It's The Organization, Stupid

Kos has documented anecdotal evidence of Obama's superior Texas and Ohio ground games and has argued that this aspect of Obama's campaign is what ultimately explains his success at eating into Clinton's support in those crucial states. If Obama goes on to win the nomination, expect it to be a central part of the post-mortem narrative.

In an article that's been featured among Yahoo's top headlines for much of the day, Time Magazine has already begun to explore this unsung aspect of the Democratic primary race. Take this telling contrast between the two campaigns' Ohio organizations:  

All winter, the heart of Hillary Clinton's campaign in central Ohio was Jamie Dixey's apartment in the affluent Columbus suburb of New Albany. She started by inviting nine friends over to listen in on a national conference call with Clinton. She organized two monthly meetings, both of which attracted about 10 people. "It was very hard to get people interested because it was so early," Dixey says. In the world of traditional Democratic Party campaigns, this was enough to qualify Dixey as a star volunteer. She won an invitation to Governor Ted Strickland's rally on Jan. 19 formally kicking off Clinton's grassroots campaign in Ohio.

Dixey's counterpart on the Obama campaign, Valli Frausto, signed up to volunteer for Obama on Feb. 11, 2007, the day after he announced his candidacy. Immediately she found the social networking section of Obama's website, my.barackobama.com, which campaign insiders affectionately call "MyBO." Frausto posted a personal profile, just as she would on MySpace, and met other supporters online. Within six months, her group of three women had grown to over 200 members. Together they used the website's event planning tools to organize Obama for President picnics, neighborhood cleanups, phone banks and a 5K fundraiser run.

After Super Tuesday, as national staff for both campaigns descended on Ohio, Obama's state leaders began flexing the power of MyBO and the grassroots network it spawned. Across the state, Obama's 300 web-based groups started canvassing neighborhoods three days to a week before Clinton's campaign, supporters on both sides say.

As has been discussed before, the Clinton campaign doesn't seem to have planned for post-February 5th and only recently has learned the error of its ways relying on paid staffers over an army of volunteers. But her campaign also appears to have relied far too much on the advantage establishment support brings you.

Clinton supporters say they're not worried about Obama's early grassroots advantage in Ohio. Building Obama's network from the ground up took months. One advantage of a top-down approach is that, with just a few phone calls, the Democratic Party machine can mobilize thousands of volunteers in just a few days.

The problem with that is sometimes, the grassroots don't cooperate.

Cleveland City Councilman Kevin Conwell came out early for Clinton, winning a trip to the national convention to vote for her.

Then Conwell's constituents sat him down for a little chat. "I met with my residents and tried to get them to go with Hillary," Conwell says. "Not one of them would move. All of my volunteers, all my block club presidents, every last one of them was going for Barack."

Conwell was forced to relinquish his seat at the convention. He spent last Saturday canvassing his ward for Obama.

I've written often about the under-estimated enthusiasm that Hillary Clinton inspires among voters, but harnessing that into an actual national ground game does seem to be one of the areas where her campaign has under-performed. For example, they discovered late the power of their online fundraising potential -- even they seemed surprised that they were able to raise as much money as they did as quickly as they did earlier this month, and they've only recently launched a drive on the website to get supporters to pledge to make 1 million calls. An e-mail blast from Chelsea Clinton went out today to mobilize Hillary's largely untapped army in advance of March 4th.

My favorite part of working on my mom's campaign is talking to people one-on-one about why they should vote for her. We can use all the help we can get to tell people about why my mom is the leader we all need! There are two great ways for you to help us all win on March 4:

1. We need as many people on the ground in Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont as we can get.

If you can travel to any of these states to volunteer March 1-4, you can make a huge difference for my mom's campaign. And take my word for it -- there is no more exciting place to be than on the campaign trail right now!

2. We need you on the phones, making calls right from your own home.

Earlier this month, I asked our online community to commit to making a million calls. We blew right past that goal, making record numbers of calls into key states. First, congratulations everyone and thank you!! Second, let's keep it going and try to make more than 1.5 million calls this week!

They're doing all the right things but is it translating to a truly mobilized army on the ground and is there enough time for this to make a difference? I guess we'll know in a week.



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My supreme hope (2.00 / 1)

and one big reason I back Obama, is that I think this grassroots organization really does make Obama beholden to US - the everyday American.... the grassroots...

I don't expect to be conferenced into policy discussions, but I hope - and believe - it makes a President Obama responsive to America.

Don't get me wrong - I KNOW there will instances where Obama will disappoint, even piss me off.

However, more than anything else, I think Obama is as close as we can reasonably come to having "one of us" in the Oval Office.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:01:34 PM EST

Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

If Obama wins the nomination, you can't really blame Hillary's strategy. Her strategy is exactly the same as every other winning Democratic candidate's strategy has been for the last 30 or 40 years. Who could've predicted that the strength of a candidate's ground game in Colorado and Alabama would prove decisive in the nomination process? Obama just came with something really new and different in terms of strategy and it paid off for him.


by dmc2 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:07:19 PM EST

Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (2.00 / 1)

It has also been the general election losing strategy of every Democrat since 1996.

It doesn't work... why continue to do it?


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:08:58 PM EST
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What's been the losing startegy? (none / 0)

please explain...


by Erik on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:24:24 PM EST
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Re: What's been the losing startegy? (2.00 / 2)

To focus on the big "important" states only. And to forget about Middle America. Summarized: to put all hopes into 2-3 swing states that are must wins and ignoring the rest.


by marcotom on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:51:30 PM EST
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Who Could Have Predicted? (none / 0)

Well I can think of a couple people... I think they wrote a book about it a short while ago.  Last I heard, they were running some websites or something.


by Brillobreaks on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:11:27 PM EST
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One remembered and one forgot the lessons (2.00 / 1)

found in that little book, as well.


No vetting is complete until we've seen the tax returns.
by Bill White on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:12:44 PM EST
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Re: Who Could Have Predicted? (2.00 / 1)

BINGO!

Obama is crashing the biggest gate in political history.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:13:58 PM EST
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Re: Who Could Have Predicted? (none / 0)

Exactly. Nobody believed it until it happened though.


by dmc2 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 11:18:11 PM EST
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Not Just This Week... (none / 0)

This Fall those same people and groups are going to be out there campaigning for not just Barack Obama, but for Democratic candidates all over the country.


by Brillobreaks on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:09:53 PM EST

That is the biggest upside to Obama (2.00 / 1)

On policy, he and Clinton fight to the death over the smallest of differences.

But, on campaign tactics, Obama wins very very substantially.

Fifty state strategy on steroids.


No vetting is complete until we've seen the tax returns.
by Bill White on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:12:11 PM EST
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Re: Not Just This Week... (none / 0)

It's a critical point to make that Joihn McCain will be resource poor across the nation.

The GOP paradigm is similar to the old Democratic paradigm of ignoring states. Why push hard in Idaho when Idaho always goes red?

I'll tell ya why. Barack Obama has game in Idaho now and he'll eat at McCain in the GE.

I would not be surprised if before the GE it is determined that Texas has gone into play.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:18:24 PM EST
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Re: Not Just This Week... (none / 0)

"I would not be surprised if before the GE it is determined that Texas has gone into play."

You're not really familiar with Texas, are you?


by wasabi on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:12:20 PM EST
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Re: Not Just This Week... (none / 0)

I'm familiar with Texas. LAst time it went Democratic was 1964.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:48:29 PM EST
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Re: Not Just This Week... (2.00 / 1)

And you push hard in Idaho so we can elect Larry LaRocco to the Senate and a Democrat in District 1.

Coattails, people. Obama's strength in the red states might not give him the electors from there, but it will help him build a working majority in Congress.


by elrod on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:52:00 PM EST
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Saul Alinsky, George Lakoff, and Howard Dean (none / 0)

Obama meshed ideas from all three into a winning organization.

That's the narrative.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:12:40 PM EST

Re: Saul Alinsky, George Lakoff, and Howard Dean (none / 0)

i suspect that howard deans 50 state stratagey is gonna be the historical send off to a democratic 21st century


by Lazeriath on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:16:15 PM EST
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Re: Saul Alinsky, George Lakoff, and Howard Dean (none / 0)

The online model of fund raising by going directly to the people you want to represent is every bit as much a part of it as the 50 state strategy, too.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:19:13 PM EST
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Re: Saul Alinsky, George Lakoff, and Howard Dean (none / 0)

Dean's former online campaign director is now (was?) the director of the "Wake Up Wal-Mart" campaign.  Extremely interesting and well-organized site if you haven't visited.  It even has downloadable "toolkits" for those who want to start mobilizing their communities against Wal-Mart.  Hmm... motivating people to take ownership of their communities... sound familiar?

Also, I live in Austin, TX, and I am proud to report that the Obama campaign opened 2 new campaign headquarters in Austin over the weekend.  That makes one downtown, one on UT's campus, and one on the historically underprivileged east side.  Over 30,000 people attended his rally on Friday night (there probably would have been more, but it was 50 degrees -- freezing by TX standards!) where he was not only intelligent and well-spoken, but also hilarious!  The next morning I participated in a supporter's (not a staffer's) fundraising drive on one of the running trails in town.  Instead of giving another $500 to the campaign, he bought shirts to give to people who would become new donaters.  By the end of the 2 1/2 hours, we had raised over $1,000 in cash and online donations, and our stack of pledge cards was over an inch thick (apparently not all runners carry cash/cards...).  The event was so successful, the guy who organized it is planning a parade through town on Sunday.  Let's hope that Austin momentum sweeps over the state!


by Igloo Girl on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 10:42:21 AM EST
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Another important aspect to this (none / 0)

Is that a powerful traditional campaign went head-to-head with traditional tactics against this new method, lost, and then adopted them. In the case of fundraising at least it proved to be a surprising success, even to the campaign itself.

I think this sets an important precedent for future campaigns and candidates. Obama may have been a unique candidate is his ability to make this work initially against a traditional campaign (assuming he does indeed go on to win), but now that it has been done once I think you will see it copied across the board.

I feel like this can only be a Good Thing for politics in general. When politicians start really calculating the cost of antagonizing some percentage of their supporters, in terms of dollars and volunteers lost, I think we will see a lot less caving in to corporate special interests.  


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:23:33 PM EST

Terry McAuliffe Enters Bargaining Stage (none / 0)

All that's left for Terry is Depression and Acceptance:

Posted February 26, 2008

Top Clinton backer raises possibility of ticket with Obama

Associated Press

MADISON-- The national chairman of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign says she could end up on the same ticket with rival Barack Obama.

Terry McAuliffe told a business group in Madison today it "sure is" possible the former first lady and the Illinois senator could become running mates.

He says that team would create excitement in the country heading into the general election. But McAuliffe would not predict who would be on top of the ticket.

Link


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:26:12 PM EST

I'll be completely honest - (none / 0)

I wouldn't mind HRC as the #2.

I'm over any anger or issues I might have had with some early campaign tactics.

If it works for both candidates - I'd be fine with it.

I have no strong preferences for a VP at this point.  Hillary Clinton is a smart, solid Democrat.  

She meets whatever qualifications I have for a VP.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:31:02 PM EST
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Re: I'll be completely honest - (none / 0)

I like her but what does what she adds (experience, re-conciliation, women voters) counter balance what she takes away (moderates, dilution of the change message in a way the no other Senator can), this doesn't even get inot the state factor (which is arguable because I'm not sure there's much evidence to prove this actually works).


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:16:01 PM EST
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Re: I'll be completely honest - (none / 0)

I might be a rarity,  but I've always been of mind that the VP slot should only meet two criteria:

1. Possessing the mettle and intelligence to be President.

2. Possessing the ideological bent to be part of the administration.

I think Clinton meets both those criteria.

The rest doesn't matter much to me... Obama wins the GE or he loses the GE -- his running mate won't factor in that.

I'm not advocating HRC as veep -- I'm just saying I don't care.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:22:05 PM EST
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Hillary for Supreme Court (none / 0)

I'd rather have Hillary Clinton on the Supreme Court. Then her legal mind and strong sense of justice will help move the court from its rightward shift, and she won't have to campaign anymore. There are few positions in America more powerful than the Supreme Court.


by elrod on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:54:45 PM EST
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Re: Hillary for Supreme Court (none / 0)

I would agree with that if she was 10 years younger, Supreme court seats ar so valuable that I have hard time givng one to a person who's already 60. (Actually, I think this is goign to lead to people being nominated as young as possible while still qualified) Feingold would be good, and I'm sure Obama has a couple of Law Prof. colleagues from bakc in the day he could tap.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:14:04 PM EST
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Re: Hillary for Supreme Court (none / 0)

It's also been a very long time since someone with no judicial experience has been appointed to the Supreme Court.


by mainelib on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:19:40 PM EST
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I think (none / 0)

there are fascinating contrasts between Obama, Clinton -- and Dean 2004.

In 2004, Dean grassroots events always felt SO disorganized.  I remember holding and attending events, everyone raging against Bush -- then having no CLUE what to do next.  Ditto for events and even some canvassing.

My experience with Obama has been MUCH different.  There's always a plan, always a list of to-dos.  

Obviously, I don't have experience with the Clinton campaign - but just from the sounds of things, I sometimes get the sense that they're somewhere between Dean and Obama....  I think Team Clinton has the troops and even has the infrastructure and ogranization to make it work -- but perhaps didn't realize they had actually had -- or maybe needed -- a grassroots organization.


by zonk on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:28:13 PM EST

Penn missed an important line on the Obama resume' (none / 0)

"Community Organizer"

Saul Alinsky is the difference.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:33:03 PM EST
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But LOOK at the MyDD 2008 Delegate Counter!! (none / 0)

Clinton is ahead by 55! 1438 to 1383!  It says so right there!

Why all this "barack is ahead" talk?  

Defeatism, I say!


by jc on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:42:04 PM EST

ROFLMAO!!! (none / 0)

Truly superb snark!


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:47:52 PM EST
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To some degree yes but... (2.00 / 1)

I'm also reminded of the book a minute review of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress:


Robert A. Heinlein

   I have a plan for the perfect revolution.

Reader

   Interesting, tell me more.

Robert A. Heinlein

   Step One: Live on the moon.

Reader

   Uh....

Robert A. Heinlein

   Step Two: Discover an omnipresent sentient computer.

Reader

   sigh

Yes, part of Obama's success has been his incredible grassroots organization.  I just can't help feeling though that the plan to emulate Obama goes

Step 1: Find an incredibly charismatic and intelligent politician who can inspire people who would never volunteer their time and money.

Step 2: Have the other party have an incredibly incompetent figurehead for the last 8 years.

Some of what Obama has done should definitely be studied, but let's not forget that a lot of it comes from who Obama is.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:46:02 PM EST

Agreed, to a degree (none / 0)

I think that only a candidate like Obama could have had the success he has had against even a... poorly managed... traditional powerhouse campaign.

But it shouldn't be overlooked that Clinton ran out of money, turned to her regular supporters and was promptly bailed out (whether the money was subsequently wasted is sort of beside the point). Both candidates have demonstrated the power of a fully armed and operational electorate, and I think that we will see this model used more and more in the future.

Pair that up with the example of Ron Paul, who lasted far longer than he had any right to due to a small but, shall we say, loyal, following that was active and organized on the web, and I think you have a very solid demonstration of the advantage of this kind of campaigning.


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:04:27 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

Great story! You sure lifted a lot of text though.


by JoeFelice on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:02:19 PM EST

Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (2.00 / 0)

I'm not sure about Obama's tactics, morally.  

It shocked me to find that he had voters transferred from Illinois to Iowa to vote in the Iowa Caucus: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id= 3940909&page=1.  There is a moral issue there.

It also annoyed me when his camp called Bill Clinton 'racist' for bringing up the fairy tale comment.  It is all too aggressive for me.

Having said that, if he wins he deserves it because for years he and Axelrod clearly studied and strategized on how to succeed in this campaign.   The grassroots are doing it for him.  The media is certainly helping.  

I spoke to a journalist who knows him personally and noted that Obama had a hunch he could succeed when he saw his popularity at book signings after 'The Audacity of Hope.'  He tapped into something left-wing people in the 18-40 age group want (is that both gen x AND gen y).  He is selling it like a pro.  I, personally, don't agree that he TRULY represents such progressive, left-wing notions, but I see that he has created that package quite clearly.  

HRC's campaign is not bad.  In fact, the race is surprisingly close which is interesting because usually momentum would have swung it Obama's way by now.  If past primaries are any example, the momentum of SC shuld have finished this for him and he should have been the clear nominee by now.  But it didn't.  What does that really say about his tactics?  It says he is a great campaigner and is doing extraordinary things, but there is still a percentage of us dems who actually paid attention to the debates and saw more substance in HRC.  


by findthesource on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:02:57 PM EST

Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

I'm sick of this bs.  No one called Bill a "racist", but many who have nothing to do with Obama found it "racially tinged".  John Lewis and James Clyburn had problems with what Bill Clinton said and neither are in the Obama camp.  The fact is that Obama has run a campaign to be the President of all Americans, and efforts to paint him as the "black candidate" were extremely insulting.

I, for one, still love Bill Clinton and what he has done for my party and my country, but that doesn't mean that I have to put blinders on when he does something wrong.  I know that people laugh at the whole "1st black President" stuff, but many AA are very fond of him and that's why so many had such a problem with his rhetoric.  Efforts to paint Obama as "the black candidate" or Hillary as "the woman candidate" should be unwelcome in this party.  You can blame Obama if you want for that problem, but that was an unforced error on Bill's part.


by GobBluth on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:27:16 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

What do you mean when you say no one called Bill a racist?  Between NV and SC, the entire media hinted that his comments were racists.....


by findthesource on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:40:24 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

You said "his camp" called him racist. And that is factually inaccurate, as Bill Clinton would say.


by marcotom on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:58:23 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

Barack Obama has already picked his VP- It's Time Kaine. He's a white governor from a red state. Its pretty obvious to me, besides who else would he choose? I'm not voting for him so I don't care either way but Clinton, Webb, won't be his VP.


by bsavage on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:17:07 PM EST

Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

who are you voting for then? in the GE, I mean...


by marcotom on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:59:01 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

One of these options:
A.No one
B. Green
C. Nader
D. McCain- if the election is already decided and Obama has a wide lead
E. Bloomberg- my first choice if he decides to run

I just can't vote for Obama, he's not a bad person but still he is inexperienced and is gutless reminding me of a Blue Dog Democrat. If the Republicans are cornered to their strongholds in the South and West, how will Obama as President reach out to these ultra conservative senators? That is what I dont understand. What incentive do they have of supportinf a Dem?


by bsavage on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:38:00 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

Webb's too valuable, Kaine actually has a third "x" factor he brings: he's fluent in Spanish and not Bush "fluent" really fluent (worked either as a missionary or in the Peace Corps), which could really help in the mountain west and possibly Florida (though think it may be Red)


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:18:16 PM EST
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Momentum and Clinton (2.00 / 1)

The fact that Clinton is still in the race has very little to do with Obama and everything to do with the power of the Clinton brand. Obama's victories did knock out every other candidate, because they didn't have the same kind of pull with the party and the media that Clinton does (say what you will about the tone of the coverage, the media never just ignores the Clintons). Plus the fact that she had some wins under her belt as well and had a very strong showing on Super Tuesday. No other candidate would have survived the string of blowouts since then though.

Oh, and Obama did not have voters transferred from Illinois to Iowa. He encouraged students at college in Iowa to caucus there. Big difference.


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:18:09 PM EST

Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (2.00 / 1)

Today's news from Seattle contains a similar story from Washington State about the failure of the Clinton campaign (which at one point seemed to be unaware that there was a state with the same name as Washington, DC) with the organizational responsiveness and savvy of the Obama folks:

http://www.crosscut.com/2008-election/11 938/Here%27s+one+reason+students+Barack+ the+vote/


by BEHJ on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:40:17 PM EST

Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

That's just I mean wow, everyone should read that link.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:24:15 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

Purplepeople:  I realize that he only encouraged Iowa students who are Illinois residents - and I realize that this tactic was completely within the rules!  I know Obama did not break the rules or break the law.  

However, for my personal tastes, I thought it was morally questionable.  I am sorry if my opinion offends you.  I am also aware that when it comes to 'morally questionable' the Clintons are no angels either.  

I meant no offense by my "shipped from Illinois comment," although I still believe it to be true.  Can we disagree in peace?? :)  


by findthesource on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:44:52 PM EST

Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

I don't know how it works in Iowa, but I know that in Maine, college students can register on the day of the election with a student id.  They are considered residents because that is where they live. It doesn't matter if their parents live in a different town or state.

A few years ago, a state legislator introduced a bill to ban this practice. It was so unpopular, it never even came to the floor for a vote.  People wanted this to continue because they wanted to advance democratic participation.

In Iowa, if the practice described is legal, this is probably so because the people support it.  The state has a history of strong turnout and participation.  States like that have rules that make it easy for everyone, including students, to vote.


by mainelib on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:51:45 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

I agree with what you just said.

And additionally, you act as if all those students were from Illinois - simply not true! The only reason why this was even brought up is that Clinton (and others) feared his appeal to students in the first hand.


by marcotom on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:01:44 PM EST
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Absolutely (none / 0)

My read of your comment was that you were saying he had done something illegal, not just something you found questionable. Questionable is a matter of opinion, and while it isn't an opinion I hold I certainly won't fault you for it.

Peace in our time! ;)


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:46:16 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

This incredible effort, which has the potential to truly build a very strong Democratic party, has been thrilling to observe and to participate in.

When I read the diaries and postings here that say that Obama is a slime ball and they could never vote for him, I really wonder if they realize what this man's campaign has done.  

Four years ago it looked like Karl Rove, the evil genius, had figured out how to motivate his evangelical voters with issues like gay marriage bans and had used sophisticated marketing techniques to appeal to slices of the electorate and get out the vote.  

That approach always had its limits.  For one, if you've already banned gay marriage, what can you do next?  You can't ban it again, many other social conservative positions are less popular, and the country becomes more positive to gays and lesbians with each passing year.

The Clinton campaign, with Mark Penn as their honcho, tried the same microtargeting method, as least with regards to messaging.  Of course it didn't involve the same issues as Rove, but the general approach was much the same.

But they were blown out of the water by a macromessage and a phenomenal, volunteer and staff developed ground game. Here http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2 /26/122346/110/347/464432 are some more examples.

I certainly hope that the strong Clinton supporters come to appreciate that this is the future of our party, our movement, and our nation.


by mainelib on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:48:14 PM EST

Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

Actually the funny thing is that they are trying to "ban it again" in several states, seriously they're basically adding like a line or two to the state constitutional ban in these states and calling it a new change to vote on.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:26:16 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

"I certainly hope that the strong Clinton supporters come to appreciate that this is the future of our party, our movement, and our nation."

He ran a better orgnaization than Clinton, but he was helped immensely by the MSM and the positive coverage. Obama is not the future of our party, and what movement? A Obama movement? A movement is about ideas and issues. Not using words like Hope and Change to brainwash stupid voters into voting for you. For many Americans, seeing Bush elected for the first and second time gave them a lot of hope for the future as well as change. Our country is doomed and we will lose our status as a superpower if keep electing people like Obama who are inexperienced and gutless.

Sherrrod Brown, Jon Tester, Jim Webb, Sheldon Whitehouse, lots of great Dems elected in 2006 and now elect someone with a slogan for President. Its no wonder people around the world think Americans are stupid.


by bsavage on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:46:34 PM EST
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Re: It's The Organization, Stupid (none / 0)

I agree with your post, to an extent. Obama has run a solid campaign, which was been aided by a very supportive media (not just mainstream, of course).

He has tapped into something that many people really seem to want and I can't fault him for that. If he can get Republican's to vote for him, then I think that it is a good thing.

I hope that if he wins, he doesn't wimp out to try to maintain his popularity. You can't please everyone.

I didn't vote for him and am not solidly convinced he's the right guy, but I'm also prepared to support him come the GE.


by Dari on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:24:24 PM EST
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