Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000

I'm not sure why everyone is drinking the Obama Kool-aid since Obama sounds like Bush did in 2000. Bush said he was going to change the tone of American politics. He said he was going to reach across the aisle and work together. And he said he was a uniter, not a divider.

Paul Burka points out: "Just as President Bush failed to unite Washington, so Barack Obama will have to accept that conflict, rather than unity, is the natural condition of politics."

Here's Burka's article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/opinio n/12burka.html?emc=eta1



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Re: Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000 (none / 0)

Bush won in 200.


by pastor john on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:00:33 PM EST

Re: Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000 (none / 0)

Obama does not have a majority of the Supreme Court in his pocket, or a brother who's the governor of a major state, so I don't think he can count on winning the way Bush won.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:05:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000 (none / 0)

Bush won in 200.

I must be getting old... it didn't seem like that long ago.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 10:40:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000 (none / 0)

Well maybe, if you don't count Obama's +50 IQ points, and his ability to form a coherent sentence, and the fact that unlike Bush, Obama does seem to give a sh*t what happens to people.

But I agree that nobody is going to end partisanship - not in DC nor anywhere else. Partisanship has been with us since the first time two members of a group of three cave-men each decided he should be the leader.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:04:07 PM EST

Re: Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000 (none / 0)

good point. and i'm not so sure that i agree with itsthemedia; i don't think obama really cares about what happens to people.
by nance on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:06:04 PM EST

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Well maybe I am being a pollyanna, but I kind of think that if (for example) a major American city was wiped out by a hurricane, killing thousands and leaving hundreds of thousands homeless, a President Obama would want do something about it, even before his aides explained the political impact of doing nothing.

So at least in a relative way, Obama does care.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:21:17 PM EST
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Re: Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000 (none / 0)

Come on - the dude has spent most of his life helping people.  You might not like Obama on certain issues, but that's just a mean generalization.  Both of our candidates are pretty damn good in my opinion.


by tom32182 on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 10:32:10 PM EST
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Re: Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000 (2.00 / 1)

Yes. I am not supporting Obama in the primary, but we need to keep things in perspective. More posts like these, please, and fewer of the bullsh*t racial references like the ones upthread.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 11:01:18 PM EST
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Re:Exactly & More! HYPOCRITES ! (none / 0)

Do you think Clinton will sell with non-partisan voters?  This is one of the most political figures in the country who has been in Washington for the last 16 years.  She has nowhere to go but down.  


by Toddwell on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:08:18 PM EST

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He did it through his personal popularity, which was so great that Democrats didn't dare to be Democrats, and soon there were few Democrats to speak of, except African-Americans and Hispanics. To this day, the party has not recovered.

So Obama is going to distroy the Republican party .... and that's a bad thing how?


by JoeCoaster on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:12:18 PM EST

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If we have learned just ONE thing about the Obama campaign, it is clearly not his intent to destroy the Republican party.  In fact, his many nods and pleas in that direction could well have the opposite affect:  Resurrect an almost dead party by a president who has no qualms to demand MORE collective guilt confessions from his side, thereby keeping the GOP free to virtually erase 16 years of blame, but then pounce on the very first sign of weakness (an economic downturn, oil crisis, Dollar crisis) to pour the blame squarely on his shoulders and wrestle power away from Democrats again.


by georgep on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 11:43:53 PM EST
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Re:Exactly & More! HYPOCRITES ! (none / 0)

> if Obama was White-he would not even be in the race today

Do us all a favor and keep that kind of sh*t to yourself.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:13:56 PM EST

Re:Sorry,No time for PC (none / 0)

It has nothing to do with PC, and I am not playing the victim. I am neither black, nor an Obama supporter.

We just barely got over a weeks-long shit-storm of Obama and Clinton fanatics trading countercharges over who race-baited whom, blah, blah, while the Republicans and their buddies in the media laughed up their sleeves at their cleverness for starting the whole thing and keeping their fingerprints off of it.

You ruined a decent post by needlessly making it about race. Keep your eye on the ball, you re hurting your own team with the racial crapola.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 10:54:40 PM EST
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Re:Exactly & More! HYPOCRITES ! (none / 0)

I totally agree with you! Obama's resume is so thin. He needs so much more experience before he becomes president.

I'm so tired of the way the media and Obama's people keep drinking the kool-aid.


by Enviro on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:26:51 PM EST

Re:Exactly & More! HYPOCRITES ! (none / 0)

Again, for the good of the team (the Clinton team and the Democrat team and the American team) please keep the racial crap to yourself. You can think it all you want, just don't spread it here - you are not helping with that approach.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 11:04:10 PM EST

Re: Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000 (none / 0)

What most concerns me about any similarity between Obama and Bush is the lack of specifics regarding any of his proposals.  

What I keep hearing on the radio and tv, as well as read in comments, is people filling in what they think he intends to do.  There is too much vagueness.  

My concern is that in the GE it will be the Rethugs filling in the blanks and defining Democratic proposals.


by nycdem on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 11:42:41 PM EST

Re: Obama and policy details (none / 0)

NYCDem, you're correct I think to note that Obama often fails to include policy specifics in his rhetoric, and in the debates - however, if you look through the plans and whitepapers which have been released by his campaign (and are available on the website), I think you'll find a very surprising amount of specificity about his positions and his actual implementation strategies once he's in office (he refers to "blueprints" in some of this stuff...).

My initial thought was that Sen. Clinton's biggest selling point was the credibility of her "ready on day one" meme, and that her detailed policy proposals backed that up.  But as I've read more of Obama's actual detailed proposals, I feel much more comfortable that he can do the same (and I feel good about supporting him for a variety of his other strengths, as a result).

Here's a good example of details: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlue printForChange.pdf


by Syrith on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 02:06:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama Reminds me of Bush in 2000 (none / 0)

Here's a more positive way (to me, anyway) that Obama reminds me of Bush in 2000:

Like Bush, with his nonsense talk about compassionate conservatism and bipartisanship, I think Obama is simply -framing- w/ many of the right-wing talking points and other choices that have made Paul Krugman, Jerome, and many others on this site uncomfortable with him.  I don't think he believes them; I think he'll play partisan hardball just fine behind the scenes, while the public will ignore his actions and listen to his words, lending him power just as they did BushCo all these years!  

And while I sympathize with the elements of the blogosphere that feel that Obama's rhetoric harms netroots goals of straightforwardness, using progressive language, and the like, it's more important to me what he does than what he says.  


by Syrith on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 02:13:04 PM EST


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