CA Supreme Court Agrees To Hear Challenges To Prop 8

MSNBC just reported the news that the California Supreme Court, which declared a ban on same sex marriage unconstitutional in May, has now agreed to hear the legal challenges to Prop 8, which have been filed since its passage on Nov. 4th.

The Sacramento Bee has it:

The California Supreme Court agreed Wednesday to consider complaints by opponents of Proposition 8 that it improperly revised the constitution to ban gay marriage. The court declined to stay its enforcement in the meantime. [...]

Holton said the court established an expedited briefing schedule. She said oral argument could be held as early as March 2009.

This isn't really that surprising and probably doesn't reveal anything about how they would rule as all sides of the issue have been urging the court to hear the challenges.

California Attorney General Brown Monday urged the California Supreme Court to accept review of the legal challenges to Proposition 8.

"The profound importance of the issues raised by Proposition 8 warrants that this matter be reviewed and promptly resolved by the California Supreme Court," said Brown in a statement to News10.

Attorney General Brown has said publicly he believes same-sex marriages performed between June 17 and November 4, 2008 remain valid and will be upheld by the Court. [...]

Meanwhile the sponsors of California's new same-sex marriage ban are urging the state's highest court to hear a series of lawsuits seeking to overturn the measure.

Lawyer Andrew Pugno said the backers of Proposition 8 are so confident the California Supreme Court would uphold the voter-approved initiative they would prefer the court take the cases and resolve the question quickly.

The crux of the legal challenges to Prop 8 is a process argument rather than a civil rights one. Essentially, Prop 8 opponents argue, as they have for months, that Prop 8 would constitute a "revision" to the constitution, not an "amendment" and as such, a simple majority vote by California voters is not sufficient to make the change that Prop 8 does, i.e. eliminating a minority group's fundamental right. The proper process by which Prop 8 should have gotten to the ballot, they argue, is by 2/3 vote of the legislature; only then should a simple majority have been allowed to revise the constitution in such a fundamental way.

Update [2008-11-19 17:36:36 by Todd Beeton]:Until the court rules, we must continue to assume that Prop 8 will be enacted and fight for its repeal, which is exactly what the Courage Campaign (for whom I do some work) has begun to do with its Repeal Prop 8 petition. If you haven't signed it, please join the almost 300,000 people who have and sign the pledge today.



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Re: CA Supreme Court Agrees .. (2.00 / 2)

Wooo-hoooo!!
although I am dissapointed they didn't stay the implementation...
also a little nervous because they want to hear about what to do with the people already married.
by el mito on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 05:31:53 PM EST

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What to do with those who already married is an important question and they could be coming at it from the left too. You can't strip away the married status that people gained before prop 8 passed - especially not because the CA Supreme Court had ruled in favor of marriage equality. If the court sees it that way then surely the state can't recognize some people as married but deny the same right to others. These two issues provide additional very pragmatic legal arguments in favor of striking down prop 8.


by Quinton on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 06:10:35 PM EST
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Okay- I just read something from the La Times article that makes me think our chances are even better than I tought they were before:

"In 1966, the California Supreme Court struck down an initiative that would have permitted racial discrimination in housing. Voters had approved the measure, a repeal of a fair housing law, by a 2-to-1 margin. Opponents challenged it on equal protection grounds, not as a constitutional revision."

If true, this is very good for us. It's true that we are arguing procedural issues, but that issue grows out of equal protection and fundamental right analysis.


by bruh3 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 05:50:10 PM EST

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Nevermind- found out it was decided on federal law grounds, not state con law.


by bruh3 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 06:36:54 PM EST
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Sicc 'em, lawyers!!

I have a good feeling about it. Even though the law isn't crystal clear on it, it seems to me the clause that requires a 2/3 majority to make a significant change to the Constitution should override the will of a simple, backward majority.


by Spiffarino on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 06:09:04 PM EST

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I'm hopeful, but concerned. It all depends what the court thinks a significant change is.


by Quinton on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 06:11:48 PM EST
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Well... (none / 0)

I think our side will present a good case showing that Prop 8 is a significant change that qualifies as an improper & illegal revision. Let's see how the judges respond to it.


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 07:34:04 PM EST
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When you use the Constitution to deny somebody rights, it should be the biggest deal of all. The California SC needs to consider the nasty precedent that will be set if they uphold the will of a simple majority to deny civil rights to a minority they happen to not like.


by Spiffarino on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 01:02:23 AM EST
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A win would be nice and consistent with constitutional democracy, but it doesn't work politically.

So I'm hoping the SC splits the baby: gay marriages are suspended, existing ones continue to be recognized, but Prop. 8 is also in limbo as a violation of Equal Protection.

IOW, it comes down to a Prop. 8 repeal referendum succeeding in 2010.


by killjoy on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 06:19:16 PM EST

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Huh? EPC isn't about whats political. That's the whole point of the analysis.


by bruh3 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 06:37:48 PM EST
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Precisely! (none / 0)

The judges don't care about the politics of "the vote". They look to be concerned about the legality of H8, which is just where we want them to be!


Want to defend marriage equality in Maine? Ask me how!
by atdleft on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 07:28:24 PM EST
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I'm excited about this... the fact that the court refused to enjoin 8 is good policy.  It shows that they're following the law and not the emotion of it - much more harm is done if marriages performed after Nov. 4th are invalidated - it sounds harmful to the cause for equal rights, but it really shows, to me, that the Court is acknowledging the depth of the emotion involved.

At first I didn't think the argument was a good one, but the more I read the more I think it's compelling, and it could also help limit future propositions - these endless propositions are outrageous.  Some of them are even good policy (e.g. humane conditions for farm animals) but they're good policy that should go through the legislature; this is a Republic, not mob rule.


by auronrenouille on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 11:22:20 PM EST


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