MSNBC Debate Thread

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are going to debate on MSNBC beginning at 9pm EST. You can watch it online HERE. Jonathan is Twittering the debate HERE.

Also, once it's over, don't miss our post-debate MyDD Blog Talk Radio wrap-up.

You know what to do...

Update [2008-2-26 21:22:23 by Todd Beeton]:Fairly good health care debate. Clinton did a good job of explaining better the differences between their plans but still didn't explain exactly how Obama's healthcare flier is rife with right-wing Harry & Louise fear-mongering.

Clinton's aside about always getting the first question was a bit odd.

Update [2008-2-26 21:35:52 by Todd Beeton]:Is anyone else having trouble with this MSNBC feed?

Hillary Clinton is gaining steam here as we round the corner into the second half of the first hour. I like that she keeps talking about things in terms of what she's done or is doing in the senate: "I'm not just talking about it, I'm..." That's a good rhetorical device against Obama.

Update [2008-2-26 21:59:44 by Todd Beeton]:Hillary Clinton: "I'm a fighter." One of her best selling points, especially against Obama.

Update [2008-2-26 22:7:38 by Todd Beeton]:I like when Obama gets riled up, whether it be because he's challenged by Clinton or one of the questioners. He's gotten much better at defending himself without appearing defensive. It also shows he has a fire in his belly, which he often seems to make an effort to suppress.



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Sitting (none / 0)

Another sitting debate.

Likely another firework-less debate.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:01:58 PM EST

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"there arent any rules" stupid


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:02:43 PM EST

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whats wrong with tim? he looks ill


by gil on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:04:20 PM EST

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he always has a crappy look to him


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:05:24 PM EST
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woah, racist much?


by vballchick08x on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 06:04:11 AM EST
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Is this going to be a clapping debate?


by rfahey22 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:05:39 PM EST

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Hissing debate, it sounds like.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:23:28 PM EST
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YES (none / 0)

A mandate on INSURANCE.

Not a mandate on HEALTH CARE.

It took a few debates, but Obama finally succinctly gave the answer I've been waiting for.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:08:47 PM EST

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PLEASE DO NOT THINK I"M BEING TROLLISH...

maybe it's just my tv, but it seems that Hillary is wearing more make-up than she did in previous debates.


John McCain: Four More Years of Failure.
by dannybauder on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:09:47 PM EST

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i agree


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:10:30 PM EST
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They both look pretty weary. But can you blame em?


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:21:09 PM EST
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It looks like they have Obama made up, too.  I never noticed it on him before, but he looks made up around the eyes.  Don't they have their own makeup people, or do they have to use the studio's?  It just seems funny that they both have noticable makeup on tonight.


by Scotch on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:31:03 PM EST
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Hillary is getting personal

GOOD!!!!!!!!!!


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:10:02 PM EST

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I agree, voters are so sick of personal, it's great to see her turning them off! :D


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:24:03 PM EST
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She really came off as petty and arrogant with that complaint about getting the first question and her lame ass reference to Saturday Night Live. I am here watchign with an undecided democrat.....she has made up her mind....Hillary is a petty politician......Obama is decent and forthright........Hillary lost this vote.........


by adbct on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:39:24 PM EST
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if you are still undecided at this point you think they are both pretty equally shitty. this is not a campaign without opportunity to judge their charaters-- that is all the media is presenting. they are both asssholes. it is whether you prefer sanctimonious or arrogant.


by hctb on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:44:37 PM EST
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Are these the same undecided people (none / 0)

that can't decide between Obama and McCain?  Wow they're really smart people with strong political convictions


by nulee on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:52:30 PM EST
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obama wins (none / 0)

first question by making this the same debate about mandates that has happened for a year.


HRC for Majority Leader
by omar little on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:11:53 PM EST

No- (none / 0)

subsidies through tax breaks.

Tax breaks don't help much when you're trying to pay for your monthly premiums.

When you live check to check - It's a LONG time between April 15ths.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:12:24 PM EST

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Is there an audio only feed for this?  The MSNBC streaming video is horrible and keeps cutting out on me (and I don't get MSNBC)


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:13:37 PM EST

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"the issurence companies don't care if there is mandates"

what kind of BS is that!!!


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:14:06 PM EST

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MSNBC's Internet feed is absolutely terrible.


by rfahey22 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:14:59 PM EST

I hate (2.00 / 1)

comparing universal INSURANCE purchases to Social Security.

It's not the same thing.

In fact, HRC's universal insurance plan would be like PRIVATIZING Social Security -- it would make Social Security a "mandated 401K"


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:15:18 PM EST

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No, it's not at all like privatizing health care. The private insurance industry is incapable of offering policies that are both affordable and comprehensive enough to actually provide the health care people need and simultaneously protect them from being impoverished or pushed into bankruptcy. Hillary knows this. Her plan strategically offers people a choice of a nonprofit, public Medicare like national insurance program that people can opt into, that will offer far better coverage and compete successfully with the private insurance industry. If enough Americans choose the public program it will become "Medicare for All," the gold standard in affordable, sustainable national health insurance.

Democrats have been fighting for national health insurance for over 60 years. With Hillary's plan we finally have a chance to get it. It requires a mandate in order to make every person in the US a stakeholder in the system, willing to fight for it to remain a top quality, affordable program, just as we have fought to keep Social Security and Medicare (less successfully, recently the Republicans were able to privatize the administration of parts of Medicare, so the quality suffered and costs went up unnecessarily). With everyone in the system it opens up possibilities for containing costs and greatly improving preventive care, medical records, and eliminating the "hassle factor" that is the last thing people need to contend with when they are sick or injured.

To me it is vital to nominate a standard bearer who will fight for truly universal health care, to save the lives and well being of all those who will other wise face premature suffering, disability, and death under our current system of rationing according to wealth. Hillary will get us there!


by 07rescue on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:08:18 PM EST
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Obama is NOT for universal health care. it's like saying you're a communists country when you're actually a dictatorship. It's saying one thing when it's actually something else.


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:17:15 PM EST

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You can be FOR giving everyone free money, but not have a plan to back it up. Obama can be FOR universal health insurance, though his plan doesn't back it up.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:22:13 PM EST
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I hate MSNBC!! I'm in a library (stupid grad school) and the feed is awful. all you mydders who can type and listen at the exact same time, help us out!!


by LiberalFL on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:17:47 PM EST

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Check Marc Ambinder.


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:24:31 PM EST
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i'm 20 and don't think i'm immortal!  the only thing keeping me from being a hypocondriac (spelled right?) is the fact that i'm very cheap!


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:17:54 PM EST

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This is an enormous issue, and is very important to Democrats. Fucking Brian Williams won't let them continue debating it.


John McCain: Four More Years of Failure.
by dannybauder on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:17:58 PM EST

That's the heart of it... (none / 0)

That's the heart of the matter.

I do not believe in government FORCING me to do things.  I am fine when the government PENALIZES me for something I should have done.  They should not "PRE-penalize" me.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:18:25 PM EST

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snl again?  really?  refing snl is more of a huckabee thing.


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:19:11 PM EST

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is everyone else noticing this but every time Obama interrupts Hillary he gives this face that looks like he is better than Hillary or he is holding back   on trying not to yell at her.  


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:19:21 PM EST

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No, I am not noticing that.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:27:04 PM EST
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yes, he's so smug (none / 0)


by nulee on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:50:34 PM EST
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Maybe she's hoping for a Tina Fey bouce


John McCain: Four More Years of Failure.
by dannybauder on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:19:51 PM EST

Young people who think they're immortal (none / 0)

Seriously?


by b1oody8romance7 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:20:28 PM EST

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Yes, all young people should be insulted. That was a stupid thing to say. And unnecessary.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:23:15 PM EST
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Interestingly, Jacob Hacker doesn't think mandates are all that important.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/comm entary/la-oe-hacker26feb26,0,3044897.sto ry


by DPW on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:20:30 PM EST

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Jacob Hacker is a minority opinion in the health care reform movement, and many discard his ideas as completely unworkable.


by 07rescue on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:11:25 PM EST
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For those of without a feed what did she say?


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:20:41 PM EST

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She complained about always "getting the first question", then went on to cite SNL "perhaps Senator Obama would like a pillow".

I think it was a frustration moment.

I think it's an argument she can make, but she just made it in an absolutely terrible fashion.

Wow... that's her worst debate moment since last year.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:23:33 PM EST
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i dont think this attacking strategy is going to work, i dont think it is what she is good at.

what was the SNL reference? does he want pillows? why does she always have to answer first? what is that supposed to mean...


by falseintellect on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:20:59 PM EST

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Maybe SHE wants a pillow.


John McCain: Four More Years of Failure.
by dannybauder on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:22:33 PM EST
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Complaining that she keeps getting asked to answer first? Doesn't seem a good strategy.


by conspiracy on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:21:09 PM EST

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last debate wolf explained that obama won the coinflip and chose hillary to go first.  read that as you will.


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:23:16 PM EST
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I'm sorry. Obama's plan is simply not universal. To say it is is to define universality down.

I am glad both of them kept talking over the moderators. Brian Williams talks about sixteen minutes of health care discussion as if that's a bad thing.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:21:10 PM EST

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He's not saying it is.

Look - someone wants to support a plan that truly is Universal HEALTH CARE?

I will support that plan and say it's the best plan - I will NOT support a universally mandated health insurance mandate.

I'm not rich - but I am probably NOT going to qualify for these subsidies... so what happens... I'm locked into my job because it DOES have a good health care plan.

I do not support insurance purchase mandates.  If you want to make it a completely FEDERAL program?  Fine.

But neither candidate is proposing that.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:27:01 PM EST
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yeah, i figure the fight for equality should have been all or nothing. same with the struggle to solve social security. if we cant have exacty what we want, we shouldnt try for anything.
real hopeful.
i see hope just springing from you.
by hctb on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:49:59 PM EST
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Give me a freakin' break.

You're comparing civil - say.... ending Jim Crow to buying insurance?

Gimme a break.

Please... force me to buy insurance.  Gee... thanks...


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:55:24 PM EST
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economic equality, not Jim Crow. but yes, this is a good point. it is all the same-- you either think about solving problems that way that govt works-- incremental change, or you complain. You are forced to buy insurance already-- they are taxes. there is a reason why they are not voluntary


by hctb on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:03:13 PM EST
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Taxes are not insurance.

Social Security is basically a federal insurance program.  It is funded -- and taxed -- separately from federal income tax.

If you want to propose a system that is a flat, universal payroll deduction -- fine.

But do not force me to buy insurance from private corporations.

It's that simple.

I'm not poor.  I'm middle class.  It is people like me that will be screwed.  We won't be poor enough to get into federal programs.  


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:08:36 PM EST
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OK (none / 0)

That line didn't work, I don't think.

It sounded awfully whiny.   I'm not saying it isn't a point she couldn't or shouldn't make - but that was a terrible way to make it.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:21:19 PM EST

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MSNBC's internet feed is absolutely horrible.  It cuts out so often I can't even understand what they are talking about.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:21:43 PM EST

where are the boos? (none / 0)

Obama just told a bold faced lie on NAFTA and it's been debunked extensively. Yet where are the audience boos?
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by Robert Oak on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:22:34 PM EST

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OMG what is Obama going to do about NAFTA??  Totally ducked the question.


by jelyfish on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:23:04 PM EST

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AND first again -This is crap


by jelyfish on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:24:49 PM EST
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Softball questions for Obama ... Sorry, I'm done, my own rant thread.  


by jelyfish on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:37:12 PM EST
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Obama goes into filibuster mode again.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:23:21 PM EST

HRC Jumps The Shark (2.00 / 1)

Citing SNL in a prsidential debate and sarcastically asking her opponent if he needs a pillow is decidedly NOT presidential.

Stick a fork in her. She's done.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:23:46 PM EST

I thought it was a great comment (none / 0)


by nulee on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:47:58 PM EST
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Internet radio feed? (none / 0)

This msnbc video feed is just awful.  They clearly don't have enough bandwidth.  On my end, video is unwatchable and audio drops out regularly.  Does anyone know of an audio-only feed?


by semiquaver on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:24:08 PM EST

Did you notice? (none / 0)

Clinton complained about always being asked the first question...when it was only the second question?

The first question went to her because they played two Clinton clips.

The second question was about NAFTA and her position(s).


by Kal on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:24:27 PM EST

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why doesn't Williams attack Obama like he is trying to do with Hillary!!!


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:26:00 PM EST

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i meant Russert

sorry


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:27:59 PM EST
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How annoying is Tim Russert?


by musicpvm on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:26:14 PM EST

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Very. But that's his job: Interviewer-in-Chief.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:28:15 PM EST
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   Extraordinarily.  He needs to STFU.  He thinks he's still the center of attention like he is on Meet the Press.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:28:58 PM EST
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Very


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:29:24 PM EST
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more annoying than Wolfe!

and that's saying something!


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:27:32 PM EST

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Can't we all just agree to have the Mexican Anderson Cooper moderate (sorry I forgot the guys name).  On the other hand imagine if it was on Fox, Brit Hume, or possibly Bill O would moderate.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:33:19 PM EST
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if we had Bill o then Obama's security guards would have stand by Obama and protect him from Bill o


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:35:14 PM EST
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That was his Campaign Manager (all 6' 8" or what ever), honestly I think even the most die hard HRC fans would have to reconsider if his Campaign Manager beatdown Oreilly.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:43:53 PM EST
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Jorge Cruz? I'm not sure of his last name, but his first name was definitely Jorge (i watched the SNL clip a minute ago =)


by LiberalFL on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:42:17 PM EST
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This internet feed is atrocious.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:27:57 PM EST

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So far, the audience is subdued.  But Obama is on the defensive and is giving a wishy-washy response on whether to get out of NAFTA.


by mikelow1885 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:29:03 PM EST

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I thought they gave the exact same answer:

Clinton said she'd renegotiate or get out.

Obama said he'd renegotiate or get out.

Looks like Obama was copying off her paper. ;)


by Kal on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:30:25 PM EST
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no (none / 0)

he didn't he never would say it, he ducked.
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by Robert Oak on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:12:44 PM EST
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Good.

They should shut and listen.

I'm glad to see my policy of tasing anyone clapping seems to be in effect.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:30:26 PM EST
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Wrong Obama (2.00 / 1)

Wrong Obama: Americans are the most productive people in the world, not just as productive.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:29:11 PM EST

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It doesn't matter how productive we are, Senator Obama. We get paid too much.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:30:40 PM EST
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Maybe you, but I don't.

And I think many people would agree they don't get paid enough relative to our society, not the world.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:35:33 PM EST
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I know, but companies will always move where they can pay people less. And Americans get paid too much as a whole to prevent companies from moving things off to lower wage countries.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:38:38 PM EST
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That's why we need tax cuts for American corporations to keep the high-paying jobs here. Yeah, I'd said it. Y'all can ban me.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:41:04 PM EST
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I have no idea what Obama is saying, because the audio keeps dropping out. Did he say he would pull the US out of NAFTA?


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:29:58 PM EST

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no, he said he would do what clinton suggests


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:30:50 PM EST
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He basically agreed with Clinton... In fact, he said I agree with Senator Clinton.

Use the hammer of a threatened pull-out to force NAFTA renegotiation.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:31:18 PM EST
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why is she so loud? She's practically yelling. I have to turn down my TV every time she starts talking.


by godemsin08 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:30:33 PM EST

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I thought the same thing on the CNN debate


by gil on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:33:17 PM EST
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Obama's voice in annoying he has no emotion (none / 0)

emotion


by nulee on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:49:52 PM EST
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there should be a debate without moderators with just the candidates talking to each other and asking each other questions


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:30:39 PM EST

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anyone else having a problem with the live feed?


by gil on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:31:49 PM EST

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Everyone


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:32:56 PM EST
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I sometimes forget the MS in MSNBC stands for Microsoft
No wonder the feed stinks
by gil on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:36:24 PM EST
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I thought Al Gore was going to be President! EXACTLY RIGHT


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:32:13 PM EST

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jinx!


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:33:24 PM EST
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Yup.

that was a very good answer.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:37:04 PM EST
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Thought al gore was going to be prez, that was a pretty good line.


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:32:56 PM EST

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In response to a question about whether NAFTA has actually been somewhat decent for Ohio, Obama appears to not even pretend to answer the question and repeat his standard canned economic plan.

Tough question from Russert about Clinton and New York jobs. Not sure the Al Gore deferral tactic worked, but it was creative.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:32:59 PM EST

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She said it helped some workers in NY, who outside of Wall Street did it help in NY?


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:35:00 PM EST
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No, I think the Al Gore response was spot-on.

This is a DEMOCRATIC debate - and even the GOPers and indies watching probably wish it had been President Gore, too.

that was a fine answer.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:38:10 PM EST
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This feed is giving me a headache.  But I shouldn't have expected any better from MSNBC.


by musicpvm on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:33:45 PM EST

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These moderator questions are terrible. The health care part of the debate was the best one in terms of eliciting a good discussion, and that had nothing to do with the moderators.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:35:02 PM EST

Obama's losing (2.00 / 1)

Obama is losing because the audience is not helping him this time.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:36:40 PM EST

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saying SHE voted for the money for the war?  kamikaze?  that is not a good tactic in my opinion.


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:38:03 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Debate Thread (2.00 / 1)

i guess that means that Obama is a robot and runs on applause.


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:38:22 PM EST

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http://wksu.org/

you're welcome.


by joed on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:38:46 PM EST

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thank you!!!


by gil on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:48:30 PM EST
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The best is to keep the video feed on and listen to this audio.  The video goes into that fast forward mode after it stops to buffer.  It's better than any SNL sketch.

Thanks for this.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:01:24 PM EST
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Going alan keyes is a high stakes campaign?

umm


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:39:57 PM EST

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Just what I was thinking.


by musicpvm on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:40:40 PM EST
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Maybe he was talking about his primary campaign? That was pretty hotly contested.


by Kal on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:41:42 PM EST
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He's referring to his primary campaign, when it WAS a high stakes campaign.  It brought virtually every Illinois Democrat into the race.

Obama actually did so well in the primary - which started in 2003 - precisely BECAUSE he was the most vocal Iraq war opponent... he was against it back when Dubya was playing flightuit hero and it was a lonely, lonely place for us Deaniacs.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:42:04 PM EST
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As opposed to Lazio?


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:45:42 PM EST
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Wasn't Lazio a congressman, not some comical state-hopping challenger?


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:51:39 PM EST
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hillary didnt make the claim bud, Obama did


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:51:56 PM EST
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Good answer (none / 0)

by Obama.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:40:21 PM EST

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"Clinton's aside about always getting the first question was a bit odd."

A bit of an understatement... I can't remember anyone ever using SNL as evidence of their problems.

Of course, there has been the writer's strike... maybe all the candidates would be using SNL to support their theories if it had been going on the whole time.


by leshrac55 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:40:34 PM EST

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"give in to g bush on day one."  swing and a miss


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:40:39 PM EST

Iraq is always a loser for Clinton (none / 0)

Clinton has yet to win a debate about Iraq against Obama, and she never will. It all comes down to their early support/opposition to the war.


by Kal on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:40:56 PM EST

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wasn't it actual intelligence that got us in Iraq in the first place.  


by Hillary2008 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:41:25 PM EST

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Obama on Iraq:

I agree he gave a good speech. But since then, I don't think of him as being a vocal opponent of the war. Neither of them has really tried to do much that I can remember.

I like how he referred to Bush as "this individual." Ha.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:41:32 PM EST

Is it just me? (2.00 / 1)

Obama is keep sending hand or facial signals to Brian Williams and Tim Russert to help him? I get it Obama. They love you. You do not need to behave like their favorite student here. It is very funny to see him looking at them and practically begging to cut Hillary.


by praxis1 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:41:51 PM EST

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Hillary is not holding up well...

She's acted like a petulant child


by AbeFroman on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:42:28 PM EST

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and Obama hissing isnt acting like a child


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:44:33 PM EST
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I wouldn't say he's been perfect...

... but compared to Hillary, he's calm and composed.

sorry - it is reality


by AbeFroman on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:50:35 PM EST
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bullshit


by Caldonia on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:47:09 PM EST
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oh god!  re-invade iraq!  this won't go well for anyone.


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:44:45 PM EST

Russert (2.00 / 0)

Is scaring me....

But Hillary got him: you're not in reality.


Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America
by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:45:07 PM EST

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Russert is off on a bizarre question of what if. Hillary properly shuts him up.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:45:13 PM EST

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What's wrong with Tim Russert? Actually I feel he is trying to trap BOTH Hillary and Obama for Republicans. No more hypothetical questions!


by praxis1 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:45:17 PM EST

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that will happen with everyone because they like mccain


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:48:57 PM EST
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Obama really walked into that thing about the subcommittee on Europe by talking about the Foreign Relations Committee.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:46:34 PM EST

If Space Aliens invade... (none / 0)

...and join forces with the terrorists, and Jack Bauer can't diffuse the bomb in time...


by Kal on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:47:40 PM EST

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Then we talk to Huck and get him to send his good buddy chuck Norris in, come on people that's a plan we can believe in.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:51:25 PM EST
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no, we get kucinich to negotiate.


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:54:33 PM EST
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Seems to be pretty even so far, honestly though could the moderators quit playing gotcha, last week's debate was the only one that didn't seem like the mods hated both canidates.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:48:13 PM EST

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Really? After Cambell Browm cut off Hillary like what 5 times? Last debate was horrible but I thinks this one is actually the worst.


by praxis1 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:50:34 PM EST
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She cut her off, but HRC also talked longer than Obama, seriously I think we just need to pay Jim Lehrer to do all the debates, he's boring but he actually: a)asks questions b) has ahard time limits on responses.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:52:48 PM EST
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Those moderators were lightweights compared to Russert and Williams.


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by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:51:10 PM EST
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Hillary is coming across as she is screaming...the line about the pillow was ridiculous. Why is she always interrupting the moderator. Interview: Obama!


by mecarr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:48:17 PM EST

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The moderator is always interrupting HER.


by Caldonia on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:52:33 PM EST
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Oh. good. Just like SNL. Great Obama does not need any follow-ups. Commercial break! Ha Ha. It's getting actually very funny!


by praxis1 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:49:04 PM EST

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Obama: I was too busy campaigning to hold any hearings. Not a good answer.

Clinton has managed to hold at least three hearings on her Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health, the last on October 17, 2007.

Brian Williams: Commercials are more important than the debate.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:49:36 PM EST

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and they dont go back to her!


Rise, Hillary, Rise
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:52:44 PM EST

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It's insane. Are they showing Hillary criticizing Obama AGAIN?


by praxis1 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:53:15 PM EST

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Apparently they did it by mistake. Whatever they say...


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:54:43 PM EST
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