GOP Meddling Bodes Ill for Democrats

Republicans have won five out of the last seven presidential elections. Not too shabby. And who is the only Democrat who's managed to beat them in the last 28 years? A lying, corrupt, backroom deal-making, racist Clinton - at least, that seems to be the way a lot of people view him. Read the posts of some (not all) Obama supporters. You'll see more venom directed toward Bill and Hillary Clinton than toward George Bush. I think that's a problem.

Say what you will about the GOP, but you have to admit: They know how to play the game. If you guys think they'll give up the White House without a fight simply because they're dispirited, listless, and displeased with McCain, think again. People seem to have become overconfident because of the incredibly high turnout in Democratic primaries this time around, but let's not forget that turnout was pretty enthusiastic in 1988, too (almost double that of the Republicans). Yet the Democrats still lost.

This was brought to my attention this morning. It's basically a memo advising Republicans to vote for Barack Obama in the Democratic primary in Texas. It assures Republicans that McCain has the nomination locked up and that voting for Obama will not affect their ability to vote for McCain in the fall. Besides, it's worth the trouble to ensure that we see "no more Clintons in the White House!" Obama supporters will probably think this is a good thing - it suits their short-term interests, and the GOP is a powerful ally. Besides, who cares that they're meddling in the nomination process? The end justifies the means, right? Well, maybe. But if you aren't concerned about the implications of all this, you're not thinking clearly. We hear a lot of Republican strategists on T.V. claiming that they'd rather run against Hillary in the fall because she'd be easier to beat. Okay... Then why are so many of them determined to knock her out before she reaches the general election, even if it means they have to run against a "more difficult" opponent?

But maybe this whole "vote for Obama to sabotage Clinton" thing is no big deal - just a few hardcore Clinton-hating Republicans out to help Obama, right? No. This is a big operation. If you haven't already read this, check out Karl Rove giving Obama (unsolicited) advice on how to beat Hillary Clinton. For me, this doesn't inspire a great deal of confidence in Obama's ability to win the general election. Karl Rove, scum though he is, is a very formidable strategist. This is the man who managed to get George W. Bush elected to the presidency... twice. Do you honestly think he's just happily handing the White House over to Barack Obama? No, the man has a plan.

At this point, from much of the GOP's perspective, there's no way Hillary can recover; personally, I disagree, but as far as most Republicans are concerned, Obama is effectively the nominee. So now it's time for Rove and the rest of the attack dogs to go after him. Now that they think they're safe from Hillary, they can throw themselves at the man they assume will the last Democrat standing.

So once again, Karl Rove may play a huge role in determining who wins the presidential election, simply by "bamboozling the American electorate" yet again. Republicans don't like Clintons. A Clinton beat them. "Polarizing" figure though she may be, the GOP is still frightened of Hillary, and they will go to great lengths to take her down. Obama fans, enjoy your unlikely allies and strange bedfellows while you have them. But remember that they'll be lying awake, waiting to stab you in the back the moment you fall asleep. Republicans are just loving the conflict within the Democratic party, and they'll do anything they can to help things along and guarantee that there are a whole hell of a lot of bad feelings when it's all over with.

Talk about a vast Right-wing conspiracy.

The GOP is smart. Republicans are clever, sneaky, and brutal, especially during election years. And right now, they're practicing one of the cardinal strategies of politics: Divide and conquer.


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I confess to being shocked.... (2.00 / 3)

at Obama supporters who blow this off as a big "yawn".

I wonder how they would respond if the hatred coming from the Repugs were aimed at the Big BO?

Oh, wait, they may get that chance.  I wish 'em luck.


by Shazone on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:04:02 PM EST

Re: I confess to being shocked.... (2.00 / 2)

Looking to the same people who enabled W for all those years and who are now moving on to support another feel-good "uniter"?  Why would anyone want to appeal to them?


by newhorizon on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:17:27 PM EST
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It saddens me because... (2.00 / 1)

we are in such deep shit that it's going to take  intelligence, strength and courage to get almost anything done.  (Sometimes I wonder why anyone would want this job!)

Unfortunately, I do not believe in "miracles".


by Shazone on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:22:03 PM EST
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Re: I confess to being shocked.... (none / 0)

No. I do not take this lightly and I hope BO doesn't either.
At the end of the day though, what are the Democrats to do?
We know what the Reds had planned for Hillary. We have the seen the fear-mongering tactics that they used to mobilize against Gore and Kerry. Even though neither of these candidates were really unlikeable, Rove and company, made the election about gay marrriage and abortion.  
If Hillary runs,  it will be about the Clinton years, and I'll be damned if it seems like the fartehr we get away from the 90's the worse the Republicans make it seem.

So that leaves us with a Black guy (sorta), with a funny name who is a Christian.

What can they Obama with in the GE?
Religion

  1. Barack attends church regularly and it will be hard to paint  him with the democratic/atheist brush, BUT his denomination (United Church of Christ) does marry gays. To his credit he hasn't run away from religion like other Dems in the past,  the church he attends is very pro-black, so I'm sure Rove will have a field day. The problem is, McCain is soft on abortion and I don't know where he stands on gay rights. End result ? I don't know.
  2. Race
You know, I think the Republicans might stay away from Race on this one. I really can't think of any scenario where they play the race card and don't come off as bigots. On the other hand, I though O'Reilly gave the Obama campaign a softball with the Michelle/Lynching comment and they didn't repond. Saving for later? I hope.

Iraq -
Obama has got to do better than "I was against the war from the start". He has said on different occasions that he want to pull the trops out of Iraq, but he has also said that he wants to redploy to Afghanistan. These statemens aren't contradictory, but BO needs to connect the dots.

Mark my words. The Bush administration will manufacture some terrorist threat before November to bolster MCains pro-war position. How will Barack handle this?


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by xodus1914 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:34:08 PM EST
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Re: I confess to being shocked.... (2.00 / 2)

Well, Obama's said some pretty dumb things particularly in debates.  Plenty for the GOP there (i.e., guns, social security payroll cap, meeting with leaders without preconditions, etc.)  It would be foolish for Obama supporters to think that just because he seems untouchable on race that there's nothing out there.  There's issues that wouldn't be useful for Clinton.  I guarantee you right-wing 527s would make frequent use of them in a GE.


by newhorizon on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:04:07 PM EST
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I doubt that coming across as bigots would bother people who would morph Max Cleland into Saddam Hussien and Osama bin Laden. They have no morals, they have no scruples, and they have no shame. And they would probably be willing to gamble that the AA's are already voting for Obama en masse anyway, so why not play the race card in this election, and then try to make nice for the next election. They probably think that they could fool enough people for it to work, and they would probably be right.


by georgiapeach on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:22:25 PM EST
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Re: I confess to being shocked.... (2.00 / 1)

Oh, they absolutely will use race. Remember Harold Ford Jr? Didn't Obama date white women in college? I'm sure that will be fodder for some ads. They will certainly turn his name into Osama and use his muslim middle name repeatedly.

McCain gets support of gays because he stood up against FMA. I would imagine that this is one area where Obama would definitely lose to McCain.

The Obamas campaign w/r/t plagerism/patriotism has been a grave dissapointment. They had a chance to show the rest of us nonsupporters that they could stand up for themselves and frame the debate. They failed miserably. As far as O'Reilly goes, I don't really care that they didn't respond to him. It wouldn't make a difference.

Thanks for the serious discussion. It seems we only can discuss Hillary's faults which as a supporter I realize she has many.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 07:28:33 PM EST
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Great, great post. Thanks.

We need democrats in OH and TX to outsmart the repugs and vote Hillary.


by seattlegonz on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:15:12 PM EST

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I wouldn't count on it.  


by Cycloptichorn on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:23:30 PM EST
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Great post.

It always amazes me how effective the Republican smear machine is.  Who would have thought that so called "Democrats" and "Progressives" would use the EXACT same, baseless attacks on the clients?  I can no longer tell the difference between the Obamacrats and the Freepers.

Pathetic.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:23:28 PM EST

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on the Clintons (just a sign I should be working and not playing around here!).


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:24:42 PM EST
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I believe many of them are Republicans. When their arguments devolve into saying nasty things about Bill Clinton and claiming that the 90's were a terrible era, it's usually a strong indicator that they're not really Democrats.


by LakersFan on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 03:39:59 PM EST

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"Republicans have won five out of the last seven presidential elections. Not too shabby."

And also not too true. Gore beat Bush in 2000. The Supreme Court squelched an official recount, yet when newspapers counted ballots, Gore had indeed won. What kills me when I look back is that we allowed them to take it from us with relative ease.

I voted for Obama, would be happy with Clinton, suggest that we refrain from tearing down Obama or Clinton because it is foolish and only adds to the Republican anti-Democratic fodder, and urge all of us who support the Democratic platform to get out the vote and to work to ensure that each vote is indeed counted.


by LFL on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:03:33 PM EST

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But the fact that Bush, not Gore, ended up in office in 2000 proves my point. The sneaky GOP twisted things around, confused everyone, and put a Republican back in office.


by sricki on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:11:54 PM EST
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Basically Hillary got her ankles chained while she's trading punches with Obama.  

It's a very damn fair American fight.  So much for the biggest democratic country in the world, one voice is not one vote here.
We are a laughing stock.


by JoeySky18 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:12:48 PM EST

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http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/358

This is the ONLY way Obama is "winning" not counting throwing the votes of MILLONS in Fla and Mi


by IndyRobin on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:13:19 PM EST

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wow! Thanks for posting this, I just KNEW that was where all the Repubs voting Dem were going..I heard a GOP voter call in to CSPAN and say he was voting for Obama in their open primary b/c he knew McCain would 'whoop' and I quote, "that flim flam man come November"


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by ginaswo on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:25:19 PM EST

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We have not seen a poll or other evidence  that proves that Hillary can beat McCain, decisively.

We have heard the Republicans licking their chops for next year wanting another shot at a Clinton.

Let's not forget, Bill never got a plurality of the vote.

It's going to be hard with either candidate. Why  come with the candidate that will help  the repubs GOTV?


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by xodus1914 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:30:03 PM EST

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Think about this logically: Americans were happier, healthier and wealthier when the Clintons were in office; then BUSH, BAM!

Fact: the majority of the country wants us out of Iraq

Fact: the majority of Bush voters are dissatisfied with his performance

Fact:  Clintons have their flaws, but AMERICA voted Clinton as the third FAVORITE/Most important president

Fact: the majority of Americans want Universal health care and medicare reform

Fact: McCain will do none of the above

Fact: PEOPLE make buying decisions based on comfort, reliability and branding

Fact: Obama does have Muslim roots, a cult like following that is more eery than persuasive (I am not the only person making this point)

Fact: Obama is a perceived threat to the Christian Community...and Faith does not have a party loyalty.

Fact: Clinton has shown her Christian roots and will have cross appeal

Fact: put it together and decide for yourself, but make sure it's based on FACT not lofty ideas


it's Your Time America...take action today and make a better country; let Hillary fight for you!
by freespeechnow on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:39:51 AM EST
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So assuming that you are right, what makes you think that Hillary can't beat MCain? The Rupublican hordes will go after her in November like you wouldn't beleive.
Shouldn't we go with the candidate that will make it harder for the repubs to rile up thier base?  
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by xodus1914 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:34:31 PM EST

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Harder for republicans to rile up their base? Don't you think they'll crawl over cut class to vote against a "muslim who won't wear a flag pin, won't say the pledge of allegiance and has a wife that hates america?" You guys really don't see what's coming down the pike do you?


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 07:34:25 PM EST
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That's my point. If the republicans start up with these lies in the fall, that's a trap  that Barack will happiy reverse on McCain. And the media will have a field day  with Limbaughs and Hannitys if they run with the "Obama is a Muslim" line. It's all fluff.

Hillary's baggage? Very real. Either they tie her to her husband and get the revenge they always wanted, or she runs on her own and you see how well that has worked out for her.

Either way, I rather go with the candidate who bring the least amount of baggage to the table.


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by xodus1914 on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 12:27:08 AM EST
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Finally a voice of reason; I'm surprised they didn't try to censor you.

But, in the end, what I've said all along is true...ultimately, the Obama supporters are completely blind, deaf and dumb.  It will fall on deaf ears.

Try to convince a 'follower' of their 'messiah's' true nature and you only get slapped; never heard.


it's Your Time America...take action today and make a better country; let Hillary fight for you!
by freespeechnow on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:27:18 AM EST
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We've fallen on deaf ears...and yet, it's America that suffers.  We will in the end of this IF Obama wins Texas and Ohio, have no health care and stay in Iraq for another "100" years.

AND, all for lofty ideas, cheap talk and a naive country.

It's not about Hillary!  It's about America...take action today and make a better country.  Let Hillary fight for America.


it's Your Time America...take action today and make a better country; let Hillary fight for you!
by freespeechnow on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:31:30 AM EST

We must reform the primary process (none / 0)

Get rid of caucuses and get rid of open primaries. What is the point of having a party if you can't control who votes in the flippin' primaries?

As for caucuses, they are small "d" undemocratic and discriminate against working people and single parents. Get rid of them.


by OtherLisa on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:53:08 AM EST


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