Obama Conceding California?

Earlier I mentioned some comments from Chuck Todd that implied that Obama's leaving California today while Clinton remains was a sign his campaign believes there's more to gain by going to other February 5th states than there is to lose by leaving the state to surrogates like Ted Kennedy, even if it means conceding California to Clinton. But has he really given up on California? Obama addressed the question at a press conference earlier today.

Today, Mr. Obama flew from California to begin the sprint to Super Tuesday, campaigning in New Mexico and Idaho, Minnesota and Missouri. In a news conference in Los Angeles, Mr. Obama was asked why it appeared he was giving up on California, which holds the largest trove of delegates. He smiled...and said: "We'll see. I don't share that view."

"I think this is going to be very competitive, but we've got 22 states," Mr. Obama said. "Just from a purely strategic perspective, I think everybody understands that if we are spending all of our time in one state and not spending time in the other 21, then that might not lead to the most delegates. And this is, frankly, a delegate race at this point."

The reason for his confidence just arrived in my inbox:

LOS ANGELES -- The Obama for America campaign today announced that Michelle Obama, Oprah Winfrey and Caroline Kennedy will hold a Get Out The Vote Rally this Sunday in Los Angeles .  The rally will be free and open to the public.  More details will be released when they become available.

Just as the Obama campaign has dispatched Kennedy and a stable of local hispanic leaders to campaign for Obama throughout California to try to undermine Hillary Clinton's strength among latinos, so is this Oprah event a blatant attempt to eat into Hillary's support among women.

Whether it will do what's intended is another story. When Oprah initially went on the campaign trail for Obama, she won universally rave reviews in the media but the consensus was that her endorsement itself wouldn't necessarily move voters, rather it would merely open the door to a whole universe of voters and it would be Obama's responsibility to win them over on his merits. At this point, does Obama still need that introduction? And isn't there a danger it could hurt rather than help? There was a lot of consternation on the message boards of Oprah's website at the time complaining that Oprah turned political and that she "turned it into a black thing," as though she broke some sacred trust with her fans. And my Mom's take I think was not atypical: Oprah is asking people to support Barack for the wrong reasons, namely simply because she said so.

I personally don't begrudge Oprah's advocacy on Obama's part for either of these reasons, and perhaps if there's any backlash it's against Oprah herself rather than against Obama, but it's something to look for. I'll be attending the Oprah event on Sunday and will, of course, report back from the ground.



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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

"Oprah is asking people to support Barack for the wrong reasons, namely simply because she said so."

Nothing against your Mom, but this is what Oprah does. That's her job. That's why she's so beloved and influential. This is why 'Oprah Picks' sell a million copies. The fact that she simply says so is a positive, I think, for most.


by BingoL on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:55:10 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

A book is not quite the same thing as a president and, I think, even the least politically interested among us recognize that.


by kristoph on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:01:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Shorter: she's vouching for his character.


by Callimaco on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:02:43 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Bingo!


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:06:36 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (2.00 / 1)

Actually she said "I'm not telling you what to think,  I am asking you to think, seriously"  She also said when you take away our race, ethnicity, color and sex we are Americans at our core.

When and how did Oprah make this a "black thing?"  When and how did she ask people to vote for Obama just because she said so?  To my ear she cited more substantive issues than Teddy Kennedy during his endorsement.


by Mocha Dem on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:39:33 PM EST
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Who campaigns on Super Bowl Sunday? (none / 0)

As I said before, it's almost the equivalent of campaigning on Christmas.

If I'm watching the game, I don't want people knocking on my door or calling my phone interupting a potentially big, game-changing play.

And yes, I know this event is targeted towards women, but I know a fairly large number of women who watch the Super Bowl.


by andrewalker08 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:58:44 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Every candidate is stretched pretty thin at the moment.  If Obama is pursuing a coherent strategy of seeking the best outcome he can based on delegates who am I to doubt him?  And he did say "We'll see. I don't share that view."  

Having said that I wish he could be in CA, NY and NJ 24/7 until the polls open.  It's one heckuva' race.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:59:43 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

On Sunday? You mean, Super Bowl Sunday?


by kristoph on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:59:57 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

hahahahha.  That is the WORST, most PATHETIC spin job I have ever seen!!!  Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Caroline Kennedy are holding a huge rally in LA.  This can only mean one thing.  Obama is conceding California!!!

I think you just broke the space-time continuum.


by pontificator on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:00:06 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

If the post argued that Obama is conceding California, you would have a great point, except it doesn't.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:07:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (1.00 / 1)

Its so funny to read the head on your post and then see your post, its umm laughable!
by inexile on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:40:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Some of you really need to grow up.  Well, a lot of you, really.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:54:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (2.00 / 1)

No really Steve I meant it was funny. I did not mean you were. Or that there was anything else to it. The article isn't an attack I wasn't saying that. Sorry if you felt attacked I wrote it wrong if you did. I meant just that it was funny to see the two together -- in this somewhat superheated pre super tuesday-what-can-I-do-to-stop/start/fini sh-help-feeling everyone has. Enjoy all, I got a feeling we're gonna get a trifecta -- WH, Congress and Senate this time, and it will set the course for a generation.
by inexile on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:37:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Ok, peace :)


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:22:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

California, and I lived there for 10 years, is about stars.  You see them in abundance.  People there are used to it, period.  Again, Caroline, Oprah, Michelle are powerful women in their own right.  Watch New York and California.  If Clinton loses NY, I expect a blowout from Obama team.  If not, this will be a tit for tat, delegate crunch game.  Also remember, I read that Obama has ads up in the races after super Tuesday, Clinton is not even doing that one.


by tracey webb on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:17:32 PM EST
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The Grateful Dead... (none / 0)

Concert for Obama on Monday in San Francisco can't hurt!  


by howardpark on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:00:54 PM EST

Re: The Grateful Dead... (none / 0)

You're kidding me?  That's pretty cool, got a link somewhere for that?


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:01:51 PM EST
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Re: The Grateful Dead... (none / 0)

Link here:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1C0040 41A7AA5C3F?artistid=1193394&majorcat id=10001&minorcatid=52


by pontificator on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:04:09 PM EST
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Re: The Grateful Dead... (none / 0)

That is so cool, thanks.  Sigh, sorry to have to miss that!  Memories...


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:08:49 PM EST
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Re: The Grateful Dead... (none / 0)

It Sold Out in 4 minutes.

Here is the Official Press Release from the Grateful Dead:

Here is word about the February 4 show at the Warfield.
Tickets will become available today at 5 PM local time.
For more information visit www.phillesh.net
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
>
>DEADHEADS FOR OBAMA AT THE WARFIELD JUST ANNOUNCED!
>
>DEADHEADS FOR OBAMA
>featuring
>BOB WEIR, MICKEY HART, PHIL LESH & FRIENDS
>The Warfield Theatre
>Monday, February 4, Doors 6:00 PM/ Show 7:30PM
>Tickets are $35.00 general admission (main floor) and
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>Deadheads for Obama
>
>Grateful Dead Members to Reunite for Barack Obama
>
>(San Francisco) Members of the Grateful Dead will host a get out the
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>Obama on Monday, February 4th at The Warfield Theatre in San
>Francisco.
>
>Mickey Hart, Phil Lesh, and Bob Weir, joined by Jackie Greene, John
>Molo, and Steve Molitz, will play a show together in support of
>Barack Obama.
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>leading into the crucial "Super- Tuesday" series of primaries held
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by howardpark on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:39:30 PM EST
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Re: The Grateful Dead... (none / 0)

Four minutes!  I'm not surprised, thanks for the post of the press release.  Wow...  This campaign of his has some amazing allies.  Have you seen this?  It's a pretty good song.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:02:06 PM EST
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Re: The Grateful Dead... (none / 0)

Seriously?

That is your response?

You've officially turned the corner.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:32:40 PM EST
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Oprah was key in South Carolina (1.00 / 1)

Oprah was critical for Obama in South Carolina. She turned the race into black versus white, a theme that Obama solidified by quoting Malcolm X and his "bamboozled and hoodwinked" anti-white racist code rants in his stump speeches.


by hwc on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:03:13 PM EST

Re: Oprah was key in South Carolina (none / 0)

Yeah Oprah's real militant! I saw her at a Nation of Islam meeting eating white and jewish babies.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:22:34 PM EST
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Re: Oprah was key in South Carolina (none / 0)

I love you spinning the racism argument...it is really cute... nevermind the fact that both candidates would probably tell you to shut up.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:35:55 PM EST
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Re: Oprah was key in South Carolina (none / 0)

Wow.  Oprah gave an inspirational political speech, but now you blame HER for making it a race game?  The Clintons OWN that one.  The Clintons started that game and look what happened?  It imploded on them.  The Kennedys came out and stopped that shit from The Clintons.  The Kennedys devastated The Clintons.  Of course, you would blame Obama for all of this, but The Clintons own that disaster and the establishment LET THEM KNOW IT.


by tracey webb on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:21:48 PM EST
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Re: Oprah was key in South Carolina (none / 0)

Imploded? You're funny. Hillary sacrificed SC and left early, just as Obama is sacrificing California.


by souvarine on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:28:56 PM EST
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Re: Oprah was key in South Carolina (none / 0)

Lord knows you can never go wrong citing to the establishment narrative.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:23:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Adding the LA Times and Oakland Tribune endorsements today Obama has made a clean sweep of every major newspaper in California from LA to SF including: the San Francisco Chronicle, the San Francisco Bay Guardian, the San Jose Mercury, the Sacramento Bee, the Modesto Bee, Santa Cruz Sentinal, and the Santa Barbara Independent.


by Piuma on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:06:25 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Wow, they'll be calling that the 'full Obama' in future elections.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:10:22 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Is the title sarcastic or what?  Where is the argument made that Obama is conceding California?

It has been ages since I have frequented this site, but things have gotten pretty bad.  Is every front page poster here a shill for the Clinton campaign or what?


by asearchforreason on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:16:20 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Your posts are really lacking and are getting insulting.  "A Black Thing"?  why would you even repeat such garbage?  I demand an apology.  Now!


by Todd Bennett on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:18:40 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (1.00 / 2)

I READ IT AND IT IS NOT PRO OBAMA!  It is racist concern trolling.


by Todd Bennett on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:26:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Um...there is nothing racist about the post...cool your jets.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:37:59 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Not you, I mean Beeton.


by Todd Bennett on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:45:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (2.00 / 1)

¿Que?  Gotta' take issue with that, I'm afraid.  None of the front-page poster bashing makes any sense to me.  It's Jerome's site and he can post what he wants, as for the others they seem pretty even-handed to me over time.  It would be boring if they never had any actual thoughts of their own, right or wrong.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:12:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Gov. Doug Wilder, FYI, has endorsed Obama and I'll bet that turnout in Richmond is off the charts Sept. 12!


by howardpark on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:49:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

It is a question mark meant to address the assertion from earlier today that Obama might be conceding there.  It is not "sarcastic" but is meant to question that assertion.


by rcipw on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:34:51 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Sheesh. If she supported HRC it would be because she's a woman. She's can't win.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:21:44 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

So she's more black that she is a woman?


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:27:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

* than she is


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:27:15 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (2.00 / 1)

I looked for an Oprah -> JJ endorsement but don't see it. Got a link?


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:29:41 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (2.00 / 1)

Ok. Got a link?


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:45:50 PM EST
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Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

Unless Obama has more delegates and then the media will play that up.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:28:06 PM EST

Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

You say that "the media will play that up" as though it shouldn't matter. Let me clue you in: primary campaigns are about winning delegates.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:51:35 PM EST
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Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

Ok.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:54:55 PM EST
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Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

Since Obama is running a delegate race he is set in CA. The weird disproportional awarding of delegates allow a candidate to get a higher percentage of delegates than votes. The amount of early voting probably puts a cap on what he can get. He would probably be happy with 45% of the vote in CA. In a traditional election that would be a 10% humiliating blowout loss but he is counting delegates.

Personally I think it is a wrong strategy. If maintains the delegate lead but falls further behind in the popular vote he will be seen as gaming the system. People are already seeing him a bit as a tool of the party bosses. The worst thing for the party is for someone to get a minority of the vote but emerge as the candidate. I can already see political cartoons with smoke-filled rooms and a bunch of Richie Daleys and Tony Rezkos calling the shots.


by ineedalife on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:40:55 PM EST

Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

He'll be seen as gaming the system for trying to get the delegates he needs to win the nomination?

Whats next ignoring the electoral college in the general election?


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:56:13 PM EST
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Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

If only.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:14:27 PM EST
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Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

Yeah well as nice as it is to be idealistic maybe we ought to focus on the winning in the world we actually live in rather than ranting about changing it... not much you can accomplish standing on the sidelines.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:18:22 PM EST
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Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

???  I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, the odds of which I put at about a million to 1.


by rfahey22 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:44:29 PM EST
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Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

that makes zero sense. to argue that somehow obama machine supporters rigged the system. especially when it is the clintn led dnc that propogates these rules.


by highgrade on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:10:53 PM EST
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Re: California Dreaming (none / 0)

Clinton led DNC?  That is a good one.  Howard Dean runs the DNC, and he is no friend of Clinton.


by ocli on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:18:51 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

"Oprah is asking people to support Barack for the wrong reasons, namely simply because she said so."

Well, she didn't do that. She gave a lot of standard reasons related to his record, character, and unique identity.

But in any case, the Oprah mania angle to her support of him is really stale. At this point this is just another surrogate rally--in a place where one where one of the headliners has millions of viewers each day.

And it doesn't hurt to have the "the Second Most Admired Woman in the World" campaigning for you, hand in hand with your greatly admired wife and the daughter of a legendary Most Admired Woman in the World, against this year's Most Admired Woman in the World.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/103462/Hillar y-Edges-Oprah-Most-Admired-Woman-07.aspx #1

That's Hollywood.


by along on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:43:56 PM EST

Voter Registration (2.00 / 1)

700,000 new voters have been added to California's rolls, with 240,000 having registered since December alone.  And among new registrants, Democrats outnumber Republicans by a margin of four to one. This has to bode well for Obama since voter registration has been a major focus of his campaign going all the way back to his Walk for Change.

And in other news, it is now being reported that out of the 32 million raised in January, 28 million of that was raised online.  88%! And of those 90% were donations less than $100, 40% were $25 or less.


by Piuma on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:49:20 PM EST

Better Question: Why is HRC still in California? (none / 0)

Bottom line is California was supposed to Hillary Clinton's state. It was supposed to be part of her base. But if a state is part of your base then you shouldn't have to camp out in that state for - what is it now - 48 hours in the days leading up to the primary. You should be off to other states trying to expand that base. But Clinton is still here and she'll be until tomorrow. So you've got it completely backwards if you're asking if Obama is conceding California. The real question is what does it say about Hillary Clinton's campaign that she's still campaigning in California? She should not have to be here at this point.


by Callimaco on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:50:24 PM EST

Re: Better Question: Why is HRC still in Californi (none / 0)

Very good point. And she's also spending valuable money in NY/NJ. The pundits on Hardball were just now saying that it is a strategy based on strength, that she is trying to "run up the numbers." I think it's the total opposite: it's a sign of weakness, and she's trying to stop the bleeding.


by along on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:55:21 PM EST
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Re: Better Question: Why is HRC still in Californi (none / 0)

And she spent more in Q4 2007 than she received.  SHe had $37M cash-on-hand at the start of January.  How much of that is left or offset by donations, I'm wondering?  Among her maxed-out donors, eh?

If you Hillary supporters really want to support her candidacy I'm guessing she could really use the dosh.  Ad buys in 12 states to Obama's 20?  What does that tell you?


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:17:39 PM EST
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Re: Better Question: Why is HRC still in Californi (none / 0)

That his ad buyer Axelrod works on commission.


by souvarine on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:20:13 PM EST
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California (none / 0)

She is probably staying in CA because it has more delegates than the 12 smallest Feb 5th states combined. Or, for that matter, all of the states Obama plans to visit in the next few days.


by souvarine on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:25:44 PM EST
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Re: California (none / 0)

that's exactly the weak point in her strategy. she desperately wants a big popular vote victory in CA--let's say 55-45%. And she may get it. But that will still only mean roughly a 35-40 delegate advantage.

If Obama can win in lets say 8 of those 12 smallest states, and keep the bigger tossup states close, he can erase that CA deficit. And the more he is in those other states, and generally seen to be on offense across the country, the greater likelihood he has of  raising his numbers across the board. She can't do that spending 2-3 days in CA.


by along on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:44:46 PM EST
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Re: Better Question: Why is HRC still in Californi (none / 0)

How far ahead was HRC 2 months ago?


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:39:00 PM EST
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Re: Better Question: Why is HRC still in Californi (none / 0)

You had no idea that she had a monster lead in California until recently?


by rfahey22 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:41:14 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

It can be hard to tell the difference between trying "running up your numbers" and "keeping up your numbers". The reality is she's doing the latter. Obama made huge inroads in California and New York and New Jersey and that forced Hillary to play defense instead of going on offense elsewhere.


by Callimaco on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:59:06 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

The Ted Kennedy / Piolin radio show appearance could be a huge blow to Clinton's chances in California.  The DJ has the most listened to show in the nation period.  Bigger than Howard Stern.  He has shown with the Immigration marches the political power and mobilization the show can create.  And he had Teddy Kennedy on making the point only two Senators marched with the Immigrants - himself and Barack Obama.  That wedged in between numerous songs he sang.


by Piuma on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:09:07 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

I don't know exactly what went down, but Piolin could convince more people than the UFW.


by Piuma on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:15:28 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Piolin has real influence. If he gets ahold of HRC's immigration position that she's talking about on the trail (remove due process from immigrants who committed a crime) she's toast.


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:25:05 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

Oprah should have learned her lesson the first time around, but I guess she won't be happy until she alienates a few thousand more viewers and tarnishes her image a bit more.


by musicpvm on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:11:19 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

If she believes in Obama, then she won't be afraid of "tarnishing her image."  That's not who she is.


by Drummond on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:39:04 PM EST
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Obama - California? (none / 0)

I think that a lot of people misunderstand the value of endorsements.  A vote of confidence in Obama from someone like Ted Kennedy doesn't mean that a bunch of Democratic voters are going to automatically fall in line behind Obama just because Uncle Teddy urges them in that direction.  Endorsements contribute to the general ambience, the sense of momentum, and they enhance the aura of the candidate.  An endorsement from someone of prominence makes it easier to get the next endorsement, and there is a snowball effect.  Endorsements also increase the fundraising ability of a candidate, as his/her candidacy is deemed more viable.


by global yokel on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:11:48 PM EST

bandwagon! (none / 0)

Good luck with that.


by souvarine on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:15:02 PM EST
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a big Obama supporter at Bleeding Heartland (none / 0)

was lamenting last week, "Where's Oprah?" He or she is convinced that Oprah was critical to Obama closing the gap among women in Iowa, and that Oprah will be needed for Obama to do well on Super Tuesday:

http://www.bleedingheartland.com/showDia ry.do?diaryId=932


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:20:27 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (none / 0)

It's being done the right way.  Three very dynamic women in a rally for women while many of the men are waiting for the Superbowl.


by Drummond on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:37:27 PM EST

three dynamic women? (none / 0)

I can buy that Oprah is "dynamic." But I don't see how Caroline Kennedy or Michelle Obama fit the bill.


by freemansfarm on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:51:29 PM EST
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Re: Obama Conceding California? (2.00 / 1)

It's just a little sexist to think that all the women folk are just waiting for Oprah and Michelle to save them from their men and the dreaded superbowl.

Every woman I know plans on watching the pre-game and the game.


by americanincanada on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:54:28 PM EST

Re: Obama Conceding California? (2.00 / 1)

It's almost sad the way you guys read everything that Hillary does as a sign of panic and bleeding and everything Obama does as a sign of impending triumph. It is quite childlike.


by cc on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:55:38 PM EST

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My daughter who lives in CA's reaction. Oprah just reinforces this is a black thing and it's almost an insult to the intelligence that Oprah shows up and tells women what to do. I'm sure all the male supporters of Obama commenting here know better of course and maybe there are a lot of week minded women who are going to fall over because Oprah shows up. And who knows they may be right. We'll just have to see.      


by ottovbvs on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:13:36 PM EST

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What black thing?


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:15:42 PM EST
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Sorry. Let me rephrase.

What's a black thing?


by illlaw1 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:30:06 PM EST
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Actually ottobv, whatever Oprah does seems to have worked for Iowa. And yes there are many who love Oprah and live on her every word. I still think she helped Schwarzennegar with his hate-filled campaign against Gray Davis. Personally I'm sick about it because she is the media master and has the billions and power to prove it.


by India on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:11:13 PM EST
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So...I guess people who have endorsed Hillary are insulting everybody else's intelligence by telling them what to do?  Oprah is a female pied piper?

This campaign has certainly revealed a lot about the people supporting the Democratic candidates, not all of it flattering.


by rfahey22 on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:31:08 PM EST
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According to the LA Times, Obama is specifically targeting congressional districts with an odd number of delegates.  In districts with four delegates, it doesn't matter if you have 38% or 62% of the vote, you split the delegates from that district.  However, in districts with three or five delegates, the person who has more than 50.1% of the delegates gets the extra delegate.

By the way, I've heard the Clinton campaigns internal polling is showing the race in California getting tighter.


by tlsmith on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:35:44 PM EST

Oprah! (none / 0)

I absolutely guarantee you that California women will change their minds about voting for the first woman presidential candidate that can win if they can spend an afternoon with Oprah Winfrey and Caroline Kennedy.

Exactly how stupid do you think women are?


by cc on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 10:53:02 PM EST

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Just go to the Rally on Sunday, Feb 3.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/michell ela

GOTV Rally with Michelle Obama, Ms. Oprah Winfrey, and Caroline Kennedy
Sunday, February 3
Pauley Pavilion
UCLA
301 Westwood Plaza
Los Angeles, CA 90095
Doors Open: 11:30AM


by riverred on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 11:21:48 AM EST

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I do not think Oprah will hurt Obama in Ca. It will mainly whip up enthusiasm for voters already fired up for obama. Little GOTV effort.

I am sure that HRC would be using everyone she could get also to appear for her.

Michelle and Caroline may sway more voters than Oprah.
Bottom line...it will be over before the Super bowl starts so a few men may even show up.


by hawkjt on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 12:48:10 PM EST

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Most superbowl pre-game shows start at 11am. I have a few friends who are attending parties that early.


by americanincanada on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 05:38:44 PM EST


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