Joe The Plumber Loses Fox News

You know something's screwy when Fox News is defending Barack Obama against smears by "Joe" the "plumber."

At an RNC event for John McCain in Ohio earlier today, Joe "the plumber" Wurzelbacher was confronted by a man in the crowd who asserted that "a vote for Obama would be a vote for the death to Israel."

Joe's response:

Actually I'll go ahead and agree with you on that one...I agree with you, I really think that would be a problem.

Certainly the McCain campaign denounced this baseless slur against Obama right away, right? Not quite. In a statement, McCain/Palin spokesman Jeff Sadosky said:

While he's clearly his own man, so far Joe has offered some penetrating and clear analysis that cuts to the core of many of the concerns that people have with Barack Obama's statements and policies...

For a look at just the sort of clear analysis they're talking about, you have to see this Fox News interview in which Shepard Smith tried three times to get an answer out of Wurzelbacher as to why he believes "a vote for Obama is a vote for the death to Israel." Wurzelbacher, of course, had no reason (although he did incoherently spew the McCain talking point BS claiming that Obama wants to meet unconditionally with America's enemies) but instead tried to hide his ignorance behind a call for people to find out for themselves.

"...I just want to push it back on your listeners to go out there and find out why I would agree with something like that."

And...

"Listen, I know you wanna really get some answers on this one, I'm just not gonna help you out here, Shepherd. Let people go out and find, that's what I've been telling people."

And...

"I'm sorry, Shepard, I'm not trying to be dancing around this, I honestly want people to go out and find their own reasons...Go out and get informed, that's the biggest pitch I have for people."

It's disgusting the way the McCain campaign is desperately exploiting this guy to appeal to the lowest common denominator; indeed, in the process, Joe has revealed himself to be the very walking talking breathing embodiment of the lowest common denominator that McCain/Palin need to win next week. And the way they're doing it -- casting Joe as a product of the American heartland and as someone who represents "real" American values -- is particularly pernicious. To his credit, Shepard Smith isn't buying it and in fact pushed back aggressively on the mis-information Joe was spreading:

I just want to make this 100% perfectly clear. Barack Obama has said repeatedly and demonstrated repeatedly that Israel will always be a friend to the United States no matter what happens once he becomes President of the United States. His words. Umm, the rest of it...man...some things...it just gets frightening sometimes.

You gotta watch it (h/t Think Progress):

Predictably, the Freepers are up in arms, one guy calling Smith "in the tank for Obama." His rant ends with this unintentionally observant comment:

Shep at the end was indignant....like Joe was some back woods hick.

Yeah...and?



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Re: Joe The Plumber Loses Fox News (2.00 / 2)

It's disgusting the way the McCain campaign is desperately exploiting this guy to appeal to the lowest common denominator"

No..that guy IS the lowest common denominator and  he's relishing all of this.


by Lodgemannered on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:46:27 PM EST

Re: Joe The Plumber Loses Fox News (2.00 / 4)

he is the lowest common denominator incarnate, you're right, but the way they're letting him go out and hang himself the way he is, make a fool of himself...I have contempt for Joe, sure, but far worse is the cynicism and almost cruelty of the McCain campaign to use him the way they are.


by Todd Beeton on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:49:45 PM EST
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I heard Joe is thinking of running for congress... (2.00 / 2)

He seems to political be basically a dittohead.

Sounds like an afternoon on the Rush Limballs show when he talks.

Does anyone know about the district he is in?

Is that gonna play? If it's that hard right, who's the congress critter now?

The other factor is, I know this type of guy, he's got to have some other skeletons in his closet besides back taxes.

Sounds like, if I was the Democrat in that district, wouldn't mind running against Joe.


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by WashStateBlue on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:47:17 PM EST

heard Joe is thinking of running for congress... (2.00 / 2)

pls pls pls let that be true


by Todd Beeton on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:50:41 PM EST
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Re: heard Joe is thinking (2.00 / 2)

Actually I'm really hoping for Palin/Plumber 2012

Or will they run as President/Plumber?


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by January 20 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:30:38 PM EST
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Re: I heard Joe is thinking of running for congres (2.00 / 2)

Sam "Joe" the "Plumber" lives in Ohio's 9th district, currently held by Marcy Kaptur.

The district includes Toledo and Sandusky, which is the famous home of Callahan Auto Parts.


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by dannybauder on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:09:02 PM EST
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Re: Joe The Plumber Loses Fox News (2.00 / 3)

Joe the Plumber isn't much different from Sarah the Moose Hunter.

Just a couple of egotistical half-wits thrown up by McCain to feed the Repub base.


by Bush Bites on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:11:10 PM EST

the cracker needs to go to school (1.75 / 4)

Here is the problem with the GOP...intellectually incurious and rabble-rousing demagogues. If this idiot is the symbol of the Republican party, god help us all.

Also John McCain should really be running for the Grand Marshall of the KKK. That job is better suited for him now.


by tarheel74 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:20:49 PM EST

Re: the cracker needs to go to school (2.00 / 3)

Sadly for John, I suspect even the KKK woudn't want him...

The far right loathes McCain truth be known, you will notice the real idiots are mostly at the Palin rallies.

I know McCain is out of control now, but I think the 2000 John McCain, who was smeared for Bridget his adopted daughter MIGHT regret this later, but right now, he is the sad end of his Don Quitoxe dream of the WH coming to a close in one week.


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by WashStateBlue on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:25:38 PM EST
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Re: the cracker needs to go to school (none / 0)

1 Rated for the racial slur. There is no reason for that.


by dtaylor3 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 11:34:58 AM EST
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Re: the cracker needs to go to school (2.00 / 1)

you're right. That was uncalled for.


by tarheel74 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:31:33 PM EST
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Re: Joe The Plumber Loses Fox News (2.00 / 2)

These are John's last days, and he's not going quietly.  I guess he may think there is still a chance to steal the election, by voter intimidation and by bringing up the 'fear' card, and by trying to convince Jewish voters that Barack doesn't support the state of Israel.  and even if that brings him no voters and loses him some, it will give a 'reason' why the exit polls may not match with the 'outcome,' and cover up those machines that may be programmed to switch votes out of sight and without a trail.

But that's harder now, with the big sweep coming up, they would have had to plan ahead and get something in place even in the usual pug states, the landslide that may happen (fingers crossed) may make election fraud unlikely to tip it for John.

This is what Sarah has been saying too, the I love Israel and glad to hear that you do too, not, is a blatant attempt to cause fear in older Jewish voters.  I don't think it will work.  


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by anna shane on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:22:42 PM EST

Re: Joe The Plumber Loses Fox News (2.00 / 2)

Totally agree. Dosen't  "a vote for Obama is a vote for the death to Israel" remind you of a certain "mushroom cloud" scenario Bush described in a speech he made 7 years ago? Really sad how Republicans have so slipped their moorings that the only way they can win anymore is by turning anyone who will listen into a cowering wimp.


by phoenixdreamz on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:58:06 PM EST
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Re: Joe The Plumber Loses Fox News (2.00 / 1)

well, they really do have nothing to run on, it's not just a slogan invented by Hillary, it's truth.  


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by anna shane on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:59:59 PM EST
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Could be a result of yesterday. (2.00 / 2)

Yesterday an assasination attempt on Obama was thwarted and Bill Burton went on Fox to call them out for being in the tank for McCain.

Fox might be trying to prove that they're not as conservative as we claim (an effort which will last all of about five minutes, but still), and there may be some actual concern about the results of the hate speech on the right.


by djtyg on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:28:17 PM EST

Re: Joe The Plumber Loses Fox News (2.00 / 4)

Firstly, Senator Obama has never said he would meet with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. the President of Iran, and it is a sorry reflection on the insularity and ignorance of the American public, and punditry, that this assumption has become popular mythology.  As I have been attempting to point out for over a year the head-of-state of Iran is the Supreme Leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, with whom Putin met when he had head-of-state talks in Tehran last October.  Please, let's get this straight.  Biden made this distinction in the VP debate and it was lost on most commentators.

Secondly, the choice of Joe the Plumber as spokesperson and wedge surrogate is the height of wing-nuttery and desperate strategy.  It is an embarrassment to the political process as anyone listening to this fool can discern, he is a 'flat tax' Limbaugh conservative who is as dishonest as he is misinformed and offers nothing more than polemic parody to the political discourse to the merriment of progressives and the fidgeting discomfort of conscious conservatives.

Finally, it is gratifying to note the growing tendency of Fox to walk-back from the abyss they have brought us to over the past decade.  Screw them, to be sure, but the harsh reality of the political landscape they are facing, indeed have been pioneers in creating, has obviously focussed what passes for the minds of their editorial management to negotiate the minefield they face during the impending majority Democratic administration.  Kudos to the Obama campaign for taking them on from the beginning and threatening diminished access as quid pro quo for mindless ranting.  Tough times ahead I'm hoping.  We may lose more than one mad hatter conservative demagogue in the process, the sooner the better.

And as for the future of the wing-nut Right, the remaining partisans at Fox, in allegiance with the likes of Joe and the ignorant, xenophobic, white Palin 'rump' of the Republican party are our best guarantee of a generation of government I can possibly imagine.  We shall enjoy this pandemic virus plaguing the reconstruction of their party for years to come.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:40:45 PM EST

McCain's Campaign (2.00 / 4)

Joe the Plumber, Lipstick on a Pig, and a thousand iterations of "My friends! My friends!"

Yea, that ship sunk.


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by BPK80 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:45:55 PM EST

Re: Joe The Plumber Loses Fox News (2.00 / 4)

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, unlicensed 'plumber', has a tax lien on his house, lied about himself to try to trip up Obama and experienced a major FAIL, grabbed up by McPoopyPants' genius campaign and made the epitome of the "average McCainiac" is - in the final analysis- a fucktard of epic proportions....

Seriously - the shitbird was able to outrage FUX NEWS for goodness sakes!


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by QTG on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:48:02 PM EST

Joe can penetrate the mass of grease (2.00 / 3)

In my sink drain.  It's sad and pathetic that once-serious political party centers an October campaign on some nimrod named "Joe the Plumber."  Six days and they can all wallow in their despair -- while we dance!


by Tangie3 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:50:39 PM EST

Re: Joe can penetrate the mass of grease (2.00 / 4)

Jim Morin / Miami Herald (October 24, 2008)


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:54:54 PM EST
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syndicated business columnist Rhonda Abrams (2.00 / 5)

had this to say about Joe the Plumber in her latest column, which is in the USA Today and a bunch of other newspapers (including the Des Moines Register):

http://www.rgj.com/article/20081028/COL2 6/810280321/1129/BIZ

This week, I intended to write my election-year evaluation of the presidential candidates and small-business issues. When, wham! Suddenly a guy named "Joe the Plumber" entered the arena.

Joe took center stage during the final presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama to discuss how small businesses will fare under the policies of each, and the McCain campaign refers to "Joe the Plumber" in stump speeches.

Please don't have Joe or his boss represent small business. Joe isn't licensed in Ohio, and it appears his boss is violating the law by employing Joe. Joe has a lien against him for failure to pay income tax.

So, move over, Joe. And let those of us who run honest small businesses hear what the candidates are going to do for us.


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:31:24 PM EST

Shepard Smith is not representative of FOX News (2.00 / 2)

Shepard Smith clearly seems more at ease when doing his snappy highlights newscast in the evening. I do not know how moderate he is, but at least he seems to have a BS meter ticking inside him, something sorely lacking in 90% of the FOX staff.


by Pravin on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 09:19:41 PM EST

Shepard and Katrina (2.00 / 3)

Let's not forget Shepard was the FOX guy who was disturbed by the incompetence and negligence during the Katrina incident.


by Pravin on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 09:21:08 PM EST


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