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Sarah Palin in Los Angeles Thread

by Todd Beeton, Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 05:55:11 PM EST

I'm here at the Sarah Palin rally at The Home Depot Center in Carson, CA. I seriously have not seen as many McCain bumper stickers in my life as I did in traffic on my way here. The wingnut base is alive and well in California, believe me, and they love them some Sarah Palin. I've been interviewing people about Sarah Palin and Proposition 4, which is the latest attempt by the right wing in CA to pass a parental notification law. Seriously, you really wouldn't know I'm in LA County right now.

To raise awareness about Prop 4, the Courage Campaign is flying a banner in the sky above the stadium that says "Sarah Palin, Thanks But No Thanks: No on Prop 4!" It's funny to see people look up to catch a glimpse of it. It's completely viewable from the stands. Our purpose is to connect Prop 4 to Sarah Palin's worldview. Everyone I've spoken to here is in strong support of Prop 4, which should tell progressives and Democrats throughout the state all you need to know about the initiative. The Yes folks, who are here in force, are framing it as a "child predator" bill. The No on 4 frame is "Prop 4 puts teens in danger." Learn more about Prop 4 HERE and spread the word to everyone you know in California that they've got to vote No.

Sarah Paliln should be coming out any minute. Is anyone watching -- apparently MSNBC is going to air it live.

The natives are getting restless. They're chanting Sarah! Sarah! Here she comes.

Update [2008-10-4 18:9:0 by Todd Beeton]:Christ, they have the President of the Los Angeles chapter of the National Organization For Women to introduce her. "I'm speaking not on behalf of NOW, but as an individual." Damn right. OK, she just mentioned that she fought for Geraldine Ferrarro's nomination and there was actually a lot of cheering. Umm, really? "I'm speaking as a lifetime Democrat." The place just booed her. Hahahahaa.

Update [2008-10-4 18:9:0 by Todd Beeton]:I'm still on the fact that they had to get a Democrat to introduce her. This is their plan to win California I suppose. Amazing.

Update [2008-10-4 18:9:0 by Todd Beeton]:OK, seriously, she came out and called herself a "progressive...and a conservative." WHat a bullshit artist.

She just handled a protester really well. "My son is fighting in Iraq right now to protect the freedom that that person is exercising."

Update [2008-10-4 18:9:0 by Todd Beeton]:Did she just say McCain wouldn't exploit the economic crisis? Really?

I love how loud the engine of the airplane with the banner is.

Update [2008-10-4 18:20:13 by Todd Beeton]:She's taking on the entire idea that Obama will cut taxes, called it a joke. She repeated the BS about voting to raise taxes 94 times in the senate. They are afraid, very afraid, that they are losing their monopoly as the tax cutting party. "Barack Obama is going to raise your taxes." Booooooooooooooooooooo.

She just called her Couric interview "not so successful." Ha. She's talking about the "what do you read" question. "I was reading a copy of The New York Times." Booooooo. OK, now she's talking about Obama's "friends." Here we go. It's Ayers time, everyone.

"This is not a man who sees America as you and I see America. We see America as a force of good in this world." She's going right after his patriotism here. Welcome to the final month, ladies and gentlemen. "Pal around with terrorists who target their own country." Liar.

OK, it's starting to rain. Gotta put the computer away.

Tags: open thread, sarahpalin (all tags)

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Re: Sarah Palin in Los Angeles Thread (none / 0)

So... I'm a bit puzzled at the loop hole that allows Candidates to fund-raise for their National Committee if they themselves are taking Public Financing money, when the National Committees can then turn around and spend the raised money for the publicly financed candidate. Seems like it just negates the purpose of public financing neh?

by notedgeways on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:07:39 PM EST

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There's no keeping a politician away from his money. If only we could elect Presidents like this: vote on a set of goals people want (commercial space flight, universal health care, etc.), then say that whoever accomplished one of them first would get to be President for a year or two. Kind of like the X-prize.

*meh*

by failsafe on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:46:34 PM EST
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I don't quite get (from a campaign strategy viewpoint) why she is spending any time in California at all. It's a waste of time, electorally speaking, since they have only 30 days or so left to turn it around. And California, of course, is never going to turn blue.

This is the second such event this week where I have been kind of scratching my head about their campaign scheduling. The first was earlier this week when McCain himself was in Iowa, another state that has been polling blue for months and months, mostly outside the margin of error.

It doesn't bother me, exactly -- I mean, I will set up a campaign schedule for the Republican ticket that has them spending time in Massachusetts and Illinois, for all I care -- but it does puzzle the amateur political strategist in me.

by RobertNAtl on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:13:00 PM EST

Money (none / 0)

she's doing a fundraiser there so may as well hold a rally to whip up interest.

by JJE on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:20:18 PM EST
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Who's the NOW lady? Is she a, uh, did she Pucker Up to McCain's Ass? And did she mean that she was a lifeLONG democrat, or a Lifetime democrat?

Who are these freaky people?

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:20:08 PM EST

Re: Sarah Palin in Los Angeles Thread (2.00 / 1)

It's ridiculous that NOW is involved in that rally.

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:33:32 PM EST
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They're not - matter of fact they've endorsed Obama, and they generally don't endorse in the general. But the woman shouldn't be invoking them and making it seem like they are.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:26:46 PM EST
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Re: Sarah Palin in Los Angeles Thread (2.00 / 1)

You're right, the woman said she was there as an individual, but introduced herself (or was introduced) as the president of the LA Chapter of NOW.
I dropped an e-mail to the California chapter.

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:35:49 PM EST
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I'll be dropping them a line as well.

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 09:12:43 PM EST
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I've already gotten an e-mail back from the California NOW president:

Can you tell where you heard this from, was it in person, someone you know etc. I am deeply disturbed that anyone from the leadership of Los Angeles NOW would use their title in this manner. As a member of that chapter and a board member I can tell you that I had no knowledge that the President was even contemplating such a thing let alone actually do it! I will investigate this personally and will inform you of the results.

For Equality,

Patty Bellasalma
President, CANOW

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 07:31:16 AM EST
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Excellet!

I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt

by fogiv on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 12:56:37 PM EST
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Re: Why is the NOW lady there? (none / 0)

I have just been over at talkleft, where BTD and Jeralyn disagree on whether Palin;s vices should be taken into considertion in this election. One of the things that came up in the comments is that some Clinton supporters, aided and abetted by Bill's comments about McCain's Excellent VP choice, and perhaps some feminists although they were not necessarily mentioned, are encouraging all women to vote for another woman, regardless of party and policy. I got trashed there because some said that what I was saying about what Palin might try to do to McCain in a power struggle was supposedly like what I had said about Clinton if she had become VP nominee and the Democratic slate were successful, as if criticism of any female candidate was like criticizing Clinton in the primary and sexist for that. An anti-woman meme. The presence of the NOW rep may be part of that, where any woman at all is the proposed preferred candidate.

by Christy1947 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 08:55:38 PM EST
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A fellow talkleft person (none / 0)

Well, I think what those folks are driving at is some of the criticism of Palin is similar to the criticism that Clinton faced regarding allegedly negative character traits such as ambition and ruthlessness.

Some of the posters seem to be arguing is that those two traits wouldn't be as negative for male politicians as they are for female politicians because society has a tendency to portray ambitious and ruthless women as Glenn Close types, a caricature that was made of Hillary Clinton and is bieng suggested by some about Sarah Palin.

Just my reading on the analysis. It seems that Jeralyn, like other female progressive bloggers, really despise Palin a lot more than McCain.

by Blazers Edge on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 09:02:02 PM EST
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I actually (none / 0)

don't mind ambitious and "ruthless" women (I'm not nuts for that word) and respect Palin's ambitiousness.

I just don't trust her because she has a Republican ambition and that scares me.

Someone asked me if I trust any Republican women. I have to say I respected Christine Todd Whitman when she was Governor of New Jersey and I do respect Jodi Rell of Connecticut. Maybe it's because they made their ambitions a little less obvious, so it scared me less...but Republican ambition, no matter who it is, scares me.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 09:32:44 PM EST
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Re: A fellow talkleft person (none / 0)

But part of the point is that female candidates do have to be examined individually, not one supported because the prior one in the same cycle did not succeed, regardless of the qualities of the second candidate. Both may in fact be aggressive and ruthless, but only one is competent, which should make a difference, only one made a run which millions of Americans have agreed with, which should make a difference, and the two are entirely different on policy, which should make a difference. The proper response is never "Oh, that sounds like what s/he said about Hillary a while ago, she must be a sexist against all women candidates." Or we should forget about policy and support any woman who runs. Just because she is a woman. That's insulting to every competent woman candidate, saying her competence does not count but her photographic female characteristics are the only important thing.

by Christy1947 on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:31:09 PM EST
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Rain? (none / 0)

This is the first time it's rained here in months. There is a God!

*meh*

by failsafe on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:42:19 PM EST

Re: Sarah Palin in Los Angeles Thread (2.00 / 1)

I just fired off an e-mail to the California chapter president of NOW, if the woman was up there as an individual, she should not have introduced herself (or been introduced) as the president of the LA chapter of NOW.
Then I wondered if the woman was a PUMA?

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:43:29 PM EST

Re: Sarah Palin in Los Angeles Thread (2.00 / 0)

I'm sure it takes all kinds. I highly doubt any educated, passionate feminist who supported Hillary Clinton (like myself) would ever EVER step foot on stage to introduce Sarah Palin & what she represents. If she is or was a member of NOW I'm sure it is for emphasis only, she is a lier or she recently had an aneurysm.

Look I haven't been inconsistent in my posts here at all. I have never much cared for the DNC G/E ticket, but I am voting for it b/c to not do so would be suicidal. And women like the Sarah Palins of the world are nothing new to be dealt with by the feminist movement. They make a mockery of what it means to try and progress the movement but they are figureheads propped up by men to get a job done by them. It isn't anything new at all really.

by jrsygrl on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:13:40 PM EST
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Good on you; I was thinking of the same thing.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:25:53 PM EST
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why (2.00 / 0)

punish yourself todd?

have you been a bad boy?

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:56:21 PM EST

i just don't understand (none / 0)

She just handled a protester really well. "My son is fighting in Iraq right now to protect the freedom that that person is exercising."

How can you support FcCain/Pain if your son is in Iraq???? Seriously, I want to know.

We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America. -Barack Obama

by NavyBlueWife on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:57:00 PM EST

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What's also strange is why it's taking place in Carson and not down in Orange County, where the Repug base is.

by venician on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:00:34 PM EST

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And it's not his patriotism she's going after. She's going after the not like us "white folks" meme, the Obama is a scary BLACK man.

by venician on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:02:54 PM EST

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People are asking why is she in CA?

Well three things:

1. As mentioned above it is a fundraiser visit.

She got some national coverage out of it, so in a way it transcends CA to the national stage.
It may be a way of warming her up before unleashing her in more tightly contested areas.

by notedgeways on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:30:52 PM EST

Off-topic but about Jerome Armstrong (2.00 / 2)

There's some dude(s) posting as "Jerome Armstrong" across the blogosphere, most notably Public Policy Polling's blog. Some pretty funny stuff if you want to check it out.

PPP is insinuating that Obama has taken a fairly decent lead in Ohio, putting them closer with the sizable lead shown by Quinnipiac as opposed to Rasmussen and SurveyUSA which show a tie.

by Blazers Edge on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:31:21 PM EST

Re: Off-topic but about Jerome Armstrong (2.00 / 0)

That's hilarious.

by rfahey22 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:56:39 PM EST
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Re: Off-topic but about Jerome Armstrong (none / 0)

That's hilarious, but are you sure they're fake? "I am the consummate political insider" sounds real to me.

*meh*

by failsafe on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 04:23:47 AM EST
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Hell? (none / 0)

According to Ace, Sarah said:
"There's a special place in hell for women who don't support women."
Did you hear that?

by bilby on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 11:06:34 PM EST

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