Wolfson and Axelrod: Debating over Debates

Below is an exchange between Howard Wolfson (Team Hillary) and David Axelrod (Team Obama) during Newshour. The gist of the exchang is basically this: Wolfson alleges that Obama doesn't want to debate Clinton in Wisconsin because he's leading in Wisconsi and is fine with debates in Ohio and Texas because he's behind in both those states. Axelrod's argument is that there's been so many debates already, why do another one and also that Obama prefers to campaign directly to the people. Wolfson then trips up Axelrod, here:

<JUDY WOODRUFF: Let me bring up debates. Your camp is criticizing the Obama camp for not agreeing to a debate in Wisconsin. There have already been 18 debates; there are two more that are scheduled. Why are debates so important at this point?</p>

HOWARD WOLFSON: Well, we've only had one one-on-one debate, and it had enormous ratings. It proved to be enormously helpful to the people of California and everyone who voted on Super Tuesday in making a good judgment about who to vote for.

Senator Obama is happy to debate in states where he is behind, Texas and Ohio. He does not want to debate in a state where he is ahead, Wisconsin. There's nothing more old about politics than that.

We think that the people of Wisconsin deserve to have a debate in their state. Senator Obama refuses. He does not want to discuss the issues where he differs with Senator Hillary Clinton face-to-face in a state where he's behind. I'm sorry, a state where he's ahead.

JUDY WOODRUFF: David Axelrod?

DAVID AXELROD: I think it's a curious thing, because Howard just said we had one one-on-one debate in California where we were well behind.

HOWARD WOLFSON: That was my point.

DAVID AXELROD: And we ended up basically surging in that state and tying on Election Day based on that debate. It doesn't matter where we debate, Howard. Those eight million people who watched that debate were watching all over the country.>

So basically, Axelrod agrees that when Obama is behind, he has no problems with debates and he also agrees that debates help the candidate who is trailing.

So Wolfson was right, Obama's not debating in Wisconsin because he's leading in that race...which, admittedly, I think is a fair political strategy but it reeks of politics as usual. And therein lies my problem with Obama -- I call it Obama-hubris. He presents himself as this figure who is above politics, an anti-politician if you will, who will bring an end to politics as usual, but when you get past the soaring rhetoric, what you get is, well...politics as usual.



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Fair enough (none / 0)

And really Axelrod, you didn't ever tie in California--except according to John "Dart Board" Zogby.


by andgarden on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 12:49:08 AM EST

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I hope Wolfson is able to attain some unemployment insurance soon.


by tom32182 on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 12:51:03 AM EST

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Alexrod is totaly disingenuous! AS if they "surged" in California. Give me a break! She won Califonria by 10 points! And she won almost every single district in the state. Nice spin - unfortunately people are buying it apparently.


by venice1789 on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 12:57:30 AM EST

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When the hell did Obama "tie" Clinton in CAlifornia? Other than Zogby?


by americanincanada on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 12:59:50 AM EST

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I'm not one to defend Axelrod but I think what he meant was that they came out of Super Tuesday "tied" not that they tied in California.


by katrinareyes on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 01:05:06 AM EST
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his damn ppoint was that all the debates are nationwide so it's completely meaningless to have a debate for each state.


by Lazeriath on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 01:52:52 AM EST

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HRC was not in around all week when Obama was.. did she want a remote debate?
If she is not willing to come to wisconsin to campaign until 3 days before the vote; why should wisconsin voters believe that she gives a crap about their state?

Wolfson will go back on Murdoch's payroll at Fox and do just fine.


by hawkjt on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 01:57:18 AM EST

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Why doesn't Barry want to debate? Anwser the question.


by world dictator on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 09:49:47 AM EST
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Simple answer (none / 0)


by techfidel on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 10:05:00 AM EST
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He's certainly no Lincoln.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 01:57:47 AM EST

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Are you sure you are in the correct diary?


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 04:13:13 AM EST
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