Village Comeuppance

Just a couple thoughts related to Todd's post below...

For years now, the online progressive movement has worked to hold the traditional media accountable and honest.

When Republicans tried to privatize Social Security, we beat up on the press for creating a false equality between the truth (SS is solvent for decades) and a lie (cat food tomorrow!1!!). And going back even further, the traditional media generally treated any Democrat who opposed Bush's war-making as an impotent weenie.

So I admit to experiencing cognitive dissonance watching McCain and his advisers attack the political media. On the one hand, it's ridiculous for Salter to accuse the media of putting a thumb on the scale for Obama - McCain can only blame himself for losing the media after he cut off their access and sequestered himself. And, you know, abandoned all his principles.

But on the other hand, I have no love for Andrew Sullivan or Joe Klein or anyone else ostracized by the McCain campaign. For years, Klein and Sullivan were some of the most prominent espousers of fact-free Village-think. And Sullivan still is largely wrong on the economy, if his recent 'personal responsibility' rant on Bill Maher is any indication.

So McCain's campaign looks ridiculous blaming the media for its downfall, and kicking members off the campaign plane is spiteful and immature. But can we find better representatives for journalistic freedom than Klein, Sullivan, and Dowd?



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I stand by Andrew Sullivan.. He's a good blogger if not journalist.. Took a stand in favor of Obama before any frontpager on MyDD.. does anyone remember Jerome's rantings about how if Obama would win the sky would fall??? At the very least people ought to recognize that Sullivan was the first mainstream blogger/journalist- and certainly the one with the biggest platform getting millions of hits per month- to actively side with Obama.. and it DID make a difference.

When you really think about Andrew Sullivan and the Huffington Post are all we have to go up against Sludge. You can't count Buzzflash.

I agree that Joe Klein and Dowd are hacks though. Its been sad to watch Klein's recent attempted rehabilitation... He's good at seeing which way the wind blows..I'll give him that..


by obama4presidente on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 01:01:45 PM EST

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If you have HBO, go back and watch Sullivan on Maher's show a few weeks back.


by Josh Orton on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 01:05:08 PM EST
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I don't but I will try to find it. Thanks.


by obama4presidente on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 01:05:50 PM EST
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Yep, just when you start to think, "Hey, maybe this guy's turning over a new leaf".  Bang!  Instant asshole.  Just add microphone.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 01:12:20 PM EST
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Agreed.  I've always liked Sullivan.  He's tempermental and fickle about some things, but I prefer that to ostrich-like consistency.  His critiques of modern conservatism, the Republican Party, and McCain/Palin are pretty trenchant.  And I instinctively like and respect the cautious kind of "conservatism of doubt" that he espouses--it assumes that we don't really know anything, and that conservatism is the necessary brake to the gas pedal of progressivism.

I think he was wrong on the war.  And I think he trusts too much in the Thatcherite enthusiasm of his youth for the market.  But he's (fairly) self-aware and, like obama4presidente writes, he was one of Obama's earlies supporters on the web.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 05:56:40 PM EST
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But can we find better representatives for journalistic freedom than Klein, Sullivan, and Dowd?

What'd I'd consider better journalists probably weren't allowed on the plane in the first place.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 01:10:34 PM EST


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