Barack Obama's Southern Strength

Public Policy Polling has an excellent analysis of Barack Obama's rising support in the South. Central to their report is a debunking of the conventional wisdom that it's mostly a function of higher than normal expected turnout among African-American voters. On the contrary, Obama's growing support among whites is making the most difference in his newfound strength in the South.

PPP looked at their own polling in Virginia (O+8), North Carolina (O+6) and Florida (O+3) for data. For the purposes of this post, I'm going to focus just on North Carolina.

First let's look at the increased turnout among black voters. In 2004, African-American turnout in North Carolina was 19% and Kerry won them 85-14; this year, PPP projects turnout will rise slightly to 21% and that Obama will win them 92-4. That gives Obama a net overall gain of 5% over Kerry's performance in 2004. But George Bush won the state by 12% 4 years ago, so for Obama to be ahead in North Carolina by 6% he has to have swung North Carolina a full 18 points over how Kerry performed. So where does that 13 extra points come from?

White voters. While PPP projects the white vote in NC will decrease as a percentage of the overall electorate from 78% in 2004 to 76% this year, Obama is doing 16 points better among this demographic than Kerry did (McCain is winning white NC voters 56-38 vs. Bush's 67-33 win in 2004.) PPP calculates this 16 point increase equates to a 13 point overall net gain for Obama.

PPP sums it up:

That's a 13 point reduction of the deficit for the Democrat among white voters compared to 2004. So while Obama's 5% increase from black voters is important, 2/3rds of his improved standing can be attributed to shifts in voting preferences among whites in North Carolina at this point.

It will probably come as little surprise to you what PPP finds is the reason for Obama's surge among the white vote in the South:

-Economy, Economy, Economy. Among white voters in North Carolina who list it as their top issue Obama is actually up 48-46. In Florida Obama has the same 48-46 lead with whites most concerned about the economy. In Virginia it's a 49-46 advantage. Even as Obama continues to trail by a good amount with whites overall in these states, he's winning with them on the issue foremost on voters' minds this year. There's not much doubt the economy is the main factor causing whites who voted Republican for President in 2004 to go Democratic this year. That is the single biggest factor driving his lead in the polls across the country right now.

I highly recommend reading the entire report, which has charts and detailed explorations of all three states.



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My sig line says it all.... (none / 0)

Come on, admit it.

Some stranger walks up to you a year and half ago and offers you 3-1 odds, and he is betting a black presidential candidate with a foriegn sounding name is potentially going to win NC, MO, ND, VA, and you take that bet, I take that bet, most political junkies figure that is easy money.

So, it's serendipitous to be at the right place at the right time, but it also helps that Axelrod ran a campaign that COULD sell message wise, if not messenger wise to the south?

I don't want to primary war any, but in hindsight, what kind of ads COULD McCain be running if Obama had voted against FISA?  

Now, do I hope THE DAY HE TAKES OFFICE, he changes that unconsitutional POS.  Sure, but, my take is, given he is competing in some stone cold red states, if you WOULD have handed that refinforcement to a McCain campaign claiming he is weak on terror by voting against FISA to go along with the Ayers smear?

I hated it, but he made the smart choice, GIVEN THE FACT he can change the rules with one signing of a Presidential Execuitive Order, and make survailance suponeas the law of the land again.


Rush Limbaugh, Sara Palin and Joe the Plumber...The Triad of Republican Irrelevancy.
by WashStateBlue on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 04:36:56 PM EST

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I had a friend with a PhD in history who said that George Wallace credited his success in Rust Belt states b/c at heart all Americans were Southerners.

Maybe electing Obama with Electoral Votes from Dixie will help us move past that unpleasantness in the 19th Century, South hating North and North hating South.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 05:28:46 PM EST
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I would have bet that he would win all those states a year ago.

I was forecasting an Obama landslide victory a year ago.   I'm not surprised at all.  Not in the least.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 05:45:51 PM EST
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That's way better then me, that's for sure... (none / 0)

Got a pick for next year's World Series?

Like to get a bet down soon....


Rush Limbaugh, Sara Palin and Joe the Plumber...The Triad of Republican Irrelevancy.
by WashStateBlue on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 05:51:52 PM EST
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Know absolutely nothing of sports.  Sorry.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 06:53:19 PM EST
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So much for the 'unelectability' argument.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 05:19:41 PM EST

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I was in southwestern Virginia this past week. This is usually solid GOP territory, and yes there were a lot of McCain yard signs, but also a fair number of Obama signs. The most amazing sight though was a trailer home with a confederate flag on their flagpole and an Obama sign in their yard.      


"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."
by fugazi on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 07:06:51 PM EST

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that image is hilarious. frigging hilarious.


by rikyrah on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 11:18:53 PM EST
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Hooray for Obama, but let's be honest.  Much of the gains in white support in these three states are from Northern Virginia, the Triangle/Triad, and southern Florida.  These places are not particularly "southern," they bear little resemblance to  Alabama, Mississippi, or South Carolina.  


by cat on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 07:48:03 PM EST

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Triad and Triangle do not represent NC.  No one should count on NC going for Obama


by NC Voter on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 04:53:22 PM EST


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