Hillary at State

In spite of the somewhat puerile and inflammatory reporting of every little ebb and flow of the protracted negotiations surrounding Senator Clinton's imminent appointment as Secretary of State it seems the main actors in this unfolding development, Obama, Hillary and Bill, have conducted their respective roles with sobriety, meticulous attention to detail and unflinching good will which is at once apparently 'out of character' and yet indicative of a serious common purpose.

And while we are presented with commentary, much of it dissenting, from both the Obama and Clinton camps, it seems increasingly clear that the 'political' aspects to this unexpected appointment are not the motivation nor the cause of the lengthy deliberations in this process.

Here is a possible scenario which refutes or avoids most of the 'pros and cons' being debated publicly on the subject, and while it draws a long bow it has some inherent logic which may go a long way to explain both the motivations and issues surrounding this otherwise counter-intuitive offer.  It is premised on the following assumptions, that:


1.  Unravelling the Gordian Knot of a durable and lasting Israeli/Palestinian settlement is the key to resolving the global conflict between Islamic militancy and the worldwide trend toward liberal democracy.

2.  The differences between Senator Obama's and Senator Clinton's foreign policy, and that of their respective camps, while seeming to lose their distinctions in the posturing of the latter stages of the primary campaign are genuine and represent a clear schism in Democratic policy.

3.  The conservative hard-line positions and concerns of the Israeli right and AIPAC, which arguably has a disproportionate influence in both nations with which it is affiliated, must be assuaged and that only trusted actors would be acceptable to achieve a serious and permanent settlement

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that a Israeli/Palestinian solution is at the heart of this appointment there could be a powerful pressure brought to bear on Israel with Hillary's bona fides as a relatively conservative but powerful voice for American constituencies who might come to understand that a settlement there is our best chance to a successful prosecution of the 'war' on terrorism, as Hendirk Hertzberg notes:


The team of Barack "Grandpa Was a Muslim" Obama, Hillary "I'm a Clinton" Clinton, and Rahm "Israel" Emanuel (that's his real middle name! and he was a volunteer with the I.D.F. during the 1991 Gulf War!), with Joe Biden and Bill Clinton pitching in as necessary, would put the new Administration in an extremely powerful position to apply the kind of pressure that would give Israeli politicians the political cover they need to reach a settlement with the Palestinians. Everyone knows what the deal would look like, including Ehud Olmert. It's a question of having the political strength and exerting the will to make it happen.

Of course, the path could get awfully bumpy if the Palestinians can't manage to get their act together, and if, as seems probable, Bibi Netanyahu wins the next Israeli election. On the other hand, a settlement to which Bibi was a party would likely be as durable as Menachem Begin's peace treaty with Egypt.

Hendirk Hertzberg - The 'A' Team The New Yorker 20 Nov 08

One might further assume that that this overarching policy initiative was part of the challenging offer formally made to Hillary from the outset and that the conditions for her appointment include agreement that this is a prize for which the setting aside of 'political' considerations is worthwhile and that the uniting of their respective reputations and political allegiances in common cause pays significant dividends.  It may even be argued that neither could achieve such an ambitious outcome without the other.

In this context much of the speculation, leaked opinions and mundane political machinations publicly aired in the past week seem petty and unimportant.  One can easily understand the difficult choice presented to Hillary and admire her for rising to the occasion, along with her husband, to take the opportunity presented to genuinely share the accomplishment, clearly on her own merits, of such a momentous objective.

And while this is clearly supposition it does seem consistent with President-elect Obama's long standing theme of putting aside 'old' politics in the interest of pragmatic solutions to the challenges facing the US and resolving them for our mutual benefit using all the myriad resources at our disposal, irrespective of partisan positions, mundane ambitions and ideologies.

While there is little direct evidence that this scenario is the driver for Hillary's appointment it is an idea being discussed across the partisan divide:


The new secretary of state should plan on giving two speeches almost right away: One to the Palestinian parliament (or even better, to the Arab League) explaining exactly why most Americans tend to side with Israel. It should be, in essence, a speech that justifies the original Zionist idea. Then, the secretary of state should speak to the Israeli Knesset, and lay out, in very clear terms, the U.S. vision for Israel's borders, and talk very specifically about the need to bring about the end of the settlement project, and the birth of a viable Palestinian state -- and to speak of that birth as a direct American national security interest (and a direct national security interest of the State of Israel). Neither speech will be popular, of course, which is the point. But the hope is that these speeches, which would lay out in very specific terms the way things must be to ensure the survival of both the Israelis and the Palestinians, will shock the two peoples into an awareness of reality.

Jeffrey Goldberg - Hillary's Middle East Understanding, and Mickey's Dissent The Atlantic 21 Nov 08

Or, to put it more bluntly:


I do think that the Clinton appointment will ultimately come down to the Israel-Palestine question. And Clinton enables Obama to overcome unnecessary resistance and paranoia from the Israeli right. She credentializes him with Israelis and American Jews - which will help build support for a sustainable compromise before it is too late for the Jewish state.

Andrew Sullivan - Credibility In Israel The Atlantic 21 Nov 08

While some may not be so sanguine on Hillary's actual foreign policy experience, or 'awesomeness,' it is apparent that she represents the more hawkish 'commitment to Israel is unshakable' school of the dominant party in US politics, with the genuinely experienced proponents of that position aligned behind her, and any pressure she might bring to bear on the Right in Israel will be seen, perhaps, as a 'tough love' choice for them:


There are a number of reasons for [Binyamin Netanyahu, presumed next Prime Minister of Israel] to opt for continuing negotiations. The concept of a two-state solution - a Jewish, democratic State of Israel living in peace and security alongside an independent, economically viable Palestinian state - has the backing of a large segment of Israel's population, including many Likud supporters. That concept, however, is disappearing before our eyes. It cannot be postponed indefinitely. The alternative - a one-state solution for two peoples - is infinitely worse, while a solution to the Palestinian problem through Jordan, which many from Israel's right wing have espoused, is adamantly rejected by the Jordanians who believe it would endanger the Hashemite Kingdom.

Moreover, Netanyahu or whoever else becomes our next prime minister will have to take into account the fact that the new administration in the United States will be pushing for an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and will be rooting for a two-state solution.

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Obama made it clear that ending the Arab-Israeli conflict is a vital foreign policy postulate for the US. "What I think can change is the ability of the United States government and a United States president to be actively engaged with the peace process and to be concerned and recognize the legitimate difficulties that the Palestinian people are experiencing right now," he declared in a speech in Amman. "And so, you know, my goal is to make sure that we work, starting from the minute I'm sworn into office, to try to find some breakthroughs," he continued.

"Starting from the minute I'm sworn into office" is a heady statement. He also said that he would take an active role and make a personal commitment to do all he could to do advance the cause of peace "from the start of my administration."

David Kimche - Why Bibi may have to do a Tzipi The Jerusalem Post 20 Nov 08

'From the start of my administration...'  Commencing, it seems, with a controversial but quite possibly brilliant appointment to the position of Secretary of State.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.



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brilliant? (2.00 / 1)

shaun - why the 180?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 08:17:34 PM EST

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I thought the diary kinda' explained it.  If this is where we are headed I'm all for it.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 08:28:05 PM EST
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I saw a comment just now on another site that put it all in focus for me politically. Why would Hillary leave the Senate for Secretary of State? Why would that be tempting? Because she would be the one that brokers the Arab/Israeli peace. That's worth a Nobel prize and a permanent place in history.

It was always a smart idea to put a Clinton as a public international face, but it wasn't completely clear to me why she would do it and what her motivations would be... until now.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 08:48:09 AM EST
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Shit, no wonder Bill would bend over backwards!!


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 08:48:48 AM EST
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Herman Melville could have written this. (2.00 / 1)

Obama/Clinton = Captain Ahab
Israel/Palestinian permanent peace = Moby Dick

I can't see why the Clintons would be eager to be the ones to tackle such an intransigent problem.  The history of this is that even temporary spikes of hope become victim of emerging developments on the ground.  And we can expect a lot of those in the coming years.  In light of the facts of the growing world economic problems, oil price instability, Netanyahu returning to power and Likud resurgence, and the unpredictable nature of events after we leave Iraq, this is a not very promising mess.  There is no question we need expert help to at least try to fix it, but that doesn't mean it's tempting in any way.  

I also disagree with the whole premise that we need to coddle AIPAC even further in order to reach an agreement.  AIPAC has become the neocon spawning ground, and it's unlikely anything will be satisfactory to them.  As we have seen in the past, including under Bill Clinton and Netanyahu back in 1999, any agreement that is satisfactory to the Palestinians is by default unacceptable to AIPAC, and vice-versa.

I think a less ambitious policy with regards to the whole middle east is a better one.  We can start by not giving a blank check of approval to Israel to raid Palestinians and invade their neighbors, as Bush and the neocons did.  There are other factions in Israel (and in Jewish America) eager for us to intervene and help negotiate a peace settlement, but further enabling of the hardcore right in Israel prevents them from coming to the fore.  


by Dumbo on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 12:05:17 PM EST
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Re: Herman Melville could have written this. (2.00 / 1)

It's not about coddling AIPAC but co-opting them.  And since when was 'If it's broke, don't fix it' a winning strategy.  I think we have a lot to gain here and it could go a long way to improving our position in other regions.  We have a serious challenge emerging in Pakistan over the next few years which is going to require a carefully crafted and strategic approach.  This is just one part of the puzzle but perhaps a vital one.


"I will have no man in my boat," said Starbuck, "who is not afraid of a whale."

Herman Melville - Moby Dick


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 03:44:18 PM EST
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Now that Shaun has done a 180, I can't resist sharing this quote I just came across.

"The differences between Clinton and Obama were always exaggerated."

Now, guess who just said that yesterday?  Hard to believe.


by markjay on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 04:15:56 PM EST
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Re: brilliant? (none / 0)

thank you for making me LOL.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 04:22:30 PM EST
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If Obama (not Hillary) could pull this off, a IP peace agreement based on two states soon after his inauguration, it would change the world dramatically. It would be the key to a new age in American foreign policy. But, can it happen?


by MainStreet on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 08:24:11 PM EST

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I don't know about the 'soon after his inauguration part' but it seems clear he has always intended to start as soon as he had the authority.  The 'two state' solution is seen by some in the foreign policy world as the linchpin for many of the other issues confronting us in Syria, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan.  And as for the timing:


Dan Kurtzer, a religious Jew who was formerly the United States ambassador in Israel, together with Scott Lasensky recently published a book titled Negotiating Arab-Israeli Peace: American Leadership in the Middle East. The book reveals "an alarming pattern of mismanaged diplomacy."

The authors spell out 10 lessons that can be learned from the past mistakes and end their book with recommendations for future administrations. "Don't waste time," they implore. "Prioritize the Arab-Israeli peace process," "make it clear in your first presidential address that the process is high on your agenda," and "get your team to develop an end of conflict strategy."

David Kimche - Why Bibi may have to do a Tzipi The Jerusalem Post 20 Nov 08

As for 'can it happen?'  That is the $64k question, I'm guessing that might have been part of Hillary's sober consideration over the past few days.  Who knows?


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 08:38:56 PM EST
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I picked Obama to start the ball rolling rather than Hillary, who has had a longer history of complying with AIPAC wants. AIPAC is now solidly in the Likud camp, which means no Palestinian state, no two state solution.

We've never heard a statement from Hillary about the road to peace in the Middle East along the lines of two peoples sharing this land.


by MainStreet on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 08:55:09 PM EST
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Well, assuming this whole line of thinking has merit, that's probably why it will take both of them to achieve it.  I think it's pretty clear that US policy, such as it is, comes down on the side of a 'two-state' solution but given the obstacles everyone has tacitly agreed to do nothing about it.

With Hillary on-board promoting a 'two-state' solution at least the hard-wing Right in Israel has an unequivocal ally in the process.  I am taking at face value the claim that, 'The concept of a two-state solution has the backing of a large segment of Israel's population, including many Likud supporters.'  But that is entirely consistent with what we have seen of the internal debate on this issue in Israel in recent years.

At this point it seems clear that Israel's long-term interests are best served by a durable and lasting peace.  More significantly, perhaps, so are ours.  Getting there is the trick.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 09:04:08 PM EST
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Just For the Record (2.00 / 2)

I found this in Haaretz on a statement from Hillary about the road to peace in the Middle East:


Clinton has stressed the need for Arab-Israeli peace, but is considered a favorite of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States.

She has said the fundamentals are a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank in return for a declaration that the conflict is over, recognition of Israel's right to exist, guarantees of Israeli security, diplomatic recognition of Israel and normalization of its relations with Arab states.

"U.S. diplomacy is critical in helping to resolve this conflict," she said in her article in Foreign Affairs in November-December 2007. She said the United States should help get Arab support for a Palestinian leadership that is willing to engage in a dialogue with the Israelis.

Report: Hillary Clinton accepts U.S. secretary of state post Haaretz 21 Nov 08

No matter how much pro-Israeli rhetoric surrounds it, there it is.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 09:15:42 PM EST
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The dialogue has been available for decades, and the countries represented by the Arab League have since 2002 guaranteed Israel's acceptance and security in return for a two state solution based on international law.

I think the problem is rather within Israel and in spite of what the polls say, the Likud party is likely to gain the reigns in Israel shortly after Obama is inaugurated, and that itself will happen through an election.

You can lead a horse to water but....as the old saying goes.


by MainStreet on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 10:45:57 PM EST
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Yes, we agree.  And the assumption that the reluctance is currently mainly with Israel is the what seems to make an indisputably pro-Israel arm-twister like Hillary such an asset.  As the Jerusalem Post opinion piece cited above posits even Bibi might need to make such an accommodation and, in fact, it may be all the more durable as a consequence.

If Hillary isn't prepared to pressure Israel toward a 'two state' solution there seems little point in her taking the position, but it was part of her stated platform.


by Shaun Appleby on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 11:20:56 PM EST
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(Replying to both you and MainStreet),

Yes, there is a problem within Israel, but I don't agree that that is the sole problem.  It's hard for me to believe, for example, that Hamas would agree to the kind of 2-state solution that is being discussed, and the Abbas government does not necessarily have the political strength to oppose such an agreement over the hostile opposition of Hamas.

I'm not saying that an agreement is impossible--I'm just saying that, for it to happen, a lot of arm-twisting on both sides is going to have to happen.


by markjay on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 02:33:08 AM EST
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Certainly Hamas is a problem.  And yes arm-twisting will be required on both sides.  But it could be argued that the intransigent Israeli position exacerbated the conflict which led to the Hamas split in the first instance, although I'm not suggesting this was the first or only factor.

And there are no doubt other problems which will emerge when we reverse the current 'benign neglect' attitude toward an Israeli/Palestinian settlement.  And all will need to be addressed in due course.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 02:47:38 AM EST
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hamas got elected as anti-corruption (2.00 / 1)

purely an internal matter, and NOT something they had wanted to win. They looked just as baffled as we were, that they had.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 12:32:47 PM EST
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Israel must stop taking more and more land and stop sending more and more settlers into the Palestinian territories, something no Israeli PM has done except for a brief period during the Rabin administration. And it must acknowledge the right of the Palestinians to exist and to a country of their own, Palestine, something Israel has yet to do. This commitment is pretty basic to sitting down and making peace.

Hamas is actually a minority party, an organization created to fight the military occupation, and not an excuse to avoid negotiating peace.

The Palestinians want to sit down and negotiate a two state solution; Israel just doesn't seem intrested. Its colonial actions actually say that it is interested in something else. You can actually buy West Bank land in New York and New Jersey, today.


by MainStreet on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 06:58:48 AM EST
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The Israelis trust her, from experience, and since they'll be called on to make concessions, that will help the administration show that these concessions are in the best interest of all parties.  This will not be an easy task, but it's just one of the not easy tasks a working SOS will be faced with.  

I love the way the papers are reporting on Barack's selections.  David Brooks admittedly has a soft spot for the highly educated, but he did state it well in his column.  

Somehow some had the idea that new meant out with the old. Guess it's too counter-intuitive to see that it means governing responsibly, putting the work ahead of the hype. It's for sure new, and damn refreshing.  


just say it: Medicare for All
by anna shane on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 08:33:03 PM EST

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Best damned Hillary/Obama Diary EVER! This is the MyDD I signed up for. Mojo for all!


1st Law of Obamadynamics: For every action, there is a greater than equal criticism. In advance.
by QTG on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 06:48:42 AM EST

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1st Law of Obamadynamics: For every action, there is a greater than equal criticism. In advance.
by QTG on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 06:49:37 AM EST

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Shaun, excellent as always and an interesting follow-up discussion.  One aspect of the Hillary selection which I think has been overlooked a bit is Bill's role.  For all the reasons which have made the vetting process so difficult, and un-checked Bill was a difficult resource to utilize. But with him now curtailing his conflicts of interests, Barack can use him more frequently and to better purpose.  The incentive of a possible Noble prize down the road and etching her name firmly into the annals of History is an excellent point for why Hillary would choose to do it, as well as Bill as this certainly would help put his legacy back on the footing he seeks.  But putting aside all the ego-Clinton reasons, with a reined in Bill Obama is free to simultaneously send Hillary into the Palestinian conflict and Bill into the India-Pakistan-Kashmir mess, taking on what are probably the two most dangerous conflicts threatening World Peace from day one.  

I think too much has been made of the Rival part of the Obama selections and not enough of the Team.  To keep it in the sports metaphor, Coach Obama realizes he has a very deep bench and he's going to utilize it to its fullest.  The worry that there won't be enough minutes to go around is never a concern if you're winning and this a team built to win.  To shift Hillary away from Health Care, where we've got it covered with Daschle and Kennedy, to State where she can fully utilize the Clinton name and prestige is really a brilliant maneuver.  And as we are seeing with shifting Richardson to Commerce and potentially Summers to Federal Reserve, Obama is not choosing between people but rather calling all hands on deck.  I'm really eager to see his energy-environment-green jobs construct.  


by Piuma on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 09:34:26 AM EST

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Just as long as Bill stays out of her hair and minds his own business. For his role in the "peace" effort while he was president, most Palestinians believe he did more to damage the prospects for peace than any other president to date, even Georgie boy. I won't go into the details. However, if Hillary takes Bill's approach, middle east peace will not occur during the Obama administration.


by MainStreet on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 11:39:44 AM EST
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Would you care to elaborate?  I'm not saying I disagree but would be interested in your point of view on this.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 03:35:56 PM EST
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That Bill Clinton more than any other president did more to kill the prospects for peace is the opinion of many Middle East observers. No one doesn't know that the greatest impediment to peace are the hundreds of Israeli settlements, the domicile of perhaps close to a half million Israeli settlers today, in the Palestinian territories. During the Clinton administration, under the Oslo Accords, the number of settlers in the Palestinian territories doubled. Clinton said nothing. Clinton, then coupled with Dennis Ross, pulled together a no-go peace negotiation at Camp David and Taba, which they knew could never fly, and then blamed Arafat for not accepting the phony "generous offer" that never was. Etc etc. I don't recall all of the other antipeace actions of Clinton.

But much of the current difficulties are laid by Palestinians at Clinton's feet.


by MainStreet on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 06:08:22 PM EST
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Hmmm, I always thought it was Arafat. Which is why Hamas came to power. While Arafat was the only game in town for the Palestinians - and therefore all they had - his corruption knew no bounds. And was common knowledge, the Palestinians read newspapers too and the math simply did not add up. (Where was the money going?)

Look, I'm not for any other country dictating US policy. Israel or anyone else.

As for Bill Clinton, he is no less than a saint in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
(There may be a small group or Unionists that disagree but their numbers are neglible.)
To me the biggest stain on his presidency was Rwanda. He unfortunately agreed with with Rice and Lake and did not act.


by durendal on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 06:44:00 PM EST
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"Hmmm, I always thought it was Arafat."

That was certainly the line that everyone was expected to believe: "the generous offer" and he walked away from it. It was pure nonsense. Barak was unable to remove a single settlement from the West Bank or elsewhere in the Palestinian territories and he later admitted it. The blame on Arafat was a concoction of Dennis Ross, with Clinton complicity.

Rwanda was undoubtedly a terrible mistake that CLinton later admitted to.

Hamas had existed since 1987 when it came into being. Because the PLO was talking peace (and this is not cynicism), Israel provided it support, although as an organization it was a minority group within Palestinian society and remains so today. Fatah was corrupt while Hamas was humanistic, providing social and medical services to ordinary people.

The Hate Hamas line or Hamas is a terrorist group is nothing more than propaganda intended to help Israel avoid peace initiatives while it continued its colonization activity in the Palestinian territories. What is it, 50% that they now control?

Greater Israel here we come.


by MainStreet on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 08:04:30 PM EST
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MainStreet,
I assure you I don't buy the Israel good/ Palestine/Hamas bad line. Nor do I buy into all things Arab = good, either. I neither lionize nor demonize either side. And I can see where you could have drawn that conclusion from me from my post.  

Palestine has suffered tremendously and it's draining of intellectuals and professionals has been devastating to what infrastructure they had and have. And this didn't happen overnight.

I don't condone the killing of innocents - no matter who does it. It is expressly forbidden in the Koran.

History has shown all too well the oldest ethic - the strong do what they will and the weak accept what they must-is as prevalent as ever. It is time to get past that mindset. We'll see.


by durendal on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 10:07:16 PM EST
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My view (none / 0)

We've only had a few glimpses of the essential character and humanity of Lady Clinton. The majority of her time before us , she uses years of her training in the legal arts to apply a sort of poker face that really is off-putting and her drive to the center on so many issues (ex. the gas tax holiday, her support for the war in Iraq, and the silly legislation tagging the Iranian guard as terrorists - the "who would you trust at 3 am in the morning " proto republican advertising, etc.).... all of this is emminence front.

What I gather, however, is that Obama met with Bill Richardson, and a few others, and then suddenly in walked this actual human being, who is very much at ease in the corridors of power - and has a natural skill not unlike her husbands, but her own. From a time when our white house was a place of diplomatic accomplishment. Hillary is a very, very powerful presence.

And in an odd way, I see this also as a kind of commitment to implement universal healthcare. The big pharmas dumped way too much money into Hillary's campaign for us to assume she could pull it off - but as a voice in Obama's cabinet, with her sphere of influence directed outward - she can regain the clarifying view of national healthcare in light of its positive aspects in nearly every major country in the world - if the roundtable discussion comes up, I am sure she'll be a strong voice.

In the end, I am beginning to understand what it is like to have a leader. A president that you follow, who can direct us even if we don't understand the full picture.

Its kind of cool, isn't it? We don't have to have "homeland security condition red" all the time?


by Trey Rentz on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 09:57:57 AM EST

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Definitely nice to have a President that I suspect is always a few steps ahead of me.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 10:00:23 AM EST
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Amen.  Though it can take some getting used to, as I have painfully learned in the last few days.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 03:34:11 PM EST
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#1 is no longer true (2.00 / 2)

it may have been the key 10 years ago, but it is now a peripheral issue. once 9/11, iraq and afghanistan happened there was created an entirely new set of justifications, in the minds of the terrorist and his/her sympathizers, to despise the west.

a few word on personalities. the diarist suggests that the israeli right is more likely to agree to tough compromise when it comes from hillary. my question is why the right and aipac would ever feel compelled to accept these terms when the power in the relationship has always rested with them? their power has waned ONLY when elections in israel have put their likud supporters out of power and from the looks of it their man bibi will be back in control shortly.

the power to influence is not always based on the power of personality. believing it does is the kind of faulty logic that made obama supporters believe we had a chance to win Massachusetts during the primaries because most of the Kennedy clan was behind Obama.

the one hope is that obama has mentioned the 1967 borders as a basis. any other plan would be a non starter, IMO, with the palestinian side.


by highgrade on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 09:59:49 AM EST

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The Bibi-Likud situation by the polls are just what you intimate. Bibi walked over other presidents and he will do the same to Obama and Hillary, if she is sincere about peace. However, both of these personalities bent over backward during the election and even before to appease AIPAC. Can life have changed so quickly?

In the meantime, Israel's occupation continues, and so does its colonization of the land needed for a potential Palestinian state. A pure AIPAC-Likud scenario.


by MainStreet on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 11:45:31 AM EST
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i hate to be a downer (2.00 / 1)

but the I-P issue is one that I have learned never to get too hopeful about. the sad part is that when leaders have made the really tough choices required for peace, they end up being killed or otherwise sidelined.


by highgrade on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 12:52:40 PM EST
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I'm not so sure that the ideological premise of the jihadists has changed so much as their theatres of operations, and even that only as a consequence of our blundering into Iraq.  One significant shift, taking the 1998 fatwa as a starting point, is that we quietly acceded to the demand to remove military forces from 'the land of the two Holy Places,' Saudi Arabia, some time ago.  From the jihadists point of view the mere existence of Israel remains the other rallying point, outside of a generic antipathy to Western geopolitical influence and belief in the hegemony of Islam.

And I'm not suggesting that it is merely Hillary's 'personality' which could be the determining factor.  The 'power in the relationship' has changed with the discrediting of neo-conservativism in the US.  It is rather that Hillary is considered a favourite of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, and has enjoyed the unequivocal support of this constituency, which gives her the opportunity to apply significant leverage if she chose to do so.  In the event of her pressure, for example, to even consider the Arab League proposals I can imagine the Right in Israel anticipates a waning of their influence which might prefigure an accommodation.  One must take into account the power of public opinion in Israel and their impatience with the 'settlers' issue over time.

The influence of the US on Israel is understated and complex.  In the face of determined US pressure, if we chose to exercise it, Israel has a limited range of options to remain defiant of a negotiated settlement.

And as you have noted, Obama has been very cautious of any specific guarantees to either side.  He has, however, made renewing the Israeli/Palestinian an objective of his administration.  There is a debate emerging both here and in Israel which assumes an accommodation of some sort an existential necessity.  It is hard to imagine a scenario in which Likud, with or without Netanyahu, can remain aloof from this perception for long.  As noted above a settlement brokered on the Israeli side by a ruling Likud leader may be in many respects more enduring.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 03:25:56 PM EST
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I'm sure resolving Israel/Palestine will be much further up the agenda than it was with Bush, and I buy the Nixon goes to China aspect. But otherwise I agree with highgrade, Israel/Palestine is not the key to problems in the middle east. It is an excuse the nations in the area use to paper over their real problems.

If an Obama administration were able to solve it (I'm not as pessimistic as highgrade on that question) then we would still face serious problems across the region, potentially more serious since the many states which use Israel for propaganda would become more unstable. And while a peaceful resolution may weaken anti-Israel sentiment many in the region will continue to reject the very existence of a Jewish state.

There are much bigger problems in the world right now than Israel/Palestine or Islamic militancy. Those will be one among the many ingredients in the political instability that will follow this financial crisis.


by souvarine on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 11:10:43 AM EST

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As much as I respect your opinion on this it seems that the Arab Peace Initiative of 2002, again ratified in 2007, is irrefutable proof that the Arab League nations, at least, have come to see the resolution of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as vital to their stability and prosperity.  Even Hamas' spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab has acceded to such a peace.  And it is important to consider the terms of this initiative as a starting point to negotiations which would be accepted by the League, not a list of demands.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 03:32:12 PM EST
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But don't take just my word for it:


Resolution of the Palestinian issue would have a positive impact on the region. It would liberate Arab governments to support U.S. leadership in dealing with regional problems, as they did before the Iraq invasion. It would dissipate much of the appeal of Hezbollah and Hamas, dependent as it is on the Palestinians' plight. It would change the region's psychological climate, putting Iran back on the defensive and putting a stop to its swagger.

Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski - Middle East Priorities For January 21 Washington Post 21 Nov 08

I get the sense that there is a renewed interest in this area since Obama's election and suspect it has always been an intention of his policy to make a renewed effort at the earliest opportunity.  To have the timely and bipartisan support of Scowcroft, whom Obama has specifically referenced in his foreign policy remarks, and Brzezinski, who has advised him throughout his campaign, seems no accident.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 04:33:40 PM EST
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Sure, Israel/Palestine would get renewed attention in any Democratic administration. And I agree that a resolution would have a positive impact on the region, I don't agree that it is the key to resolving Islamic militancy. The forces generating Islamic militancy are internal to the states that are its source.

A resolution would make more room to address those problems, but it is one big step among many. In the meantime we need a new international monetary system. Much as I would love to see the Israel/Palestine issue resolved, the international financial crisis should be at the top of President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton's list.


by souvarine on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 04:56:08 PM EST
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We don't seem to disagree too much but I would maintain that our foreign policy challenges are equally acute, at least.  In my opinion these two crises are inextricably linked and it will be difficult to resolve one without significant progress with the other.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 05:35:52 PM EST
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Brilliant idea. (2.00 / 1)

Solve the Israeli-Palestinian peace conflict.  I'm surprised nobody thought of it before.  It's a cinch.


by Dumbo on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 12:07:32 PM EST

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A lot is going to depend on the Israeli elections. Hopefully we can influence them.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 12:19:57 PM EST

doubtful. (none / 0)

people in israel are tired of violence and of politicians failing them.  i think they are making a large mistake if they elect netanyahu, but it seems likely they will.

i also think that any peace deal will be contingent on either the elimination of hamas' terrorist ideology and/or more likely a loud change in their rhetoric with regards to israel.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 04:06:38 PM EST
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Hamas developed in 1987 to fight Israel's military occupation, and it was actually funded by Israel as an antedote to the PLO. Not certain how you define "terrorism," especially since both sides have been involved in killing civilians, if that is what you mean. I view the terrorist meme as being part of the propaganda effort which Israel started after 9/11, to turn itself into a victim, in spite of the military occupation and of course the confiscation of Palestinian lands for settlements in the territories that has been going on for 40 years, which is the root cause.

Jimmy Carter called Israel's killing of Palestinian civilians, "state terrorism." This paragraph explains:

"at approximately 12:00 on Monday, 31 January 2005, IOF positioned at the Egyptian border, south of Rafah, opened fire at an UNRWA elementary school in al-Brazil neighborhood, nearly 600 meters away from the border. Two Palestinian schoolchildren were wounded: 11-year-old Nouran Eyad Deeb was seriously wounded by a live bullet in the head; and 8-year-old 'Aaesha 'Essam al-Khatib, was wounded by a live bullet in the right hand, while the two were about to enter their classrooms. The two children were evacuated to Abu Yousef al-Najjar Hospital in Rafah, but the first child died a few minutes later. According to a teacher at school, the area was completely quiet when IOF opened fire which absolutely terrified the schoolchildren.

Palestinian educational institutions have been frequently attacked by IOF."

None of this would be happening on either side if Israel would just withdraw to the 67 border and stop continuing its colonization of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Don't you think this is a good idea. All the hostilities would immediately stop.


by MainStreet on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 07:45:56 PM EST
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am i having deja vu? (none / 0)

you're right - its completely one-sided.  the only reason there is a problem in this region is because of those damn israelis.

see most people think that the problem is complex and tied into a myriad of issues namely that both sides are being exploited by other countries and their interests - but they'd be wrong.

as you say - all israel has to do is forget what happened in 67 and in 73 and all will be fine!


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 08:02:38 PM EST
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None of this would be happening on either side if Israel would just withdraw to the 67 border and stop continuing its colonization of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

What basis do you have for that opinion?  Withdrawing to the 1967 borders satisfies the minimal demands of neither Hamas nor Fatah, both of which demand that Israel accept Palestinian refugees and their descendants into their territory.  (Not to mention the more maximalist demands of Hamas, which more explicitly call for the end of a Jewish state.)  What makes you think that if just unilaterally met part of the Palestinians' demands, the Palestinians would stop fighting for the rest of their demands?  Isn't it more likely that they would intensify their fight?  


by markjay on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 12:02:07 AM EST
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True but the repatriation of refugees versus a compensation payment and the demilitarisation of the Golan are among the few remaining unresolved issues, if one takes an optimistic view.  There has even been a proposed settlement of the Jordan water issue in the past.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 12:15:45 AM EST
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Yes, but the commenter doesn't say that these things could potentially be negotiated and resolved.  He implies that a unilateral withdrawal by Israel to the 1967 borders would itself end the violent conflict, and I see no evidence of that.


by markjay on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 01:07:47 AM EST
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I don't think any informed observer expects that, however it probably won't be far off the '67 borders when all is said and done.  Let's face it, the best territorial model we have is the 1979 Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty settlement of the Sinai.  But there was little in the way of displaced persons to deal with.  We've been saving the hard part for last.  And there is Syria to consider too.  I had high hopes for the secret accords between Israel and Syria in 2006-07 which are a template for a permanent treaty with Turkey as apparent mediator.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 01:30:51 AM EST
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It is with your enemies that you make peace, and issues such as you have mentioned are settled through negotiations.

What you don't do is to continue an incessant military occupation, whose sole purpose is confiscating more and more Palestinian land. How does that resolve anything? It doesn't. It just keeps the conflict going and going. And it makes Israel appear to be the bete noire of the region.

And just how do the views of Fatah or Hamas justify the colonizing of Palestinian lands? In fact, it makes defenders of Israel's occupation and land grab sound very disingenuous. The position: Hamas or Fatah don't recognize Israel, therefore, Israel has every right to throw them out and take their lands.

It is all clang and people are not that deaf not to hear it.


by MainStreet on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 07:47:30 AM EST
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Very true.  I'm guessing that to some degree by electing Obama we have already begun this process:


Despite the attention being paid to Clinton, no less important is the move made two days ago by Scowcroft and the man who succeeded him in office as national security adviser to Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski. In an op-ed piece penned for the Washington Post, Scowcroft (whom John McCain considered naming as a special envoy to the Middle East) and Brzezinski (who was close to Obama during the initial stages of his candidacy for president) offered a kind of first draft of "The Obama Plan."

The former NSA chiefs - who represent a wide, bipartisan consensus by dint of their service to Democratic and Republican presidents - praise President Bush's peace efforts over the last year and call upon Obama to lend "priority attention" to the Israeli-Arab peace process. Even though they do not name names, one can clearly notice an effort to influence on the election results in Israel so as to favor moderate candidates - Tzipi Livni and Ehud Barak - over Benjamin Netanyahu.

The crux of their plan to solve the conflict centers on four principles which they believe Obama ought to adopt and publicly declare as policy:

* An Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 lines, with slight alterations that are to be mutually agreed upon.

* Compensation for Palestinian refugees in lieu of exercising the right of return to pre-1948 Israel.

* Jerusalem as a "real home" to two capitals.

* A demilitarized Palestinian state.

In order to allay Israel's security concerns over handing over territory to a Palestinian government that is incapable of combating terrorism, the two former national security advisers recommend stationing an international force, perhaps that of NATO, for peacekeeping purposes, securing Israel, and training Palestinian forces.

Scowcroft and Brzezinski believe it is of urgent necessity for Obama to publicly declare his support of these principles. Doing so would go a long way towards Hamas moderating its positions and taking part in the process before the elections for the Knesset - "a complicating factor" - in February. In addition, the ex-NSA chiefs believe that such a declaration would create diplomatic momentum which "would provide the Israeli people a unique chance to register their views on the future of their country."

Amir Oren - Is Obama's Mideast peace platform coming into focus? Haaretz 22 Nov 08

It will be interesting to see how this develops over the next few months.  The Scowcroft/Brzezinski piece is well worth a read.  I am confident, however, that a Netanyahu victory does not necessarily preclude an Obama/Clinton peace initiative.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 04:09:29 PM EST
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interesting tea reading of the behind the scenes (none / 0)

Hope it's true.

This recession/depression has one good side.  The price of oil has dropped precipitously and with it the deep pockets of the oil states, especially Iran.

Iran has been the sponsor for the militants surrounding Israel, Hamas and Hizbollah.  But Iran has economic troubles of it's own.  Perhaps they will be more more focused on their domestic troubles, especially if they don't feel as threatened by an Obama administration.

And don't forget Iran will have their own election soon.

Without Hamas being so much of a spoiler, perhaps Israel can look for more innovative thinking in their security policy.  With a percieved friend at State in the body of Hillary Clinton, they may be coaxed back into real bargaining.

NOt much faith in the prospects for peace but this time without Shrub and the Neocons running foreign policy, we may, down the road, see some progress.

BTW Clinton did have great success in the vexing Israel/Palestine question, with Rabin and Arafat.  This was with the initiative started by Bush I and continued with vigor and persistance by Clinton.  The Peace movement was strong then, investment was growing in Palestine that had Arafat seriously beginning to think about being a politician instead of a rebel leader, and the citizens of Izrael beginning to move out of their bunker mentality.  But then a bullet to Rabin's head ended all that.  And the bullet came from an Izraeli, not an Arab.


by spoot on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 04:28:30 PM EST

nice job (none / 0)

I always like the way you write and in this case how you acknowledge some of the core assumptions with this scenario.

IF HRC as SoS makes Israel-Palestine peace possible then of course it is worth trying.  I would applaud it whole heartedly.  But can she reach that far?  You know this scenario is tenuous for a lot of reasons.

The paragraph you snipped from Jeffrey Goldberg doesn't convince at all and sounds naive to me.  I would prefer to leave the tactics to President Obama and Secretary Clinton to work out.

I'm also concerned about the many other areas of the world like Darfur, Pakistan, "Pashtunistan", other central Asian republics, eastern Europe and Russia...  Well you know.  Some of these other conflicts are ancient and knotty as well.  I don't see any advantage to having her as SoS for these other issues.  Months ago I physically winced a couple of times when she shared a couple of her perceptions about Pakistan.

I think you have hit on the kind of strategy that is needed.  It IS a Gordian Knot.  Perhaps all the conflict resolution diplomats in the world can't resolve this one.  Perhaps we need a little inspiration from Alexander the Great.  In our age, in the context of the Israeli-Palestine conflicts, in terms of diplomacy, what do you suppose would be the equivalent of Alexander's solution for untying the knot?


by Satya on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 04:32:28 PM EST

Re: nice job (none / 0)

I only quoted Goldberg to demonstrate an interest in the new possibilities of a Hillary appointment from a voice allied with more-or-less right-wing causes in US geopolitics over the years.  I wasn't particularly impressed with his specifics either.

As for the occult lesson of the Gordian Knot it seems to me that Alexander had gone a long way toward conquering Asia before the puzzle of the knot was presented to him in the first place.  In any case it is a teaching of the indirect approach, what we would call these days 'lateral thinking' and implies that intractable problems can only be overcome by questioning the conventional assumptions regarding the range of possible solutions.  The deft stroke of the cut seems secondary, though a popular aspect of the anecdote.  In ancient times an alternative telling of the fable was that he merely removed the yoke-pin of the apocryphal chariot.

In this case the notion that the interests and objectives of the US and Israel are always exactly congruent may have outlived it's usefulness in both nations.  Or that any sign of conciliation on the part of the US in it's policy in the Middle East or Western Asia will be seen as weakness.

As for Hillary's efficacy in other regions I could see that a similar usefulness, where her tradition of hawkish, centrist positions assuage concerns when alternative policies are pursued, could be successful.  I am suggesting that her assumed 'internationalist' tendencies would be subsumed, however, within the context of Obama's 'realist' approach.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 05:26:22 PM EST
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questioning conventional assumptions (2.00 / 1)

That's the main idea in my mind as well, but of course it is an tale with more than one aspect.  

I have higher hopes for Obama foreign policy than one driven by hawkish and conventional approaches.  And with Clinton at SoS, that still leaves me very disappointed.  Remember the days when the Obama campaign was asserting the value of "the Change We Need" over "Conventional Washington"?  Remember Samantha Power?  
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2007/08/memo_power_on_cw_v_cwn.php

Of course, convention has its place and is needed.  But it also has its limits as Alexander knew.  Let's hope Obama in his wisdom knows very well how to balance the approaches.  

So what is the feedback down under to the idea of Clinton at SoS?  One of my concerns is that Obama has built an enormous amount of good will toward him around the world and this starts to diminish that.


by Satya on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 10:28:47 AM EST
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Re: questioning conventional assumptions (none / 0)

After some initial misgivings I am still hopeful for the broad strokes of the foreign policy picture painted for us early in Obama's campaign.  I still think the 'realist' school, as well as the likes of Samantha Power, Susan Rice and other unconventional thinkers have indelibly informed Obama's 'world view' on foreign policy and that we will still see the fulfilment of these concepts.

I know you are pretty much on the same page as we have discussed these issues since the earliest days of his primary campaign.  And I was initially concerned over the Hillary pick because of the narrative in the mainstream media that he was 'outsourcing' foreign policy to concentrate on the domestic economic crisis.  But this makes no sense, the two are inextricably connected and Obama is perfectly capable of delegation and multi-tasking while setting the principles and ethos of his strategy, as we have had amply demonstrated in the campaign.  And I certainly don't buy the notion that his and Hillary's foreign policy positions are not dissimilar, that seems a pretty shallow reading of the past twenty-two months which ignores the tectonics of their respective campaigns.  Hence this diary, attempting to posit a rational basis for the appointment within a context of maintaining the integrity of what I have seen of his policy positions.  

I am not the least concerned with other appointments which have alarmed 'progressives,' including Emanuel and the likelihood of Jones as national security advisor.  Hillary's appointment required a bit more soul-searching, I'll admit, but the issue of assuaging conservative fears while still pursuing unconventional approaches seems wise.  A lot depends on the other appointments at State, to what degree Obama maintains firm control of policy and the continuity of sound advice he receives from his closest advisors, of which there seems to be quite a variety from some pretty esteemed quarters.

As for the feedback from Australia the Hillary appointment has had, anecdotally, mixed reviews.  Not particularly popular in my immediate circle, but no surprises there.  The mainstream media hasn't gotten past the superficial narratives of the popularity of the Clinton 'brand' and the irony of the appointment of such a bitter primary campaign antagonist.  Where our newspaper opinion isn't merely retreads of Stateside commentary it has been spun as a victory for caution but most of our print punditry is pretty darn conservative as a consequence of the deep penetration of the 'Murdoch slant' in the Australian mass media.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 05:27:28 PM EST
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Shaun's analysis is most insightful and lucidly probing.

But, as is often noted in the above commentaries, for the duration of their three decades-plus marriage, a marriage just as long devoted to American politics, the Clintons have been ever and always a "two-fer."  It is impossible to separate them, which is what makes them so utterly fascinating.

No political couple in American history has ever been so supremely successful.  

When her husband was afflicted with paralysis, Eleanor Roosevelt did indeed become Franklin's "legs and arms."  In a more modern era, it is entirely possible that Eleanor, the product of Victorian Era finishing schools, might have actually ventured a run for the White House herself--but she nevertheless became a much beloved world figure, both during and after her husband's unparalleled (and never to be paralleled, unless the Constitution is amended anew) thirteen-year reign.

Had Hillary rested on her own laurels, or indeed upon her husband's, she might have happily found herself several more terms a United States Senator, with her husband's Global Initiative itself a way to bask in the world spotlight.  But for Hillary, such a comfortable career would be much restricting.

The ebb and flow of the Clinton political fortunes have been heretofore inextricably tied to how, at any given time, each is positioned with the other, whether in times of turbulence or triumph.

But to utilize the tandem at one and the same time, harnassing and magnifying the considerable talent of each in turn, is a stroke of genius.

A commentator noted on this site that Bill is viewed internationally as an alluring rock star, whereas poor George Walker Bush is shunned as a serial killer.  

Former President Bill Clinton arguably may be the most talented politician of the past century.  President-elect Obama may one day lay claim to that mantle--but he's not yet had all the vicissitudes thrown his way, the baptism of fire Bill has walked through frequently and still endures a phenomenally charismatic force of nature whom so much of the world is yet eager to embrace.

And Senator Hillary Clinton not only got closer to the United States Presidency than any other woman in the history of this nation (by a twitch of a twist of fate she, and not Senator Barack Obama, would likely have been the incoming President), her never surfeited talent has yet to be fully tapped.

Now, enter President-elect Obama.  It is a measure of his own genius that, notwthstanding protests from intransigent Clinton and Obama enthusiasts from either side, he is now attempting the miraculous.  He seeks to fully utilize both Clintons on the world stage, at one and the same time--rarifying and illuminating each to the fullest possible extent.

Be prepared to be dazzled.  The MSM may suffer apoplexy.  But in letting the Clinton tandem loose unfettered on a world stage, but in parameters President Obama himself only comprehends, the global impact will be glorious.


by lambros on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 05:09:35 PM EST

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don't forget Hillary's bold moves in the 90's regarding Palestinian self-determination. I think she's poised like no other to broker with both sides.


by swissffun on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 03:50:38 PM EST

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An excellent point, she was out in front of Bill on that which created a bit of controversy at the time.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 05:28:39 PM EST
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One thing I see that appears to be overlooked in most comments is how the energy crisis may change things in the Middle-East. If the oil baronies really believe the US is going to make an effort to get off imported oil then they will be looking at a new paradigm. The necessary negotiations don't only involve the Israelis and Palestinians. It also involves Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran and the other oil producers in the region. Discussions with those countries should prove very interesting if they can be led to truly believe the US energy policy is changing.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 04:27:02 PM EST

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Not to mention the overwhelming challenge facing us in the competition to be masters of the distribution network of these energy resources.  Putin's visit to Iran last October, not to mention the recently concluded energy contract between Iraq and China, point to a possible shift from a paradigm where the US Navy is the guarantor of international energy supply lanes at sea to a continental pipeline traversing European and/or Asiatic Russia to both Western and Eastern markets.

In that context it is very disconcerting to see the US unwilling or unable to prevent the piracies on the high seas which have occured recently, especially where energy supplies are concerned.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 05:33:14 PM EST
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That's what happens when your military is over-stretched, others move into the vacuum.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 07:09:40 PM EST
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Arguably so, though piracy is counter-intuitively not a 'blue water' problem it is one which the US has taken seriously as a global maritime power for at least two centuries.  However without some kind of coastal presence in the Horn of Africa it is hard to anticipate an effective solution which doesn't require a disproportionate investment of scarce resources.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 07:19:39 PM EST
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I see I'm not the only one who sees (none / 0)

some similarities with the Barbary pirates of the 18th and early 19th centuries.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 07:49:00 PM EST
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No, but ironically the historical lesson in solving this problem in the short-term would probably be to find the most capable cartel of pirates in the region and pay them a protection fee for every ship which safely transits the region.  It wouldn't be difficult, they apparently have agents acting for them in the clearing houses of European finance.  

Otherwise, it would seem, a decisive military campaign would have to be waged against the numerous coastal bases of these pirates scattered along the whole of the Somalian coast, with all the entanglements and risk that implies.  I can imagine our national security leadership wisely hoping to avoid doing that right at the moment.  So your point about stretched resources and frayed alliances makes perfect sense.  Our success against piracy in South East Asia has been based primarily on our generosity with coastal radar installations and co-operation among collaborative regional governments.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 08:05:52 PM EST
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There is one possibility. (none / 0)

If the pirates don't have spies in the shipping companies then armed decoy ships could be sent through the shipping lanes. I imagine a quick burst from a chain gun would take out the pirate vessels in a matter of seconds. Take out enough of them and the rest should get the message.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 08:08:59 PM EST
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Re: There is one possibility. (none / 0)

In practice I think you will see a significant increase in the activity of Combined Task Force 150 in the region following the recent super-tanker exploit.  India seems particularly aggressive in this respect, the frigate INS Tabar destroying a pirate vessel in the past few days.

While it is almost impossible to eradicate piracy from blue water patrolling it can certainly have an impact on the incidence of successful attacks.  The next step, to my mind, would be a convoy system, with the inherent overheads and inefficiencies borne by the respective shippers.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 08:28:56 PM EST
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Hi Shaun,
Great post. I always appreciated you - even during the primaries when we supported different candidates. You have a deep appreciation for history and a firm and enviable grasp of foreign affairs. And a fine read.

It wasn't hard for me to support Barack and any initial reluctance soon gave way to enthusiasm and excitement.
And I always respected Samantha Power and I thought her punishment was too severe - I hope she has a voice in this WH.

If you get a chance, please read this. It is the best solution I have read on the subject.

From Pat Lang, I posted this at Wes Clark's, with his permission. (The reason I'm posting this via my thread there is because there are several links
that may be helpful to readers.)

http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/1692 8


by durendal on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 07:07:24 PM EST

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A very interesting piece, to be sure, thanks.  I actually disagree with a few of the arguments set forth there by Colonel Lang, not least of which the historical analogy with the Congress of Vienna and the appropriate role of the 'great powers' in crafting an overarching détente in the region, but that is just quibbling relative to the good sense evident in attempting to address the stability of the region as a whole.

I would mention the point in regard to Iran's nuclear program, however, that I think we often miss and which the article you cited ignores, that it is immensely difficult to expect a nation of the size and stature of Iran to forego a nuclear deterrent in respect of neighbouring Pakistan given the history of enmity between Shi'a and Sunni, Pakistan's nuclear capability and the very real possibility of a Sunni theocratic state emerging there in coming years.

Interestingly, that is a concern that we share with our erstwhile enemy Iran, not to mention Russia, India and other proximate states, irrespective of cultural allegiances, and that may suggest yet anither untapped resource in the de facto alliances we are foregoing for the sake of our attachment to liberal democratic ideals and existing regional postures.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 07:45:52 PM EST
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Re: Hillary at State (none / 0)

Well war did not stop in Europe to be sure - nor has it ever completely stopped anywhere - but if you compare the casualties of the Crimean and Franco Prussian wars to even Russia's alone in WWI.

And yes, it is the spirit of the concert as opposed to direct historic parallels. The idea of the Concert did lead to the League of Nations (far from perfect to be sure) which in turn lead to idea of the UN - while certainly still far from perfect, it has attained much good - and what is the alternative?

Is there a Talleyrand around?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talleyrand

As for Iran, I like what Ray Takeyh says in his summary for the Washington Post.

In an ideal universe, Iran would not be spinning a single centrifuge. In the here and now, though, Iran has an elaborate nuclear apparatus and is enriching uranium. It is impossible to turn back the clock. Instead of reviving an incentive package rejected long ago by Iran or issuing calls for military retribution that worry no one in the country's hierarchy, the United States and its European allies would be wise to negotiate an arrangement that would meet at least some of their demands. This may just be the last chance we have before Iran crosses the nuclear weapons threshold.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/05/16/AR2008051603434. html

Most importantly we will have someone at the helm
who is willing to negotiate with Iran. Persia has had the benefit of a few thousand years over us in that regard and is looking to be the prominent power in the region. We will see. More often than not in such matters there are bad choices and worse choices.

Back to Col. Lang briefly - he really is one of those responsible for much of the success the Anbar Awakening. It is hard to argue with success. Yet we incessantly hear about the success of the Surge/Petraeus from the self anointed wise ones.  


by durendal on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 09:08:23 PM EST
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It's not that the 'Concert of Europe' failed to halt  war between European powers that I disagree with, arguably it had.  What concerned me was that the Congress of Vienna, in practice, seems more a 'College of Autocrats,' arbitrary and largely unenlightened, more interested in maintaining the geopolitical status quo for the sake of an efficient plunder of the colonial world and the internal repression of movements of citizen's rights and national liberation among it's members.  

Furthermore, the pattern it set of incessant diplomatic manoeuvring, shifting alliances and veiled threat could arguably have the rise of militarism, the emergence of the Triple Alliance and the Triple Entente and the ensuing carnage of the Great War laid at it's door, but this is mere quibbling.  And as you point out, less blood was certainly spilled and the quality of life of the people of Europe, if not the rest of the world, could be said to have been improved.  It certainly did lead to the League of Nations and thus to our present state of international diplomacy, such as it is.

I think the thing that concerns me is the hint of paternalism in Colonel Lang's reference to the collaboration of the 'great powers' to virtually impose such a peace on the region.  I don't think that is quite the way it will actually happen, not in this century.  I can admire his successes regarding the Anbar awakening, which is more an 'awakening' of sane counter-insurgency doctrine within our own military than anything else, without necessarily agreeing with his regional strategies.  Anyone who had studied the Malaysian insurgency with an open mind would have had to question the policies of our military in Iraq, and everywhere else, for that matter, until recently.

Talleyrand, incidentally, was an inveterate schemer whose true allegiances, in some cases, even history has failed to discern.  And I certainly agree with the premises of Ray Takeyh in the Post article you provided, that was an interesting read.  I still fail to see how we can manage Iran's nuclear ambition without acknowledging their need for a deterrent guarantee of some kind against Pakistan in the event a theocratic regime emerges there.  I'm guessing that is what lies in the back of their minds.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 10:35:43 PM EST
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More evidence for your theory, an article in The Wall Street Journal tomorrow on Scowcroft's influence over Obama and how he raises Israel/Palestine on the agenda

The relationship between the president-elect and the Republican heavyweight suggests that Mr. Scowcroft's views, which place a premium on an Israeli-Palestinian peace accord, might hold sway in the Obama White House.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who was deputy national-security adviser under Mr. Scowcroft in the George H.W. Bush administration, is almost certain to be retained by Mr. Obama, according to aides to the president-elect. Richard Haass, a Scowcroft protégé and former State Department official, could be tapped for a senior National Security Council, State Department or intelligence position. Mr. Haass currently runs the Council on Foreign Relations.

Reported by Siobhan Gorman, who has been one of the best reporters on National Security for the past eight years.


by souvarine on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 09:29:51 PM EST

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Thanks, I read it with interest and, dare I say, some satisfaction.  There is now a front-page diary citing almost the identical passage you did.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 11:29:56 PM EST
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