Running Against MoveOn

The right-wing is licking its chops at the prospect of an Obama nomination because it will allow them to run against "one of the most liberal senators in the senate!" I know, pretty scary stuff. One of the biggest arrows in their quiver, from their so 3 years ago perspective, is MoveOn.org's endorsement of Obama, which the right still thinks it can use as an extremist albatross to throw around Democrats' necks.

To get a sense of the meaning the term 'MoveOn' has taken in right-wing parlance, take a look at how the Wall St. Journal recently framed Barack Obama's vote against telecom immunity:

It says something about his national security world view, or his callowness, that Mr. Obama would vote to punish private companies that even the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee said had "acted in good faith." Had Senator Obama prevailed, a President Obama might well have been told "no way" when he asked private Americans to help his Administration fight terrorists. Mr. Obama also voted against the overall bill, putting him in MoveOn.org territory.

In other words, MoveOn = soft on terror, blah blah blah. Obama likes to say he looks forward to having a national security debate with John McCain and, if he is the nominee, I hope he means it, including defending MoveOn against the inevitable attacks he's going to receive.

In the meantime, a preview of the sort of thing we might expect against Obama is being waged by one of McCain's BFFs in the senate, Maine Senator Susan Collins, against her challenger, Congressman Tom Allen who has been a true progressive in Congress and who was on the receiving end of a huge MoveOn fundraiser that netted him more than $360,000. Susan Collins thinks bringing this up to Maine voters is a winning strategy. She even has a website called StandUpToMoveOn.org, which she raises the spectre of Allen cavorting with his merry band of esxtremists...

Senator Collins has worked hard for the people of Maine, but now far-left extremists have decided to attack her.

MoveOn.org has made Maine its #1 target

According to the latest FEC reports, MoveOn.org has sent more money to her opponent than all of the presidential candidates combined, over $365,000 already.

...and uses it to raise money for her campaign.

She even makes videos...

...and touts the Allen/MoveOn nexus at townhall meetings...

It's fairly pathetic and I suspect fairly useless among most voters, although I will say my brother who lives in Maine and is an independent who is liberal on most things, has real reservations about MoveOn; it hasn't, however, stopped him from supporting Allen or Obama.

In the event of an Obama nomination, I do expect McCain's anti-MoveOn broadside to be far fiercer since the connection between Obama and MoveOn is starker than that of MoveOn and Allen; it's something to be on the look out for and something I hope Senator Obama will take head on and not shirk from.



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It almost makes me sad (none / 0)

That Club for Growth candidates always seem to lose!

I feel like we on the left often miss out on the demonization fun.


by zonk on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 06:44:06 PM EST

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Honestly, wasn't that attack played out five years ago?


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 06:47:21 PM EST

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Doesn't matter.  Anything to mobilize the base and independents.

That's what the Obama folks don't understand.  They're going to stop at nothing to label Obama a Tax and Spend Liberal.  Chirping "wasn't that played out five years ago" will not counter it one bit.

Obama, the undefined, is being defined by the Right now.  What a great way to run a campaign!


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by FitnessNerd on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 06:59:37 PM EST
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You must live your life consumed by fear.  Here's a newsflash: they'd use that line against either candidate.  The only difference would be that Clinton would have mismanaged all of her campaign funds so that she wouldn't be able to respond.  


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:09:47 PM EST
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Nope.  I live my life in reality, which is something extremely lacking in this presidential race.

Keep on walking in lock step towards the light...


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by FitnessNerd on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:35:31 PM EST
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While I'm walking, do you want me to stop by your house and get you?  I don't want you to have to miss your Fox News program.


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:39:00 PM EST
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You're clever.  Actually, you make no sense.  You stopping by my house would prevent me from watching Fox, except for the fact that I've never watched a minute of Fox in my life.

Come on...surely you can do better than that?


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by FitnessNerd on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:46:27 PM EST
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Hey, no lamer or less sensical than "walking towards the light" - what, am I dying or something?  I guess we'll both have to agree that we don't amuse the other.

I wish there were a market at Intrade predicting the attacks the Republicans would launch at Democratic Nominee X, because I would have banked heavily on "tax and spend 'librul'" as the generic attack of choice, though you apparently seem to think that this is some sort of revelation.  Then, you make a vague comment about how "Obama, the undefined, is being defined by the Right now," and make some sort of criticism about his campaign, though for the life of me I can't understand what the criticism is.  I mean, he's fighting on two fronts right now; it would be much easier for him to respond if he simply had to deal with McCain, though I think we both know that that won't happen until at least March 4.  Plus, the attacks so far have been so innocuous that I doubt they will have any real effect.  In conclusion, I don't see why you're getting so worked up about this, unless of course it is an attempt to seed doubt in hopes that Clinton will pull off the impossible victory, when in fact it just helps McCain.


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:13:54 PM EST
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"Obama, the undefined, is being defined by the Right now.  What a great way to run a campaign!"
Best comment on this diary.

I just can't believe that Democrats have done it again -- let the Right define the candidate.  And Obama did just that....did you hear Hannity today, O'Reilly, etc.


by Sleepless in Virginia on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:23:12 PM EST
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Comment of the day! (none / 0)

"Obama, the undefined, is being defined by the Right now.  What a great way to run a campaign!"

Excellent


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 12:24:05 AM EST
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Yes, that is fairly well known, and she is in recovery.  I do not see any of this as a valid point.  They seem to be a loving couple with well adjusted kids.

If you want to play the addict card, then you'll have to be prepared for Barack to answer questions about his cocaine usage.

Which is worse?  The First Lady who got hooked on pain medication, or the Presidential candidate who snorted coke?


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by FitnessNerd on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 06:54:25 PM EST

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I don't think this would become a big problem until MoveOn's dumb "General BetrayUs" ad.  The MoveOn issue will be a test of Obama's response machine.

It would help if MoveOn took a back seat this year.


by mikelow1885 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 06:55:12 PM EST

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Their methods are sophomoric and they alienate all but their core audience.  Everytime I would see one of their ads in the last presidential election I would wonder how many votes it cost the Democratic candidate.

Definitely a back seat.


by mady on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 06:58:41 PM EST
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I read something along those lines in a blog on an CNET News.  The guy is obviously a Hillary supporter, but he brings up some good point.  The Repubs will only press it further...

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9870599 -7.html?tag=bl


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by FitnessNerd on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:02:53 PM EST
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I disagree. Their ads are sometimes outrageous, but as John Kerry learned 4 years ago, an outrageous attack can really mess up your plans. I say "MoveOn! Sick em! Attack!"
by PhilFR on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:12:07 PM EST
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They have a tin ear and seem to do more harm on the big issues than good.  It would behoove them to retool their marketing techniques.


by rfahey22 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:11:52 PM EST
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This is NOT going to happen (none / 0)

Obama likes to say he looks forward to having a national security debate with John McCain and, if he is the nominee, I hope he means it, including defending MoveOn against the inevitable attacks he's going to receive.

If you seriously think Obama is going to defend Moveon in the general, when he wouldn't even stand up for them in primary season. . . .


by Trickster on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 06:57:19 PM EST

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If Clinton is the nominee, MoveOn will switch their support to her.

Clinton should be just as ready for these attacks.


by Loreg on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:38:09 PM EST

I know it seems like these Clinton supporters... (none / 0)

have completely separated themselves from the Democratic party and it's allies.


by Erik on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:45:50 PM EST
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Well, duh.  But the same would be used against Clinton once Moveon started backing her.  Whether the liabilities outweigh the benefits is hard to know.  I suspect not.


by Drummond on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:45:48 PM EST

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The Bush/McCain "100 yrs in Iraq" crowd will do anything to change the subject from the REAL issues... I hope Obama or Clinton doesn't let it happen.


by bettie11 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:49:34 PM EST

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umm I was a fan of Moveon.org and a member, and contributed, until they threatened dems in the summer and came out so strongly about how they dont need dems, they arent tied to the dems etc.

i signed off as a member after that, and quite frankly, if i'm turned off by them, i am sure lots of ordinary americans are turned off by them


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by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:56:32 PM EST

Most Americans... (none / 0)

don't have a fucking clue who Moveon is?


by Erik on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:47:05 PM EST
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As a former MoveOn supporter, (2.00 / 1)

small donor & and one who hosted multiple vigils for them & the like, I am truly disappointed at that organization for endorsing during the primary so between that & the stupid "Betray Us?" ad they did they are irrelvant to me. Sorry to say.  

Once they they ended up hosting their own little uber partisan witch hunt of their own in this primary I wrote them off. I think Crazy Train using an ad of theirs doesn't matter all that much- No one can really head off what stupidity the right is going to throw at any of us.

My issue with MoveOn is different, as a netroots person. I didn't & don't need MoveOn to speak for me in the primary, whatsoever, thanks. So I don't imagine I'll be in the mood to go to bat for them any time soon, unfortunately. I do wish they'd stuck to issues rather than treating Senator Clinton as if she were an incumbent standing in the way of progress. Screw them.


by bluemoon on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:07:10 PM EST

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It's worth polling public opinion on Moveon. The results would go a long way to make sure the Obama campaign doesn't sister souljah anything.


by js noble on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:30:48 PM EST

First question... (none / 0)

Have you ever heard of Moveon?


by Erik on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:48:39 PM EST
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They lost me on Betrayus (none / 0)

and I'm never going back.  Move-on is a joke -- a mess on the ground, stupid in the media.

With a son proudly serving in Iraq, Petraeus didn't betray me, Move-on did.


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 12:21:33 AM EST

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The ironic thing is, when the Senate voted on the Cornyn Amendment to condemn MoveOn's Gen. Betray-us ad, Obama skipped the vote. (Gee, Obama skipping a cnotroversial vote?  Imagine that!)  Hillary, on the other hand, voted against the divisive amendment.  So what thanks did Hillary get for standing up for MoveOn's right to free speech?  They endorsed Obama who was too afraid to stand up for them!  MoveOn betrayed us!


by costanoan on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 01:50:56 AM EST

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Exactly.  I wonder how many moveon members even know it was Senator Clinton who stood up for them over the condemnation resolution.  Mr. no-show Obama wimped out and did not vote to protect progressive moveon, following his old Illinois pattern of voting "present" on all the difficult issues.  A majority of star-struck O groupies probably don't even know much about his record.
 
by moevaughn on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 08:33:14 AM EST

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Also, I'm disgusted with moveon for saying nothing about the millions of Dem voters disenfranchised by its own DNC in Florida and Michigan.  I thought Election Integrity was a big issue with so-called progressives -- apparently only when it suits their side.  

The Dem Party is close to nominating the least qualified candidate to ever run for president.  This election is theirs to lose, and they are on their way to losing it -- Florida and Michigan voters be damned!


by moevaughn on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 08:40:54 AM EST


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