Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards

Looks like Barack Obama snuck off to North Carolina today to meet with John and Elizabeth Edwards.

"Senator Obama visited this morning with John and Elizabeth Edwards at their home in Chapel Hill to discuss the state of the campaign and the pressing issues facing American families," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. He wouldn't comment on the possibility of an endorsement.

Edwards and Hillary Clinton had their "secret" meeting a couple weeks ago.

More interesting than the fact that they met, though, is this elaboration on why John Edwards is torn about whom to throw his support behind.

People close to the Edwardses, speaking privately, say they have been torn about whom to support. The former North Carolina senator is concerned that Obama may not be ready for the presidency and that his health care plan is inferior. But Edwards was highly critical of Clinton -- her policies, her ties to special interests and her character -- during his campaign, making it more difficult to support her now.

The couple has been impressed with Clinton, who has more effectively courted them since the 2004 vice presidential nominee dropped out, people who talk to the Edwardses say. Obama has been less attentive, they say, and some of those close to the Edwardses have been annoyed that Obama has continued to ridicule him for once saying his biggest weakness is that he has a powerful response to seeing pain in others.

ABC News similarly reported on Edwards's conflict between the two candidates last week, even implying he was leaning toward Clinton.

In deciding between his one-time rivals, Edwards appears deeply divided. Several former advisers likened his thought process to a heart-versus-head split -- with his heart favoring Sen. Barack Obama's strong message of change, and his head attracted to Clinton's tested nature and commitment to tough fights.

Though he sometimes aligned himself with Obama -- and against Clinton -- as a candidate, several Edwards campaign insiders say the former senator began to sour on Obama toward the end of his own campaign, and ultimately left the race questioning whether Obama had the toughness needed to prevail in a presidential race.

These two paragraphs jumped out at me in particular:

Several people close to the former North Carolina senator say he may ultimately stay neutral in the race...

That may become a stronger possibility if Obama continues to build momentum toward the nomination: Edwards does not want to back a losing candidate, and neither does he want to join a bandwagon, aides and associates say.

Sort of makes you think that if Edwards were going to endorse anyone, it would be Hillary Clinton; endorsing Obama at this point smacks a bit of jumping on the bandwagon, and clearly would have far less impact than a Clinton endorsement. But it's hard to imagine his coming out in support of Clinton prior to March 4th before a couple potential big wins would give her the aura of a winner, something that's been sorely lacking from the Clinton campaign of late. My gut is that he won't endorse but the consistency and persistence of these reports of how torn John Edwards has been on the subject are very intriguing.



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Yes I know (none / 0)

but why wasn't he in WI?

WI WI WI?

For the same reasons that Hillary has been having a tough time being in WI. The weather.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/pol itics/18campaign.html?ref=politics


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:04:14 AM EST

Bull Sh*t (none / 0)

If Obama woke up in Chicago this morning, then he could have driven to Milwaukee in less than three hours (I did that all the time in December, January, and February while I was attending school in Great mistakes).
Obama went to North Carolina for a reason, and I am sure it was on his schedule for quite some time.
"Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I'll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you." The Monarch (Evil Villain)
by fetboy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:11:42 AM EST
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Re: Bull Sh*t (none / 0)

Yes he did go to NC, and obviously it was by invitation. Edwards has been at the forefront of avoiding K Street lobbyist politics, and only Obama has steered away from its influence. Hillary has been defending K Street from the start of her campaign, presumably on Bill's assumption that the candidate with the most money wins. For that reason, it is odd that Hillary's campaign ran out of it, while Obama, through the grassroots, is wallowing in money and support.

The best thing Obama did was to disassociate himself from the DLC, the politics as usual crowd, who are not at all embarrassed about claiming that if Democrats became more Republican, they would win the White House. The DLC has been proven wrong, on corporate run domestic agendas as well as on foreign policy.

It is not possible now for Hillary to separate herself from McCain's foreign policy agenda as their views seem totally compatible. Hyping trivial differences in health care plans cannot be the basis of a presidential campaign.

Hence, Hillary is losing and losing badly given the expectations just six months ago.


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by shergald on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:05:58 AM EST
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BS (none / 0)

Obama has lobbyist ON his campaign! Lobbyist have bundled for him. Obama is NOT pure! Obama is a corporate candidate no matter if you want to believe he is this pure progressive, because he is not.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:58:48 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (2.00 / 1)

Edwards would be smart to stay neutral I think. It gives him credibility with his supporters, and others who admire him. It also leaves openings for both candidates to work with him in the future.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:19:41 AM EST

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Exactly. It seems only a losing proposition to endorse now.


by wolff109 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 07:47:55 AM EST
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Attorney General anyone?


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:06:32 AM EST
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Every day that he doesn't endorse, his potential clout decreases.  I don't really understand his angle on experience, though.  These are the same criticisms that Edwards faced in 2004, both in the primary and as the VP candidate (and possibly this time around, too).  Obviously, he believed in his own candidacy at that time.

It may be good for him to sit this one out.  That way, he can help with the unification of the party after the nominee is named, without any unnecessary baggage.


by rfahey22 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:28:15 AM EST

John Edwards (1.50 / 2)

that answer to that debate question by JRE was PATHETIC. "Oh...my biggest weakness is that I help poor people too much"

What a pathetic loser.


by mcdave on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:28:30 AM EST

Re: John Edwards (2.00 / 4)

comments like this represent why I can't get on any other candidates bandwagon. Basically he's actually making a principled rather than strickly political decision, and your reaction like many children during this election season is to call him a loser. Apparently what Edwards was such a loser that both Clinton and Obama feel the need to a) emulate his message (Both CLinton and OBama have tried to woo people like me because they get what you do not- you can't win without the rising populist arguments) and b) they are trying to woo the candidate himself.


by bruh21 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:47:35 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards (none / 0)

I'm not sure why Obama ever felt the need to mock Edwards' answer to that question. It was a dumb question, the kind that never gets a real answer: "Well, I'd say my biggest weakness is that I have poor personal hygiene."

If I had to guess from the tea leaves, I think Edwards is probably leaning towards Clinton right now. The problem is now is not a good time to endorse her. If he endorses and she's knocked out on March 4, Edwards will lose a lot of clout with Obama.


by OrangeFur on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:43:30 AM EST
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Re: John Edwards (none / 0)

I don't know who he should endorse. Frankly, it's hard to have a principled conclusion on either candidate, because like I said, both are running deeply flawed candidacies based on among other things identity politcs, post partisan or centrists rhectoric (which are the same despite what people say) and whereas Obama is too green, his supporters disturbing and to right of clinton on some issues, it's not at all clear that clinton can be trusted not to throw things like healthcare under the bus, will not give in to special interests and will not govern right of center. Basically, with both candidates the same problems exists in different ways. THe problem with both is their rhectoric is meant to appeal to the lizzard /feel good brain in Democrats rather than something more substantive. I don't know what the answer is. Whoever endorses its his choice to endorse them. I don't envy this decision, but I would still respect it as trying to help get someone elected who can be the GOP.


by bruh21 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 08:33:52 AM EST
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John Edwards (none / 0)

Edwards might be thinking that if the race is very close going into the convention, he could have more leverage by witholding his endorsement until then.  

In any case, I'm not convinced that his endorsement would help Obama much at this point.  It would be more beneficial to Hillary, who needs some good news.


by global yokel on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:36:19 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

I called Texas ( San Antonio ) for Clinton and I must say I am happy my results.

100 calls , about 80 for Clinton .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:37:19 AM EST

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I was petrified at first , I have had some experience with trying to make a sale over the phone as I had worked in a call center before.

However it was very easy to make the case for Clinton , they seemed to know her so well.

Some said they remembered her from about 30 years ago.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:41:59 AM EST
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Good job (1.00 / 1)

Just what the Democratic party needs:

A long, drawn out, nomination process ultimately decided by a brokered convention.

Keep up the good work!


"Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I'll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you." The Monarch (Evil Villain)
by fetboy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 03:04:47 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (2.00 / 1)

Wow.  I highly doubt that.  Having made many hundreds of calls to voters, your 100 calls resulting in 80 affirmatives for your canddate is amazing.  Were you specifically calling her committed supporters?

If not,  considering that less then 30% of people one calls tend to actually be be the correct number and answer the phone, you're doing great.  Or maybe you mean that you called >300 numbers and 100 talked to you.  That's still incredible, considering that most people who answer don't want to talk about politics with callers.  And even more strange still since there's just about nowhere in the US where she polls 80%.  


by syrinx on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 05:17:20 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (2.00 / 1)

It's funny the reaction above as a former Edwards supporter is exactly why I agree 100 percent with Edwards, if the diary is correct. Basically, I don't have a pick between Clinton or Obama eiher because both have their liabilities to me. I've tried to reconcile these issues. I simply can not. They re deeply flawed candidacies. So I've decided to not support anyone else going forward in the primary and will instead support whoever is the eventual nominee. However much I think our candidates are flawed- their flaws ant hills compared to the mountains of flaws that a McCain presidency would bring to this country.


by bruh21 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:43:08 AM EST

Tea leaves say it could be Clinton - or nobody (none / 0)

from Halperin - The Page:

HALPERIN'S TAKE: Why John Edwards' Endorsement Matters (and what the best reported tea leaves say about whom he will pick)

http://thepage.time.com/halperins-take-w hy-john-edwards-endorsement-matters/

But the best reported tea leaves come from the Associated Press, whose reporting has been confirmed by The Page, regarding John and Elizabeth Edwards:

"The couple has been impressed with Clinton, who has more effectively courted them since the 2004 vice presidential nominee dropped out, people who talk to the Edwardses say. Obama has been less attentive, they say, and some of those close to the Edwardses have been annoyed that Obama has continued to ridicule him for once saying his biggest weakness is that he has a powerful response to seeing pain in others."


by Firefly4625 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:45:59 AM EST

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Just stay out of it all together.  Honestly his endorsement won't sway one vote.  By now, a great majority of Dems already know who they plan on voting for, or have already voted.


by nzubechukwu on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:54:13 AM EST

Two points more. (2.00 / 1)

The image of Edwards hugging Obama, in an of itself, is enough to give Obama 2 more point towards a victory in Wisconsin (unless Edwards endorses Clinton before Wednesday).


"Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I'll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you." The Monarch (Evil Villain)
by fetboy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:19:16 AM EST
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It was a tepid hug (none / 0)

Not sure if you saw the video, but it wasn't exactly a warm goodbye.


by diplomatic on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 04:29:09 AM EST
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It looked pretty warm to me! (2.00 / 1)

If we don't find out for a fact if it was or wasn't a warm hug before Wednesday, then it will be perceived by everyone who is not die hard pro-Hillary that it was a warm hug between two friends that plan to work together to improve conditions for laborers and the impoverished, and to curtail the power of lobbyists.


"Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I'll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you." The Monarch (Evil Villain)
by fetboy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:01:26 AM EST
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just watch the video (none / 0)

there's nothing to find out.  it's right there for all to judge.  and who cares really. we'll find out soon enough what he decides


by diplomatic on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:18:24 AM EST
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Re: just watch the video (none / 0)

Edwards has to endorse someone eventually, he's a super delegate.


"Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I'll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you." The Monarch (Evil Villain)
by fetboy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:59:38 AM EST
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Not Really "News" (none / 0)

I don't put much stock in thinly sourced stories like this one. "People who talk to the Edwardses"? That could be almost anyone, including people in either of the two remaining campaigns since both have talked to the Edwardses.

Let's see if we get some better reporting over the next few days.


by BBCWatcher on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:02:29 AM EST

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That NY Times article from Saturday was a revelation. Basically, it puts Gore & Edwards at the center of a strategy to provide safe harbor for uncommitted super/automatic delegates to wait out the rest of the primaries without having to announce their support for anyone, and also preserving the ability, collectively, to  "top off" a candidate with a substantial pledged delegate lead but not quite enough to formally secure the nomination.

Of course, some are interpreting this as creating an opening for a secret Gore candidacy: Gore on the 2nd Ballot


by blueflorida on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:18:05 AM EST

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That is completely nuts.  So, the solution in a situation where millions of voters have cast ballots for their preferred candidate is ... neither of those candidates?


by rfahey22 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:37:33 AM EST
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I'm taking issue with the Gore theory, not your post, in case that was unclear.


by rfahey22 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:38:32 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

This post further demonstrates what most Democrats have obviously known through two election cycles...

Edwards is full of it. Who cares which cat the mouse prefers?

I also noted that the language used described Hillary as meeting with Edwards in "secret" while saying Obama "snuck off" to meet him.

No obvious bias there!


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:27:18 AM EST

Seeing as Edwards is a super delegate. (none / 0)

He is going to have to endorse one of the two eventually.
The longer this nomination process gets drawn out, the worse it is going to look for the Democratic party. currently in the state by state polls McCain leads both Obama and Clinton in the potential electoral vote count.
Why all of the super delegates haven't decided to settle matters now rather than later remains a mystery, and I think it is hurting the party.
Is Clinton's current lead in the super delegate count false hope, or will it stick, and will it be enough to overcome Obama's current pledged delegate count lead?
If this matter doesn't get settled soon, I fear things will start to look bad for the Democratic party.
"Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I'll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you." The Monarch (Evil Villain)
by fetboy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:52:57 AM EST

Re: Seeing as Edwards is a super delegate. (none / 0)

McCain leads Clinton in most state head-to-heads, but Obama leads McCain outside the MOE in PA, NV, CO, OR, and NH, in addition to leading the tracking poll nationally according to Rasmussen.  Just adding NV and CO to Kerry's states leads to the victory.    


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:16:01 AM EST
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Re: Democrats lose the House? (none / 0)

Someone who engages this notion probably jumps back when they see themselves in the mirror when getting out of the shower.


by InigoMontoya on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:56:54 AM EST

Obama cancelled Mon. mtg. to keep Edwards from (none / 0)


endorsing Hillary.. I think that on issues of values, substance and fighting style he and Clinton are more alike.  Edwards has let it out that in many ways he admires her stance. Obama sensed that and wanted to forestall an announcement before the Potomac primary.

He figured if he did well then Edwards would either have to endorse him or stay neutral.  

I find it hard to believe that Obama didn't have time in his schedule to see Edwards before today.  If I was Edwards I would be insulted.

But I have to hand it to Obama if my supposition is right...he may have succeeded....though I had not seen the comment about not wanting to be part of a bandwagon.

Though if Hillary does well in Wisconsin it breaks the narrative....and that might be a time to endorse if one is going to endorse.


by debcoop on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 03:47:29 AM EST

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I think after Hillary's win tomorrow in Wisconsin (fingers crossed!) that Edwards will announce his endorsement for Hillary.

It doesn't make sense that Edwards would back Obama. Obama is not for universal health care, which is something that John cares very deeply about. Leaving millions left behind as Obama's plan would do is not something that John Edwards could live with in my opinion.

If Edwards announces after a big win for Hillary in Wisconsin, she will get a big boost going into the March 4th primaries.

Come on John, go with the candidate who has experience and wants to bring the same change you want!


"For 15 years I have stood up against the right-wing machine and I've come out stronger." ~Hillary Clinton
by EightMoreYears on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:37:20 AM EST

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With Edawards endorsement, Obama can bury Hillary once and for all. It's amazing how long Edwards has remained quiet wich questions his motives. While he was campaigning he ran as an agent of change and really grilling Hillary about taking money from lobbyiest.

Obama '08

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by Tblitz25 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:39:59 AM EST

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Edwards has waited to long - equivocated too much. Whomever he endorses it will now be seen as a huge compromise, making people wonder what was offered to him to get it etc. It simply isn't worth that much anymore under these circumstances. Edwards has only damaged his own brand.


by CB Todd on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:53:24 AM EST

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2008 for democrats is shaping up to having the same dynamics as 1980 where Ted Kennedy severely challenged and ultimately severely weakened Carter. And like 1980 if HRC holds on and manages to win, Obama supporters are likely to undermine the democrat rather than support her. They're already humphing and puffing all over the place. An Obama near loss will be a great boon to mccain.

As of yet, there are few signs that the opposite is in the offing, namely that HRC supporters would withhold enthusiastic support from Obama if he takes the nomination. HRC supporters for the most part will rally to him to do everything possible to defeat mccain.
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by gak on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:03:44 AM EST

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Anybody had a look at the side-by-side comparison of Patrick and Obama speeches? Doesn't look good...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6x1H08a Fc


by OldCoastie on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:11:51 AM EST

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Whoop-de-do.

Patrick and Obama have both stated that they swap lines and share ideas all the time.  

If I were an HRC supporter, I wouldn't try to hang my hat on this...your best tool is healthcare.  


by a gunslinger on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:47:24 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

i read that story last night and didn't get much from it. Except that Edwards is wishy washy right now on who to support and that the writer himself (who did not speak to Edwards) is covering every angle.

if edwards commits to Hillary, he'll probably do it right after a Clinton Wisconsin loss (to stem the momentum).  


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by alex100 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:20:42 AM EST

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a bit off topic but interesting to say the least. going against popular MYDD CW, the latest Rasmussen poll has the following to say:

"In an early look at potential general election Presidential match-ups in Pennsylvania, Barack Obama leads John McCain while McCain is in a toss-up with Hillary Clinton. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows Obama attracting 49% of the vote while McCain earns 39%. However, in a McCain-Clinton match-up, the Arizona Senator has a statistically insignificant two-point lead, 44% to 42%. "
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by alex100 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:28:28 AM EST

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and oregon:

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone poll in Oregon shows John McCain leading Hillary Clinton 45% to 42%. However, Barack Obama leads John McCain 49% to 40%. McCain leads Clinton among voters not affiliated with either major political party but Obama leads McCain.


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by alex100 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:31:35 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

and PA primary intervals:

Q-poll
2/6-12/08
52 clinton 36 obama 11 undecided
+16 hillary

FMC
1/8-14/08
40 clinton 20 obama 23 undecided
+20 hillary

Q-poll
11/26-12/3/07 43 clinton 15 obama 18 undecided
+28 hillary
This trend is disturbing for hillary although if it does get to PA, there is still plenty of time for her to revers the momentum Obama is enjoying.
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by alex100 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:53:54 AM EST
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Depite Rendell's assessment of PA Dems as racists who wouldn't vote for a black man, PA's demographics really favor Obama in Philly and the Philly suburbs, which make up half of the Democratic population in the state.  It's only going to take Obama to get into PA (especially Philly) for that gap to close.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:20:42 AM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

I still think Edwards will endorse Clinton.


What would LBJ do?
by Socks The Cat on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:36:38 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

"Sort of makes you think that if Edwards were going to endorse anyone, it would be Hillary Clinton; endorsing Obama at this point smacks a bit of jumping on the bandwagon, and clearly would have far less impact than a Clinton endorsement." It would be really pathetic of someone to choose who to endorse based on the biggest impact he could make by it. I hope Edwards is a bigger person than that.
by Mullibok on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:46:27 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

If Edwards endorses Clinton then I consider whatever I donated to Edwards a waste of my money.

So big deal, Obama said something Edwards didn't like.   I'm sure Edwards said things Obama didn't like.   This isn't grade school, its about making a moral decision.  

Edwards endorsing Clinton means his words about corporate backing were empty words.    Her vote for the war and then again for the Kyle-Lieberman bill giving the same kind of authorization to Bush re Iran as Iraq; her vote against Amend 4882 banning landmines in civilian areas is plenty reason not to endorse her.   98% of victims are civilians and 1/3 are children and if they aren't without a voice I don't know who is?  

Obama has always opposed the Iraqi war, opposed the Kyle-Lieberman bill; and voted in favor of banning land mines in civilian areas.


by Michigan on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:54:07 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

Here's another way of looking at it.  Right now, Edwards supporters (or former supporters) have broken FOR Barack Obama in far greater numbers than they have for HRC.  We all know that.

By JRE NOT endorsing anyone still yields the advantage to Obama, given that there is no change in the existing pro-Obama dynamic. Ergo...anything short of JRE taking the stage ahead of OH and endorsing HRC is by proxy a passive endorsement of Obama.

The HRC folk better hope JRE does it.

The big one, however is Gore.  What will he do?


by a gunslinger on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:45:34 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

I think Gore is committed to waiting on the sidelines to see who ends with the delegate and popular vote lead and on then will endorse that person to help ensure that the person who actually wins the primary will win the nomination.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:25:27 AM EST
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One more Observation re: Edwards & Obama (none / 0)

To anyone who truly thinks that Hillary is a stronger candidate...

The numbers all dictate a far different result so far.  In fairness that can change, of course, but all things remianing equal, Obama is the strongest candidate in the GE.

The reason I moved from JRE to Obama was this:  Hillary, as respect-worthy as she is, is truly HATED by 30% of the country.  I want those folks to stay home in November so that the progressives can creat large majorities in the Congress!  Hillary should she be able to eke out a GE win, will not have the coattails that barack will have.

Furthermore, HRC will force us to put up with another 4 years of an energized GOP constantly ATTACKING HER.  This will reduce her efficacy and ability to govern effectively.  Our problems at home and abroad are far too compelling.  We need someone who can inspire and lead from a position of a clear socio-political mandate.

This is Barack Obama.


by a gunslinger on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:56:49 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

gunslinger, it's too early to speculate on whether Obama or Clinton will win or even win by a huge margin. The General Election campaign isn't in full swing yet.

I don't care if 30% of the people hate Hillary. I admire her.

The GOP will attack Obama too. They have to if they want to win.

Onto John Edwards however, it's wise if he just sits out and endorses once the people have their say. I think however Edwards dropping out was the turning point of this campaign. I think if Edwards doesn't drop out, Obama isn't where he is right now in regards to the delegates.

Either way, there should be room for John Edwards in any Democratic administration.


by falcon4e on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:41:24 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

Note the following from:  http://www.presidentelectionpolls.com/

Number of electoral votes based on the latest polls for each state:
*    Hillary Clinton - 203
*    John McCain - 317

National Poll Averages by Month:

February
Hillary Clinton: 46.0    John McCain: 47.8

Number of electoral votes based on the latest polls for each state:
*    Barack Obama - 261
*    John McCain - 266

National Poll Averages by Month

February
Barack Obama: 48.5    John McCain: 45.3

Right now, HRC is not only behind in terms of % overall....she is getting SMOKED by mcCain in terms of electoral college projections!!!!

We MUST Coalesce around the stronger candidate...that candidate (regardless of GENDER or RACE) is Obama, who has only to make up 6 points in the electoral college as opposed to a whopping 70!!

Let's leave the finger-pointing and bruised egos behind and move FORWARD folks!!!!


by a gunslinger on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:48:54 AM EST
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Edwards will stay quiet for now (2.00 / 1)

Reasons for JE to endorse Hillary: universal health care, "tougher" against the Republicans.

Reasons for JE to endorse Obama: stronger against lobbyists, hope & optimism candidate, stronger general election candidate according to most polls right now.

I'm a moderate centrist, veteran of Desert Storm, a registered Independent, and a surgeon.I  voted for Reagan & Bush in '84, '88; Perot in '92; Clinton & Gore in '96 & '00; and Kerry in '04. I hold some positions that are progresive and some that are conservative. I am an enthusiastic Obama supporter.

Over the weekend in Appleton Wisconsin, I joined about 20 peers of mine (white men between the ages of 35-45) and the conversation turned to politics. 10 were McCain supporters and 10 were Obama supporters. Of this group, 18 voted for Bush in '04.

Everyone agreed on the same thing : there is no way in Hell we would every vote for Hillary.

If you Democrats nominate Hillary, you will lost tens of thousands of voters like me and the election.

Edwards is smart enough to know that HRC will lose.


by chatters71 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:47:18 AM EST

Re: Barack Obama Meets With John Edwards (none / 0)

If Edwards was that fired up for Obama he would have endorsed him already. My take is that he wants to endorse Clinton but wants to also back a winner. If she doesn't do well in WI he may stay on the sidelines. He clearly doesn't want to endorse Obama.


by americanincanada on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:02:43 PM EST


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