new Gallup numbers: dogfight for dem nom

Congratulations to the msm and the obama spin machine.  New gallup numbers show

this to be a dead heat.

http://www.gallup.com

Clinton 43
Obama 39

(I still don't understand why the 2 way choice is so low, but I'll accept it for now) I suspect that the race is leaning more like 9 points towards Clinton but either way:

I welcome the challenge to destroy this "fairytale" once again.

Hillary Clinton is under an unprecedented assault by people with an unknown agenda.  What we do know is that they are totally capable of abandoning democrats during the GE.

We as Clinton supporters will win by demonstrating our ability to stay focused on during what's best for the America people.

That's a democrat in the white house.

That's Hillary Clinton.

Tonight,
Round 1



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Re: new Gallup numbers: dogfight for dem nom (none / 0)

The momentum is clearly on Obama's side. Clinton's support seem's stagnant. The below is what Gallup said:

The latest Democratic numbers show Hillary Clinton with a 43% to 39% advantage over Barack Obama among Democratic voters nationwide. That 4-point lead is the narrowest since early January, and it is a continuation of gains by Obama. The impact of John Edwards' exit from the Democratic race is less clear. Wednesday night's numbers (the first with Edwards excluded from the ballot) show no clear indication that either candidate is benefiting disproportionately. Clinton and Obama will debate in California tonight, which could affect Democrats' support for the two candidates going into the weekend before Super Tuesday's primaries and caucuses. -- Jeff Jones

methoddology: Gallup is interviewing 1,000 U.S. adults nationwide each day during 2008. The results reported here are based on combined data from Jan. 28-30, 2008, including interviews with 1,020 Republican and Republican-leaning voters and 1,286 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters. For results based on these samples, the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points. In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.


by BDM on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:12:09 PM EST

Re: new Gallup numbers (none / 0)

I truly believe that voters are becoming cognizant of the fact that, as in the 90s, the Clintons are beholden to special interests and that is why the Republicans are now being forced to retreat into oblivion. Government by corporation is not what people want. It is benefitting the wealthy but killing the middle class (not to mention the poor).

Government "for the people" will not return with another Clinton administration. Hillary defends her Corporatism and people are listening.


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by shergald on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:28:07 PM EST
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People won't roll the dice on Obama (none / 0)

I don't believe it.  No matter how hard the media trys to jamp him down our throats.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:12:25 PM EST

Re: People won't roll the dice on Obama (2.00 / 1)

When you are so invested emotionally in a candidate, it is hard to be objective.


by BDM on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:13:37 PM EST
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Re: People won't roll the dice on Obama (none / 0)

When I look at a not yet one full term junior Senator with no real accomplishments to his name, other than running for office, I think voters will be concerned with his ability in these tough times.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:27:56 PM EST
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It's hard to believe the media (none / 0)

let it get this far.

Obama is not qualified.  Were he not an A.A. he wouldn't have a shot. That is the truth.

Here's how a senator becomes qualified:

1. get elected.

  1. do a great job.
  2. get re-elected as republicans try to discredit you.

Re-election is fundamentally different than election because you have to DEFEND YOURSELF and your RECORD.  We get to see if you are tough.

Obama STILL hasn't been in a GENERAL ELECTION.

But Hillary will ignore the media, and he's about to be in one now.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:31:01 PM EST
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And hope, right (2.00 / 1)

Hope nothing tough like 9/11 happens when you are out doing the "vision" thing or doing a photo up, and "delagating" the "paper work" to your Chief of Staff, who can "take care of that."

Obama view of the Presidency is almost child like.  It resembles Bush warped view of the postion of Chief Executive.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:36:28 PM EST
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Re: new Gallup numbers: dogfight for dem nom (none / 0)

Poll was taken on JAN 28-30TH tHIS IS A ROLLING 3 DAY POLL OR TRACKING POLL.

Tomorrow you will see the number's from Jan-29-31st.


by BDM on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:16:51 PM EST

Re: new Gallup numbers: dogfight for dem nom (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton is under an unprecedented assault by people with an unknown agenda. What we do know is that they are totally capable of abandoning democrats during the GE.

Don't confuse Hillary Clinton and the GOP-lite DLC with the Democratic Party.

Derailing a presumptuous coronation isn't "an unprecedented assault."

OTOH, dismantling the traditional Dem coalition with thinly veiled racist tactics IS detrimental to the Democratic Party.


by Southern Patriot on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:21:01 PM EST

first of all (2.00 / 1)

there's a hit piece in the nytimes. A PAPER THAT ENDORSED HER.

all of the right-wing is attacking HIllary as if Obama is Joe Lieberman and would be better them.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE MSM that sort of support hillary:

pat buchanan(hard to believe)
craig crawford

EVERYONE ELSE has OBAMA FEVER.

You have a whole group of voters (African Americans) who are issuing implied threats about not supporting HRC is she gets the nod, and trying to shame people like me (an a.a.) to support Obama in this "historic opportunity".

Enough said.

This is worthy of the Presidency, so I expect HRC to dominate. I'm going to do my part.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:25:16 PM EST
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Re: new Gallup numbers: dogfight for dem nom (none / 0)

You are right, crying racist at every turn was a disgusting tactic.


by manny on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:25:41 PM EST
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I'm glad that you agree... (none / 0)

...that WJC's attempt to marginalize Obama as "the Black candidate" was disgusting.

The African-American community recognized it and won't forget.

Obama knew from the beginning that he couldn't allow his candidacy to be pigeon-holed by identity politics (which the Clintons play exquisitely when it suits).

So don't try to pretend that HE'S the one who played the race card.
by Southern Patriot on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 04:46:47 PM EST
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Re: I'm glad that you agree... (none / 0)

What I agree on is that Obama's supporters painted him as the black candidate by accusing Hillary of race baiting.  Audacious indeed in light of the earlier gay baiting he pulled.


by manny on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 07:45:42 PM EST
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I believe the numbers (none / 0)

it is almost impossible for the msm not swing poll numbers when they move together.

BUT

I think the undecideds and many who are not likely voters disporportionately go towards Hillary.

You have to know that it is 100% easier to be for Obama than Hillary right now.

Take a look at the politicians who endorse.  Obama supporters get royal treatment.

This carries over to the public.  It will be defeated by tues. but it is real today:

for example:

if ted kennedy had endorsed hillary:

"Look at the old democratic party with their last gasps"

but

kennedy endorses Obama,

"the torch has been passed"

I kid you you not.

and do you notice no shots at Kennedy from the right? about chappaquiddic? about womanizing? about drunkenness? old-fashioned?

I'm still going for the knockout on Tuesday.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:21:05 PM EST

Re: I believe the numbers (none / 0)

And if you're wrong, will you blame the voters again?


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by X Stryker on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:52:54 PM EST
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Re: new Gallup numbers: dogfight for dem nom (none / 0)

"Hillary Clinton is under an unprecedented assault by people with an unknown agenda. What we do know is that they are totally capable of abandoning democrats during the GE."

I assume that you're talking about the punditocracy here?  If so, I would caution against approaching all news stories with the axiom that the authors/editors have a hidden agenda which is somehow counter to your life philosophy.  Remember, Obama also has a lot of support within the Democratic party by people who absolutely will not abandon Progressive principles in the general election.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:34:58 PM EST

Obama (none / 0)

is being supported by so many mainstream dems preceisely because of the msm coverage,

and

it's an easy chance to cozy up to the black vote.

If you're a moderate like Clair mckaskil or others and you know many of your policies are that "progressive".  What better way to declare you are on the side of A.A., than by supporting Obama over Hillary?

Plus you get free media attention.

Notice how no one says, "he's the most qualified because" and lists his issues, his experience, or how he's going to get something important done?

People see this as a free shot against the Clintons.

Were I them.  I'd take names and remember that they chose the easy way.  I'd work with them of course but just know don't trust them to cover your back.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:51:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama (none / 0)

"Were I them.  I'd take names and remember that they chose the easy way.  I'd work with them of course but just know don't trust them to cover your back."

Exactly.  That's why publicly endorsing Obama is not the easy way.  Freshmen like McCaskill probably stand to lose the most from that strategy.


by the mollusk on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:49:20 PM EST
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Re: new Gallup numbers: dogfight for dem nom (none / 0)

Yes, do watch out- the Obama people have their "hit" pieces timed to work out precisely around these few days before Super Tuesday-  Wal-Mart- Pardons, etc., it's been planned this way and goodness knows what they will try to spring this weekend.  They can't fight fair and stick to the issues because he can't win debating policy with Hillary Clinton so they saturate the media with everything other than policy.


by reasonwarrior on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:49:18 PM EST

Re: new Gallup numbers: dogfight for dem nom (none / 0)

Laughable. This website spent two days talking about a supposed "snub" during the SOTU and you talk about "hit" pieces.  I guess it is good that you Rodhamites have somewhere to vent and make stuff up.


by Lawdawg on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:18:09 PM EST
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I'm surprised the intrade market (2.00 / 1)

is still so bullish on clinton at 62 to win dem nom.

this is one of the few times it seems to be a market rather than people betting based on the news coverage.

I'm going to monitor it.

I expected intrade to be clinton 52, obama 48.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:54:45 PM EST

Re: I'm surprised the intrade market (none / 0)

Thats because you did not look at the polls state by state instead of throwing up panic signs blaming everything but yourself for a poll that still shows Hillary Clinton with a stable number of 43 which means her supporters are not deserting her.

Obama is gaining more of the undecideds but Clinton isn't losing or bleeding support.


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by lori on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:15:04 PM EST
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Re: new Gallup numbers (none / 0)

I believe that Hillary will win in a blow-out on Tuesday.

The numbers out of Florida--the most populous and diverse of all states thus far--were devastating to Obama.

And this after a week of anti-Clinton fervor and Obama praise.

Hillary swept all demographics across the boards, and these were real people, not poll numbers, who knew full well who they were voting for and why.

That was the real national "poll," and one need go no further.  Obama is now the candidate of race, and that is lethal going forward.

From the beginning, Obama was the tool of the anti-Clinton MSM.  They desperately wanted to destroy the Clintons--dynamite them out of the party; hurt them from within.

Obama was the Trifecta for the GOP: a Clinton-hating and Reagan-loving African-American who would:

1) destroy the Clintons;

2) turn the Democratic Party toward Reagan talking points;

3) either guarantee the presidency to Bush-loving McCain or, if indeed elected, govern as a Reagan and Clinton-hating Democrat.  If McCain were elected, that would mean more years of Bush policies; if Obama, in the guise of a Democrat, the shattering of both the old Democratic Party and the government itself--assuring a loss and many more years of Republican rule.

But: Michigan and Florida, the most populous states and homes of bedrock Democrats, gave Obama a resounding no.

They are not to be counted because they are not in the Obama narrative.  Or in Howard Dean's calendar narrative for Obama.

It requires Ted and Caroline Kennedy, the entire MSM, most of the print and remaining broadcast media, hundreds of millions from Oprah and other weird fundraisers, and lying pollsters (yes, as before New Hampshire, the pollsters are now LYING) to collectively attempt to destroy the Clintons this Tuesday.

All the Clintons have all the real Democratic voters--like in Michigan and Florida.

Unless the actual polling places have been bought by Obama money, expect, like Florida, a Clinton blow-out.

We bedrock Democrats LOVE the Clintons, and hate Obama and all his bottom kissers in the MSM and blogosphere.

The day he is politically gone will be the beginning of real hope and change for our country.


by lambros on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:23:04 PM EST

Re: new Gallup numbers (none / 0)

Most of the time I find Lambros wrong on his analysis. Especially on predicting primariy results.

I think you predicted a Clinton win in SC?

OBAMA WON BY 28 PTS.


by BDM on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:42:43 PM EST
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Re: new Gallup numbers (none / 0)

hyperbole much?


by HSTruman on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:43:48 PM EST
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Re: Rasmussen: Interesting Internals (none / 0)

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/california/election_2008_c alifornia_democratic_presidential_primar y

Election 2008: California Democratic Presidential Primary
California: Clinton 43% Obama 40%
Wednesday, January 30, 2008

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in California shows Hillary Clinton with a very narrow three-percentage point lead over Barack Obama. The survey was conducted in the hours immediately following Florida's Presidential Primary and before John Edwards dropped out of the race.

Two weeks ago, Clinton led Obama by five percentage points in California.

The survey found Edwards with 9% of the vote while 4% said they would vote for some other candidate and another 4% were not sure.

Obama had a narrow 43% to 41% advantage among the party's liberal voters while Clinton held a 45% to 35% edge among moderate voters.

Obama held a three-point lead among white voters in the state while Clinton had a twenty-seven point lead among Hispanic voters.

Clinton trailed by eight points among men but led by ten among women.

Obama is viewed favorably by 83% of California's Democratic Primary Voters, Clinton by 79%.

Sixty-nine percent (69%) of the state's voters were certain they had settled on their final choice. That meant nearly a third could still change their mind, a figure that grew when Edwards left the race.

Forty-six percent (46%) said the top voting issue is the economy while 29% mentioned the War in Iraq. Clinton led by fifteen among those who view the economy as the highest priority. Obama led by eight among those who view the War as the top voting issue.

A Rasmussen Reports analysis of the Democratic race notes that "The numbers still favor Clinton. But, as every sports fan knows, sometimes the numbers don't matter. Sometimes things just fall into place for an upset. More often than not, the underdog comes up a bit short--but not always."

Clinton continues to hold a modest lead over Obama in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

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Rasmussen Reports is an electronic publishing firm specializing in the collection, publication, and distribution of public opinion polling information.

The Rasmussen Reports ElectionEdge<sup>TM<sup> Premium Service for Election 2008 offers the most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a Presidential election.

Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports, has been an independent pollster for more than a decade.

This telephone survey of 807 Likely Democratic Primary Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on January 29, 2008. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.


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by Tennessean on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:37:28 PM EST

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My husband and I have between us 146 years' experience watching election (s) coverage.  We have never witnessed anything to even remotely compare with the media's abuse of Hillary Clinton.  Neither of us agree with all of Clinton's tactics, but we think of all the candidates she has by far the best "equipment" to lead this country through a more dangerous time than any since WWII, both in economics and the radical Islamic movement, in nuclear proliferation, and in the global climate crisis.

Why isn't the media asking hard questions of Obama?  What exactly are his programs and how will he pay for them?  How does he intend to address the world economic downturn?  What exactly will his foreign policy consist of?  How will he treat the Middle East and the Israeli/Palestinian crisis differently from his predecessors?  How does his health care plan avoid the interference of insurance companies since it does not cover everyone?

Is inspiration, and the hope that Republicans will cooperate (!) enough to deserve the presidency?


by miriam on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:53:26 PM EST


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