Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC on Bhutto

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Statement by Maggie Williams, Campaign Manager

"Enough.

"If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him [BELOW THE FOLD] wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.

"This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry.

"We will not be distracted."

Right on, Maggie. Do you remember this photo in the New York Times following Bhutto's tragic assassination?  And remember the reprehensible attack from Obama/Deval Patrick media/messager provider David Axelrod following Bhutto's murder?

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Obama Campaign In Disarray? Making Political Hay Out of Bhutto Assassination?
By SusanUnPC on December 27, 2007 at 4:28 PM in Clinton, Obama, Pakistan


It's hard to believe that Barack Obama's campaign could be in such disarray that its campaign manager, David Axelrod, would use the tragic, horrific assassination of Benazir Bhutto to take, as CNN's anchor just said, a "swipe" at Sen. Clinton. Writes Taylor Marsh, "The Obama campaign is in a panic. Mr. Axelrod's reprehensible statement is meant to deflect the spotlight and rescue his candidate, because as people think about the implications of Benazir Bhutto's assassination one thing comes to mind and it isn't the leadership experience of Barack Obama."

Taylor quotes The Page, which reports, "David Axelrod, Barack Obama's top strategist, told reporters after the speech that Clinton will not benefit from a renewed conversation about foreign policy in the wake of Benazir Bhutto's assassination in Pakistan."  Clinton will not benefit? Is Axelrod so desperate he'd make a swipe like that right after Bhutto's assassination?

In stark and relievingly somber contrast, the New York Times blog posted this new story at 1pm ET, "Mrs. Clinton and Ms. Bhutto" ... READ ALL.

Then there's what Obama goons are doing to civil rights hero John Lewis for his support of Hillary Clinton and for, so far, refusing to switch despite undue pressure:  

John Lewis no longer groovy? Hutchins to oppose him
Wednesday, February 20, 2008, 02:54 PM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

The Rev. Markel Hutchins will announce today that he's going to oppose Rep. John Lewis of Atlanta in the Democratic primary this July, saying the civil rights icon who has represented the city in Congress for two decades is un-hip.

Hutchins, who calls himself the "next generation civil rights activist," will make his announcement at 5:30 p.m. ...

Hutchins, 30, is pitching his campaign as a generational changing of the guard and himself as the youthful face of the Hip-Hop generation, with which, he said, Lewis is out of touch. The race, he said, is a choice between "the generation that started the movement to the one poised to continue it." ...

Repug-nant behavior. Even if Obama isn't behind this, he should condemn it.  LOUDLY.  But he won't, will he.

Oh, and that photo that's causing the dust-up?  Drudge, who else, has it:

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NOTE that Drudge constantly links to pro-Obama stories, and to anti-Clinton stories.  He got the memo from Karl et al. that they want to face Obama in the fall, and he's only too happy to oblige -- including the false smear that this came from the Clinton campaign.

NOT A SINGLE pro-Hillary blogger I know would EVER post this.  It is unfair to Obama, and meritless. NOW it's Obama who's made it into a phony campaign issue, and publicized the PHOTO!

Besides, as Maggie Williams pointed out, this is what politicians do -- wear traditional garb -- when they visit other countries.

Even Politico.com has now admitted that they just "assumed" it came from Clinton's campaign.  If Politico had BOTHERED to check, they'd know that this was circulating all over the rightwing blogs all weekend.  Memeorandum.com had a link to all the blog stories on it -- all of them rightwing blogs / none of them Clinton blogs.

And please remember that it is Obama's campaign that tried to make political hay out of attacking Hillary Clinton on the Bhutto assassination.

And it is Obama's campaign that is strong-arming Black Caucus members, including the civil rights hero John Lewis.



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Remember Axelrod's attack on Clinton re Bhutto! (1.80 / 15)

That's THEIR style.

Your comments and recs are welcome!


by susanhu on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:34:09 PM EST

Re: Remember Axelrod's attack on Clinton re Bhutto (1.00 / 2)

Sadly, I think that Clinton will be taking heat for this photo thing for some time.  And you should encourage it; after all, any hint or whiff of racism or sexism must be jumped on and pounded to death immediately.  Right, Clinton supporters?


by Cycloptichorn on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:58:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Remember Axelrod's attack on Clinton re Bhutto (2.00 / 1)

One of the effects of this type of blatant smear against Clinton is that as her supporter, any possible support I might ever have been willing to offer Obama, if he is nominated, evaporates. Damaging the only progressive candidate in this race is unacceptable to me. I care too deeply about the issues involved in this campaign, and this deliberate damage to her is distancing me irretrievably, no longer can I feel we are on the same side.


by 07rescue on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:37:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Remember Axelrod's attack on Clinton re Bhutto (none / 0)

We'll try to limp along without you, LOL!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:42:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Could you explain the meaning of that comment? (none / 0)

Oh, never mind.  Don't bother.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:32:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As I Said Earlier today... (2.00 / 3)

Rovian Tactics 101:

You plant the smear yourself, then you decry the dirty smear tactics of your opponent to the media who runs with it. Worked in several elections for Karl Rove. And, it's probably what has occurred in this case, too.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:43:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As I Said Earlier today... (1.75 / 4)

"NOT A SINGLE pro-Hillary blogger I know would EVER post this."

Except Susan.


by Adam B on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:04:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Williams Settles Obama Photo Flap - Remember O (2.00 / 2)

Here's what Salon's War Room has to say.


by OtherLisa on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:40:00 PM EST

your melodramatic crap is all over this blog (2.00 / 4)

qive it a rest already


by diplomatic on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:40:03 PM EST

Re: Williams Settles Obama Photo Flap - Remember O (1.00 / 4)

You're right. Hillary's campaign can't deny that they are pushing the photo because they are.

"Look Obama IS a Muslim after all!"

Well I guess Obama should thank them for acting like republicans during the primary. It gets him ready for the GE.  


by JoeCoaster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:40:04 PM EST

josh marshell (1.40 / 5)

As Josh Marshell puts it.

Put it all together and the Clinton camp would appear to be unwilling to make even the most perfunctory denial that they are or were circulating this photo around.

We held up on this because we never want to take Drudge as a fact witness for anything. But I think the Clinton camp's statement speaks for itself.


by JoeCoaster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:43:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Do you have proof? Oh, that's right I didn't (2.00 / 5)

think so. If you don't have proof, STFU with, "the Clinton's did it." Put up or shut up. "We will not be distracted..."


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:01:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Williams Settles Obama Photo Flap - Remember O (1.33 / 3)

If the Clinton people didn't send it, why won't they deny it?


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:44:30 PM EST

Re: Williams Settles (1.33 / 6)

Dignify it? We're beyond that phase. Sorry. She has to own up to it and didn't even bother a "I can't imagine someone on my campaign would do that, but if they did, we'll take action" response. This is pure desperation and tone-deafness from Clinton.


by elrod on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:50:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Williams Settles (2.00 / 1)

Guilty until proven innocent.


by susanhu on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:09:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Williams Settles (none / 0)

The responsible thing to do for any savvy politician would be to refute the premise of the story and promise to investigate if anyone in the campaign may have sent out the photo.

To leave it hanging, keeps it in the news.


by haystax calhoun on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:07:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Are you kidding? (1.50 / 6)

First you accuse Obama of planting the photo. Then you compare it to the Bhutto assassination, the logical connection of which completely escapes me.
And now you defend Maggie William's non-denial of this and transparent attempt to make this something "nobody should be ashamed of." As if the Clinton campaign hasn't been pushing the secret Muslim/marginal negro candidate thing all along.

Hillary is imploding in front of our very eyes.


by elrod on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:48:44 PM EST

In the eyes of Hillary haters (1.75 / 4)

she is always imploding.  But she STANDS and then RISES.

It must be traumatic for them that she is so resilient.

Normally we would want a fighting dem who can take the heat and promote our Democratic core values, but like we've been saying: this is silly season.


by diplomatic on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:22:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are you kidding? (1.50 / 2)

No, he said that the old style of American foreign policy contributed to the unrest in Pakistan, and that HRC represented that old style.


by amiches on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:49:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are you kidding? (none / 0)

Axelrod had tried to implicate Hillary in the assassination of Bhutto.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:56:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are you kidding? (2.00 / 3)

Somebody, please help these people read.

I reminded everyone of the very nasty remarks that David Axelrod made about Hillary Clinton following Bhutto's assassination.

Reading comprehension is part of smart reading.

Perhaps it's that you don't want to respond to Axelrod's inexcusable remarks.  Huh?


by susanhu on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:11:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are you kidding? (none / 0)

The two have nothing to do with each other.  No one has accused Clinton of being a closet Muslim.


by Adam B on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:05:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

she'd have to pretend (2.00 / 8)

that she thinks dressing in native attire when visiting a foreign country means you're not American. She'd be lying, she respects foreign customs and she respects Muslims.  It's Obama who is disrespecting his own ancestors by claiming it's a 'smear.'  Is he such a bigot?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:56:44 PM EST

Re: she'd have to pretend (2.00 / 1)

I can't say if Obama is a bigot but his campaign does use bigotry at times (D-Punjab, anyone).  


by David Kowalski on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:43:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: she'd have to pretend (none / 0)

Senator Clinton herself said she could get elected senator from Punjab at a fundraising party held at Dr. Rajwant Singh's Maryland home, for which she pocketed $50,000. Nice work if you can get it.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:57:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Mark Penn Tactics (1.00 / 2)

NOT A SINGLE pro-Hillary blogger I know would EVER post this.  It is unfair to Obama, and meritless.

Let's see.  Show picture.  Say it's not fair and meritless.  Picture spread to another web site.   Mission accomplished.

I have to acknowledge that maybe a pro-Hillary blogger would not post the picture.  But maybe an anti-Obama blogger would.  

Look forward to your work in the Summer and Fall.    


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:02:33 PM EST

Re: Mark Penn Tactics (2.00 / 2)

Oh lord.  Even KOS himself published it on the front page of DailyKos.

Now that the "cat's out of the bag," mostly because the Obama camp decided to make their candidate a victim again and pushed this story -- even, most probably, planting it with Drudge.


by susanhu on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:13:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mark Penn Tactics (none / 0)

"even, most probably, planting it with Drudge."

But, earlier in this very thread, weren't you the one to complain that people were applying a "guilty until proven innocent" standard to the idea that Clinton's campaign pushed the story?

Why the double standard?


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 01:19:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mark Penn Tactics (1.00 / 1)

Exactly.

Susanhu-- are you paid, directly or indirectly, to spread pro-Hillary propaganda?


by coffeetalk on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:26:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mark Penn Tactics (none / 0)

BTW-- I'm agreeing with the comment by mboehm above (not susanhu's).


by coffeetalk on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:30:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mark Penn Tactics (none / 0)

<<Crickets>>


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:01:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap (1.00 / 5)

Maggie's quote is very telling.  It's easy now to see where the ramp up in slimy political games from the Clinton campaign originated...


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:18:15 PM EST

Robert Novak (2.00 / 1)

PART DEUX


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:26:10 PM EST

don't be worried (2.00 / 1)

Why are you worried about any of this?

Obama has all the momentum.


by diplomatic on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:26:16 PM EST

Re: don't be worried (2.00 / 1)

Then why are you posting in this diary?

And why did your candidate's campaign make such a huge deal out of it?  What are THEY worried about?  If they were so confident, why didn't they ignore it instead of publicizing a highly unflattering photograph that's sure to incite the GOP in a general election campaign.


by susanhu on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:14:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So you admit it's unflattering.... (none / 0)

And why is it unflattering? Will you support Obama in the general? If not goodbye.


by Erik on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:30:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Susan Hu (none / 0)

Will you support Obama in the general election, yes or no?


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:03:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Clinton - Drudge connections (1.50 / 2)

Clinton has cultivated connections with Drudge and used them before:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/pol itics/22drudge.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx =1203951964-dMAs0opE63i43seNuakmjA
...Mrs. Clinton's communications team, led by Howard Wolfson, is not leaving Mr. Drudge to the Republicans. Five current and former Democratic officials said Mrs. Clinton has on her side the closest thing her party has ever had to Mr. Rhoades in Tracy Sefl, a former Democratic National Committee official, who has established a friendly working relationship with Mr. Drudge -- and through whom Mrs. Clinton's campaign often worked quietly to open a line of communication...
(via http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/)


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:42:30 PM EST

Re: Clinton - Drudge connections (2.00 / 1)

And which the rightwing blogs -- which pushed this photo all weekend -- had.  And Drudge SURELY saw the photograph at any one of those blogs first.  Or linked widely at memeorandum.com, which tracks all of the hot blog stories, and had this featured all weekend.


by susanhu on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:16:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: WOW! Hillary likes to attack 12 year old Girls (2.00 / 3)

This is ridiculous.  If the girl is making false claim of rape charge then it's the duty as the lawyer to bring out the fact.  The jury made the decision.    How are you going to preserve the justice system, if lawyers don't do their duty and preserve their oath.


by JoeySky18 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:45:31 PM EST

Re: WOW! Hillary likes to attack 12 year old Girls (none / 0)

But the girl, now grown up, says that this whole experience traumatized her for decades.

I understand lawyers have to defend their clients. But I also know that this was a morally repugnant thing to do - the way Clinton went after the victim - and that this will hurt her in November should she be the nominee.

If you think Willie Horton ads were nasty, you ain't seen nothing yet.


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:06:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Williams Settles Obama Photo Flap - Remember O (1.00 / 2)

Yes, please keep doing exactly what you've been doing...maybe Obama will win Texas by 20 instead of 10!


by amiches on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:47:04 PM EST

What's the fuss.! (2.00 / 5)

What i don't understand is what's the fuss.!
There is nothing wrong with that picture.
There is nothing wrong with the muslim costume.
There is nothing wrong with him being born from a muslim father.
why he is so ashamed of his origin?

I will still give my support to Hillary if she was born from a muslim father. She is the one with the best credential in this race.  

Religious, Race, Gender have no place in this race.
We want the candidate that will deliver the promise.

I will even support Romney the mormon if he can beat Hillary's credential and policy.


by JoeySky18 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:47:45 PM EST

Re: What's the fuss.! (1.33 / 3)

So the Clinton campaign passed this along to Drudge (something the clintons do not deny) because they wanted to make the point that Obama has a proud heritage?????

I'm sure you know that this isn't about being proud of one's heritage but about trying to buttress the smears about Osama being a secret Muslim.

It's amazing how people can do such hard work to prevent themselves from having cognitive dissonance.


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:08:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What's the fuss.! (none / 0)

The fuss, in my opinion, is that the Clinton campaign is not handling this well. Non-denial denials just don't look very professional. More important, the lack of a simple denial from the Clinton campaign is now causing the story to be about the Clinton campaign. Getting yourself off your own message is not a good idea.

Cheers.


by DougWatts on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:49:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama should be addressing (2.00 / 1)

why he criticized NAFTA but won't repeal it, not sending this kind of complaint out without proof that it comes from Hillary campaign.

Obama camp already said that they are not who is the source of it.  I have enough to everything be blamed on Clinton's campaign without proof.  


by JoeySky18 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:13:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What's the fuss.! (2.00 / 1)

Never let a lack of evidence get in your way.  

And by all means promote Drudge as an authoritative source.

Wow.


by susanhu on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:17:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: But who on earth cares??? (2.00 / 2)

Where are all those Obama supporters who like to use the word "whiner"????  Guess that doesn't apply to their candidate, only to others.


by izarradar on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:50:46 PM EST

Re: Outrageous (1.00 / 4)

... the lengths the Obama camp goes to get attention. It is as if they were in High School or better yet kindergarden.
Pathetic.
by forhill on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:06:03 PM EST

Re: Outrageous (1.00 / 3)

The Obama campaign didn't put this on the national agenda.  


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:08:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outrageous (2.00 / 4)

Yes, his campaign did with their feigned outrage. Maybe their internals are telling them that the momentum is not as great. As I said before both he and Hillary are losing to McCain by two points. They are in a virtual tie nationally. He has the most to lose now.

It is all about perception.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:59:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Outrageous (1.50 / 2)

"Maybe their internals are telling them that the momentum is not as great."

Yeah, or maybe their common sense is telling them that when divisive and ridiculous attacks are made it's best to respond. We all know how well not, or late responding to attacks worked out for Kerry...


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:30:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Visiting the Troops (1.50 / 2)

Question, has Obama visited the troops in Afghanistan or Iraq since he has been in the Senate?


by Scope441 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:35:12 PM EST

Re: Visiting the Troops (1.00 / 1)

You are beneath contempt.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:39:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Visiting the Troops (2.00 / 3)

How about that Foreign Relations subcommittee?

The European Affairs subcommittee?

The subcommittee he was made chair of in 2005?

The subcommittee he's never held a hearing for?

Or visited any of the countries, 'cept a flover stop in London?

Oh, and that subcommittee that is in charge of NATO?

That subcommittee that he doesn't even list on his U.S. Senate Web site, last time I checked?

But he lists on his resume at his campaign site?


by susanhu on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:19:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow...... (1.00 / 2)

The picture of Obama in Somali garb is meant to remind people that he "is" a muslim.  I don't even see where the Obama campaign has said that wearing the garb is divisive.  To release that picture is very Rove-esque and if she's trying to do that to a fellow democrat, then that is truly a shame.  Her campaign hasn't really made a denial either.

"We have over 700 people on staff. I don't know if someone on our staff sent it out or not," Elleithee said. "If someone on our staff makes the point that we are treated differently by the press than Sen. Obama, we agree with that sentiment. We don't think there's anything wrong with this photo. Sen. Clinton has herself, while traveling abroad, dressed in traditional, local dress. And there's nothing divisive about that."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 208/More_on_the_photo.html

So so sad.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:43:23 PM EST

Re: Wow...... (none / 0)

I was troll rated for that comment?  Was that really neccessary?  You may not agree with what I say and if so reply to it, but don't troll rate it.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 09:53:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC o (none / 0)

To the diarist: "Williams stops photo flap," that's rather optimistic, isn't it? As with any scandal, the denial is usually the beginning, not the end.

So the Clinton campaign fed Drudge this photo. He says so, and they don't say they didn't. If you want to say he's lying, somebody has to have a different version of the story. They don't. They did it. The end.

Go ahead and drag Bhutto into it if you want to. Commenting on foreign politics in not disrespectful to anyone. The Bhutto murder showed the bankruptcy of Clinton's foreign policy approach. It was quite correct to point that out, and in no way comparable to trying to fan the flames of religious bigotry to bolster a collapsing campaign.

Finally, I would point out that what makes a smear is not the objective content but what you are trying to do. If I were to circulate photos suggesting Clinton had lesbian affairs, that is a smear, despite the fact that there is nothing wrong with being a lesbian.


by EMTP democrat on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:50:36 PM EST

Re: what makes a smear (none / 0)

Well said.  The smear's target is "lowest common denominator".  Politically savvy folk understand how easily bigotry can be exploited for political gain.


by haystax calhoun on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:21:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Unproven allegation (2.00 / 4)

Obama supporters are unreal. You're ready to hang an unproven Drudge allegation on Hillary's campaign with no proof. How about what was said about this on Salon that the photo probably came from the same people who tried to slime Kerry. Look at the result. This time, they're trying to slime Hillary.

Just another slimeboat dirty trick, folks. Get a freaking clue!


by Nobama on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:01:27 PM EST

Re: Unproven allegation (none / 0)

They still haven't denied it.


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:34:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Unproven allegation (2.00 / 2)

You know, it's possible they don't want to get into the habit of denying every random allegation that shows up on Drudge or Novak, especially when the initial charge isn't even something that's bad in the first place.

But apparently the Clinton campaign is saying they were not involved:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/25/ 14244/0008


by OrangeFur on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:01:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Unproven allegation (1.00 / 2)

Now, I just went to the link and found that actually the Clinton campaign has not denied it:

"In response to an Andrea Mitchell question about whether the Clinton camp was involved in pushing the Obama Somali garb photo. Wolfson answered "No, not that I am aware of."'

That is not a categorial denial.


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:04:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Unproven allegation (2.00 / 2)

How would he know if any of the eight gazillion people involved with the campaign did anything? There are loose screws everywhere.


by OrangeFur on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:06:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama Attacked HRC on Bhutto (none / 0)

Uh yes.  Another well pointed fact and low attempt by the Obama campaign.


by LindaSFNM on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:36:54 PM EST

Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC o (none / 0)

NOTE that Drudge constantly links to pro-Obama stories, and to anti-Clinton stories.  He got the memo from Karl et al. that they want to face Obama in the fall, and he's only too happy to oblige...

Did I miss something? Did I miss the massive GOP effort, spearheaded by Karl et al., to get Obama the nomination?


"Don't let it end this way; tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa
by shef on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:26:12 PM EST

Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC o (1.00 / 2)

Williams: "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed."

Too clever by half, Maggie. You know full well how this photo is being used -- to further the sick "Obama is a secret Muslim" smear. To innocently say, "I don't see what's wrong with this photo" is disingenuous and creepy.

Why can't Williams just speak in a straightforward manner?


by DougWatts on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:56:10 PM EST

Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC o (none / 0)

I'm not necessarily a fan of David Axelrod (though if the choice is Axelrod or Penn--I mean, come on), and that Bhutto comment is mystifying.

But although the "Republicans want to face Obama" theme may be comforting to Senator Clinton's supporters, there really needs to be some supporting evidence for that claim.

For example, the exit poll figure is thrown out fairly often--that when you look at exit polls, Senator Clinton is more popular among rank-and-file Democrats--which is a good argument, except that it (inadvertently, presumably) reinforces Senator Obama's point that he's bringing Independents and Republicans into a coalition.

What is the evidence that the Republicans would prefer to meet Obama in the general election? Is it based on a "sense" that Senator Clinton would fight harder? Or what?


Fight the Counter-Revolution Build a movement.
by chicagolife on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:57:00 PM EST

Okay, that's it. (2.00 / 4)

The Obama campaign's behavior on this matter is repugnant and beneath contempt.

There is nothing even slightly wrong with this photo. To say that it is divisive or motivated by religion-baiting is simply beyond the pale. You simply cannot smear the reputations of others so casually or glibly.

If any Obama campaign official or ally asks for my donation or time this fall, I'll tell them to take their politics of hope and unity and go stuff it.


by OrangeFur on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:59:16 PM EST

Re: Okay, that's it. (none / 0)

The Clinton still has not denied it.  

In response to an Andrea Mitchell question about whether the Clinton camp was involved in pushing the Obama Somali garb photo. Wolfson answered "No, not that I am aware of."
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/25/ 14244/0008

"Not that I am aware of" is not a denial.  


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:06:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Okay, that's it. (2.00 / 2)

What should he have said? "Not that I'm aware of, and not that I'm unaware of, as well. Because I'm aware of what I'm unaware of?"

And even if it were the case that some low-level staffers sent it around, what's the big deal? I honestly don't get it.


by OrangeFur on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:08:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Okay, that's it. (2.00 / 2)

It's a big deal because it's dukakis in a tank. A picture that Obama look silly. That's why his campaign is freaking out.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:18:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Okay, that's it. (none / 0)

He could have said, "Not that I'm aware of. But we will try to find out and if anyone in the campaign did it, she or he will be fired."

At least then he would have gotten the tone right.

The reaction by Clinton supporters is contradictory.  Either it's
- Who cares about the photo, there's nothing wrong with it
OR
- If you think this makes Obama look bad, well, the Republicans will do the same thing or worse.


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:42:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I can't believe you're so stupid... (2.00 / 1)

...To believe something that appeared on the Drudge Report.

To summarize what happened today, I yield such time as they may consume to Talking Points Memo:

Just to review what happened today: Matt Drudge, a proven and repeated inventor of facts and serial slimer of Dems, reported that unnamed Hillary "staffers" had "circulated" this email and photo. He didn't say who the staffers were or at what level they exist in the campaign. He didn't say who the photo was circulated to. Based on what Drudge reported and nothing more, the Obama campaign attacked the Hillary camp for engaging in dirty politics.


by andrewalker08 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:17:33 PM EST
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Re: I can't believe you're so stupid... (none / 0)

Well, Drudge was right about Monica Lewinsky's affair with Bill Clinton.  He was also right, in a story leaked to him by the Clinton campaign, that Obama had said in kindergarden that he wanted to be president.

Yes, he is is sometimes wrong.  But then why didn't Maggie Williams deny it right away? Was it simply rank incompetence on her part?


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:26:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Williams (2.00 / 1)

It's Obama's 'dukakis in the tank picture'. It makes him look way beyond silly. Expect to see more and more of these kinds of pictures if he's the nominee. Apparently, his campaign thinks they're pretty damaging by their reaction.

Pat Buchanan has said that the GOP can put Obama away in the general in about two weeks. I think he's telling the truth here. A few more pictures like this and Farakhan endorsing him and he'll be just another mondale/mcgovern to put down in the history books as a landslide loss.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:06:55 PM EST

Re: Williams (none / 0)

Pat Buchanan also said that Hillary Clinton would never be elected to the Senate in NY.


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:39:58 PM EST
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Re: Williams (1.00 / 1)

Don't you know that Pat Buchanan is always right?  Specially when it comes to kweshtins of race.  </snark>


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:00:12 PM EST
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Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap (none / 0)

The HRC campaign did NOTHING to stop the photo flap.  Your suggestion that this has been stopped would mean that the story is dead.  Is it?  Not one bit.

What would it take to stop this ugly flap?
Obviously, it would take someone from the HRC campaign to refute the statement that was attributed to them.

Did they refute it?  NO.

I guess that the HRC campaign staff are OK with Drudge attributing the comment to them.  If not, wouldn't they contact Drudge to have him correct the details of the story?  

From ABC News:
"Back in October, The New York Times identified Tracy Sefl as the Clinton campaign's conduit to the DrudgeReport.

Asked by ABC News on Monday if she gave the photo to the DrudgeReport, Sefl, who is vice president at the Glover Park Group, said, "no."

Like Wolfson, she could not speak for all Clinton campaign associates.

Asked if she has contacted the DrudgeReport to seek a correction to its claim that the Clinton campaign is the source of the photo, she said, "No comment."


by haystax calhoun on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:59:04 PM EST

NO COMMENT! (none / 0)

This much bears repeating:

Tracy Sefl was asked if she has contacted the DrudgeReport to seek a correction to its claim that the Clinton campaign is the source of the photo, she said, "No comment."

Tracy Sefl is the Clinton campaign's conduit to the DrudgeReport.


by haystax calhoun on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:42:47 PM EST
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Re: NO COMMENT! (none / 0)

its not her job to fix problems the Obama camp created.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:47:23 PM EST
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Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC o (none / 0)

The problem with the pictures is that Hillary looks good in foreign garb unfortunately Obama does not. That picture looks hundred times worse than Dukakis in a tank.
Rocky D Punjab
I initially supported Obama until Kenyan episode when all his rhetoric did nothing but on the ground work by Kofi Annan moved the ball forward. Made me wonder how exactly is he going bring "change"
by rocky on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:17:27 PM EST

Re: Williams (none / 0)

Candy Crowley said that the picture is extremely damaging to Obama. He's probably lost the general election over that one photo.

The Obama campaign making a big deal out of it was a mistake and the press helping them along thinking that they were hurting Clinton when they actually were damaging Obama beyond repair.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 09:29:36 PM EST

Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC o (none / 0)

Jeezus. Aside from the fact that Obama does not look good in a dress, I don't see how that picture is going to cause him to lose the election--he needs to make a joke of it, and move on. Actually, I think with the right caption that picture could be really funny.

If people were really that freaked out about Muslims, Obama would not have made it this far with his "Muslim name." The ones who are hiding under their beds because they're scared of Muslims are pretty much all Republicans anyway.


by Alice in Florida on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 10:16:30 PM EST

Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC o (none / 0)

Obama's rapid responses in recent days have made me more confident that he will be right there when the Republicans go after him


by mainelib on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 10:19:43 PM EST

Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC o (2.00 / 1)

Rapid but dumb. Why make it racist? Instead of a Joke? I think he and his supporters have gotten this far by race baiting they feel why stop now?
Fairy tale racist? Political process racist? What happened with D punjab?
by rocky on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 10:33:32 PM EST

700 paid staff (none / 0)

And thousands, if not tens of thousands, of volunteers.  Hillary is supposed to personally know what they are all doing 24/7, in order to be able to instantly answer questions that pop up?

Please.  At least pretend that you are thinking of your opponent as a human being due the courtesy of a fair shake.


by Trickster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 10:58:30 PM EST

All of these incidents... (none / 0)

... show that the Obama folks have either a very low opinion of the intelligence of the Hillary campaign or a very low opinion of the decency of the Democratic electorate.

Consider:

They claim that the Clinton campaign was/is race-baiting. Why would the Clinton campaign do this? Either 1) the tactic is ineffective and the Clinton campaign is stupid for trying it, or 2) the tactic is effective and it's a smart thing to do.

How could it possibly be a smart thing to do, when African Americans make up a very sizable fraction of the Democratic electorate--probably around 20% or so? For it to be a smart thing to do, you'd have to think that there are enough closet racists out there voting in Democratic primaries to compensate for immediately losing 20% of the vote.

So either Obama's campaign thinks that 1) Hillary's campaign is just plain stupid, or 2) a big chunk of Democratic voters are racists. So which is it?

Actually, there's a third choice: the Obama campaign is cynically and despicably painting honorable public servants such as Hillary Clinton as race-baiters, when they know perfectly well that's not the case, just for their own political advantage.


by OrangeFur on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 11:08:44 PM EST

Re: All of these incidents... (none / 0)

I choose #1:
"Hillary's campaign is just plain stupid."

With which I would have to agree.


by haystax calhoun on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:29:28 PM EST
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Re: All of these incidents... (none / 0)

Actually, that wasn't one of the choices. The choices were which of them Obama's campaign thinks is true.


by OrangeFur on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 04:08:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All of these incidents... (none / 0)

Right...and I answered #1.  I think most of us would agree that Hillary is a smart woman, but her "campaign is stupid".

How else would you explain that from the beginning of the primaries, the HRC campaign has blown a 30 point lead?


by haystax calhoun on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:01:07 PM EST
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Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC (none / 0)

"NOT A SINGLE pro-Hillary blogger I know would EVER post this.  It is unfair to Obama, and meritless. NOW it's Obama who's made it into a phony campaign issue, and publicized the PHOTO!"

So, you agree that Maggie Williams is full of BS when she states "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him [BELOW THE FOLD] wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed"?


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 01:23:28 AM EST

Re: Williams Stops Photo Flap/Obama Attacked HRC o (none / 0)

Well, now the flap has gone into a second day.

Why does a top Clinton surrogate say that the picture on Drudge yesterday shows Obama in the clothing of "his native country"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnLSkWulP VE

Isn't she stating - not just implying - that Obama is not really an American?

Or she just showing her rank incompetence?


by mainelib on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:54:53 PM EST

Lewis to Endorse Obama (none / 0)

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/sto ries/2008/02/26/lewis_0227_web1.html

So, it looks like civil rights leader John Lewis is now a dastardly back-stabber, very much unlike the paragon of virtue he was while a Clinton supporter.


unapologetic Obama supporter
by dantes on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:12:16 PM EST


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