Washington sets a Record

Amidst all the news of Barack Obama's success this past weekend, a mantra that's been repeated again and again is the record-setting turnout seen all across the country.  Well, this past weekend, in Washington state, caucus goers there participated at a rate that put it at the top of the list of all the states having participated so far this year.

According to reports, about 100,000 Washingtonians decided to make their preference for the 2008 Democratic presidential nominee heard. If you compare this to the 1.51 million Washingtonians who voted for John Kerry in 2004, you get a participation rate of 6.6% of the electorate deciding to make their voices heard.   This is the worst participation rate we have seen yet this year, breaking the previous low of 8.1% set by Alaska where about 9000 participants out of the 111000 who voted for John Kerry in 2004.  It would appear that Washington's effort to completely confuse voters and encourage disenfranchisement worked.

Much too little has been written so far this year on the undemocratic nature of the caucuses, but here's some more of this year's lowlights:  Kansas with a participation rate of 8.5%, Maine at 11.6%, Colorado at 11.9%, and Minnesota at 13.8%.  This is democracy?  The caucus with the highest rate of participation?  That would be Nevada, where 118000 Nevadans voted in 2008 compared to the 397000 who voted for Kerry in 2004, for this year's top caucus turnout rate of 29.7%, jsut edging out the 29.6% who showed up in Iowa.  Unsurprisingly, Nevada remains Hillary Clinton's sole caucus victory.

You can add up all the participants in Washington, Alaska, Kansas, Maine, Colorado, Nebraska, Minnesota, Idaho, North Dakota, Iowa, Nevada, throw in the party-run primaries in New Mexico and Utah and you'll still only have 1.3 million participants, or about 450,000 fewer than Florida.

The only primary election where voters turned out at a lower rate than ANY of the various caucuses was in disenfranchised Michigan, which still had a greater rate of participation that ALL of the caucus states other than Iowa and Nevada.  In Florida, the more 1.75 million people cast a ballot which Barack Obama deems worthless, represent 48.8% of the electorate which voted for John Kerry in 2004.  That's a rate better than Connecuticut, New York, New Mexico, Louisiana, Arizona, and Delaware.  States like New Jersey, California, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri and Illinois were in the 57-67% range.

Sure enough, there have been a few states were Obama has actually faced the electorate and done well.  He's spurred large turnout among African American voters in Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina where turnout in the primary was between 76-80% of the total number who voted for Kerry in 2004.  He's sure to do well in the Chesapeake primaries for the same reason. But the record turnout this year?  That would be New Hampshire, won by Hillary Clinton, where 84.7% of the Kerry voters showed up to vote.  And in second place?  That would be Oklahoma, where 82.7% of them came out to vote, and vote overwhelmingly for Hillary too.

In states won by Obama, 6.6 million Americans have decided the distribution of 925 delegates, for a rate of 1 delegate for every 7000 or so participants.  In states won by Hillary Clinton, 12.6 million American have decided the distribution of 1072 delegates, or 1 delegate for every 11700 participants.  You want to complain about the superdelegates?  Well let's talk about caucuses and Michigan and Florida too.  Let's talk about ridiculous delegate distribution rules as seen in Nevada.  And let's talk about the ridiculous way that Washington went out of its way to encourage voter disenfranchisement, and that Texas has a eerily similar scheme.

Let's get a little more democracy in our democracy.



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Re: Washington sets a Record (2.00 / 3)

A little reading comprehension helps. From your first link:

As Washington residents and the rest of the nation waits for the results of today's precinct caucuses, Washington State Democrats reported a record numbers of voters - possibly twice as man as in 2004's caucuses, which drew 100,000 people.

So, 100,000 number was from the  2004 primary, not this one. If the turnout indeed doubled in 2008, then that would mean that approximately 200,000 people showed up to vote.


by DPW on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:00:15 PM EST

Re: Washington sets a Record (2.00 / 4)

Also, Obama leads in the popular vote if you include all states other than MI (where Obama wasn't even on the ballot).

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=3831

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jse ssionid=1AF60A24FCBEA91D8FCB8CBB751CB109 ?diaryId=3835


by DPW on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:06:33 PM EST

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I'm not sure if I understand how Texas will work correctly(primary + caucus?), but if they have a primary, then a caucus, that should be a real test of whether the caucus system reflects the will of the majority of voters.  If Clinton wins in the election, with a larger turnout of voters in relation to registered voters, and Obama wins the caucus, with a smnaller number of voters, I would hope that would make the democratic party take a hard look at the caucus states and hopefully try to go to all primaries by 2012. I don't think anybody has paid attention to this before simply because there has never been a tight race like this before (in my memory).


by AnnC on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:10:12 PM EST

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You have to have voted in the Texas primary to participate in the caucus which happens right after the polls close on March 4th.


A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy. - Teddy Roosevelt
by minvis on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 04:02:48 PM EST
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for providing the "delegate per participant" analysis.  I, too, have been extremely bothered by all the talk of how unfair it would be to have the nominee determined by Super-Delegates, with nary a word of how unfair it would be to have the nominee determined by caucus-states.

The bottom line is that the parties have the right to set the rules as to how their nominees are chosen.  And as frustrated as I am that my vote (in New York) has so much less "delegate-buying power" than the vote of any caucus-goer, I have to accept that these are the rules every agreed to.  If Obama wins the pledged delegates, it will be on the basis of these caucus-weighted votes--and whether or not I think this is "unfair," I'll have to suck it up, because all the candidates knew the rules going in.

If Hillary loses because she chose to concede caucus-states, counting on sweeping large states and Super-delegates, then I, as a Hillary-supporter, will simply have to accept that Obama ran a better campaign and I'll need to SUCK IT UP and work with energy and drive to elect our party's nominee to the White House.  

Conversely, if Obama loses because he and Hillary end up in a basic draw on popular and pledged delegates, but she cleans his clock with Super Delegates, then Obama supporters will have to accept that Hillary ran a better campaign--and I certainly hope that they will SUCK IT UP and work with energy and drive to elect our party's nominee to the White House.

Face it:  there is nothing "democratic" about nominating system--it is sloppy and arcane, it disenfranchises many constituencies and reserves a large role for party insiders.  But these are the rules all the candidates agreed to play by.

The fact is that both Hillary and Barack have inspired extraordinary support and have demonstrated toughness, political savvy and skill (although in very different venues).  And whichever one wins will make a fine President, far better for the country than either GWB or McCain.


by NYNYNY on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:17:29 PM EST

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maine hardly counts due to the fucking blizzard that happened.

but really, your view that caucuses aren't democratic is stupid.

what's more democratic then the citizenry meeting together to debate a subject, and then cast their vote on said subject?


by Soltare on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:32:49 PM EST

Re: Washington sets a Record (2.00 / 1)

Let's see...what would be more democratic?

How about letting everyone vote, whether or not  they can physically make it to vote at a specific time and place. I even have a catchy name for it -- a "primary".


by LakersFan on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 04:27:50 PM EST
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also, you used delegate counts with super delegates, that's retarded, as they aren't delegated by vote.


by Soltare on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:34:25 PM EST

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No I did not


by DaveOinSF on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:49:22 PM EST
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Re: Washington sets a Record (none / 0)

Awesome diary.  Well done.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 06:08:23 PM EST
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Re: Washington sets a Record (none / 0)

Hillary lost Nevada because she got fewer delegates than Obama.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:39:46 PM EST

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Then she came in second in Iowa, because she got more delegates than Edwards, but the media did not buy that. Bias media.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 04:29:08 PM EST
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I'll acknowledge that Edwards came in third in Iowa.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 04:30:12 PM EST
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