Ralph Nader Running Again

Look who's back.

Ralph Nader said Sunday he will run for president as a third-party candidate, criticizing the top White House contenders as too close to big business and pledging to repeat a bid that will "shift the power from the few to the many."

Nader, 73, said most people are disenchanted with the Democratic and Republican parties due to a prolonged Iraq war and a shaky economy. The consumer advocate also blamed tax and other corporate-friendly policies under the Bush administration that he said have left many lower- and middle-class people in debt.

"You take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut out, marginalized and disrespected," he said. "You go from Iraq, to Palestine to Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the bumbling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the Democrats in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax cuts."

"In that context, I have decided to run for president," Nader told NBC's "Meet the Press."

OK, so Meet The Press gave Nader what seemed like 15 minutes or so to not only announce his third run for the presidency but to explain why he's running. Whatever are the Nader whiners who claim the media locks out third party candidates and non-corporate messages going to say now?

The funniest thing about Nader's appearance on MTP this morning is that he once again couched his rationale for running in this idea that the American people view the two parties as equally culpable in the ills of society. Sure, it's true the Democrats didn't stop Bush on the war and on many things; as I've said many times, the worst initiatives of the past 7 years were bi-partisan, so by definition at least some Democrats supported them, which is exactly what we're trying to change from within the party. But this year of all years to paint the perception of both parties as equally bad is such a joke and so out of touch with reality; look at the discrepancy in turnout in the primaries, the discrepancy in the amounts of money being raised by the parties, not just the presidential candidates but also the committees, the enthusiasm for the Democrats is the big story of this year. So this argument that people are disillusioned by both parties equally is a joke.

But I don't blame Nader for running this year. Why wouldn't he, he sees an opportunity. What he won't say, because it would undermine his entire reason for running, is that stuff that he was advocating for years ago, things like universal healthcare and withdrawal from Iraq, are now on the lips of each Democratic candidate. He sees the Democrats inching to the left and that it's been the Democrats who've mainstreamed his message so he sees the chance to inch them even further and mainstream it even more.  

The fact is our candidates can be better on issues such as healthcare and Israel so I don't mind Nader there to try to push them a bit further to better; and to those who fear that Obama or Clinton would be too librul (!) maybe Nader will serve as a reality check, evidence that Obama and Clinton's views are more mainstream than the Republican Party and John McCain would have them believe. But Nader's right on one thing, that if we can't beat the Republican this year, we might as well pack it up and go home, so I say bring it on, Ralph. Our candidate will wipe the floor with John McCain with or without Nader in this race.



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Re: Ralph Nader Running Again (2.00 / 1)

Good for you.


by spirowasright on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:35:18 PM EST

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I am for Obama. Obama is going to win this primary. And I still won't whine about Nader running. if Obama is good enough, Nader will be a non factor. The question for Todd Beeton is why does he come across as a whiner?

Let it go. Let Nader run. He will not be a factor. And if he does become, it is only because we let him become a factor.

There is room for everyone. Campaign like winners and just like a deparment store accounts for predicable losses by theft or some other reason, any candidate from one of the two big parties has to account for this during every single Presidential election.

All I see is people like you whining. Remember 2000. Who were the whiners then?

Interesting, Todd hasn't felt like putting a single post calling certain Hillary voters who are thinking of sitting out or voting for McCain whiners. Because I see more of those type on MYDD lately.


by Pravin on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:38:42 PM EST

I take back part of my last comment (none / 0)

OK I got pissed after reading Todd's first paragraph. But then I just read the entire diary.
I take back some of my stuff. It looks like we agree on more points than I thought.
by Pravin on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:40:43 PM EST
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It's the Alamo for the diehards.  There will be blood :^)


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:42:08 PM EST
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Ralph Nader proves once again he's an unreasonable man.  Oh wait, that's the title of his new book.   What a surprise.


by Piuma on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:40:49 PM EST

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And I think that's the real reason he's running again.  Book sales are down.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:30:32 PM EST
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I won't vote for Nader, but he does make a good point about health policy.  

Most Americans support single payer, yet Clinton and Obama are arguing about what I see as a minor difference in the broad array of possible health policies.  I wish they would be more bold and go where most Americans are.  Both of them orient citizens through the crappy system of profit-making health insurance companies we have now.

There will a political fight over this no matter what.  Why not make it over something really good, which most Americans already support?  


by mainelib on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:42:34 PM EST

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Anyone who advocates an immediate switch to single payer needs to articulate how they deal with the employment and labor contracts which have employer provided health care as part of the  contract.  


by Piuma on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:46:26 PM EST
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Well, you don't need to switch immediately, do you?

You can always allow people to stay in the private health insurance system and you can take time to have unions negotiate new contracts with employers.


by mainelib on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:49:34 PM EST
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But isn't that essentially what Obama is doing?  Instead of removing employer provided health care from the equation he is expanding it to all through his employer mandate.  What was a benefit above the norm will become the norm.  It's why it sets us on the path of single payer.


by Piuma on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:53:11 PM EST
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No it's not. but then you have to keep arguing that position because he's your candidate.


by bruh21 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:55:38 PM EST
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He's about to become our candidate.  Perhaps you should start to look at his policy and the process he advocates to get it approved and start figuring out your place in that and how you can help move it toward the goal you seek - which is no different than the goal I seek or any of us seek, including Obama.


by Piuma on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:11:17 PM EST
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Perhaps you should realize I have. Is this going to be your approach if he does become President? To pretend ?


by bruh21 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:57:07 AM EST
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What I find most encouraging about his plan - and something rarely discussed is this:


Catastrophic health expenditures account for a high percentage of medical expenses for private insurers. The Obama plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold if they guarantee such savings are used to reduce the cost of workers' premiums.

This is the path to single payer.  Obama is mandating employers to provide insurance and then makes that insurance a co-venture between private and public.  It is the clear path toward a Medicare/Medicare Advantage model we now have.  


by Piuma on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 11:14:14 AM EST
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I think the US made a bad move with employers covering costs for health care.  They have been dumping that obligation and now companies are relocating to other countries - even Canada - because they don't have to pay for health insurance.

Single payer really is better and I wish the Democratic candidates would support it.  It's funded by a progressive tax system and everyone can get their coverage that way or can go the private route.


by mainelib on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:02:58 PM EST
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Millions of Iraqis can thank Ralph (none / 0)

for their new, improved status as free people.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:44:04 PM EST

I agree with your comment, but... (none / 0)

"... as I've said many times, the worst initiatives of the past 7 years were bi-partisan..."

Isn't that the fear with have with Barack Obama...more of the worst initiatives?


by Shazone on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:45:00 PM EST

Two out of three ain't bad.... (none / 0)

The worst bills took place prior to 2006 when we regained Congress: no child left behind, the Medicare prescription drug bill and Iraq authorization. Hillary voted for two of the three. Leadership on day one? Fool me shame on you fool me twice shame on me.


by Erik on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:23:08 PM EST
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I suspect that if a workable government inovlved healthcare system becomes workable, many businesses will join due to economies of scale. We may have to evolve to a single payer system.

P.S., Nader will be an non-issue, just like he was in 2004.


by herbal tee on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:51:33 PM EST

Re: Ralph Nader Running Again (2.00 / 1)

What he won't say, because it would undermine his entire reason for running, is that stuff that he was advocating for years ago, things like universal healthcare and withdrawal from Iraq, are now on the lips of each Democratic candidate.

Sadly, universal healthcare is on Obama's lips only as he attacks it.


by lorax on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:02:42 PM EST

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Obama has never attacked universal health care. He just has a policy disagreement over having individuals mandated to buy private health insurance.


by mainelib on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:04:11 PM EST
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Obama is in favor of single payer, but in stages.  It would never fly with Congress as Congress is presently constituted.  Just ask the Canadians.  As well, Obama is not about to put a "socialized medicine" bullseye on his back for the general election.  


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:13:40 PM EST
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I believe Hillary Clinton spoke fairly eloquently about this subject in a recent debate as well.  She said that while a single payer health system was the ideal, it was not considered a practical goal at the present time.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:35:52 PM EST
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I'm asking

Seriously.

Withdrawl from Iraq? A Democratic issue.

You do know the political demographics of the Legislative Branch. Senate? Democrat majority. House of Representatives? Democrat majority. When Nancy Pelosi, first female speaker of the House, was interviewed. Right before she was sworn in as Speaker of the House. She was asked point blank if there would be impeachment hearings about Iraq. I mean come on the democrats had the majority in both the House and Senate. She would have the support back home in California. Impeaching George Bush over the war in Iraq? Yeah I think her district would be okay with that. But guess what she said? She said she wouldn't impeach President Bush over the issue because it would be too devisive. Instead she was going to clean up the mess in the House. The mess in the House? I thought the war was the mess in the house.

That's Senator Nancy Pelosi. Democrat.

And how is pulling out of Iraq a Democrat's issue?

Ralph Nadar. The democrat'  Ross Perot.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:07:34 PM EST

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Democratic control of the House of Representatives is fairly strong.  Working control of the U.S. Senate is not.  Remember Joe Lieberman?  He is still there.  You need 60 votes to do anything that can be filibustered against.  But then again, I am sure that you know this already.  So what point are you trying to make?  Democrats cannot do "everything" without greater control of both houses of the U.S. Congress - with or without the White House.

Unless you think that fouling the Congress with unwinnable resolutions, which displace those small victories that we can achieve, is a recipe for showing the American people that democrats can govern effectively.  

And as for Nancy Pelosi, she is Representative Pelosi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, not a U.S. Senator.


by wintermute1 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:50:14 PM EST
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OOPs

Thats Representative Nancy Pelosi. Democrat.

But now that I look at it.

That's Rep. Nancy Pelosi. Democrat.
Up for reelection in 2008.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:14:52 PM EST

I'm fine with it (none / 0)

and I agree that if they cannot beat McCain they need to pack it up, or maybe consider adopting positions that the American people actually want them to do.

I'll probably get flamed,  but I like Nader getting into the press.  Most of the things he says are completely true.  

While 2000 was a disaster and I understand the Nader hatred, lord knows I was horrified, glued to the TV, watching the election get plain stolen, but one needs to remember that Gore was the biggest cheerleader for NAFTA.


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by Robert Oak on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:16:06 PM EST

Re: I'm fine with it (none / 0)

Many of us remember the run up to 2000, and the Naderites telling us that there was no difference between the two parties.  They also said that the vote for Nader in Florida was "of no consequence" in the outcome of the election.

Both of these statements helped to produce the 7 year disaster that we and the world have endured.

Anyone want to give him another chance to screw this up?


by wintermute1 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:53:02 PM EST
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Yes, but one also needs to remember that the two newest members of the Supreme Court will probably each remain on the bench for 20-30 years and have no problem gutting environmental laws, labor laws, or scaling back the right to abortion until it ceases to exist.  Why the Supreme Court is never a hot topic during presidential elections never ceases to amaze me.


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:57:16 PM EST
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What an ass.

No shame at all.

People should send him pictures of what his Bush enabling has done to the world, to everyone.

He has no shame.


by inexile on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:17:13 PM EST

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NADER:  A self-serving narcissist whose 2000 run is responsible for the election of GWBush.  (Yeah, Gore should have won in a blow-out, but without Nader, he would have had NH and FL).

If the past 8 years (and Alito and Roberts) aren't enough to distinguish GOP from Democratic values to Nader, only intentional malice can explain his vanity run this year.

Note:  I doubt it will make a big difference, but this election will (unfortunately) be a lot closer than MSM and blogs would like to acknowledge.  Any distraction is costly.


by borlov on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:20:03 PM EST

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Gore could have helped his cause by not losing his own state of Tennessee.


by KensUSA on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:52:12 PM EST
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Everyone acknowledges that Gore could have run a better campaign.  Again, though, if you remove Nader from the equation, the vast majority of Nader's votes in Florida go to Gore and he wins the state, along with the presidency.  The fact that Gore could have run a better campaign does not mean that Nader is blameless.


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:00:51 PM EST
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Two out of three ain't bad.... (none / 0)

The worst bills took place prior to 2006 when we regained Congress: no child left behind, the Medicare prescription drug bill and Iraq authorization. Hillary voted for two of the three. Leadership on day one? Fool me shame on you fool me twice shame on me.


by Erik on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:22:05 PM EST

Who cares (none / 0)

After decades of advocacy work, and after having a tragic effect on the 2000 election, Nader is basically Harold Stassen.

He'll be a footnote to the 2008 election, nothing more.

He's welcome to run - 99% of America will and is welcome not to care.


by zonk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:31:50 PM EST

Nader is a GOP troll (none / 0)

who will be even more irrelevant this time around.


by bigdcdem on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:46:40 PM EST

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WELL AT LEAST ALL THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS WHO SAY THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE MCCAIN HAVE ANOTHER OPTION NOW!

One who doesn't support staying in iraq for the next 100 years and taking away a woman's right to choose

finally a good news story for the hrc supporters


by chriscizzila on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:09:29 PM EST

Obama has coopted Nader already (none / 0)

Nader couldn't have dreamed of a movement like Dean's in '04 and Obama's movement is Dean's on steroids. Obama is taking an economic populaist message to Ohio and the Industrial Midwest.

Anyone alive in 2000 when Nader won 97K votes in FL while Gore lost the state by 530 votes will always harbor a resentment to Nader.

In 2004, Kerry won the top 35 metro areas in America (basically every city over 450K people), while Bush cleaned up in every area with a population less than that especially the exurbs. There is not a red state vs. blue state divide, it's a metro vs. suburban/exurban/rural divide. Those states where the metro areas outnumber the exurb/rural (i.e IL, NY, CA are blue states while those where they don't (TX, GA, NC) are not.

The key for dems is to have a message doesn't kill them outside of the cities.


by chatters71 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:47:42 PM EST

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Nader is either incredibly narcissistic or he simply doesn't understand how to strategically implement his message (or both).  The time when Democratic candidates tack further to the left is during the primaries; during the general, they start tacking right in an attempt to get that sliver of independents in the middle which will put them over the top.  That's just the way it works.  If you want them to adopt certain elements of your platform, the time to do that is in the primary, when you can get them on the record supporting more left-leaning positions.  If Nader truly wanted them to adopt his positions, then, he should register as a Democrat and participate in the primary debates and campaigns.  By the time the general has rolled around, that window will have already closed.  Moreover, to the extent that people perceive that he costs the Democrats votes, that simply antagonizes the public to him and his message.  He arguably is driving the Democratic Party and the public at large further to the right as a result of his stunts.  


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:51:21 PM EST

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When Ralph passes this earth, all he will be remembered for is 3 election runs that have cost the political left important opportunities for progress.

In 2000, no national debt, no deficit, a world at peace, low inflation, low unemployment, rising wages were met by the notion that Ralph Nader and Ralph Nader alone spoke for progressive policies.
The result 8 years of national economic policy progress wiped out within a 18 months, a new deficit and national debt being driven by wild and pointless military spending, and a foreign policy that is guided by the irrational statement "if you're not with us, you're against us"

Ralph Nader cost Gore New Hampshire and Florida in 2000, he forced Kerry to spend resources in relatively safe Democratic states because he was on the ballots (and polling in low single digits), and now in 2008 here he comes again.

Thank God he will have difficulty making the ballot here is Pennsylvania owing to past signature problems


by kmwray on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:50:20 PM EST

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Does Nader have any money?  I doubt it.

He will need to hire people to collect signatures in all 50 states in order to get on the ballot and then there are various legal fees.  He may get on the ballot in some of the states where it doesn't take much but overall I can't see him as a real challenge.

This story will die.


by cjfb on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:53:58 PM EST

For the record... (none / 0)

F*** Nader.


by OtherLisa on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 06:09:49 PM EST

Go away Nader (none / 0)


by Korha on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 06:41:45 PM EST

Re: Ralph Nader Running Again (none / 0)

Isn't there medication for herpes suppression these days?


by mapantsula on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:37:06 PM EST

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Tell me Ralph Nader must has an interest in either the republican party or corporations, because he knows he doesn't have a change of anything but helping the republicans.

Just think Nader is greatly responsible for the past 7 years under the rule of the two deciders and the destruction of our country.


by Sport2069 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:04:01 AM EST


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