"MOJO"

Thanks for pointing that out.  i'm going more and more cynical by the day. I really hate the smear campaign.  

Can we just discuss on substance?   The policies alone already give enough issues to compare and contrast already.

I am a Senator Hillary Clinton supporter for a lot of reasons. There are millions of us and there are millions of supporters for Senator Barack Obama. I am glad you wrote this. I become distressed by the plain and general rudeness and foul language used in blogs in general. If this is the way we speak in general, we are a sorry lot. There is absolutely nothing wrong with voicing your views. After all, we have a Constitution that protects that (for now, anyway) but the language used to express IDEAS, POSITIONS and FEELING is often presented in the lowest common denominator.

And use FACTS as best as you can find them, or state OPINIONS as just that. The two are not the same.

Americans, whomever you support, please do it with grace, with well-written arguments on the differences in candidates and with thought. Anyone can write "f** you", but it takes a bit better than that to secure our place in the world, to win an election and to

Thanks again for posting this.

...prove ourselves.

sorry...cat hair ;-)

One thing that bothers me is that a lot of Obama supporters have been making comments about how crazy we are, and I think it's because of these people. It's hard for us to make the argument that certain Obama people are more vicious and fanatical than we are (and some of the ones on dkos definitely are) when we've got people around here saying they support Hillary and then calling Obama everything cruel name they can think of, short of n****r.

Obama's "gay love affairs"? Huh?

OK, someone claims that stories about this will be coming soon to a supermarket checkout near you. This strikes me as truly bizarre. And I wonder where it is coming from. Suspect Hillary knows enough to avoid any sexual innuendos. Which leaves the RW attack machine.

But of all the stories possible, why this one? BO does not set off my gaydar. He comes across as totally straight.

This accusation makes no sense to me.

i feel like the vast majority of comments made are by folks that i have only begun to notice in the past two weeks.

i dont know what that means, but i miss georgep.

I am faily new to this site.  Yes I am a Hillary supporter, but more important a democrat.  

And the Karl Rove references might have something to do with an article/opinion in the WSJ by him.  Explaining how Senator Obama can beat Senator Clinton. I dont remember all of it, but dont remember race riots being mentioned.

There are many majority-Muslim countries, and I believe that only one or two require women to be veiled.

Why don't the anti-Obama people use some of their time attacking Republicans.  There is plenty to worry about, e.g. the Justice Department gone wild, as described on 60 minutes today.

Thank you.  I support Sen. Obama, but see arguments that support either candidate.  But those arguments are not about either candidate's sexuality or the fact that the Republicans are going to go after them hard in the general.

Wait.  Did you do a "This Needs To Stop" diary over at DKos in defense of Hillary?

it was the lack of this kind of calling out of Obamamaniacs by Obama supporters that forced me back into lurking mode over at Daily Obama. The constant, irrational, idiotic, and childish piling on of all things Hillary over there is mind blowing, to say the least. I don't like it here either when it is directed towards Obama. We should be reality based, and there is PLENTY to keep us busy, supporting Hillary and exposing Obama's shortcomings,  without resorting to "silly season," if I may borrow a phrase...

I support Hillary, too.  I completely agree with your diary.  

Thanks for the concern about Obama, but the level of toxicity that has been steadily rising and threatening to engulf Obama is nothing new. The Clintons throughout the years have been called all manner of nasty things from racists, to rapists to murderers, the catalog of insults and innuendo is  lengthy. I must say I'm completely immune and numb to the plight of Obama, the Clintons have to live with it, why is Obama any different? You can't have one set of standards for the Clintons and another for Obama. Obama has got to toughen up, you govern the country you have, not the country you would like to have to paraphrase mad Rumsfeld. I am quite unmoved by all this hand-wringing on Obama's behalf. Sorry.

"You are making the rest of us look like complete crazies ..."

I have only been coming here for a week, but some of the regulars here are a bit over the top. It does not speak well to the credibility of Democratic Party supporters and activists.

Remember, flinging poop is trait of the Republicans.

Cheers.

exposed yourself for being grossly ill-informed.

Same goes for the anti-Hillary comments and diaries.

  Let me start by saying that originally I was a Dennis Kucinich supporter then he pulled out of the race he suggested we throw our support behind Mr. Obama so I did, but then I started to watch on a deeper level and I just have to ask of you the same thing I have asked of myself-where is it in the Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, The Bill of Rights or The Articles of Confederation -where does it state in there that it is OK to treat another American with contempt, and disdain? By treating another American in such a demeaning way isn't sort of going against the very core of what it is you say you believe in?
    The snub, was very obvious that you saw her coming your way, the disdain coming out of the corner of your eyes, the arrogance in your voice and actions, and what was most disappointing was that the vengeance, that vehemence was no different than what has coming from the "right" for over 10 years now- but it was coming from "left!"
     So I have to ask, is anything really going to change in Washington if this is how he and his supporters are treating another American? There would seem to be absolutely NO discernable difference what-so-ever but also there was absolutely no difference than what those on the "right" were doing...so for all of our rhetoric and I don't just mean the incredibly eloquent speeches that Mr. Obama has been giving, but rather that rhetoric that the "right" has been hearing from US for years was really just that rhetoric...and it really has saddened and disappointed me.
   To take a line from a short film I wrote several years ago- "I don't give a damn what you think about her or any body else for that matter, FIRST AND FOREMOST she's an American!"
   Think about that folks please, this woman is first and foremost an American, and she's a mother, and someone's daughter, why would those who supposedly "live by and praise and teach" The Constitution treat another American with such contempt? Where does it say anywhere in any piece of literature which this great country was founded on where does it say it is OK to treat another one of US in such a degrading manner?
    I'm not asking that anyone change who it is you want to vote for, I however as a another progressive am  asking  that you match your actions to the words which you all say you support-the words of The Constitution and The Declaration of Independence.  
   WE on the "Left" really do need to take a hard look at ourselves and make certain we are living and acting in a manner by which we "say" we support. WE, on the "left" need to make sure that the way in which we do politics is different than that from the "right"            
       If one truly is a leader one would lead by example, and so far sir your example unfortunately has not matched your words and for that I am most truly disappointed.
  It is my belief that this fellow American is owed an apology, and is due the respect and gratitude for the work she has done, if you want to see only the negatives in another than so be it, but if you truly want to see and do things differently then do start to look for the positives, I did and found many that I was not aware of, and for that she has my gratitude and respect.

        "...we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor"
                                                         The Declaration of Independence

                                                   When did we forget?

     I realize there has been very little drama on television since the writer's strike began, but this does not excuse the drama that has been created and spewed by the media and of which this country has become so taken by, we must also remember that the news is no longer just national but is international and "if we truly are to lead the world in a different direction than we must become that which we claim to be, only then can we truly lead. "  

I thank you for your time,
     Sincerely
   Kerry Snyder

   namaste

       "Jefferson had a Vision,
            King had a Dream,
WE have an Obligation and a Responsibility."
                                       Kerry Snyder

For one, I'm as sorry as the next guy for our presumptive candidates middle name.   Must suck to be an Obama fan everytime that unfortunately fact comes up.   But what exactly is the plan here -- the whole country takes some oath never to use it?  why doesn't he legally change it?  IT'S HIS LEGAL NAME.  It's common practice to use a president's middle name.    And the Republicans are going to use it every chance they get in the fall.

Muslim connections shouldn't matter?!  Well, yes, in the Utopian States of America ya'll think you live in that would be true.  Awesome concept -- we'll just tell all of middle America, seven years after 9/11, that it shouldn't matter and I'm SURE they'll listen.  

We just watched Kerry go down in flames for his "anti-American" peace activism thirty years ago.  And you don't think the Republicans are going to beat all the Muslim angles to death?  OMG.  Incredible.

And well, this all should have been relevant here and on every Democratic blog for months as we discussed the ELECTABILITY of our candidate.  I suppose out of 200 million people we couldn't' find one that inspired us and didn't have all sorts of Muslim baggage.  Oh, wait, I forgot.  In the rush to nominate the One and Only we couldn't allow those details to get in the way.

It's not about the guys ability to lead -- it's about what the GOP is going to do with that gold mine in the fall.  But just like Kerry's visits to Hanoi we aren't supposed to talk about it.

I just can't believe we are doing it again -- handing the GOP the one candidate they can shred to ribbons.

Sorry you don't think that's "relevant".

Talk to the average American Muslim whether they want to bring in the burkas.  I can't believe I have to tell you that not all Muslims are of the Taliban variety.

Sorry, one MORE thing.  The diarist makes the point that if you are going to attack Obama it should be done on a Republican site not this one.

Wow.  I wish there would have been the same sort of outrage when progressive Democrats were using conservative Republican legend and folklore to attack the Clintons on Daily Kos.  To read about "Whitewater" on a progressive blog was downright surreal for me.

Face it, the Obamanation bit hard the hand that was going to feed it -- attacking supporters of anyone else as clueless stuck in the past whiners. And Obama encouraged and cultivated that thinking -- the idea that the party of the past forty years was as wrongheaded as the Republicans.  

funny how that circles around and gets you.  Oh, NOW suddenly what the rest of us think matters.  We need to get on board and stop the "negativity".  The way I remember it Clinton and Edwards people were begging for an end to the negativity on a daily basis for months.  now, all of a sudden, it's hurting the party, but it wasn't before now.

Whatever.  

And not having completely clean hands myself, I'll continue to make the effort to do better.

Kudos on the diary from an Obama supporter.

supporters here:

For example, I asked a question in a diary about some anti-Hillary signs.

In response, I was called a dumb-ass.  No Pro Hillary people bothered to say that was uncivil.
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/2/16/1 24423/001/110#110

In another thread, made a comment about how people were getting emotional in their arguments.
This is the response from another pro-Hillary poster:
"Obamabots are factless, crude, nasty little attack monkeys - just exactly like rightwing trolls - exactly. "
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/2/16/1 9361/9756/9#9

it seems commenters in this thread seemed determined to prove the diarist right.

I really like the original post, but then a good many of the comments degenerated into a good example of just what the poster was talking about.  

Chill everyone.  You have two very similar candidates in terms of ideology.  You have a horrible sitting GOP president and one almost as bad (in terms of policy) as he is.  

Whichever Democrat wins, trust me, the world will not end for the "other side."  I started out this election thinking I could not vote for the other candidate, but you know what, being a good Dem and a good citizen, I realized how utterly stupid that position was.  

So please, calm down, support your candidate and the process with good grace, and vote Democratic in November.

Agreed, good post, though I am an Obama supporter.  The false shrillness from HC's supporters needs to stop.  The negativity on MYDD is too much, we are giving the REPUB's lots of cannon fodder for November.  

-- and this may be applicable to MyDD at this point...

Change comes from the bottom-up, and clearly here not from the top-down.

Thanks for writing this. I hope more reasonable folks come forward to denounce the embarrassing content that has taken over this site.

DKos needs some lessons on Hillary Hate as well.

word.

even in comments to your post, people just can't help themselves. it's really, remarkably sad to see mydd devolve in such a way. both sides. and both sides think they're so fucking, demonstrably right. it's politics, folks. there ain't no "right."

can we all get back to being nasty at republicans? way more fun, way more appropriate. did anyone see 60 minutes? and you think bo/hrc are bad?

get a grip. the supreme court's at the tipping point. let's rally behind both candidates, and our congressional candidates, and put in the hard work needed to win.

this bickering is seriously counterproductive.

thanks for the post.

In Monty Python's Life of Brian, one scene in particular reminds me the current state of the Democratic Party.  Two separate groups fighting for the liberation of Israel from the Roman occupation happen upon each other sneaking into Pilate's residence, each intent on kidnapping Pliate's wife and holding her for ransom in an attempt to presumably to rid their land once and for all of the evil Romans (aka Republicans).  Since the two groups (intent on the same goal) couldn't come to agreement on how to conduct the kidnapping, they elect instead to turn on each other killing each and every last one of them until there is but one left standing.  The Roman guards look on with amazement at the absolute stupidity of the factions turned on each other.  The GOP just has to be howling at how petty we sound on these blogs.

Would it be too much to support your own candidate and be at least remotely civil towards those supporting the other candidate?  

The venom I see on these posts is unreal.  When I am tempted to lash out in cyberland it ususally is a good sign I need to shut off my computer and go take a walk outside, enjoy the fresh air and chill out a bit.  

I like Barack (alot), but I will certainly support Hillary if she ends up being the nominee.  I couldn't imagine allowing myself to vote for four more years of Bush & Co. just to spite the immature behavior of another Democrat who happens to think the "other guy" is a better choice, no matter how petty and immature they were.  You can bet for every full of bravado idiotic Obamaton one runs across on the blogs there is an equally stupid and looney Clintonista waiting to jump in at the next opportunity.

I should say that I really do appreciate the limited number of well thought out respectful posts I run across.  I try to keep an open mind and consider new information but if that information is couched in hate, cynicism or sarcasm, well then forget it, you just lost me.  They say that bees are attracted to honey, the same principle works here.        

There is going to have to come a time when Democrats get together and start to take on John McCain. I personally am an Obama supporter who thinks that he has all but wrapped up the nomination, but I know there are still lots of Clinton voters out there who want her to press on.

I think that the best thing to do is to wait until after Texas and Ohio next week. If Clinton can win both decisively then she should press on. But if she loses one or both or comes close to tying it would be time for her to realize that she cannot make up the difference in pledged delegates and drop out of the race.

We could wait until summer to unite behind one candidate, but it will hurt party unity. I think Clinton and Obama supports all have the same goal in November: taking back the White House (Yearggghhhhh!) But this is going to require a strong united front amongst both Clinton and Obama supporters.

Thanks for writing this. All of these attacks really don't matter in the end because the more attacks there are, the less issues are talked about, which one would think the Clinton campaign would want.

However, I sincerely hope that once we have a nominee, no matter who it is, we can all align behind her or him. Anybody who says they are going to McCain or God-forbid Nader if one or the other is the nominee shouldn't consider themselves a Democrat and should consider themselves a temper-tantrum prone two-year old who takes their ball and goes home if they can't win. Or at least that what my Grandma would say.

thing is Mr. Thompson.

to me and a lot of folks who voted for George Bush in 2004, this just makes Sen. McCain or if he pull off his miracle, Gov. Huckabee look good.
Remember that even after all of the bad press and loss of Republican confidence for Pres. Bush, he still won the 2002 pres election.

Someone should embroider this on folks pillows. So they can read each night before they go to sleep.

Better the devil you know, than the one one don't.

It is President George Bush NOT President John Kerry.

As I can appreciate your views expessed so nicely here, I cannot help journaling my thoughts on the Obama campaign.  

He is at best, inspirational gone wild. At worst, all that I've said and more.

In any event, part of the views expressed here are just that.  Not trollers, 13 y o's or venemous snakes.  Just views and right now take pleasure in the fact that IF 13 y o's were here, they'd be involved in the democratic process instead of watching American Idol.

I curious.

A while back I heard a mainstream reporter say that it was the media's job to cull out the presidential candidate wantabes. To make the media's job easier and to help the voter. I agree with the NH folks who said in their primary. No media. You don't choose the candidates we the voters do.

I hear on Rush Limbaugh that the main stream media is a liberal one, well except for Fox. But if they are so liberal how come they're going after Sen. Clinton and not Sen. Obama? How come they went after Howard Dean and John Edwards in the 2004 election? While you are fighting each other, who's running the media. If it isn't ya'll then who is? Why is the media taking sides so early?

The issue is not that Obama is getting hit, but comparing him to the black panthers or insinuating that he somehow a Muslim nationalist or even labeling him as 08s Lieberman isn't just counterproductive its false. We all have far better things to do than spew bile on Obama or Clinton.

There's a place you can go....and hint, it's the color of cheetos.  Now, run!

This race has made all intelligent conversation impossible.  Look, I support Obama, I've got several friends who support Clinton, and we would NEVER treat each other like this.  It's beyond disgusting and well into the area of complete cognitive breakdown.

Everything I read on this site now is either some retarded vitriolic attack on the other candidate or a response accusing them of being a troll, followed by conspiracy theories about how the troll is actually a fake troll imposter who actually supports the attacked candidate.

This is fucking ridiculous and has turned a good blog into a children's playground.  So go have at it, beat each other up, tease each other, make up rumors, bully, pick on, accuse, whine, and be a bunch of idiot children.

And John McCain will win the presidency and nuke Iran.  I wash my hands.

Thank you very much for this post. I'm a longtime DailyKos reader and Obama supporter and actually only discovered mydd.com through www.hillaryis44.org - and if anyone is actually wondering if these kinds of comments are coming from people actually supporting Hillary, then unfortunately that site is a good example.

I'm not voting for a candidate based on what their supporters say - let's just get that out of the way.  And I call out both sides who say "I'd never vote for Clinton/Obama, their supporters are so HORRIBLE." That's not what you should judge a potential President on.

I'm also not going to just point a finger at one camp and say mudslinging comes from one side and only that side. Random Obama supporters on blog comments can be snide and nasty as well.

But it certainly bears repeating that no matter how much you personally loathe a candidate, how much it turns your stomach to even read their name - using the politics of ethnic bigotry, pandering, and religious bogeymen is debasing not only your own opinion, but debasing to the candidate in who's defense you utilize them. If you hate those tactics when Republicans use them, then don't justify the same actions by saying they'll just do it later anyway - at least have the integrity to stand behind your statements.

The only way to end this kind of escalation is to take a personal role in not perpetuating it. Stop pointing fingers and justifying an endless campaign of rebuttals. And both sides must participate.