Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin

Saw this headline over at Huffington Post this morning:

Update: Clinton Decides To Camp Out In Wisconsin

But I noticed that the article it pointed to was written on Friday, prior to the article Jonathan linked to yesterday reporting on her "scaling back" her Wisconsin schedule. So which is it? The Clinton campaign has confirmed that in fact Hillary Clinton will not be leaving Wisconsin tomorrow morning after all and will be campaigning there all day. The signal being sent is not only that the Clinton campaign thinks they can win in Wisconsin or at the very least out-perform expectations, but that Obama's leaving the state for events in Ohio on Monday and in Texas on Tuesday doesn't worry them.

The Clinton campaign clearly thinks the expectations game going into Tuesday favors them and is a liability for the Obama campaign, a dynamic that played out on Face The Nation this morning in this exchange between Howard Wolfson and David Axelrod:

Mr. WOLFSON: The Obama strategy here is essentially to debate in states where they're behind, but not debate in states where they're ahead.

Mr. AXELROD: That's nonsense.

Mr. WOLFSON: Well, you're debating in Ohio and Texas...

Mr. AXELROD: That's nonsense.

Mr. WOLFSON: ...where you're behind, but you don't want to debate in Wisconsin, where you're ahead. That's flat--that's certainly the case.

Mr. AXELROD: Well, first of all, I don't know whether we're ahead or behind in Wisconsin, but I appreciate the encouragement.

Mr. WOLFSON: Well, polls say that you're ahead. Polls say that you're ahead.

Mr. AXELROD: It's a very close race in Wisconsin, but the point is, Howard...

Mr. WOLFSON: Polls say you're ahead.

As for the polls, most do show Obama up by 4 or 5 points, within the margin of error. The only exception is the latest ARG poll, which shows Clinton up by 6. Good news for Clinton, right? Maybe not. ARG has often released outlier polls that have favored Clinton. In fact, Survey USA's pollster report card shows ARG with a mean error of almost 8%. Not to mention that this result represents a net gain for Obama of 3% since a poll taken 9 days before. But still, the fact that Clinton is remaining in Wisconsin all day on Monday rather than heading out of the state as Obama is doing does seem to indicate, as we posited yesterday, that she knows something we don't know. What exactly that is, however, is anyone's guess.



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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 2)

or maybe she just running a schizophrenia campaign.


by adilla on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:29:12 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Do you mean a delusional campaign, meaning that she is acting on false beliefs?


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by shergald on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:28:15 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton- Making Our Dreams Come True

Here's a video for Hillary (inspired by LAVERNE & SHIRLEY) originally based out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.  
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HxtN0u23Tdc
Go HILLARY in 2008!


by GeekLove08 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:28:37 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

she has to campaign in every state.

I am a supporter but her campaign strategy has left me in bewilderment.

Why you won't fight for a state that close as polling shows is beyond me.

If she has reversed course thats a good thing.


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by lori on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:32:44 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 1)

One thing few people realize, each camp has their own internal polls. These polls are more expensive to run than the polls that are put out for general consumption and are also more reliable.

I don't trust anything tha thas been put out on Wisconsin. As I see it, Obama is down 30 and heavily faovored to lose in both Wisconsin and Hawaii. To believe anything else as an Obama supporter is to set myself up for failure.

Time to hit the phones some more...


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by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:37:21 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

What good does believing this do you?

I fail to understand this sentiment.  I am very nervous about Obama's prospects on Tuesday, but I don't see how expecting him to lose by thirty makes anything any better.  That would only lead to the rather ridiculous position of saying that Obama did extraordinarily well if he loses by ten, which would obviously be absurd - it would be a disaster for him to lose Wisconsin and Hawaii by 10.


by jlk7e on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:08:50 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

this kind of Clinton schedule update is proliferating today, but no one is taking into account the simplest reason:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Wi sconsin-Primary.html

Feb. 17
Filed at 1:06 p.m. ET

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A snow and ice storm Sunday slowed the campaigns of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama in Wisconsin.

Clinton had scheduled an early afternoon town hall meeting in DePere, but a spokeswoman for her Wisconsin campaign said the event was postponed until Monday.

She's simply pushing everything back because of the weather, but spinning it as if she's coming on strong.


by along on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:38:09 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Like Pat Buchanan said on Dan Abrams recently, in response to Rachel Maddow:

"Well she better get behind the snowplow!"


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by nafamabo on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:04:36 PM EST
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god, this wolfson is really scum.

makes hillary look bad


by dirtbag3 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:39:22 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

But Axelrod is John the Baptist?

Take the blinders off.


by Scan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:45:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Obama will actually be returning to Wisconsin for an event on Monday night.

http://www.gazettextra.com/weblogs/lates t-news/2008/feb/16/obama-visit-beloit/


by DPW on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:41:09 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

DPW is right. A bunch of us posted a corrective to your update on that earlier post, but looks like you didn't see it:

Via commenter Progressive America in this thread  and goldfish on dailykos:

Obama will be at a Monday night rally in Beloit, WI:
http://www.gazettextra.com/weblogs/lates t-news/2008/feb/16/obama-visit-beloit/

He IS going to Youngstown, Ohio, during the day, but heading back to Beloit, in southern WI for the evening.

Not sure if he'll have a final WI event on Tues. before leaving for Texas.

Now, how the weather is affecting HIS schedule, I'm not sure. This info could now be out of date.


by along on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:44:46 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Regarding Obama's schedule in view of the weather, he managed to sneak out of Wisconsin last night. He was/is in NC with Edwards today.


by poserM on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:49:59 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

wow, yeah just read that on kos. pretty cool.


by along on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:52:51 PM EST
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She changes her strategy every day (2.00 / 2)

A couple of days ago she said she'd meet Obama in Texas - she got criticized for that and changed to being in Wisconsin, then a poll in Texas says she is in trouble so she cancels Wisconsin events, now a poll says she is close so she's back in Wisconsin.  It doesn't sound like they have their act together.  Maybe they are trying to keep Obama off guard.

New game "Where in the world is Hillary Clinton today?"


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:41:36 PM EST

Weather (none / 0)

Wisconsin is having a hideous snow and ice storm. Nobody is campaigning today. Hillary is postponing her events. But Obama managed to get to Chicago and head to North Carolina for a meeting with John Edwards. It'll be interesting to see what comes of that meeting.


by elrod on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:42:31 PM EST

Re: Weather (none / 0)

It's just a rescheduling of the meeting from last week. Clinton has met with Edwards twice already.


by americanincanada on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:47:18 PM EST
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Re: Weather (none / 0)

Yes, that's true. I just thought they'd have the meeting after WI and not beforehand.


by elrod on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:40:55 PM EST
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Twice? (none / 0)

I thought they met once.  What's the basis for the claim that they've met twice?


by jlk7e on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:10:42 PM EST
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Re: Weather (none / 0)

And I tell you, it was a nasty ice storm. I was without power for 9.5 hours yesterday (on the west side of Madison). The power outage only affected a relatively small area of town, not including the area where Clinton's event was scheduled (the Monona Terrace, two blocks from the Capitol), but buses didn't run all day and driving wasn't safe, so the event had to be postponed.


by alex hill on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:18:49 AM EST
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I thought that Hillary had planned on leaving the state Monday morning, but due to today's snowstorms has instead had to reschedule all of today's events for tomorrow.  So she's not really doing any more campaigning than was originally planned in WI when JS said she was "scaling back".

Sorry, no link to give, but that was the word.


by Ryan Anderson on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:44:37 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

I think it's just the weather that is reducing events.

I also think that any strategy in which Hillary concedes any states at this point is crazy.  The delegate math is atrocious for her, and every delegate counts.  I think she can definitely win Wisconsin and change the whole dialog for the next two weeks.   But even if she can't, losing wisconsin by 10 or 15% is way worse than losing it by 1%.


by snaktime on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:45:19 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Good decision. At the worst it looks likes she's fighting for every last vote, and she loses by a smaller margin that she would of. Another Obama landslide is much more harmful than a close loss.

A close contest might give the impression that she has slowed Obama's momentum.

The media have written her off, just like they did before New Hampshire. I hope she defies conventional wisdom again.


by liberalj on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:50:07 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

I expect Obama to win Wisconsin by 6-8 points.  If Hillary loses by 4 or less, or wins, I'll be happy.


by InigoMontoya on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:50:07 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 1)

The news on the net\
Wisconsin weather grounds Clinton, her advisers step up criticism of Obama"
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/1 7/america/Democrats.php

The headlines here are being written by the HRC campaign's Faux News? Or is it sarcastic?

Grounded by bad weather, Hillary Rodham Clinton noshed on eggs at a diner and bought peppers at a Hispanic grocery Sunday while her advisers argued that Barack Obama had abandoned a commitment to accept public funding if he wins the Democratic presidential nomination.

Repeating Republican Talking points, stupid ones too. If, as seems likely, Hillary is unsuccessful in getting the nomination, does she really not want the Democrats to use their huge advantage this cycle in fundraising?

Effing stupid. Who in HRC's camp is doing the GOP's dirty work?

HRC is ruining her chance of becoming the Senate Majority Leader. I really hate to say this, but maybe thats all to the good. Dodd deserves our thanks our admiration and our support for the job, if the rumors are true about Reid stepping down next year.


by inexile on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 04:52:36 PM EST

Clinton grounded by weather, not campaign plan. (none / 0)

Come on, its above the fold on news.google.com.


by inexile on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:04:04 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Maybe relatives of the same group in the Obama camp that feed republican talking points about Hillary and updated the anti-health care ads?

Just saying, people in glass houses.


by Marvin42 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:58:03 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

She's playing games with this to give her some positive spin.  She is a very good politician, It's too bad she's behind in almost every state against McCain, she's definitely a fighter!


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by LordMike on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:00:58 PM EST

Nobody knows nothin'... (none / 0)


Wisconsin isn't the easiest state to discern.

My first guess is that Obama has done everything he intended publicly in Wisconsin, but has a reserve to head back if need be.  His organization is certainly not sitting on its hands.

My second guess is that Hillary got a talking to after reneging on a visit to Eau Claire, and is being told that she has to be seen as fighting, herself personally, publicly, for every state.  But her organization is certainly not sitting on their hands.

As I've said before, I won't pretend to know how a given primary or caucus will turn out.  (I fight for my candidate until I'm not allowed to any more, and allow the maybes to become realities in their own sweet time.)  

And neither should you.


by palamedes on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:01:06 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 2)

Anyone who thinks Clinton doesn't have a shot in WI is a moron.


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by Vox Populi on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:04:40 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

I'm from Wisconsin and I've been all over the state. Call me a moron.


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by Noonan on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:09:44 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

I wouldn't do this, except that you asked for it...

Moron!

Sorry, you left me with no choice.  ;)

/snark


by samizdat on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:41:09 PM EST
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I have been saying and thinking (none / 0)

this for a while.

Off topic...

Want to help out Linda's diary at Dkos?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/17/ 154511/632/40/458637


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by kevin22262 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:08:36 PM EST

Weather? (none / 0)

Maybe the weather is horrible and she has the same cold I do. I wish her best of luck on Tuesday.


by cc on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:10:25 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

but we all know that you can't trust polls.

Axelrod was probably thinking about the last time he trusted polls and let his guard down: New Hampshire


by poserM on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:14:54 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

So let me get this straight - the Clinton campaign's main attack is to hit Obama on debates b/c it is not like we have already had 18 or so Dem debates?  Has anything original or new been said at any of the last few?  I am a political junky and I think they are god awful boring at this point.  I have come to the realization that 2 or 3 in the general election is more than enough.

I can't help but be surprised at how the Clinton campaign just seems to be flailing about for anything that might help them.  It is just amazing.  I never expected anything like this out of people with such a strong track record.


by John Mills on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:20:28 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 2)

Of course Clinton would want more debates, any candidate would prefer to highlight their strongest forum - for Clinton it's debates, for Obama it's speeches.  But alot of people do like local debates - sometimes that's the only way local issues are ever addressed.  Do you really think Yucca Mountain would have been discussed anywhere else except in Nevada?  If people weren't interested, these debates wouldn't keep getting great ratings.


by AnnC on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:42:28 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

You have a point but I just think the Clinton campaign needs a lot more than a good debate performance to turn things around.  Hillary clearly excells in this format but it is not as though Obama is horrible.  He generally does okay so I am not sure they gain a lot.  

Frankly, the reason she is behind is that the Obama campaign has completely out organized the Clinton campaign, which I still find surprising.
 


by John Mills on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:15:16 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

I think it's getting a little late to play the expectations game. Both of them could use every single last delegate that they can get.


by dmc2 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:21:31 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Exactly.  Losing by 1-3 points would help Clinton in the "momentum" narrative, but I don't think its going to be decisive.  Obama winning TX or OH would be enough to end the campaign - by her own camp's admission.


by Nissl on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:30:10 PM EST
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sorry for the off topic post but... (none / 0)

just wanted to post a link to a video that shows Obama responding to Clinton's "his speeches are just words" attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffwY74Xb S4


by supsupsup on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:23:06 PM EST

Why does Beeton continue to spread falsehoods? (2.00 / 1)

Barack Obama is not leaving Wisconsin early.  he has an event scheduled in Beloit Wi on Monday evening.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post/samgrahamfelsen/gGgGDX

Now, if you want to make an analysis that he isn't spending part of Monday in Wisconsin and that is interesting go right ahead but do not continue to spread falsehoods that Obama is leaving Wi early.
I was able to get Chris Bowers to retract this erroneous reporting from his Quick Hits list, but Beeton continues to report and make analyses that are based on faulty information.  Please correct error!!!!  I am not associated with the Obama campaign but am an Obama supporter in Wisconsin.


by petercjack on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:32:15 PM EST

Re: Why does Beeton continue to spread falsehoods? (none / 0)

Obama, like Clinton, cancelled Sunday events because of the bad weather.  So all he is missing is part of Monday.  He will have a rally in Beloit on Monday and Clinton will have a rescheduled rally in Madison.  So please stick to the facts.


by petercjack on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:33:31 PM EST
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Analyses should be based on FACTS not faulty info (2.00 / 1)

so here we have an analysis that Clinton is staying for some reason only she knows, when anyone in Wisconsin knows it is not safe for her or anyone to leave or go until tomorrow, so she cancelled events today and will  have her event tomorrow.  She came in for the milwaukee dinner and will have a madison event, and so she knows something that we don't know?  She had always planned these events.  Meanwhile obama has been here the whole week and will be here on Monday too, but you base your analysis completely on faulty information and just let it stand?  Unbelievable.


by petercjack on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:46:26 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

I wonder what happens with events tomorrow. There will still be snow and ice across much of the state. And it will snow again all day tomorrow. Man, I'm glad I don't live in that neck of the woods anymore!

http://www.onwisconsin.com/weather/


by elrod on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:46:45 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Wisconsins will reject Obama once they discover that he voted against protecting safeguards in our various trade policies.  Obama also supports Fast Track authority.


by truthteller2007 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:49:25 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Hello, NAFTA?  You would make your case much stronger if you indicated instances in which Clinton has taken a stand against Fast Track or in favor of these safeguards.


by Nissl on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:28:56 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 2)

My gosh, you Obama supporters are absolutely insufferable--smug, snarky, contemptuous towards others. I'm new to this site, but is this the usual tone?


by doyenne49 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:53:51 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 1)

Yes. Except when he's losing. Then they whine.


by ColoradoGuy on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:52:07 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

See, being told I'm "whining" pisses me off, which makes me snarky.  I hope you can see what you're doing here.  

This is a hotly contested race, and Clinton signaled she's taking the gloves off (literally in OH - see the boxing gloves pick).  Obama is fighting back hard because he's aware one of his biggest criticisms is that he's too "soft" to take on the Republicans and he has to demonstrate that that's not the case.


by Nissl on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:21:59 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 1)

Obama has been "fighting back" since the beginning, so that's nothing new. Most of the public doesn't know about his deceptive health care mailers and his people working in the background on his behalf (Jessie Jackson, Jr.). On the surface, he campaigns on ideas of change, hope, unity, truthfulness. In the beginning, I had high hopes for him, but when I realized he twists truths, misrepresents, and lies about his opponent's policies, while running as the honest candidate, he lost my vote.  When he tries to hang the Kyl-Lieberman vote around Hillary's neck, I feel like screaming. At least she showed up for the vote...Obama missed that vote "conveniently."  When the going gets tough, the tough get going?  He's just another politician with a very calculated message and is arrogant to say the least.  


This one's for Hillary!!
by cplummer on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:48:53 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 1)

Even if Hillary holds him to a narrow win in Wisconsin, the narrative could start to change in her favor.  If Obama then loses the popular vote in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania, he will not be the nominee.


by Bob H on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:03:38 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

No polling evidence, but he's picked up a number of leading Texas legislators and every major newspaper that's endorsed so far (open to correction on this point).  How much that stuff matters, well, that's up for debate.  With a third of the electorate still undecided or open to changing their minds, I'm not sure it's entirely worthless.


by Nissl on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:27:40 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Their polls might, like the public polls, show a very close race, within the margin of error.


by jlk7e on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:11:43 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Clinton getting back to the state? do you have Obama and Clinton swapped? Obama was out of WI today . . .


by poserM on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:17:50 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton- Making Our Dreams Come True

Here's a video for Hillary (inspired by LAVERNE & SHIRLEY) originally based out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.  
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HxtN0u23Tdc
Go HILLARY in 2008!


by GeekLove08 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:27:59 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

last time you tried to sell positive news for the clinton camp (VA and MD) you got schooled todd. Did anyone really expect Hillary to stay relatively close in the final delegate count for that night? Not only did your rosy hopes crumble, but even the worst case scenerio for Clinton got surpassed.

also, do you really and truly believe that the expectations game favors clinton and not obama? I personally think obama needs to take on clinton in more debates but the truth of the matter is he doesn't need to do this at this stage of the game. I for one don't believe that Clinton is a clear winner in the debates. She usually wins the healthcare battle but looks weak in most other topics. Especially when it comes to the war.

in fact, the only positive I see for Hillary staying in Wisconsin at this point is to keep this thing under 10 points.


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by alex100 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:00:43 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

YES, THE MYDD EDITORS HAVE CONTINUOUSLY BEEN TOOLED IN THEIR HILLARY PREDICTIONS

She keeps getting pounded and they try and cherry pick lame stories and highlight irrelevant things to make it look like she is turning the corner

RBGTEC- there is evidence obama is turning the corner... a poll was just released showing him up by 6 points. true it probably overstates his position but it does show he is closing it
even if hillary wins texas by 8 points the estimate is she will only pick up 5-6 delegates due to the delage allocation favoring obama support

BUT obama is going to win WI and Hawaii by double digits tomorrow (yes, that is right) and keep the momentum going into Texas. He will take vermont and rhode island, close the gap in ohio, and basically make texas a wash (she will pick up a few delegates)

Dont let these mydd editors get your hopes up (especially jerome, his track record is kind of like w.'s- all failure)


by dirtbag3 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:16:25 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Shhh, relax on the language.  You'd be better off posting a comparison of predictions and results to make your case.


by Nissl on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:25:56 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (2.00 / 1)

At this point I think all the GOP needs to conduct a thoroughly vicious campaign against either Democrat is to copy some of the posts and some of the diaries here.  Remember folks, this stuff is pernicious as it goes out into the ether.

I support Obama, took me a long time to decide on that, but regardless of whom you support both candidates are very substantial people and the level of nyah nyah stuff going on on both sides here is truly, well, icky.


by mady on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:21:40 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

I think a lot of the problem comes from the top down.  Both of the campaigns have said some misleading things (of course as an Obama supporter I think it's been mostly the Clintons, but perhaps my perspective has been skewed.)

The other problem is that mathematically speaking Clinton is almost certainly going to have to get the MI/FL delegation seated with no re-vote and get support of the superdelegates to win.  These are non-policy issues and evoke a lot of very strong feelings with folks.  Personally, after Clinton explicitly said that MI wouldn't count, for her to now be trying to get the MI delegation seated... well... it makes me quite angry.


by Nissl on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:25:12 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

go to a conservative blog and see what they say about mccain... not that is BAD

Language? I said tooled (whoa)... what do you expect. the editors have become blatantly pro-hillary in the past month. it is sad that they still even attempt to come off as impartial

so when jerome predicts a close race or even upset in virginia he should be called out on it... one would think after that point he would quit while behind, but nope... he just keeps on plugging away.


by dirtbag3 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:30:56 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

not = now


by dirtbag3 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:31:23 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

B-I-A-S


by NJPolitico84 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:45:52 PM EST

Potomac Two Step (none / 0)

Hillary has so confused the news outlets on this issue of leaving Wisconsin early that I suspect it's another Potomac two step a la her confession that she lent her campaign $5 million of her money only then to go on to receive record amounts of campaign contributions post-her admission.

I think it's part of a winning strategy of hers to confuse, confound, contrast and compare.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:49:09 PM EST

Misinformation... (none / 0)

Obama has a rally in Beloit, WI tomorrow night at 8pm.

What is Hillary's schedule for Wisconsin tomorrow?


by NJPolitico84 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:51:57 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

zeitgeist - was this a serious remark?? because it sounds serious. perhaps you are part of hillary's team

great strategy - confuse the media (and hence the public) as to whether or not she is actualy in the state.  that will surely demonstrate that she is pushing hard to get winconsin votes

hillary supporters - are you reading this? do you support this? zeitgeist is actually claiming hillary planned the 5 million loan out so she could get donations.  

yikes, it appears they havent hit rock bottom just yet


by dirtbag3 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:53:09 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

QUESTION - HOW CAN THE INEVITABLE CANDIDATE NOW BE THE "COMEBACK KID?"  

Riddle me this


by dirtbag3 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:43:08 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (1.00 / 0)

She can't, dirtbag. It's totally impossible. She should just hand the nomination to Barack and forget about Texas and Ohio because she's totally finished and OBAMA ROCKS and nobody likes her at all and she doesn't have cool videos and songs like BO and what is her schedule in Wisconsin anyway and you rock, too, dirtbag!


by cc on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:04:44 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

It's all her political calculation.

This way, she can at least slow down Obama's Mo. You see, unless Obama wins doube digits, his win does not create a big news.  If she wins even by 1 point, it's going to be a major come back story.  

She's got all the basis covered.  Obama is not leading her so much.  On the contray, in some polls, she is ahead. She also made sure sending out the negative mailers attacking the Obama's healthcare plan to Wisconsin voters within 48 hours of the primary.  It is the same tactic she used in NH. It is also the same tactic used by Carl Rove in his successful support for Mr. Bush's White house run.  This tactic seems to work beautifully every time.  She is taking advantage of the nice, hardworking and God-fearing nice white folks of Wisconsin.  She is betting that they will never believe that Mrs. Clinton the lady will do such a thing. Surely, ladies don't lie.  Why should they? Ahhhhhh!!!!


by Georgee on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:47:09 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

Hillary needs the debates because she lacks funds and time. She needs to be visable. Hillary is very strong during debates as i would imagine she would be. But don't fault Obama for not taking 5 additional debates. He needs to speak to te people and thats his strength. Hillary needs to grind harder and stop whinning when she is unable to get her way

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by Tblitz25 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:52:12 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Not Conceding Wisconsin (none / 0)

New PP Poll out today has Obama up by 13 if the turnout is heavy. Weather tomorrow is supposed to be VERY cold - so maybe it won't be such a big win.


by CB Todd on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:26:09 PM EST


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