The Guano Bath

It's time to begin referring to the Republican Party by more accurate terminology. For example, as the White Nativist bloc of a former British colony. People who claim against all sense and reason that they're the only "real" representatives of their migrant-saturated current homeland, while glossing over both their cruelty and fear with a dreamy sentimentality.

That might sound harsh, but seems far more polite than pointing out that they've become the storm drain catchment for every batsh_t, nihilistic bigot left orphan by the dissolution of the American Independent Party.

Given that, one thing was certain as far back as the point in the Democratic primary when it was clear that either Clinton or Obama was going to be the nominee: we were going to see peaks of wingnuttery this cycle that would make us alternately cringe, gape, and boggle. Oh, the optimism.

But they've learned some lessons since the last time they got their guano on. For one thing, you do not want this guy to be the main face of your party while you're doing it ...

Way better to transmit your not-too-subtle message about how citizenship is only for (virginal or married) straight, White, rural, conservative, Bible-believing* Christian through the mouth of some sexy Puritan. And listen to them go, laying down the law about who gets to be a real American:

Not that all your spokespeople can be expensively styled women. At some point, you run out. Then your motivating principles still have to pass the old White guy test. It goes a little something like this: if an unremarkable old White guy says in public what your core following believes in private, does it make him sound like your favorite uncle or like some dubious, overcoated stranger pitching the candy in his pockets?

Eventually, people like this pick up on your message. A message that, as voting patterns can attest, has already gotten through loud and clear to everyone offended by the demonization of US citizens who are non-White and non-Christian:

But having partially plumbed their lunacy, a question remains: When your voting majority and much of your leadership consists of those xenophobic White people who believe the government shouldn't meddle in personal matters like mass transit, civil liberties, municipal water supplies, universal childhood education and bridge repair, can your party be called a coalition anymore?

They invited the crazy in themselves, they drove away anyone who thought "f___ you, and the horse you rode in on" was a bad political platform, they're going to have to make it stop. The hard part is wanting to, and I hope they manage it. Because they're as American as anyone else, and they're making the rest of us look bad.

Until then, they really need a long time out.

* Seriously, wtf does "Bible-believing" mean in the context of talking about people who identify as Christian? Is there some sect of Christianity I haven't heard of that rejects the Bible as a fraud? If someone insisted on calling themselves a Koran-believing Muslim, or a Veda-believing Hindu, I think you'd look at them kind of funny. And they'd deserve it.



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... wtf does "Bible-believing" mean in the context of talking about people who identify as Christian?

"Bible-believing" might mean one who takes a literalist interpretation of Scripture, e.g. many fundamentalist Christians.  

Many Christians, including but not limited to mainline Protestants and Roman Catholics, do not officially believe in Biblical literalism.

So, I think that's what this might mean.  I could very well be wrong, however.


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by matty fred on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 12:18:09 AM EST

I think you are right (2.00 / 1)

I read some Christian conservative "mommy blogs," and when they say Bible believing, I think this is what they mean.


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by desmoinesdem on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 12:22:21 AM EST
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Meh (none / 0)

It still sounds hostile, like an implied insult to other Christians who don't describe themselves that way or are from other denominations.


by Natasha Chart on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 04:17:18 AM EST
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It IS hostile. (2.00 / 1)

But what can one expect? They've got no doctrine, no liturgy, no priesthood. None of the markers by which Christianity was recognized as a religion for what, the first 1700 years or so?

The Bible is all they have, so it's only natural they make a cult out of it.


by Sadie Baker on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 07:00:35 AM EST
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Re: It IS hostile. (none / 0)

First I could roll around in this diary all day like a hound dog in roadkill.

Sadie, AMEN! My wife and I have a similar convo a lot on this subject. I'm an increasingly impatient atheist (I know! No better than an evangelical but what can I do?) and my lovely wife has a deep and nourishing personal faith in Jesus but finds her calling and morals represented politically by the big D platform and worldview, so bless her.

Her friends from the christian college she graduated from are not so much in line with her pov so we have been able to see the divide widen and widen over the past 10 or so years. Sadie, you are very much correct in your assessment, at least how we see it, in that the hardliners use vague code like "godly leader" and "share my morals" without being able to articulate what they mean by those statements. And more and more they point to the bible as fact. My wife has used the term "blind leading the stupid" more than once.

Off-topic, but the best conversations from a mixed marriage like ours center around passing faith to our three children, especially when my 5yo comes home singing songs about JC bleeding to death for his dirty sins! Yeeeoooow!


by JerryColorado23 on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 10:44:03 AM EST
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To a Catholic (devout or lapsed/fallen like me), an Orthodox Christian or a moderate Protestant, the extreme "Bible-believing" Christians just look like oddities.  "The Bible" was the product of the Church, not the other way around; "the Church" (i.e. the collective of various Christian churches) existed for centuries before the earliest preliminary canons were formed by Christian scholars like Origen and Irenaeus.  

To this day, disputes exist within Christendom about the holiness or canonicity of various books.  But try to find a fundamentalist Christian who can provide you the foregoing basic paragraph of Biblical and Church history.  They and their preachers are so often militantly ignorant of history available at almost any county or town public library.  Then again, since I had the fortunate of a Jesuit education in high school before I fell/lapsed, maybe I am just a bigoted old fool.


by Crablaw on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 12:31:56 AM EST

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Don't some more liberal branches of Christianity not believe in any of that stuff?  Unitarians, Universalists, something like that?  I don't really know my denominations.  I'm a NON-Bible-believing Jew.  I dance with the Torah on Simchat Torah (well, I was there when people were dancing, which totally counts!), but I definitely don't believe a word of what's inside it or the rest of the Jewish Bible.  I think Christians may often draw a harder line there, but there you go.  Jewish, total atheist.


by mauro7inf on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 01:36:57 AM EST

I was thinking about that (none / 0)

... especially because I've had some long conversations on the matter with a Jewish atheist I knew in Seattle. But I think the difference is that being Jewish is also an ethnicity, whereas Christianity isn't.

A formerly Christian atheist who never goes to church and doesn't claim any faith, but still celebrates Christmas and Easter with their relatives like they've done since they were a kid, you're really not Christian at that point, even if you were raised that way.


by Natasha Chart on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 04:07:13 AM EST
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It depends on what you mean by (none / 0)

"any of that stuff." Traditional Christians are more like Jews, they do not read the Bible literally. When Jesus said "I am a door," he probably did not mean he was a large, square piece of wood.

Evangelicals are another story. They are not the only flavor of Christian that there is, they just think they are.

Unitarian Universalists are not Christians, they are congregations in which people are encouraged to follow their own path.


by Sadie Baker on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 07:13:46 AM EST
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Oh, also, it's probably useful to point out that recent video showing the anti-Muslim bigoted being kicked out of a McCain rally for his bigotry.  Never mind that the campaign official who emphasized that his bigotry was unwelcome was not allowed by the campaign to be interviewed on CNN (lest McCain appear non-bigoted?), but there you go, at least it's a good sign.


by mauro7inf on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 01:39:26 AM EST

Great diary (none / 0)

We Americans keep going around in the same circle until we eventually bite ourselves on the ass again. I hope and pray that three months from now we will have a bright light that shines from DC into all the dark nooks where these vermin plot their schemes to hoodwink America and steal its wealth for themselves.


by Spiffarino on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 01:49:45 AM EST

The AIP is alive and, well... (none / 0)

   No, not the Alaskan Independence Party. Here in CA the AIP exists because they get a lot of people registering into the party that think they are registering "independent" which in Californian political jargon is called "decline to state". The existence of the AIP (and its split from the national Constitution Party this year) leads to my favorite Presidential Fun Fact: Did you know that three of the six candidates on the ballot in CA are Black? Yes indeed, we have Barack Obama who will win here, Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party and Alan Keyes, carrying the banner of the American Independent Party.  Yes, the party founded for the segregationist George Wallace is now running an African-American dude. Keyes has the valuable experience of having already lost to Obama (in the 2004 Senate race)...


by Zack from the SFV on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 03:50:11 AM EST

Whimper (none / 0)

One should never underestimate any population's reserves of crazy.


by Natasha Chart on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 04:01:23 AM EST
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Let's just be intellectually honest and call them the Native American Party (you know, the Know Nothings).  It's perfect because it works on so many levels.


by ProgressiveDL on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 07:52:09 AM EST

Erm ... (none / 0)

I don't think actual Native Americans would be all that thrilled. Just sayin'.


by Natasha Chart on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 03:11:57 PM EST
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That's obviously part of the joke.  It was the official title of the party we now all remember as the Know Nothings (their unofficial title).  They were virulently anti-immigration (well, anti-non-British immigration) in the 1840s and 1850s.


by ProgressiveDL on Sun Oct 26, 2008 at 09:37:11 PM EST
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The "Bible Believing" refers to a belief in "inerrancy" of the literal Biblical interpretation.

This really is the fundamentalists telling all the other Christians that they are not good Christians.  Main stream denominations have not fought back against these attacks, preferring instead to concentrate on a positive message.  However the US (Bible Believers) Vs Them (everyone else (but symbolized by every left-wing radical stereotype imaginable straw man)) is part of what gives them cohesion.


by bakho on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 08:59:50 AM EST

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I have NEVER donated to a political campaign outside my state, with the exception of this year.  I have donated to Barack Obama's campaign several times this year, as I could afford it.  I am disabled and a senior citizen.  

Listening to Congressman Hays made me furious.  Maybe because I lived in North Carolina for a time, maybe because we all get to the point where we say ENOUGH! I went online and donated to Hays' Democratic Congressional opponent.

It is TIME we take back our country.  There are many good people, Christian, other faith, or with no established faith in the country.  We are ALL American's.  I feel like asking all these conservative right wing nuts who died and made them God!


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by lilaruby on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 11:40:50 AM EST

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Did any one else notice on the head of the Obama "ghost" a star of David?  

Check out the very last video again.  


by PensiveGadfly on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 12:42:01 PM EST

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"Bible believing" in the context of a Christian means someone who practices the faith in a, shall we say, spiritual manner. There are millions of people who self-identify as "Christian" who may go to Church once a year and don't believe the Bible. Same with Jews. "Christian" or "Jew" (or for that matter, "Muslim") can be used as more of a social or cultural identifier than a religious one.

Seriously, this is a juvenile, intellectually arrogant, silly little diary, and the author should be embarrassed by it. I don't know how many Republicans folks here know, but I know many, and they are mostly decent people who just happen to be wrong about politics, about which they don't think very much (like just about everyone). They're also emotionally tired, and deeply disappointed by Bush and the other newfangled "conservatives" (like Michelle Bachmann) they've been asked to support. They are decidely NOT all racists. In fact, very few are (probably about as many or more Democrats are, too). And as soon as the national party gets the message about the kinds of people they nominate, they will be winning a whole lot more.

I'm as liberal and Democratic as they come, but I gotta say, 3rd-grade stuff like this is really no better than Michelle Bachmann's style of division. We as a country are in no position to cast aspersions on any of our citizens. A house divided on itself still doesn't stand if the (temporarily) bigger half consists of the good guys.


by ColoradoGuy on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 01:16:10 PM EST

Five Republican leaders (none / 0)

First, I didn't say that all Republicans are like this. I specifically did say that their most reliable voting bloc is made up of a narrow class of xenophobes who believe that "real" America is a White Christian nation and the rest of it doesn't count. People like that are drawn to the party and are welcomed by it - and I didn't do it.

Second, I linked to an instance of Republicans telling people like that to back off.

Third, because I waited to post this for a couple days past when I started writing it, I ended up being able to include not 2, not 3, but 5 quotes of elected Republican officials making truly egregious, McCarthyite statements. Five. That's not an accident, it isn't an isolated incident, it's several Republicans from different states and party circles coming up independently with this sort of garbage.

After somewhere around 20 years of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and others so warmly embraced by leading Republicans, after the relentless takeover of their party by people who hold views that would be at home in the John Birch society, this isn't the Republican party of Eisenhower. Or even Nixon, who did a damn sight more for the environment than most Democrats even aspire to these days.

Their leadership has become reactionary, anti-science, and welcoming of all types of bigotry. It isn't that people aren't drawn to the party for other reasons, but that people are downright invited to it for bad ones.

The Southern Strategy worked. And now these poisonous and divisive views, ones amply represented in their primary, are being spouted by their vice-presidential standard bearer. If Republicans don't want to be identified with that, and believe it or not, I know a few myself, they need to take their party back from these wackos.


by Natasha Chart on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 03:10:40 PM EST
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