Delegate Count Update

by Todd Beeton, Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:41:09 AM EST

From First Read below find the delegates won tonight (plus the new delegate totals):

Democrats:

NHTotal
Clinton924
Obama925
Edwards418

Republicans:

NHTotal
McCain711
Romney421
Huckabee114
Thompson-8
Paul-4

[editor's note, by Todd Beeton]I deleted the incorrect First Read tidbit about 4 different people winning the first two contests. As Jonathan explains below:

This is the second time, not the first, that four different people won the Iowa and New Hampshire Republican and Democratic contests, with Dick Gephardt and Bob Dole winning Iowa and Michael Dukakis and George H.W. Bush winning New Hampshire (First Read incorrectly has Dukakis winning Iowa on their chart despite him coming in third in the contest behind Gephardt and Paul Simon).




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not true, right?  1988?  Dole Bush Gephardt Dukakis?  (Cribbing from talkingpointsmemo)


by tunesmith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:32:02 AM EST

What if Romney gets close seconds? (none / 0)

Does he win if they keep changing leaders?


by MNPundit on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:36:51 AM EST

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Good to put it in perspective.

Hillary certainly won more votes, but the delegates were still even.


by Jim Engler on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:37:02 AM EST

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Not even - Clinton has far more Super Delegates - which puts her way ahead


by DuncanB on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:40:22 AM EST
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Super Delegates are not held to who they are currently supporting however. A lot can change between now and then (including Edwards Superdelegates going to Obama or Clinton.) I do not know what the history of Super Delegates changing allegiances might be but I know that it is not out of the realm of possibility.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:47:10 AM EST
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"Super Delegates"?  What the heck is that?  It sounds like a powerup on Super Mario Brothers...  This primary system makes so little sense to me... can someone explain?

Thanks,

Mike


by lordmikethegreat on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:37:19 AM EST
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Superdelegates are elected officials or officials from the DNC. They are allowed to endorse anyone they want, hence, their delegate distribution is not governed by the actual outcome of voting. If there is a brokered convention, they can become a very powerful group of people.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:17:00 AM EST
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   There's also Wyoming.  Romney won that caucus.  That makes five different winners in five contests.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:39:11 AM EST

Obama's AHEAD of Hillary in NH with delegates (none / 0)

He scored a total of 12 per the CNN Delegate Scorecard, with Clinton getting 11 and Edwards at 4.  Remember, it's the 15% majority rule per precinct, PLUS the statewide vote results.  Thus the superdelegates come into play.

How ya like THEM apples?


Vote Who Sane '08!
by nafamabo on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:43:24 AM EST

Oh and the current superdelegate totals are... (none / 0)

Obama = 9 pledged plus 3 superdelegates
Clinton = 9 pledged plus 2 superdelegates
Edwards = 4 pledged plus 0 superdelegates

Richardson, Kucinich & Gravel earned zip.


Vote Who Sane '08!
by nafamabo on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:48:34 AM EST
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Re: Oh and the current superdelegate totals are... (none / 0)

Time for Richardson to drop out...

would absolutely love to see a three-person debate.

(I just wish Biden were still in - I think he would have done better than Richardson in NH... but maybe he couldn't afford it.)


by tunesmith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:50:44 AM EST
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Re: Obama's AHEAD of Hillary in NH with delegates (none / 0)

where are you getting that?


by Todd Beeton on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:49:07 AM EST
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Re: Obama's AHEAD of Hillary in NH with delegates (none / 0)

oh, ok, with superdelegates counted. I'm not counting them.


by Todd Beeton on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:49:44 AM EST
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can't super-delegates change their votes at any time?  And let's say that this goes all the way to the convention-- would the party actually be willing to let superdelegates swing the nomination to the candidate with less delegates from actual voters??


by bluedavid on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:53:12 AM EST

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If it came to that a deal would be worked out...and there is no way to guess at this point what the deal would be.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:42:14 AM EST
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Isn't the Republican counter completely wrong? (none / 0)

CNN and Time have completely different results than you guys. I still can't figure out where you're getting them.


by meekermariner on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:53:18 AM EST

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Delagates don't matter people it will never get that far. We are nominating SOMEBODY on feb. 5th and the loser will drop out and supprt the winner. Momentum will decide a clear winner on feb. 5th, it ends there. Except that John Edwards will not drop out and begin campaigning for 2012! He will immediatley get the endorsment of Mydd and DKos.


by ND1979 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:04:42 AM EST

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haha


by bluedavid on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:06:20 AM EST
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Please Please Please stop disparaging our candidates (and this is directed at everyone who seems to think they have the right.) All three of our candidates would make excellent Presidents (and certainly would make better Presidents than anyone the Repubs can offer.) It is time to come together people.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:18:38 AM EST
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Go Romney! Ride that Mormon train to the RNC convention!!


by werd2406 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:16:05 AM EST

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Yeah Mitt 2008 all the way!  ;)


by bluedavid on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:27:21 AM EST
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After Mitt's horrible showings in NH and Iowa, he is likely finished.  I now expect McCain to surge ahead in Michigan and possibly take South Carolina as well.


by Toddwell on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:46:00 AM EST
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let's hope not...


by bluedavid on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:03:05 AM EST
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I wouldn't say Romney did horrible in NH. I think everyone generally had a feeling he, McCain, would win NH and Michigan doesn't have a huge majority of far rigihtwingers so he gets some easy states in...then he'll have to compete against the other repubs for the support of the wackos and that's when it can get interesting. Frankly, I think Huckabee is still the front runner. With a race this wide open on the republicans side, who knows which way it will go.


by werd2406 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:06:50 AM EST
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Huckabee will win little besides a few deep South states.  


by Toddwell on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:15:37 AM EST
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If Romney can't win Michigan, where his family name is big, then it's going to be hard for him to win anywhere else.  So we ought to know pretty soon.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 02:19:07 AM EST
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Widget not updated (none / 0)

So, why hasn't the MyDD Nomination Delegate Counter been updated? Does someone on your site have to grab a calculator and throw a switch?

http://www.socialmedia.biz/2008/01/prima ry-delegat.html


by JD Lasica on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:27:52 AM EST

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I agree about the stakes for Romney in Michigan.  Do or die time.  If Michigan goes for Hillary, but the DNC doesn't seat the state's delegates then the whole thing is a bust for Hillary.  Some seem to think that they will be seated regardless, but I'm not sold on that yet.


Vote Who Sane '08!
by nafamabo on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 08:33:29 AM EST


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