Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama?

Frank Rich has a brain.  I used to enjoy reading him and watching him stick it to whatever Republican talking point that most raised his ire on a given week.  But I don't understand why he has chosen to be so subjectively hateful of late to Senator Clinton. For example, after discussing her recent Town Hall event in a tone dripping with sarcasm, Rich says (link):

What's more, it offered a naked preview of how nastily the Clintons will fight, whatever the collateral damage to the Democratic Party, in the endgame to come.

Then, in a manner very uncharacteristic for those of us accustomed to reading Frank Rich over the years, he wanders through a litany of other complaints (all of which seem non-objective to my admittedly biased eye) and gets completely off point.  When he finally gets back on track to talk about what he meant when he referred to Clinton nastiness, the first thing he says is that the show was on a set that was "a deliberate throwback to the good old days of 1992."  OK, I'm not even sure he is right about that part, but even so that is hardly "nastiness."

Then Rich continues by pointing out that the Wil.I.Am youtube video was probably seen by more people than Hillary's Town Hall Event.  He may well be right there, but how is that making his point that Hillary Clinton is being nasty?  Is his point that she over-hyped her event?  If that is his point then he contradicts himself elsewhere in the same piece when he says that it was intentionally designed to not get Network News Coverage:

The same news media that constantly revisited the Oprah-Caroline-Maria rally in California ignored "Voices Across America: A National Town Hall." The Clinton campaign would no doubt attribute this to press bias, but it scrupulously designed the event to avoid making news.

Rich also says the event was scripted.  Here I think there is a rational explanation that makes more sense than comparing it to a Bush Town Hall where softball questions are picked.  Yes, the campaign did select questions from among those submitted on the web and at the various locations.  But at each location it was the audience who determined which of them would ask what question.  And the Clinton campaign allowed them to do so without any interference as far as I can tell.  Unlike a Bush Town Hall, where the questions are designed to promote some halftruth talking points, Hillary's team took questions and her supporters picked questions that allowed her to show her mastery of a wide array of subjects.  The Clinton campaign thinks this compares her favorably with Obama because he doesn't know the issues as well.  So the format was intended to display what they see as her biggest strength.  That is hardly nasty.

Rich also accuses the Clinton team of playing on the sympathies of supporters with the loan Hillary took out and revisits a story about Bill Clinton's profits from one deal.  That latter story was all through the media last week and fell with a thud because the public saw it as a non-important issue.  The usual suspects played it up but it got no traction.  But Frank Rich wants to bring it up again for some reason.  It seems obvious that are a lot of objective explanations of the loan Hillary took out and the non-importance of "Bill's Deal," but today Frank Rich wasn't interested in objectivity.

Finally, Frank Rich gets around to what he really meant when he said Hillary's team is nasty. He says repeatedly that they are playing the race card:


The campaign's other most potent form of currency remains its thick deck of race cards. This was all too apparent in the Hallmark show. In its carefully calibrated cross section of geographically and demographically diverse cast members -- young, old, one gay man, one vet, two union members -- African-Americans were reduced to also-rans. One black woman, the former TV correspondent Carole Simpson, was given the servile role of the meeting's nominal moderator, Ed McMahon to Mrs. Clinton's top banana. Scattered black faces could be seen in the audience. But in the entire televised hour, there was not a single African-American questioner, whether to toss a softball or ask about the Clintons' own recent misadventures in racial politics.

Let's address this piece by piece.  First, I watched this Town Hall too and I certainly didn't get the impression that Carole Simpson was in a servile role.  Second, I know for a fact that the Clinton Team was out beating the bushes looking for supporters to fill these Town Hall events.  The most logical explanation for the lack of black voters and an abundance of Hispanic is that black voters seem to have chosen Obama and Senator Clinton is very popular among Hispanics.  So if the Town Halls are full of Clinton supporters, one could rationally expect more Hispanics and less African Americans.  How Frank Rich missed so obvious a point is a mystery to me.

As to why there were no African American questioners, Frank Rich implies that the Clinton camp avoided them so they would not get asked about "why they played the race card."  Since, as Rich already noted, there were not as many African Americans in the audiences, and since supporters in each location (not the Clinton team) picked the questioner from among themselves, it isn't hard to figure out why there might not have been any African Americans picked to ask a question.  But since the Town Hall also featured questions submitted over the internet, I am curious to know how Frank Rich divined the race of those particular questioners when he says no African Americans asked questions.

And I have to note that in her rallies in California before Super Tuesday, Hillary had a lot of African Americans on display, including Magic Johnson and, most importantly, Maxine Waters.  They played very prominent roles in the rallies, which seems to contradict Rich's accusation that the lack of African Americans in the Town Hall was intentional.  

The main thing that Frank Rich charges the Clintons with nastiness with is race-baiting.  I am curious to know why he thinks the mention of cocaine by Mark Penn is race-baiting, though I did find Penn's comment unappealing to say the least.  But that is really neither here nor there.  Here is Frank Rich's takeaway point to go with his title about a "Brewing Civil War in the Democratic Party":

A race-tinged brawl at the convention, some nine weeks before Election Day, will not be a Hallmark moment. As Mr. Wilkins reiterated to me last week, it will be a flashback to the Democratic civil war of 1968, a suicide for the party no matter which victor ends up holding the rancid spoils.
 

And to this I have to respond that Mr. Rich is giving a very one-sided version of the story. Tim Russert did actually catch the Obama team playing the race card in South Carolina with a four page list of talking points, despite denials by Barack himself that they were doing so.

Video HERE and HERE.

That list included things that were pointedly not racist in nature, like Bill's use of the word "fairytale" to talk about Obama's record on the war and Hillary's discussion of LBJ and MLK.  The most obvious Obama camp person twisting Bill Clinton's word "fairytale" out of context to play the race card against the Clintons was Donna Brazile.

Video HERE.

Michelle also got into the act on this one. (link):

Sometimes we feel it's better not to try at all than to try and fail. These are complicated emotions, left in our heads and hearts from years of struggle, emotions we must face if we're going to overcome as a community if we want to lift ourselves up. We must do it in the face of those who will attempt to play on those emotions for our own purposes, to discourage us from believing what is possible...to dismiss this moment as an illusion, as a fairytale.

Michelle also played the race card on the stump in other ways.  She said "America needs a black president" despite claims by both the Obama campaign and the national media that the Obama candidacy transcends race.  This did get picked up by the media, but they never rode this story like they did some of the Clinton stories they manufactured.

Video HERE.

If Frank Rich wants to say there is a war brewing, it seems fair to point out that the Obama camp seems interested in using false charges of racism to inflame black voters against the Clintons.

And if there is a Civil War, it is being fought on two fronts.  In some instances race has played a role.  Hillary won all of MO except for St. Louis and Kansas City.  African American votes gave Obama such a large margin in those two cities that he carried the whole state.  And in other instances it has been a generational war with youth mainly voting for Obama.  In California young Hispanics voted for Obama and older Hispanics for Hillary.  Sometimes it is both racial and generational, as it was in South Carolina.  If there is a war within the party, let's be honest about the full nature of that war.



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What an idiot. (2.00 / 2)

Questions were voted on by the various groups in the different states, and an african american asked a question in the audience.  Further, the moderator is a Hillary supporter.  I hate this man.  I hate him.  His contempt for women is obvious.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:35:58 PM EST

Yep, whatever respect... (none / 0)

I had for Frank Rich has been lost yet again. Rich's attacks on Hillary today remind me of... Rich's attacks on Al Gore in 2000. Remember when he and his BFF Maureen Dowd bashed Gore for his "lies on Love Canal and inventing the internet", and laughed at him for focusing on some "stupid lock box" and some "people vs. the powerful nonsense meant to ignite class warfare"? Just like what they did with Gore trying to talk real substance in the face of the media created phemomenon of George W. Bush, the corporate media is bashing Hillary for raising the real issues that they want ignored. They'd rather see someone like Obama fall into their trap in sticking to "post-partisan" nonsense than talking the real issues that real people care about.

That's why Frank Rich is frothing at the mouth again.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:42:41 PM EST
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GORE 2000 = HILLARY 2008. (none / 0)


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:43:05 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (2.00 / 1)

Frank Rich is something of a turd, but he does make some valid points, as much as we might not like to hear them.

1) Barack Obama HAS done a good job of playing racial politics by NOT playing them.  When he speaks of change NOT being defined by race or gender, he simultaneously remids voters of his heritage, while pointing out Hillary's regretably shallow use of both to define change. As such, between the both of them, an intergenrational/race-based conflict could split the party.

2) It is fair to take Hillary and her surrogates to task over their visible, overt tactics.  Most of Hillary's problems have erupted over her initial sense of entitlement to the nomination.  By treating Obama as a also-ran, or as someone who was standing in her way, his wins have come at the expense of her self-proclaimed inevitabilty AND have strengthened his aura of "movement-maker".  

But to call out Hillary is not to be a misoginist or a woman-hater, just as it not true to say that any FAIR criticism of Barack is racial in nature.

I am supporting Barack, and I am not a Hillary-hater, nor a woman hater.  One does not preclude the other.


by a gunslinger on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:50:12 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (2.00 / 2)

What Obama has done successfully is to convince the media to push this narrative that he has not been playing racial politics.  When Obama's wife is going around saying things like "black voters will wake up and get it," it's obvious they're not trying to keep race out of it any more than Hillary is trying to keep gender out of it.  They've just succeeded, with the help of the media, in keeping it below the radar.

Nor have I seen anything from Hillary to suggest that she felt "entitled" to the nomination.  When she was way ahead in the polls, she showed up for debate after debate with her opponents without complaint, in contrast to Obama's recent shenanigans concerning debates.  When people suggested that she should just skip Iowa because she wasn't likely to win there, she said no and took her best shot at the state instead.  None of those are the actions of someone who feels "entitled" to the nomination without working for it.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:56:43 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

Exactly what "shenanigants" has Obama engaged in again?  He accepted two of the four debates she proposed.  The idea that he was going to debate once a week, when he -far more than she - needs to close a gap in the secon super tuesday states strikes me as silly.  It was smart politics for HRC to demand more debates, but it's  hardly objectionable for him to reach a different judgment about where his time is best spent.  

As far as race goes, I would submit that BOTH campaigns played around with that particular issue.  I will readily concede that Obama surrogates made comments that I hope they now regret.  But Bill and the Clinton campaign share some of the blame for the spectacle leading up to SC.  Do you really deny that?


by HSTruman on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:22:35 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (2.00 / 1)

By "shenanigans" I mean things like Obama's campaign accusing Hillary of bush-league tactics by calling for debates, things like Obama trying to duck out of debating by saying we've already had 18 debates and people aren't clamoring for more.

When that trial balloon didn't seem to be going so well, yes, Obama agreed to 2 debates, which I think is a fair number.  But my point is, Hillary freely agreed to a very large number of debates when she was the clear frontrunner, and Obama tried to weasel out of doing them once he picked up the momentum.  The question, if you'll recall, was whether Hillary had been acting like she was "entitled" to the nomination without working for it.

As for the racial issues, the only thing I sought to address was the notion that Obama has been doing everything in his power to avoid bringing race into the campaign, a claim which I see as clearly false.  If you really want to rehash all the racial crap from both sides in this campaign, I really have to decline as it's unproductive at this point.  If you want me to stipulate that neither side has clean hands, I agree completely.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:30:14 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

The stipulation was all I'm looking for regarding racial issues.  My position, often repeated, is that there is  blame to go around.  Perhaps its merely b/c Obama folks are outnumbered around here, but a whole lot of Clinton fans seem to view theri side as pure on that score.  

I disagree with you about the debates, but that's fine.  Hillary "accepting" debates that everyone was essentially obligated to go to at the beginning of the election doesn't strike me as the same thing as debate proposals in February.  But it's a pretty minor point.  The bottom line is that two is absolutely reasonable.  


by HSTruman on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:37:16 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (2.00 / 0)

Did you read the diary?  Did you not see the part about Tim Russert making Obama admit that he had lied about not playing the race card and admit that he did have a four page talking point list that included attacking the "fairytale" reference that was obviously about Obama's record on Iraq and had nothing to do with race.  Damn I wish people would learn to read before they make stupid comments that have been thoroughly disproven in what they are commenting about.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:35:33 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

If you think what you cited "proves" that Obama was somehow solely responsible for the racial explosiions leading up to SC I don't know what to tell you.  Both sides said regretable things.  Neither the Clintons nor Obama are racists.  Thankfully, such issues have calmed down -- which is good for the party.

Honestly, do you really think this is the kind of issue where you can objectively place all the blame on one side or the other?  Especially where one of the parties involved is the first black man with a real chance to win either party's nomination?  There are multiple, and equally valid, ways to view statements and actions my friend.  I'm sorry if you don't understand that.  


by HSTruman on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:40:39 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

Who said he was "solely" responsible.  What I see everywhere is people saying the Clintons played the race card and Obama is innocent.  And don't pretend you haven't seen the same thing.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:45:18 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

I really haven't.  What I saw was a bunch of stories both blaming the Clintons for racial insensitivity (primarily BIll) that ALSO started raising the "question" of whether Obama was now simply "the black candidate."  In short, stories that helped NEITHER candidate.  


by HSTruman on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:52:18 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

And missing from that whole thing is that Obama himself played the race card because he wanted other  blacks to think of him as the "black" candidate.  Can you not see how important that is for the media to have been almost completely silent on it?


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:59:00 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

We disagree.  It's really pointless to keep talking about this.  You apparently see nothing wrong with any of the Clintons behavior and want to lay all the blame on Obama.  I think there is blame to go around.  


by HSTruman on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 09:31:23 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

Don't put words in my mouth or be intentionally obtuse.  I never said they were completely blameless.


by Mike Pridmore on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:07:04 AM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

OK, so what did the Clintons do wrong?  I'd like to get you on record affirmatively conceding that they also acted in a regretable manner.


by HSTruman on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 05:34:09 PM EST
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Re: What an idiot. (none / 0)

The main thing they can be blamed for without question is the cocaine mentions by Mark Penn.  The smears that Obama is a muslim can be blamed on supporters.  Andrew Cuomo's shuck and jive mention was actually taken out of context once you look at what he actually said.  Bob Johnson is a known loose cannon.  I was offended by what he said even though I don't think it is Hillary's fault.  Those are the ones that come to mind.


by Mike Pridmore on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 09:08:40 PM EST
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Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (2.00 / 2)

Saying that Hillary put Carole Simpson in a "servile role" was just disgusting.  God, why not just accuse her of running a plantation.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:38:33 PM EST

Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (2.00 / 1)

Oh No!!! He said something critical of Hillary!!! He must hate all women everywhere!!!

I'm not serious, of course.  Just a bad joke.  Which is just about what the Clinton campaign has devolved to lately.


by davey jones on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:44:06 PM EST

it's charcter assination (2.00 / 1)

critical is okay, but he's a fathead, he just knows what she means, and he makes up what's in his projected alter-ego.  If you don't protest when they're coming for us, we won't be around when they're coming for you.  even if you have a different first choice than HIllary you ought to be able to call bull shit when you see it.  


by anna shane on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:17:38 PM EST
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Deal? (none / 0)

You call Krugman on his BS and we'll call Rich on his. Since Krugman's been at it longer then you go first.

Go ahead.


by Mystylplx on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:23:33 PM EST
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Krugman only speaks policy (2.00 / 1)

he has not dissed Obama's character or his campaign. He engages in policy discussions, one sided of course, Obama answers by impugning Krugman's motives, not on economic policy debating points.  That's what they do in Chicago when they can't defend  policy?  


by anna shane on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:30:11 PM EST
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Re: Krugman only speaks policy (none / 0)

Krugman plays games with semantics. That's pretty much all he does.


by Mystylplx on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:37:48 PM EST
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Re: Krugman only speaks policy (none / 0)

The man is a pre-eminent economist.  He does a lot more than play games with semantics.  He runs circles around most people when it comes to understanding economics.  He also understands what it means to be a liberal and has stood up for liberal ideals, something outside his chosen field.  Only someone who wanted to unfairly diminish his accomplishments and activities would word it the way you have.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 09:22:51 PM EST
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Re: Krugman only speaks policy (none / 0)

He still plays the semantic game of pretending that Hillary's plan is "Universal" health care while Obama's isn't, simply because she has mandates and he doesn't.

That makes him an irrelevant joke who has long since lost touch with reality. Krugman used to be relevant, but no longer.


by Mystylplx on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:21:57 PM EST
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Re: Krugman only speaks policy (none / 0)

Paul has a great book called "The Conscience of a Liberal."  You can make all the silly accusations you want because I think you're full of it.


by Mike Pridmore on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 09:10:51 PM EST
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This guy message is all about hate (2.00 / 1)

and it can't be a good thing.


by JoeySky18 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:46:44 PM EST

Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (2.00 / 1)

He just lost his mind.  And his credibility.  The Hallmark thing was clearly an attempt to fire up her strongest supporters--middle-aged women.  Somehow Rich thinks it was a nasty, racist ploy?  Methinks the shark has been jumped...


by BklynDem on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:47:20 PM EST

Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (none / 0)

That is a great article. Her Hallmark show was a joke.
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by weneedobama on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:48:14 PM EST

Gimme a break! (none / 0)

So when did it become a "joke" to answer real people's questions on real issues? And when did it become a "great movement" when one campaign releases a music video filled with celebrities singing to one campaign speech? I think I'd take the town hall over the celebrity music video any day. ;-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:52:42 PM EST
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Re: Gimme a break! (none / 0)

You miss the point. How many times have you watched a fake Bush "town hall" where each person asks questions like "How hard is it for you to be the best President in our country's history" and "Why is the Iraq war going so well?" It was scripted and false, just like her.
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by weneedobama on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:06:19 PM EST
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give them both break? (2.00 / 1)

They are two candidates for president.  Neither is like Bush. Obama doesn't answer questions like Hillary, from anyone and everyone, he read speeches.   She's on top of her policy and she knows history and world leaders and what a future president needs to know. Not that we've had any as prepared, experienced and competent as she, he's as good as many previous candidates, just not as good as she.   You might ask why he's so reluctant to debate her, had to be shamed into it, had to pretend he isn't afraid.  


by anna shane on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:21:59 PM EST
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Re: Gimme a break! (2.00 / 1)

If you are going to comment in a diary, please do the diarist the kind service of reading the diary first.  Clearly Hillary wanted to show her competence by answering policy questions.  Bush uses planted questions to push halftruths and intentionally misleading talking points.  That is as different as daylight and dark.  And I clearly talked about that in the diary.  Damn I wish people would learn to read the whole thing before they comment.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:39:49 PM EST
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Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (none / 0)

The "show" was oveerly scriped and forced.  I think the more fair criticism of the "meeting" in comparing it to the video, is that HRC's event lacked the power and punch that the video did.  

One was a created event by the campaign, and the other was produced FOR the capaign by believers.  

Now thats power.


by a gunslinger on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:56:15 PM EST
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Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (2.00 / 1)

It wasn't cripted. People in the various states offered questions, and then the groups voted by applause for which question would be asked.  She had no idea what she was going to be asked.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:08:04 PM EST
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Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (none / 0)

If you believe that, you'll believe any lie she tells us.
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by weneedobama on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:10:26 PM EST
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Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (2.00 / 1)

What you and an awful lot of people don't understand is that the questions you saw (or didn't see, as the case may be) during that town hall were the sort of things that real people want to get answers on.

Most voters want to know how the candidates will address the things that are happening in their lives right now.  They want to know how their problems will be solved.  They do not want to play some Tim Russert-style game of gotcha by asking Hillary why she voted against the Levin Amendment in 2002, or any of that.

If you think the questions were like "how do you manage to be so awesome" then you must not have watched at all.  People asked serious policy questions and they got serious, detailed answers.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:34:48 PM EST
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Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (none / 0)

I hate to say this, but it seems that Obama supporters are so accustomed to pep rallies disguised as town halls that they don't know what a real town hall with real questions is supposed to look like.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:42:04 PM EST
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Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (none / 0)

I guess the idea is that Obama stands there all day and fields one tough question after another from hostile questioners.  Maybe that's going on, but I sure haven't heard much about it.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:46:49 PM EST
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Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (none / 0)

hahahahahaha

All of us who saw the town hall got a glimpse of just that happening.  You can believe what you want but we saw with our own eyes that the audiences in various locations were picking who among them would get to ask a question.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:47:33 PM EST
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lacked the media coverage (2.00 / 1)

She covered a lot of policy, guess that's boring to Frank.  


by anna shane on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:24:20 PM EST
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Scripted and forced (2.00 / 0)

Obama never does Q and A. He never does news confrernces. He never does anything that isn't "scripted." Obama shows up at a rally in his cocoon. He leaves the cocoon only to deliver his prepared speech. Then he goes back inside his cocoon. When Obama has to speak off the cuff, like at the debates, he is awful. He stammers and stutters and can't think on his feet. He comes across as uninformed about the details of the issues, and just repeats his talking points (even though they are not responsive to the question asked him).

As for "forced," nothing to me seems more so than that disgusting, Stalinist, culist video put out by those D list celebrities parroting their Messiah's ungracious, concession speech in NH. Their repetition of his empty bloviations only served to emphasize the complete lack of substance in the speech, and their own uncritical reverence for a man who, after all, is only a politician.

Finally, if you believe that story about the Obama campaign having nothing to do with the creation of the video, there is a bridge connecting New York and Kings Counties that you might like to buy!


by freemansfarm on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:41:15 PM EST
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You are misstating what he said. (none / 0)

Where did he use the word "nasty?" You repeatedly claim he used that word, but if he did I can't find it in the article.

And BTW, when you quote extensively from someone elses work you should provide a link to it. Here, I'll do it for you--

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/opinio n/10rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


by Mystylplx on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:51:10 PM EST

Re: You are misstating what he said. (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, "nastily." Adverb. Close, though.
"...it offered a naked preview of how nastily the Clintons will fight, whatever the collateral damage to the Democratic Party, in the endgame to come."
by BklynDem on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 03:57:06 PM EST
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Re: You are misstating what he said. (none / 0)

Ah. Missed that, but he does have a point. If nothing else then understand that if Hillary wins on the basis of superdelegates then it will destroy the Democratic party. We'll have to wait and see if she'll be willing to take it that far, but I certainly wouldn't put it past her.


by Mystylplx on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:10:20 PM EST
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his point is he likes Obama for now (none / 0)

His point is he wants to help characterize Hillary negatively and add hit two bits to the 'negative' narrative.  What did I miss?  She's pooh pooh?  She's not an individual she's 'the clintons?' She's not his favorite person?  It was far from enlightening.  Frank, like Maureen, do best when they reveal little covered facts and worse when they inflict their junior high school popularity contest opinions.  Guess if Frank doesn't like her we need to read about it?  


by anna shane on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:27:15 PM EST
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Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (2.00 / 1)

IOKIYAO


by OtherLisa on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:04:31 PM EST

I give up. (none / 0)

What's it stand for?


by Mystylplx on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:21:42 PM EST
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Re: I give up. (none / 0)

It's OK if you are Obama.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 04:43:23 PM EST
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Re: cause Obama is the Chosen One (2.00 / 1)

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it's a setup for Hillary to take the
fall for the upcoming nasty nomination floor fight.
gonna be ugly as Obama as shown to willingly
play the race card.

how it's possible for superdelegates to
nominate Hillary without making it racial?
the meme now is for Hillary to give it up
for the good of party unity cause she is
the woman with the baggage.

Obama is the chosen one. look over there,
Hillary is the one with the baggage therefore direct all arrows at her.
only worshipful praises for the anointed one.


by toddy on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:08:50 PM EST

Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (none / 0)

The reason:  The two M's:  Monopoly, Media Consolidation

The media doesn't like anti-monopoly people in the white house.


by Sensible on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:12:19 PM EST

Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (none / 0)

Frank Rich is irrelevant.


by Sieglinde on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:16:14 PM EST

Frank Rich, Hillary and Barack: A Wee Comparison (none / 0)

The more I read the Diary, and really consider Barack and Hillary...here is the best comparison I can come up with...

We ALL agree that Al Gore is a great american and would have made a great President.  Right?

OK.  Hillary IS devisive and is trying to wield her considerable poll-tested pointed and well-concieved policy points...demonstrating her personal competence.  Barack is out there making known his postions and policies within a frame-work of personally tocuhiung narrative, demonstrative his leadership and ability to unify agianst a common foe.

Hillary = Al Gore circa 2000
Barack =  Al Gore circa 2008


by a gunslinger on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 05:27:38 PM EST

Looks like I found the Clinton whiners thread (none / 0)

After ya'll die, you'll get to spend eternity in hell with Obama supporters who whine about Krugman. Get over it!


by maxlongstreet on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:02:24 PM EST

Frank Rich, Ballet critic turned Propagandist. (none / 0)

Krugman is a Professor of Economics at Princeton. (Obama is not a Professor of anything, he is only a Lecturer.) Rich is a Ballet critic who got the job to be the theatre critic of the times (and nearly ruined Broadway). Eventually he became the culture critic and they are allowing him to write about Politics. Well, he acts like this is all one big show. Obama is putting on a better show. This is real life and he has now become a Propagandist. This was one unfair article about the Clintons. How can people be that one sided and still write for the New York Times. It goes beyond Opinion, it develops into real Propaganda.


by maxstar on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 06:55:05 PM EST

Re: Why is Frank Rich shilling for Obama? (none / 0)

Frank Rich has become unreadable in his pathological attacks on Hillary Clinton. It's so obviously personal that he has become an irrelevant joke. I used to enjoy his columns.

The interesting thing about Obama-supporters like Frank Rich: they NEVER say why Obama is so great that we should all be voting for him (should we vote for him because he has a good video by the Black Eyed Peas?); Obama supporters are only capable of false attacks on Senator Clinton.

I guess they think if they demonize her enough she will be defeated but the opposite is true: the more they vilify her, the angrier and more committed her supporters become.


by bayareavoter on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 07:56:03 PM EST

Gore hatred extends to the Clinton family (none / 0)

It's always the case:
Dowd, Rich, Herbert, Matthews.
by kingsbridge77 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 08:23:16 PM EST

My favorite part of the whole piece (2.00 / 1)

is where Rich criticizes Clinton for not having many African Americans in the audience.  That's like criticizing Duke University for not having many University of North Carolina fans in attendance at a basketball pre-game rally.

Rich's piece is outrageously anti-Clinton.  The column is only one step above what one might read on a Clinton hating web site.  The amazing thing about this campaign season is how all editorial responsibility and even-handedness have gone out the window when it has come to this contest.  One doesn't get to read anything even mildly anti-Obama (at least not in a major US paper --- although I have seen some negative articles from foreign press) but virulent anti-Clinton pieces like this one appear in the most established and respected news outlets.


by lombard on Sun Feb 10, 2008 at 08:46:21 PM EST


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