CNN/WMUR NH poll: Tied and 13 back

These poll numbers (via email) are from semi-post-Iowa, during the night of Jan 4th and on Jan 5th, but it should be noted that only 52% of these persons polled have 'definitely decided who to vote for' on Jan 8th.

Democrats
               Now      Dec
Clinton        33       34
Obama          33       30 
Edwards        20       17
Richardson      4  
Kucinich        2 
All tied up, Obama should get a bit more of a bump, but it won't be Kerry-like. Obama just doesn't have the soft support that Kerry did in '04, ready to flock back to him, but instead has to win over supporters for the first time-- in 4 days. I expect that this above could closely reflect the final numbers. There are some interesting questions, first, asked who best represents "your values":
Obama           32
Clinton         28
Edwards         22
This is Edwards strongest card in all the questions, but it's not been a strong enough candidate narrative to become part of the overall campaign narrative. Next, who has the 'right experience to be President?'
Clinton         46
Obama           14
Edwards         13
Richardson       7
Clearly, Obama has not really changed the dynamic here even after Iowa, but as we'll see below, this question isn't the deciding factor either. Next, the 'most inspiring?'
Obama           60
Clinton         18
Edwards         13
Obama rules the world here. If I had to figure out a strategy for Clinton to go 'negative' on Obama, it would start with providing this mantle as given and then dismantle it as vacuous before their eyes. Next, the 'most likely to bring needed change to U.S.?'
Obama           41
Clinton         28
Edwards         16
Obama took the 'change' factor into his campaign early, and has led here ever since. Clinton, to me, looks sorta silly with the 'change' emphasis-- it plays into Obama's strength. Next, what is 'more important for your vote?'
Change          61
Experience      29
Clearly, this is the Edwards + Obama combo against Clinton working. Next, who has the 'best chance of beating the Republican nominee?'
              Now         Dec

Clinton       36          45
Obama         35          22
Edwards       12          16
That is really hurting Edwards, but for Obama, its a real breakthrough that he's now thought of as electable as Clinton-- an Iowa win is what made that happen. Now, for the Republicans:
Republicans     Now    Dec

McCain          33     29
Romney          27     29
Giuliani        14     12
Huckabee        11     10
Paul             9 
Hunter           1 
Thompson         1 
I think McCain will win, but Romney is celebrating his first victory tonight, from Wyoming. If McCain doesn't capture enough of the Independent vote from Obama, then he'll lose his frontrunner opportunity. Even a second by Romney is not going to be disastrous. There is little doubt that, at least on the Republican side and maybe also on the Democratic side, this is going to come down to a battle of delegates.

Update [2008-1-5 19:1:7 by Jerome Armstrong]: The Clinton team sends out a presser mocking Obama a bit, titled 'Where is the Bounce'?

Two polls that had the race within a few points before the Iowa caucuses have the race tied after the Iowa caucuses.

In today's CNN/WMUR poll, Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama are tied at 33 percent - their last two polls had Hillary up 4 points and before that had Hillary down 2 points, so there is no statistically significant change in their numbers before and after the Iowa caucuses.

And the Concord Monitor is out as well today with a poll showing the race at 33 percent for Hillary Clinton, 34 percent for Barack Obama and 23 percent for John Edwards – exactly the same margin as before Iowa.

Contrast that with the 17 points John Kerry gained in 2004 in the Boston Globe poll, which catapulted him from a 17-point deficit to a 20-point lead in New Hampshire after the Iowa caucuses. Or with the 7 points Al Gore gained in 2000 in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, increasing his lead in New Hampshire from 5 points to 18 points.

New Hampshire voters are fiercely independent. They will make their own decisions about who to support.

Here's the Concord Monitor poll showing an Obama 34/ Clinton 33/ Edwards 23/ Richardson 4 race. That's Edwards highest number thus far. He needs to break 20, I think, in the final NH result, to maintain viability. Richardson will likely be able to go through Nevada, where he will have to break out or fold.



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by CardBoard on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:00:38 PM EST

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The bounce generally peaks after 3-5 days after the event like the IA caucus,

Thus the peak of Obama's bounce will be from Subday through Tuesday before it would start to recede.


by BDM on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:08:08 PM EST
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I think ARG/Rass are likely more accurate.  ARG pegged NH in 04'.  Further, how are pollsters suppose to poll Obama voters?  You can't just cold call citizens, but you can no longer depend on voter rolls.  The internals of the CNN poll, as seen above, favor Obama heavier than the tie the poll suggest.  I think it likely that CNN is making the same mistake that everyone other than DMR did in Iowa


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by CardBoard on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:11:26 PM EST
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Bounce, did you say? That bounce should be seen in Kusinich's numbers, a protest vote on his exclusion, unfortunately, an exclusion of the only Democratic candidate running.

What has the Democratic party come to when it is voting between a group of DINOs, Republicans Lites, who have lost their way. The Democratic party is about people not corporations, and that perspective began with the New Deal. Okay so it ended with Johnson. Does that mean the Democratic party was over. Only Clinton argued that demise, and I hope that his surrogate candidate, Hillary, suffers her own demise for following her dick husband.


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by shergald on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:38:12 PM EST
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I think Hillary will win this baby and keep this election from the GOP. But the Clinton surrogates, the Unions and supporters, have got to start getting fierce with Obama.

The GOP will not hold any punches. Why should we not test Obama first to see if he can stand the upcoming GOP onslaught?


by moi moi on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:06:03 PM EST

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What are these groups waiting for?


by lonnette33 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:09:51 PM EST
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Lonnette, I have no idea. I think team Clinton got to focussed on the general election and the GOP, and was diverted from the primary challenge.

By the way, did you read my dairy on The Trap Set for Hillary? What did you think?


by moi moi on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:24:45 PM EST
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Loved it! I always enjoy your diaries. I rec'd it.


by lonnette33 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:44:23 PM EST
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If Hillary wins the nomination -- THAT will give the election to the GOP. No other factor besides Hillary Clinton could work the right into a lather determined to vote against the Democrat. Obama, on the other hand, is demonstrating that he has a broad appeal to independents, Democrats and even moderate Republicans.


by Oregonian on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:55:23 PM EST
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I respectively disagree with your opinion. Obama is our weakest candidate. We just have different opinions of this election.


by moi moi on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:05:12 PM EST
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Re: CNN/WMUR NH poll: Tied and 13 back (2.00 / 1)

once more, Penn proves himself an idiot, both by ignoring two big poll bounces, and by citing a 2004 Globe poll before a 2008 Globe polls comes out. I would expect it to appear tomorrow. We'll see how that works out.


by along on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:06:15 PM EST

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Not bad numbers for Edwards.


by lonnette33 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:09:06 PM EST

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If Hillary did not contest Iowa, Edwards would have won it. It would be a Clinton/Edwards contest now. Edwards is a very skillful candidate and both he and Hillary could win the general election.


by moi moi on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:26:20 PM EST
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Going to be close, but even a close McCain win makes him the favorite for the nomination.

Obama should win, but he needs to debate better.


by mikelow1885 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:28:18 PM EST

Post Caucus polls (none / 0)

Real Clear Politics has the Rasmussen, ARG and Concord Monitor polls taken exclusively after the Iowa caucus. The Zogby and Suffolk polls were both a combination of 2 days before and 1 day after.

The average of the 3 polls:

   Obama 36.6%
    Clinton 28.6%
    John Edwards 20.3%
    Bill Richardson 5%


by sndeak on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:30:58 PM EST

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/democratic_primaries.html


by sndeak on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:31:58 PM EST
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Re:Donna Brazille (none / 0)

Nobody has said this is over....not anyone with a lick of sense anyway.

Donna Brazille also stated the other night that African-Americans through the years has lifted  the party and now it is good to see the Democratic party lifting up the African-American candidate.


by sndeak on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:34:58 PM EST

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Many have sndeak. I think you better go back the re-read the threads.


by lonnette33 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:47:15 PM EST
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Like I said....not anyone with a lick of sense anyway.


by sndeak on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:59:51 PM EST

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Clinton team mocks Obama?

When I hear last gasps so early in the campaign, like the new shibboleth, "READY", I am ready myself to say, all right already, it is not working.


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by shergald on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:02:59 PM EST

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I am surprised by the Edwards numbers to be quite frank.


by bruh21 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:38:09 PM EST


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