The Myth of 1948

For the past week or so, McCain's buzz phrase has been "Dewey Defeats Truman." Every major national poll shows Obama leading McCain by at least three points, and the ones with the methodologies I trust the most show him up by even more (Gallup Expanded has him at 9). John McCain says don't be deceived; the polls are wrong now just like they were in 1948. The Washington Post has joined him in questioning their accuracy:

Could the polls be wrong? Sen. John McCain and his allies say that they are. The country, they say, could be headed to a 2008 version of the famous 1948 upset election, with McCain in the role of Harry S. Truman and Sen. Barack Obama as Thomas E. Dewey, lulled into overconfidence by inaccurate polls.

I would suggest that Senator McCain and the Post staff bone up a little on their recent American history. The 1948 polls that showed Dewey ahead of Truman were quite possibly accurate for the most part (see the NPR reference below). The problem was that pollsters stopped polling a week ahead of election day, and Truman's barnstorming whistle-stop tour around the country lambasting the "do nothing" Congress had a huge impact. It's possible that John McCain could come up with a similarly effective and powerful message, but he's got a lot less time in which to do it, and people are a lot angrier at Bush than they were at Truman, sooo... I doubt it.

It's vital to remember: polls don't predict what will happen in an election several days or weeks down the line; they only tell you what would happen if the election were held at the time the poll was in the field. The Tribune headline got the story wrong in 1948 because it relied on out-of-date polls, not because those polls were wrong. (Although, as NPR noted yesterday, it is true that those polls weren't nearly as scientific as the ones we have now. The polls were conducted by phone, and while that's the best way to conduct a poll today, it wasn't such a hot idea when only the Dewey-leaning rich had them.) A week prior to Election Day, Dewey may well have defeated Truman. But things change. Fortunately for America, they've never changed a full 6.4 points in just 3 days.

In 2008, out-of-date polls are the absolute last of our worries. Barring Osama bin Laden's capture, I predict that Senator Obama will win this race and handily so; if not in a popular vote landslide, then almost certainly in an electoral bloodbath.

(Adapted from a post at my personal blog.)



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I was under the impression (none / 0)

that the art of getting a random sample was not well developed in 1948, and that big city political machines were also more of a factor.

How do we know that Truman's last week of campaigning was so significant in shifting voter preferences? Maybe the polls were not tapping into certain demographic groups in the right proportions.


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by desmoinesdem on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 08:34:43 PM EST

It wasn't (2.00 / 1)

and in the days before the 1948 election, some political experts at the time were warning that the electoral map favored Truman because of his strength in the south.

For example, even while he was trailing Dewey, Illinois and California were tied and Truman was clinging to a 1% lead in Ohio. Those three states made up the difference between a Dewey win and a Truman win. Truman only needed one of them to win. He got all three and they were decided literally by thousands of votes.

Also, the difference then was only 47 million people voted in the whole election, probably about 1/3 of the turnout we'll see this year. He only had to move about 3 million votes, McCain has to move a lot more.


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by nrafter530 on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 08:47:16 PM EST
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I blogged about this on The Moderate Voice (none / 0)

Please link to it here.


by elrod on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 08:34:44 PM EST

Polls were NOT accurate then (none / 0)

Most of Truman's voters - rural and working class - did not have telephones. Samples skewed Republican.

This was even worse in 1936 when pollsters thought Landon would beat FDR.


by elrod on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 08:36:03 PM EST

Re: Polls were NOT accurate then (2.00 / 1)

Actually, the 1936 poll was worse beacause it was very inaccurate (Landon beating FDR in a landslide when the final outcome was 523-8 Roosevelt).
Truman-Dewey was more recent and more legendary, but the election was much close than '36 was.
by spirowasright on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 09:52:06 PM EST
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Re: The Myth of 1948 (none / 0)

Hopefully. Let's just get Obama elected.


by werd2406 on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 08:42:00 PM EST

Dewey was the complacent one (none / 0)

He believed the supposed 'mood' and was completely cautious and 'safe.'  Meanwhile, Truman called him everything under the sun (good for Harry).  I also believe pollsters -- the one or two companies that did it in 1948 -- stopped well before a week was left.  Losing campaigns always trot out 1948, to go along with 'the only poll that matters is on Election Day' and 'we've got momentum.'


by Tangie3 on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 08:50:22 PM EST

Re: The Myth of 1948 (none / 0)

According to wikipedia, Gallup also assumed that undecideds would break decisively for the challenger... He supposedly learned from that experience and never did that again in future polls...

Getting ahold of people in 1948 was a lot harder than it is now... How many people actually had phones back then, or had party lines or whatever.  I read that Gallup started their business by polling via mail.  Nowadays, that is considered to be ridiculous (take a lopk at how everyone has slammed the columbus dispatch poll, even though it is favorable to us)


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by LordMike on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 08:59:10 PM EST

Re: The Myth of 1948 (2.00 / 1)

Literary Digest, one of the most widely-read magazines in the country, printed a survey in its magazine in 1936 and asked readers to send them back in, and then printed the responses as accurate. Needless to say, Landon did NOT beat FDR and Literary Digest went out of business before long. It wasn't until the '70s or so that the methodology we know today became at all commonplace.


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by Transplanted Texan on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 09:03:36 PM EST
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Re: The Myth of 1948 (none / 0)

McCain and the Post are talking about 1948, huh?
I saw a story about polls and upsets in the last few weeks on yahoo news with HST and the erroneous Trib headline.
When they start talking Truman-Dewey in 1948, I start to wonder about their chances (just saying).
by spirowasright on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 09:48:14 PM EST

Re: The Myth of 1948 (none / 0)

Let's not forget that the Chicago Tribune made the error of printing a headline before even a decent number of votes had been counted.  The paper was Republican and probably believed their endorsed candidate was a sure thing, whether those new-fangled polls were right or not.  The paper made the mistake of not looking where the votes that were in had come from, and from where the remainder of the votes would come.  

Sixty year later, the same mistakes will not be made.  It is highly unlikely that John McCain, with no incumbency, can flip enough votes to be elected POTUS.


by flatblade on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 10:14:56 PM EST

Re: The Myth of 1948 (none / 0)

I think it is literally impossible for the last week of campaigning to have swung enough votes to account for the discrepancy.  It's not like Truman was speaking to crowds of 20,000 undecided voters at every station stop.


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by Steve M on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 10:28:49 PM EST

Why slam the Post? (none / 0)

Good points, but why are you slamming the Post itself? In your quote, all they are doing is repeating what the McCain campaign is saying, and then they say this:

Few analysts outside the McCain campaign appear to share this view. And pollsters this time around will not make the mistake that the Gallup organization made 60 years ago -- ending their polling more than a week before the election and missing a last-minute surge in support for Truman.

So I'd say the Post doesn't actually need to bone up on their history. Neither, probably, do the McCain pollsters, but at this point, what else can they say?


by fsm on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 10:34:51 PM EST

Re: Why slam the Post? (none / 0)

That's a fair point, but the name of the article was "Accuracy Of Polls a Question In Itself: Skeptics Challenge Assumptions Made." Although it somewhat debunked the 1948 claim, I think it did even more to further it. Don't get me wrong, the WaPo is my favorite newspaper, but I felt the piece left the reader with the wrong impression.


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by Transplanted Texan on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 10:39:00 PM EST
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I still maintain... (none / 0)

That McCain's last best hope for victory was the third debate.

If he had shown up with Osama Bin Laden trussed up and thrown over his shoulder, he could have still won.

(And while the talking-heads created a narrative in which McCain gave his best performance in that debate, the reality is that it was a gaffe-filled performance in which Obama crushed him. And the polls showing that Obama scored his widest margin of victory among undecided voters during that debate would seem to back up my impression.)


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by Justin Alexander on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 04:59:50 AM EST

Re: The Myth of 1948 (none / 0)

Truman won because of his program.  His economic and fiscal proposals were more radical than anything seen since.


by demjim on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 10:30:54 AM EST


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