Clinton Campaign Manager Out

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Breaking news:

Patti Solis Doyle, the campaign manager for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (N.Y.) presidential bid, has stepped down from that post and will be replaced by longtime Clinton operative Maggie Williams.

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Solis Doyle has a long relationship with the New York senator dating back to the days when she served as scheduler for Clinton in the White House. Solis Doyle served as Clinton's fundraising and strategic guru during her early political career, then managed Clinton's leadership political action committee in the years leading up to this presidential bid. Due to that relationship, there was little surprise when Clinton announced that Solis Doyle would manage the effort.

In the wake of a surprisingly large defeat at the hands of Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) in the Iowa caucuses, there was talk of a staff shakeup and Williams was brought in to coordinate the campaign's activities. That move came on the same night that Clinton scored a stunning come-from-behind victory in New Hampshire -- a win that quieted talk that Williams was being brought in to replace Solis Doyle.

Williams, like Solis Doyle, is someone with a long and close relationship with Hillary Clinton, having served as the then First Lady's chief of staff during the first term of former President Bill Clinton.

It was not immediately clear whether Solis Doyle's departure had to do with events in the campaign or was a decision made independent of those events. The Democratic race appears to have settled into a protracted battle for delegates, although Obama seems to have gained a bit of momentum following his three-state sweep last night. Maine holds caucuses today and the Clinton campaign express optimism heading into the vote about their chances there.

Steve Clemons uses the term "fired" to describe this action, though I have not yet seen that term in other reports (which tend to put the emphasis of the story on Solis Doyle "stepping down" or "quitting").

Either way, this is pretty big news. Campaigns that believe they're moving in all cylinders in the right direction don't generally see shakeups at their highest ranks -- particularly not in the middle of balloting. That is not to say that this news necessarily spells trouble within the Clinton campaign. Nevertheless, with little more than three weeks until Texas and Ohio hold their presidential primaries -- nominating contests that now appear key to Clinton's strategy of slowing down Barack Obama's momentum out of the mid- to late-February states and ultimately to ensure that she wins the Democratic nomination --  if the campaign is spending as much time dealing with new internal hierarchies and plans as it is organizing, it could be problematic for team Clinton.



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Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (none / 0)

I guess I don't know enough about the internal politics of the Clinton campaign to know if they're getting rid of the right person or the wrong person from my point of view.  Obviously, if there's one person I'd like to see banished from the human realm forever it would have to be Mark Penn, but that's not really the point.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:36:41 PM EST

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Mark Penn needs to go. He makes Karl Rove look like a saint.


by Cheebs on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:38:31 PM EST

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When candidates begin to fall, they always look outward for the blame. It couldn't conceivably be Hillary's agenda at home and abroad that could have anything to do with it, or perhaps the notion that everyone in America wants to relive the 90s.

The Democratic party doesn't need another round of Republican Lite, triangulation, and other notions that make clear that the Clintons went Republican long ago.


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by shergald on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:12:19 PM EST
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In what major policy areas will Obama's election change direction from Bush right away?


by rcipw on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:14:09 PM EST
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Umm, all of them? Name one that would be similar. I'm not sure what "right away" means because there is still a Congress to go through before most anything can happen. But tell me how his cap & trade proposal, for example, is similar to Bush, or how it isn't similar to Clinton's.


by Mullibok on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:05:55 PM EST
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You grasped the gist of the differences between Clinton and Obama. From her domestic positions like universal health care (a boon for the medical industries) to her foreign policy position, which replicate the Israel Lobby focus on the Middle East, Hillary is the Washington lobbyists' dream.

What Obama is saying: we have had enough of government for and by the special interests. Americans are down on their government, whether it be the executive or Congress, just because they are focused, not on the needs of our people, but on the needs of the lobbyists, who support reelection campaigns in order to maintain their ascendency in the government. Enough of it. Vote for Obama.


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by shergald on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 10:31:53 AM EST
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Still, Clinton supporters need to make it clear to Hillary they don't want Penn. He is very sinister and seems to be clueless about what the voters wants to hear.


by Cheebs on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:14:47 PM EST
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If Clinton's supporters do this, will she listen? That would be a big sign that she actually is going to govern better than I've assumed.


by MNPundit on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:20:12 PM EST
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The way the Hillary camp is explaining it, it sounds like she was fired. On CNN, the reporter said staff in the campaign were getting tired of Doyle and blaimed many of the failures of communication and wasted money on her.

They should have fired Penn though, that's their problem.

I wonder what this means for Texas?


by Progressive America on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:38:35 PM EST

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Firing a high-ranking Latina ... what say all of the micro-targeting Clinton supporters about such a move?


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:38:46 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (1.00 / 1)

That was a dirty remark.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:53:01 PM EST
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Explain.  We keep hearing how Clinton's strength among Latinos will a) not migrate to Obama, should he win, and b) will be crucial to winning the general.  These have been two of the core arguments on this site for weeks now; people have been repeating these talking points ad nauseum.  Well, does this staff shakeup not have ramifications, if not symbolically?  Especially since Clinton may be betting the farm on Texas, among other March primaries?


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:59:10 PM EST
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Patti Solis Doyle has never been the reason Clinton's been strong among Hispanics. I think Clinton's connection with the community stems from her deep respect and appreciation for their sacrifices having as a little girl babysat for migrant workers in Illinois, and gone on in her life fighting on behalf of families and the under-served (head of the Legal Services Corporation, Staff Attorney for the Children's Defense Fund, and so much else).


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:17:45 PM EST
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I see.  Maybe I'm just frequenting MyDD too much and assuming that the majority of voters would even pay attention to this news item.


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:20:53 PM EST
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Who knows? The media are a wily bunch.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:30:18 PM EST
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This is the first I've heard that PSD is Latina*, and I've been following the campaign pretty closely.  I'd agree that her Latinaness is unlikely to be a factor in the reception of this story.  Or has there been a big deal in Spanish media of her groundbreaking status as a Latina campaign manager?

*I'm not disputing that she is, just recording that I never heard about it.


by DaveMB on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:53:47 PM EST
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I believe she is (was) the first Latina to ever head a presidential campaign.


by animated on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:11:50 PM EST
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lol... in what world is "Solis" not a Latin last name?  I'm pretty sure it's "Solis-Doyle".


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 08:04:12 PM EST
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Re: Richardson (none / 0)

No, it's not Solis-Doyle. In fact, the reason why it isn't hyphenated is because she's a Latina. It still doesn't have any symbolic racial meaning that the Clinton team is retooling.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 10:03:21 PM EST
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Re: Richardson (none / 0)

your signature is Bobby Kennedy....but you don't look back,lol...
   campaigns are business, and when Oprah and Jesse team-up.......ya gotta go to the trenches!
"there came into Egypt, a pharoah who would not see"
by Boo Radley on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:00:24 AM EST
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I think it's really unfortunate to immediately start analyzing this move in racial terms.  I mean, can't we get a little deeper than saying "OMG, they demoted a Latina and promoted an African-American"?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:27:59 PM EST
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As an Obama supporter, I'll take this opportunity to agree and note that by all appearances, Hillary has no problem working with people of a variety of ethnicities and backgrounds.  She's just made the difficult call to replace one close friend and longtime supporter with another, and the ethnicity of either one probably came very close to never crossing her mind.


by DaveMB on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:25:18 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (2.00 / 1)

Patti was not fired. She will remain as a senior advisor to the Clinton campaign. You might want to actually read Patti's statement and Hillary's---part of Hillary's below~~~~

Patti Solis Doyle has done an extraordinary job in getting us to this point - within reach of the nomination - and I am enormously grateful for her friendship and her outstanding work. And, as Patti has said, this already has been the longest presidential campaign in history and one that has required enormous sacrifices of everyone and our families. I look forward to her continued advice in the months ahead. Patti and I have worked with Maggie Williams for more than a decade. I am lucky to have Maggie on board and I know she will lead our campaign with great skill towards the nomination.


by americanincanada on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:39:07 PM EST

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She was fired and all the campaign staff are saying bad things about her right now.


by Progressive America on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:40:40 PM EST
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Patti Solis Doyle wasn't fired, and they're not all saying bad things about her.

Candy Crowley spoke with several Clinton campaign insiders.  They said part of the reason for the shakeup was the feeling that the ground game wasn't well-organized, and money wasn't well-spent.  But it was also that they felt things were disorganized, with two different people to report to.  They wanted to simplify things.

They also said Doyle will be traveling with Clinton from now on.  Hardly what I call being fired.


by randym77 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:06:52 PM EST
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no she wasn't....and tell Oprah i said that!....lol


"there came into Egypt, a pharoah who would not see"
by Boo Radley on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:01:43 AM EST
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Yes, that statement confirms it. Let me translate it from corporate speak for you.

"She's fired but we will move her to some BS job so it doesn't look so bad to the press. Also with Texas coming up we don't want to be seen kicking the highest ranking Latrina in our camapign out on the steet."


by hankg on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:48:54 PM EST
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I think it's kind of shitty that you're calling her a Latrina.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:53:49 PM EST
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That was a unintentional misspelling which I did not see until you pointed it out. I wish I could edit it. It was not my intention to make what looks like a really nasty racist remark. Especially since I and my wife are Latinos.


by hankg on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:04:05 PM EST
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Actually, that was a pun on my part. I know what you mean but I still disapprove of it very much. What I suspect is the reason behind her stepping down is that she's not been as vocal and visible as she could have been.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:13:04 PM EST
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one thing is predictable about us Dems......we'll always have the likes of your kind helping us to self-distruct........go back to Oz, or maybe change affiliations?


"there came into Egypt, a pharoah who would not see"
by Boo Radley on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:52:42 AM EST
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Moves like this are never voluntary.  Clinton's best performance was Maine, where she lost by 18% (or more).  You knew she was in trouble when rumblings started that she overspent in Iowa.


by tlsmith on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 08:04:09 PM EST
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ha....
    if you guys think Hillary Clinton is stupid, go vote for Oprah.....ummm,Jackson....Obama, yeah that's him!
    keep buying into buying old messages....god help us all.
"there came into Egypt, a pharoah who would not see"
by Boo Radley on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:05:11 AM EST
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It was time for Patti to go. Mark Penn needs to go next. Hillary should have had a more tested and steady hand at the helm of the campaign to start with.

What the Clinton people are starting to realize is that without quick change in the campaign, and soon, they are going to lose.


by arkansasdemocrat on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:44:26 PM EST

seems a bit late (none / 0)

with less than a month before two huge must-win primaries for her.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:32:50 PM EST
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Re: seems a bit late (none / 0)


But last-minute shake-ups worked out well (in the primaries) for Kerry last time, so who knows?
Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:33:33 PM EST
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nope...what Hillary is realising is that she has to adjust to the onslaught of the Illinois assault of Oprah and Jesse Jackson.......Obama is a used-car salesman......"no mam, that red fluid is just a sign  that the car is resting....never mind all that, just sign right here.".......lol


"there came into Egypt, a pharoah who would not see"
by Boo Radley on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:10:14 AM EST
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How do you explain Clinton wining the primaries and Obama crushing her in the caucuses? Organization.

The Bush way is to pretend like everything is okay.

The Clinton way is to start firing people.

Different management strategies.


by dMarx on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:44:40 PM EST

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Clinton is not winning the primaries.  They are tied 9-9.  


by Piuma on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:48:33 PM EST
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I believe the commenter referring to overall votes, not the number of states.

Oh those crazy little voters--why should their say count?


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:36:22 PM EST
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Let's see, Obama won the following primaries;
AL, CT, DE, GA, IL, LA, MO, SC, UT.

Clinton won the following primaries;
AR, AZ, CA, MA, NJ, NY, TN.

FL and MI don't count since they are not used in selecting delegates to the national convention, no one campaigned in those states, and Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI.


by tlsmith on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 08:11:02 PM EST
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You forgot NH & OK for Hillary
by Safe at Home on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 05:28:58 AM EST
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it's called management realisation.
  what the white vote, and press, should be spinning negative, was the racist vote in the south.....but one half of Obama might have been offended?
   the guy is a walking politically correct jugernaut!....hand's off until Big Blue takes aim....
"there came into Egypt, a pharoah who would not see"
by Boo Radley on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:17:55 AM EST
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Link please?

I have been reading official campaign memos not Obama leaning blogs.

If you have a link to this supposed rock solid truth, a link showing Pattis will no longer be a part of the campaign in any capacity and was fired. Please...share it with the class.

And NO...rumors at blogs and CNN do not count.


by americanincanada on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:45:03 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (2.00 / 2)

Are you implying THIS is an Obama-leaning Blog?  If so, that is a good one my friend.  

More substantively, I suspect this will be a net positive for Hillary's campaign.  Some fresh blood can be a good thing for any campaign and she'll retain enough continuity to keep things moving in the short term.  As many have noted over the years, Bill and Hillary both perform quite well with their backs against the wall.  I wouldn't underestimate her for a second.  


by HSTruman on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:49:08 PM EST
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americanincanada, she was not "fired-fired" She's moving to a different position. And no, since this is happening in real-time, there are currently no "rock solid truth" links. Perhaps the best I can do, for now is washingtonpost's TheTrail blug. I'm sure more "rock solid truth" will pop up soon.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2008/02/10/breaking_doyle_out_as_campai gn.html


by poserM on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:06:21 PM EST
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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/02/10/653470.aspx

"senior advisor" is a polite way of saying that you're being marginalized to the point where you are powerless to do anything.


by tlsmith on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 08:21:34 PM EST
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You know who Mark Penn reminds me of?

Matt Millen.  He's highly paid, has underperformed and continues to have a job for no apparent reason.

In Penn's defense, he hasn't drafted wide receivers every year.


by ChrisR on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:53:11 PM EST

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But Matt Millen DOES have one heck of a mustache.  That's gotta count for something....  :)

Good comparison though, seriously.  


by HSTruman on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:57:01 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (2.00 / 1)

I don't think Penn has earned that title just yet.  Bob Shrum is really the Matt Millen-like character in this analogy.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:59:21 PM EST
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Good point.  lol  

Poor Bob...


by HSTruman on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:07:01 PM EST
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I was going to go with Wayne Fontes, as I like to kick it old-school.

Seriously.  Mark Penn got paid $4.5 Million -- isn't there some sort of fidicuary duty to campaign contributors to avoid this kind of thing?


by ChrisR on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:00:05 PM EST
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Hey, don't trash Wayne Fontes. He was always under threat of being fired, but always seemed to bring the team to the playoffs nonetheless.


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by Jonathan Singer on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:17:06 PM EST
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Maybe Isiah Thomas would be a better comparison?


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:18:41 PM EST
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NO.  Nothing can ever compare to Isiah Thomas.  EVER.


by ChrisR on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:23:08 PM EST
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It might have helped that he had perhaps the greatest running back of all time.

I was a Wayne Fontes defender for the longest time, but towards the end I finally realized that he was just plain bad.

By the way, do we have an unusually large number of people here who care about the Lions, or what?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:22:22 PM EST
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Well, Kitna is on the hotline to God, after all.


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:28:30 PM EST
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Not just that, but I kind of liked the WR corps and they clearly had a halfway decent linebacking corps.

57-42 in ME.  Yeesh.  I'm starting to wonder if Hillary's going to win another state before Ohio and Texas -- and, frankly, whether she will win either of those the way the momentum and the media narrative are being set up.


by ChrisR on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:28:32 PM EST
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I could've coached the Lions to playoffs with Barry out of the backfield.


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by Trond Jacobsen on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:18:30 PM EST
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Is it...

...Bolton-esque?


by MNPundit on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:22:34 PM EST
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I hope HRC make some major changes. I know for a fact the getting out to vote - Phone bank in Bayarea was terrible. Obama folks were calling people starting Jan. They had people with street signs in every major intersection. Visibility make a great perception. Also Obama holds meeting in larger stadiums and fills it up with 20000 people. MSM shows that and mentions their numbers while HRC holds smaller meetings with
3000/5000 people.

Bring Carville or Begala Back :)

The Ground game in Texas, Ohio , Wisconsin and PA
matters now. I cannot understand why BHO has better ground operations than HRC

Send another 50$ .


by indus on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:54:17 PM EST

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I'm sure Hillary would like 20,000 at her events. But very few politicians can get that kind of turnout. Even when Kerry was the nominee, he had a tough time getting 15,000 - 20,000.


by Progressive America on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:59:20 PM EST
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HRC came to San Jose on a Friday just before super tuesday at 2.30. There were about 7000 inside and about 5k/6k outside. If the event was at the HP pavilion, I am sure that we could have filled the stadium.

The Hillary web page sucks with almost no real time update. I would say his homepage is better than HRC. Redesign the HRC site.

Hope HRC redo their operations


by indus on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:55:45 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (2.00 / 1)

The difference between ground operations really has to be the most startling aspect of the campaign so far.  I really don't know how to explain it, unless the Clinton camp truly believed that Super Tuesday effectively would be the end of the primary season.


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:05:04 PM EST
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it seems fairly obvious (none / 0)

that they were counting on putting Obama away on February 5.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:34:03 PM EST
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it goes to a fundamental campaign strategy: (none / 0)

bottom-up or top-down.  Obama's community organizing history and sensibility has infused his campaign since the beginning.  This plus the obvious reality that the Clintons have 16 years of establishment contacts, are the explanations.

February 5 will go down as the tipping point if Obama can close the deal.  Staying close (within 10%) in TX, OH and PA will not be as difficult as fighting to a draw on 2/5.    


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by mboehm on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:47:53 PM EST
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yeah, like Oprah's billions and Jesse Jackson....


"there came into Egypt, a pharoah who would not see"
by Boo Radley on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:28:54 AM EST
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amazing-  somebody has updated her wikipedia entry already to include today's firing...


by global yokel on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:54:25 PM EST

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You'd be surprised. Wikipedia is practically real time.


by poserM on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:03:18 PM EST
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A friend asked me today "Is it over" asking if Obama won last night... I can't help but think a lot of people around the country are wondering the same thing.


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by CardBoard on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:00:01 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (2.00 / 0)

If they are, the answer is decidedly 'No.'  Hillary is still favored, significantly, in the last three big states.  That pretty much assures a deadlocked campaign heading into the convention unless she picks up a few other victories in the mean time or Obama manages to pry one of those three away from her.  


by HSTruman on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:08:44 PM EST
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But . . . . Clinton has (almost) always been favored  "significantly" several weeks before each state's primary/caucus


by poserM on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:11:07 PM EST
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I said 'no,' but I think Obama just can't get killed in all three.  Hillary has to win all three.  That is a lot of pressure.


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by CardBoard on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:13:03 PM EST
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I agree.  She made so much money, why can't she use it for ground operations.  Unless those operations are truly grass-roots.  But having raised $10 million, then where is it going???

She needs ground operations in Wisconsin immediately.....


by findthesource on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:11:54 PM EST

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There necessarily would be a delay in applying money that was just raised, though, I think.  I don't know if I would fault her campaign for that.  The lack of a ground game until now is a different story, however.


by rfahey22 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:16:53 PM EST
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I'm assuming to Mark Penn's company.


by MNPundit on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:23:40 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (none / 0)

Should have made changes after NH, we'll see if Maggie can move quickly before the 19th. She has been in place since NH so maybe she is set to go.


by souvarine on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:19:37 PM EST

have to agree with you there (none / 0)

They were probably planning to make the change then, but when Hillary had the surprise win in NH, maybe they thought they could get away with not making it.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:35:55 PM EST
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Re: Taylor Marsh says it best (2.00 / 0)

She's tough and competent, and battle-tested as well.  As Chief-of-Staff to the First Lady she was tangentially involved in the Chung contribution controversy, of which she was never formally charged with any wrong-doing I might add:


With regard to Maggie Williams, I'd like to make a comment about that. She is an honorable person. She was put in a rather unusual circumstance, and as a courtesy, she agreed to do what the relevant regulation plainly provides for, which is to forward the check on to the Democratic National Committee.

Now, in retrospect, with all the publicity that's attended the whole contribution issue, would it have been better if Maggie Williams had said, "Look, I can do this under the regulations, but I've decided I shouldn't do it and I want you to go mail it in yourself or take it over there yourself"? That would have been a better thing to do.

And in the future, I expect that the White House will follow that course should such an occasion ever arise again.

President Bill Clinton - Transcript of President Clinton's News Conference Washington Post 8 Mar 97

She's is a smart and capable operator with a media speciality.  Time is short however.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:24:41 PM EST

Re: Taylor Marsh says it best (none / 0)

c'mon, don't go negative......the car salesman might have to defend your position.


"there came into Egypt, a pharoah who would not see"
by Boo Radley on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:33:15 AM EST
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Re: Taylor Marsh says it best (none / 0)

Hey, I'm already in Oz, man.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 03:28:52 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (none / 0)

How in the world does she take the hit instead of Mark Penn or Terry McCaulfie?


What would LBJ do?
by Socks The Cat on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:13:03 PM EST

To Tell You the Truth (none / 0)

From what I read about Patti Solis Doyle in a NY Times article, I found her resume to be so scant that the post of campaign manager seemed a little bit of a reach.  I think the adviser role is more appropriate.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:33:13 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (none / 0)

Someone had to go. There have been some glaring missteps. Hillary was talking about being outspent, but there must be organizational issues.

I have not received any calls from the Clinton campaign; got three robocalls from Obama; got a leaflet dropped at my door from Obama. Where the f*^% is Clinton here in Virginia! I'm not even that far from campaign HQ. I have not had the time to go get yard sign myself but may have to tomorow because I really feel a need to plant atleast one Clinton sign while she's still in this thing. I'm super frustrated.


by India on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:34:05 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (none / 0)

In NJ, I got three robocalls (two from Clinton, one from Menendez) plus a live call from Clinton's campaign and nothing from Obama.  And I'm not even a Democrat (or, I wasn't at the time, I had to declare a temporary affiliation at the poll to vote in the primary).

Of course, Hillary won NJ, too.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:04:51 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (none / 0)

"Clinton Wins Ohio, Texas - Campaign back on track"

Maggie will get a lot of praise.

Shake up now, and when the returns from Tx/Oh come in (even though she would have won them anyway) it looks like she stumbled, and is now the comeback kid.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:38:32 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (none / 0)

again


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:38:38 PM EST
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Patti (none / 0)

She was the one that everyone thought was gone after NH. I still think that at the end of the day that it is Hillary, Bill and Penn making all the decisions. This sounds like something for media consumption.


by highgrade on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 10:48:08 PM EST

Will she move to the right? (none / 0)

Interesting quote by her new campaign manager, from the NYT:


In an interview with The New York Times in 1999, Ms. Williams said of Mrs. Clinton: "The biggest mistake of the American press is thinking they know her. You know, people think she's such a big lib. I think she's extremely conservative. I think she has more in common with people in upstate New York than in New York City, in a lot of ways."


by Piuma on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 11:38:20 PM EST

Re: Clinton Campaign Manager Out (none / 0)

she'll adjust just like the Oprah/Jackson/Obama camp.....
    it's politics, it ain't personal?.....or is it?
 
"there came into Egypt, a pharoah who would not see"
by Boo Radley on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 02:41:40 AM EST


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