaware, it's called a... rejection.
by wandering i on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 03:09:57 AM EST
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Nice try. These are two separate words, and actions, with two distinct meanings. And if they don't make a difference to normal people... they should.
by wandering i on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:01:08 AM EST
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no, you are splitting hairs in defense of a candidate.  Low-info voters will see that exchange as a bit silly, and maybe petty.


by pholkhero on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:05:57 AM EST
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You know, I consider myself a high-info voter, and I thought it was silly and petty.
by PhilFR on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:15:17 AM EST
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but you're an obamabot, kool-aid drinker, you unemployed, wine drinker ~ what do you know?

;)


by pholkhero on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:20:08 AM EST
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Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that I'm brainwashed.

I think I'll head over to DC now, where Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold and I will down some tasty Kool-Aid.

by PhilFR on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:26:19 AM EST
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Only when pressed in front (none / 0)

of a national TV audience. And he then went on to belittled the need. He's trying to have it both ways. You can't denounce a controversial figure's positions, yet refuse to deny their support.
by wandering i on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 12:57:34 AM EST

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HRC's rejection bs was just laughable, laughable.  

She's grasping at straws here tonight, and looks a little desperate.  I'm rewatching it, and am amazed at how disturbed she seemed by everything during the first part of the debate.


by pholkhero on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:04:15 AM EST
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this part just came back up, and you can hear the audience laugh at her.


by pholkhero on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:14:08 AM EST
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sorry to keep replying to myself, but even she laughs at the end of it about the whole thing.

silly, just silly.


by pholkhero on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:15:14 AM EST
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Are you posting just to hear yourself talk, or do you have a substantive point? If you don't know the difference between denouncing and rejecting, I pity you. You can denounce someone's positions on particular issues, but still leave the door open to do business with them and accept their support, and the support of their followers. If you reject someone outright, you are both condemning and cutting all ties to that person, their positions and beliefs. Get it?
by wandering i on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 02:40:16 AM EST
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What ties? (none / 0)

Exactly what ties to Farrakhan is there for Obama to reject? Farrakhan isn't doing fundraisers for him. Obama doesn't belong to the Nation of Islam. What did you want him to do, take a time out and go out and smack Farrakhan upside the head?

It was a ridiculous display of semantics and Hillary looked bad engaging in it. Worse, she had a chance to nail Russert for asking the stupid question in the first place, taking the high road that was the only thing memorable (in a good way) about her performance in the Texas debate, and instead she decided to play the grammarian.

Look for Ohio voters to both denounce and reject her next week.


by nathanp on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 06:15:03 AM EST
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the POINT is that the whole distinction is a joke, even Hillary laughed about it at the end when Obama said he denounces and rejects.

The case could be made that you can reject someone and not denounce them, i.e., not take their help b/c it would look bad for you, like how JFK kept Sinatra out of the white house.  He rejected him, but didn't denounce him.

again, among the public, there's very little daylight between the two words, and hillary came off petty for it.

spin it however you want, but the facts remain ~ the audience there was laughing about the whole thing.


by pholkhero on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:45:28 AM EST
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are you serious? (none / 0)

this is pretty absurd.  i recognize the point Clinton was trying to make, but at BEST, it came off as petty and small on her part.


by fightinfilipino on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 01:51:51 AM EST

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"i recognize the point Clinton was trying to make, but at BEST, it came off as petty and small on her part"

It didn't come across as either petty or small to me. I am both Jewish and Gay and I am deeply offended at BO's tacit acceptance of both Farrakhan and McClurkin and I am very grateful to Hillary Clinton for standing up for sensitivity and tolerance. Once again she has come through for us, that's why I support her.


by 07rescue on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 02:16:35 AM EST
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how in the hell does denounce equal "tacit acceptance"?  denounce MEANS to outright say something is not acceptable!

also, you might want to read Obama's excellent statements while addressing the Jewish community in Cleveland, where he gives an incredibly nuanced view that unequivocally gives his support for Jews in the U.S. as well as Israel, but also challenges people to ask tough questions about the Likud party and how to bring about real peace, as well as Barack's own site, where he calls for an END to Don't Ask, Don't Tell.  Hillary Clinton does not touch the subject at all.


by fightinfilipino on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:39:36 AM EST
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Did she stand up for gays during bill's don't ask don't tell, or when he was running ads in '96 that said he's for the "traditional family?"

oh wait, I'm sure "behind the scenes" she did ~

but i do like that the new meaning of denounce is tacit acceptance


by pholkhero on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:47:31 AM EST
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Read It and... Well, Just Read It (none / 0)


From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
For the word-o-philes out there, Obama wins with the word denounce which is more applicable to use when you find someone's positions distasteful
 
re·ject  -a verb used as an object...
1. to refuse to have, take, recognize, etc.: to reject the offer of a better job. 
2. to refuse to grant (a request, demand, etc.). 

de·nounce  -verb (used with object), -nounced, -nounc·ing. 1. to condemn or censure openly or publicly: to denounce a politician as morally corrupt. 

1. to condemn or censure openly or publicly: to denounce a politician as morally corrupt. 

Domenico Montanaro - DENOUNCE V. REJECT MSNBC 26 Feb 08


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:42:19 AM EST

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I was satisfied with Obama's answer to the Farrakhan question before the prodding by Clinton, so her attempt at one-upmanship came off as weak.  If she had pivoted the question to McClurkin and Obama's unfortunate decision to 'accept' the presence of that homophobe at the SC rally, that would have been a clear point for Clinton.

As it is, gays have far more reason to be wary of Obama than Jews based on the Illinois Senator's record.  


Take out the trash. Down with Saxby Chambliss!
by CLLGADEM on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:43:00 AM EST

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I found the exchange last night very telling, but of course I expect few out there were share in that, given the rush to annoint Obama.

Obama first responded by patting himself on the back for the endorsement -- Farrakhan thinks I'm awesome   and the hope of the world and I support him in doing that -- then singles out Farrakan's anti-semitic views and how he's denounced them and thus his Jewish supporters think he's awesome.

What Obama never did was reject the sum total of Farrakan's hate views -- a few examples --
"White people are potential humans -- they haven't evolved yet"
"Murder and lying comes easy for white people."
"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man."

So yeah, I'd like to see my president outright reject Louis Farrakhan and all the racist, race-baiting, homophobic, extremist vile garbage he puts out there.  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:15:50 AM EST

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1. Pumpkin head should not have asked that question.  It was insulting.  What a nitwit.

2. When Tim Russert asked specifically whether Obama 'rejected' Farrakahn, Obama should have replied, "Yes, of course.  Isn't that what I just said?"

3. When HRC first entered the fray, I thought she was doing so Obama's behalf.  I didn't get the attack until later, when Obama hedged again over denounce versus reject, and then embraced reject.  I don't think she looked great, but I do not under any circumstances think that she was trying to paint Obama as anti-Semetic.  I think she was answering in favor of clear language.

4. Have any Obama partisans noticed that it was RUSSERT not Clinton who first made the distinction between "denounce" and "reject"?  He made that the subject of his follow-up question.  Clinton was not the first person on the stage to make the distinction, even though she took up the banner.


by mgee on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:14:14 AM EST

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You know -

In the debate thread last night, I was one of the few people -- Obama supporter or otherwise -- that honestly didn't see nefarious attempts in Hillary Clinton's statement.   Jonathon Singer, Josh Marshall, and plenty of other commentators all over did.

I'm still not 100% certain that Clinton really WAS trying to use such a despicable tactic - and yeah, somehow trying to backhand accuse Barack Obama of latent antisemitism is despicable - I prefer to think it was simply a matter of Clinton trying to claim fellowship that in a sense "we've both faced these issues".

I find it utterly puzzling that certain elements seem intent on shouting from the rooftops that YES - YES SHE DID try to use such a despicable tactic, to say nothing of trying to claim such a line of attack was/is accurate.

Shame on you.


by zonk on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:19:12 AM EST


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