What if the Situation was Reversed...

This is what I was thinking, and this post sums it up nicely.

  http://reachblack.blogspot.com/2008/02/w hat-if-roles-were-reversed.html

* What if Obama lost all of these states by such huge margins (we're talking 25-35% in many states)?
    * What if it was Obama who, despite running on name recognition as the inevitable candidate, could only claim his home state and California as major (hard fought) wins thus far?
    * What if Obama had negatives in the low to mid 40s?
    * What if Obama had low appeal with Independents and virtually no appeal with cross-over Republicans?
    * What if Obama lost a majority of the swing states on Super Tuesday?
    * What if it was Clinton who lead McCain by 7 points in the latest head to head contest, instead of Obama?
    * What if Obama had as much dirt on him as the Clintons do?
    * What if Obama brought as much fatigue and divisiveness as the Clintons do?
    * What if it was Obama who had to "loan" himself $5 million dollars of his own money just to stay competitive?
    * What if Obama trailed in PLEDGED delegates and could only claim a slim (misleading) lead by counting super delegates (party insiders who can change their mind at the drop of a dime and show loyalty through political favors)?
    * What if Obama lost 6 out of 8 primaries (perhaps even 8 or 9 in a row) as Hillary Clinton is expected to lose this week?

Go read the original post.

 Can anyone honestly say that were the players situations exchanged, that there wouldn't be intense pressure for Obama to pull out of the race?

I'd like  your thoughts.



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Re: What if the Situation was Reversed... (2.00 / 0)

Very thought-provoking.  I agree with the thesis that if the roles were reversed there would indeed be big pressure on Obama to drop out.


Sign the petition to stop Hillary from seating the MI and FL delegates at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Give-Us -Fairness
by weneedobama on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:22:22 PM EST

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If most of Hillary's wins were registered in caucus states, you better believe there would be multiple, daily stories about how undemocratic the process is.


by unabashed dem on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:22:30 PM EST

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i.e. the media stories would be reversed, but no, Obama wouldn't be pushed to drop out.


by unabashed dem on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:23:44 PM EST
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Personally, for me what it comes down to is that there has been a Bush or a Clinton in the Whitehouse since I was 4 years old.

I want to live in a Democracy, not a nepotistic Aristocracy of privileged insiders.

Even if you don't count Bush 41's vice presidency under Reagan, (he was  about 2 inches away from BEING president when Reagan was shot) if Clinton takes the nomination, it would be a possible 28 years living under a Bush/Clinton rule. 2 families running the country for 3 decades. THat creeps me out.

I know that the Clintons are very different than the Bushites, but Bill and George 41 are bestest buddies. That doesn't sit well with me.


by Solen on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:31:21 PM EST

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If the situation was reversed the media would be railing about how undemocratic caucuses were, how she was only winning small states that would never go blue and how Florida and Michigan should be seated.

There would be no pressure for Obama to dropp out but they would probably still be mocking Clinton.


by americanincanada on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:31:57 PM EST

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You honestly think that?

I'm a Obama supporter, but were the situations reversed, I could understand why people would be expecting him to make a graceful exit.  

Things can still change in Hillary's favor, but we'll have to wait and see.
 


by Solen on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:42:06 PM EST
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Another one to add is:

 *What if Obama had put his name on primary ballots in states the DLC had asked all candidates to not participate in, then stated that those states delegates won't count. Then later in the campaign, once he was behind in delegates, started saying that those delegates should count, since he won them when no one else really campaigned there?

Would that make sense to a Hillary supporter?

I guess what I'm really going for here is to see if people can put themselves in some one else's shoes when looking at the primaries.


by Solen on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:47:18 PM EST

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* What if Obama lost 6 out of 8 primaries (perhaps even 8 or 9 in a row) as Hillary Clinton is expected to lose this week?

So far, Obama won caucuses, not primaries this week.

Caucuses disenfranchise people who work, are sick, or are otherwise unable to attend.


by Sensible on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 01:04:37 PM EST

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Ah

What if Obama was virtual vice president for 8 years

What if Obama had a 30 year track record of doing what he said he would do

What if Obama was for seating the Florida voters

What if Obama was the one NOT named in a recent FBI indictment

What if Obama was not the one saying he would be on the Muslim side if things ever went that way

What if it was Hillary and not Obama with blatantly racist quotes in their autobiography...

and on and on and on


I believe in Hillary
by sonofdonkeykong on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 01:27:37 PM EST

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Forgot what if Obama was ahead in the total Democratic votes cast...

Funny how they are all about "winning" and election with fewer votes.

Obama Bush will do anything to get elected


I believe in Hillary
by sonofdonkeykong on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 01:28:49 PM EST
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The topic no one wants to broach... (2.00 / 1)

What if Hillary were getting 90 percent of the Caucasian vote in every state?  How do you suppose that would be characterized by the media and pundits?  

Personally, I'm glad to see that it's not happening, and that there are enlightened attitudes going on (and they've been a long time coming).  But the topic that no one wants to talk about is germane to this primary season.

No, it doesn't address Obama's caucus victories in predominately white states.  But it does have great import in states with significant African-American populations.  

Question:  How does ANY white candidate combat that built-in disadvantage?  This is her ongoing dilemma, particularly with today's slate of primaries.  

As for the "pressure to get out" question, that's ridiculous.  Obama supporters would LOVE to see her get out before the states that offer her the best chance of getting back into the game vote.  

So, come on, get real.  Unless you're going to go on record as wanting to disenfranchise these voters, I'd pipe down about this non-issue.  

Let the primaries go on, as they should.  


by DaTruth on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 02:41:09 PM EST


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