and it will cancel out most of the Obamamentum that was generated in the past 3 days.

It all boils down to Super Tuesday, and let the best person win!

Right before the speech, Andrea Mitchell pointed out that even if the delegates are seated, it would be after the nominee is decided.

Looks like the news channels are not carrying the whole speech...they are focused on the GOP race.

they will count in some respects, whether they are seated at the convention or not.

For example, MI and FL will probably generate some significant fund-raising for Clinton in the wake of her victories there.

...which looks like McCain FTW!

Ah, cut it out.  Of course Edwards would be doing this if he were winning Florida.  And the media would be fawning and declaring him the comeback kid.  

all the people in florida saw what happened in s.c., they saw the kennedy endorsement, they saw the 4 day press endorsement of obama, and he got blown out of the state.

If this is a beauty contest, Hillary is the best looking.

Feb 5th is going to be more like florida than s.c.

no intense scrutiny on one state.  No setting up camp and using media strategies.

It's coast to coast ground and air war.

I heard on OpenLeft that Obama won the voting today, but Clinton's margin came from early voting.

If that's true, this could bode very well for Obama come 2/5.

He won't learn.  He's like the old dog who can't learn new tricks.  He comes across as anything but a journalist.

CNN played a lot of her vicory speech then cut it short- Obama probably got on the phone to them to complain.  Haha.  Actually, his campaign is being too negative about it- it's almost insulting to the ones who voted and I do think that will be a feeling to them.

Hillary is right that she is doing what she can to win Florida in November.  Obama, on the other hand, is doing everything in his power to hand it to the Republicans on a silver platter.

Obama only got a brief bounce, for a few days, with the latest deciders swinging back to Hillary.

Here are two questions:

Florida openly defied the primary rules.  The candidates agreed not to campaign there, out of deference to those rules.

How does any candidate have the moral authority to argue that the delegates should be seated, after the fact?

How could the national party punish the state party while still seating the delegates?

If I were Hillary Clinton, I would be rooting very very hard for the Obama campaign to push this "0 delegates" message as much as they can, and to mock her victory celebration for all it's worth.

The narrative today for millions of people is that Obama is sort of a jerk, because of all the coverage of the "snub."  Hillary wisely stayed out of the way and allowed that to be the story of the day everywhere.

That's just an impression people get.  Impressions fade.  But making a big deal out of how it "doesn't count" is going to fit right into that narrative.  Nobody likes a sore loser and that's exactly how it will come across.

The Obama campaign already worked the media and got whatever they were going to get in terms of non-coverage.  They should seize the opportunity to do something graceful, thereby putting the "snub" behind them, and move on to February 5.

If Obama had gotten within 5% of beating Hillary in Florida, instead of being routed by a 20pt margin......what would they be saying?

"Huge moral victory for Obama!" is a good guess.

As it is, downplaying this seems like a better option for them.

Just watched CNN and the Obama campaign claimed they didnt win FL because "he didn't have the name recognition like Clinton does"..........right. This is the man whos gotten more good coverage than any candidate in recent memory, constantly in the news and campaigns with friggin OPRAH....yet, "he doesn't have high enough name recognition.

Give me a break.

The message Democrats have been sending to the people of Michigan and Florida that their votes do not matter is unacceptable.  The Dems need Michigan in Nov, and Florida is such an important swing state, a win there would secure their victory.  Who has the right to tell these Democrats that they are unimportant, especially when they come out in the thousands to cast their votes?  Seriously what is going on here, I am outraged.  This the type of talk I'd expect from the Republican Party but coming from the Democrats is just sad.

From what I see now, what's noteworthy is that Clinton has received more votes than Obama and Edwards in Florida combined. That's more than was the situation in South Carolina where far fewer votes were cast. With 43% counted, Clinton has demonstrable support from nearly half a million people in Florida.

Where's my post? It was just up and is now missing.

Was it removed because it explained how Obama's inability to campaign and organize skewed the composition of the Democratic electorate, creating a more pro-Clinton turnout than would have existed if he could have campaigned?

I don't think they will be seated.only because to do so will look like the dnc is bending to the will of the clinton's. that being said I think its still very good news for hrc b/c to be quite honest I don't know that the typical voter outside of FL will have followed this story enough to really understand the delegate flap. to the average voter they may just hear that HRC won FL, and then their attention may just trail off. Im sure HRC will try and bring the issue up, but I think she needs to be a bit careful. the media already thinks of this as somewhat of a hollow victory. I think if she tries too hard to keep bringing it in then the media will just pick it up as another example of the clintons trying to be a bit too clever/conniving.