Clinton campaigning in the State of Denial (with edit)

Campaigning at Tennessee State University in Nashville (wasn't she there the night before?), Senator Clinton had this to say:

The second odd thing about Clinton's appearance came during that extended Q-and-A period when someone, late in the going, finally asked her to comment on the just-concluded South Carolina primary, in which Obama had trounced her by a margin of two-to-one.

After a perceptible pause, she began awkwardly: "I was honored to run in South Carolina... and it was very close...."

Very close?!  I think she's probably been reading too many MYDD posts!

Elsewhere in the article:

Fact: In the sea of thousands, both upstairs where she was looking and in the dense seated rows down the floor, the number of bona fide students at the historically black college - or of African Americans of any kind -- was almost infinitesimal.

Given that this first of two planned Tennessee stops before her February 5th Super Tuesday primary contests against new black icon Barack Obama was surely designed to appeal to African Americans, the ratio of white to blacks in the crowd - perhaps 20 to one, if not more lopsided -- could be regarded as embarrassing.

On Saturday somebody here implied that the fact that so many African American voters are supporting Obama is the product of their racism.  I was pretty amazed to read that on a progressive blog.  What Clinton supporters have to be asking themselves is whether the racism theory is the case, or whether, just maybe, Clinton has done something to turn off the AA vote.

And if you believe that maybe it's something in her husband's tone which has done the damage, you can make a difference.

[http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/27/politics/fromtheroad/entry3756090.shtml This paper] quotes her differently from the Memphis Flyer:
Clinton said she is "very proud to have competed there. It was a close contest going into it. I have congratulated Senator Obama. We have each one several of these contests in these early months." Clinton added that she is "excited about competing here and competing everywhere, that's why I came to Nashville."
I don't know what she meant by "going into it," but it is different.

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Give 'em Hell Hillary (and Bill) (none / 0)

Obama is confused.  He thinks because he had no competition in his IL Senate run that he should get a pass here too.

Sorry Obama ... you have to earn it here.  Sto yer whining and get to work.   Running for President - being President - requires more than just some "vision" it requiores hard work which Obama shows a distaste for.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 07:34:08 PM EST

Sigh (none / 0)

You do realize there was a ummm... primary before the GE, right?

You do realize it was a tight 7 person race -- early on -- that included a self-funding millionaire who had virtual all the institutional group backing and a machine-powered (i.e., co-chairs being Rich Daley's brother and John Stroger - the two most powerful Dems in Illinois) candidate?

It never fails to amuse me when people who obviously are too dishonest or too lazy to check claim that Obama has never faced a tough race... hell - he's faced tougher contests than either Clinton or Edwards.


by zonk on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 07:47:40 PM EST
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Re: Sigh (none / 0)

Isn't it interesting how Hull got knocked out? The guy who thinks nothing of knocking fellow Democrats off with ballot challenges or who cries racism at every attack. Please, let's not turn over the nomination to this prince of sleaze.


by souvarine on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 08:03:56 PM EST
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Re: Sigh (none / 0)

I assume you're insinuating the charges came from Obama?  In other words -- the very same newspapers (i.e., SunTimes and Trib) who spent last year following every last Rezko shred were then playing Obama lackeys?

Is that what you're positing?


by zonk on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 08:13:10 PM EST
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Re: Sigh (none / 0)

Yes, in my experience newspapers are equal opportunity slimers. Public corruption is fair game in politics, it takes a special breed to dig through sealed divorce records for dirt. And an extra special one to make a habit of it (see Jack Ryan).


by souvarine on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 08:49:08 PM EST
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Re: Sigh (none / 0)

Ummm... as I recall - there were quite a few folks in that Dem race, including several who have a longer career of dirty pool than Obama.   What's more - Obama certainly didn't need the Ryan records (he was up 10 points at the time).   You don't go dirty when you're winning (well... usually you don't, I guess...).   The Ryan records had a scintillating aspect to them - recall they involved "Seven of Nine" Jeri Ryan.

If you can post any evidence to back up your speculation, I'll be here.


by zonk on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:07:33 PM EST
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Re: Sigh (none / 0)

Right, just a coincidence I'm sure.


by souvarine on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:44:21 PM EST
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Re: Sigh (none / 0)

You can't even give me the flimsiest random post from some IL politics message board?

Is that where we're at?  

If I type it, it's a rumor?

I am honestly shocked on a daily basis at what this site has become.  Wow.  Just wow.


by zonk on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 10:22:18 PM EST
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BTW (none / 0)

Not that your own ignorance seems to bother you that much, but Blair Hull remained very much on the ballot after spousal abuse incidents came to light.

He simply finished 3rd in the balloting.  He most certainly wasn't "off" the ballot.


by zonk on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 08:15:03 PM EST
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Re: BTW (none / 0)

Exactly right. I volunteered for Dan Hynes in that primary, and the stuff that passes for "facts" around here about Obama's win is just ridiculous.

Blair Hull imploded, having spent $28 million of his own money, after his divorce records were unsealed (at the request of journalists) and it came to light that his wife had taken out a restraining order alleging that he beat her. Maybe Obama's operation fed the press the information, I don't know, but it wasn't a ballot challenge that sunk Hull. Moreover, people frequently act like Obama skated to his Senate seat. I assure you this is not the case. Hynes was a very serious candidate. His father was the Cook County assessor, President of the Illinois Senate, and a Chicago committeeman (i.e. unbelievably well-connected in Chicagoland politics); Hynes grew up in the Daleys' neighborhood (and there was glowing press from some of the Daleys before the primary); Hynes was elected to statewide office at age 30, and he was reelected four years later by a margin of 1 million votes. To suggest that Obama has never faced serious opposition is just ignoring facts. Obama crushed everyone (including a couple of other solid candidates besides Hull and Hynes) in a seven-person primary. He just blew away a really crowded, talented, and/or well-financed field.

Full-disclosure: I'm an Edwards supporter. I just get sick of all the crap that gets thrown around here.


by yedi on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 11:50:27 PM EST
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He had Rezko and daly behind him (none / 0)

Then faced the wingturd Keyes.  Gimme a break.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 11:03:35 PM EST
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Re: He had Rezko and daly behind him (none / 0)

Really?

Must of made for interesting family gatherings, seeing as how John Daley co-chaired the campaign of his opponent, Dan Hynes....

But hey, who's got time for the facts when there's a smear to push, right?


by zonk on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 11:30:48 PM EST
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Re: Give 'em Hell Hillary (and Bill) (none / 0)

Nice attempt at a subject change, but I made no mention of Obama in my post.  

Clinton believes that the South Carolina primary was "very close."  Was it?


by Drummond on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 07:52:23 PM EST
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Very close (none / 0)

... to ruining Obama.


by dpANDREWS on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 11:08:21 PM EST
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Re: Clinton campaigning in the State of Denial (none / 0)

Obama had the biggest margin in SC of any candidate in any primary so far.

The most underreported story of last weekend was that the polls were off by MORE in SC than they were in NH, although obviously it was less surprising given the fact that the favored candidate won. If Clinton had won SC by a few points, they would have been more accurate than they were.


by animated on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 07:57:33 PM EST

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The closest poll was about half the actual margin.  I think black voters don't get designated "likely voters" as often.


by Drummond on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:07:53 PM EST
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I noticed the diversion technique (none / 0)

Thanks for the info on the staged photo op.  


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 08:04:49 PM EST

Re: Clinton campaigning in the State of Denial (none / 0)

All across the net, after Obama's SC win and the Kennedy endorsements, I've seen posts by his supporters about how he will sweep Feb 5.  They believe everything is going to change based on a primary we all knew Obama would win and on endorsements that nobody will base their votes on.

So who really is in denial?


by musicpvm on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 08:20:52 PM EST

Re: Clinton campaigning in the State of Denial (none / 0)

No, he still has an uphill fight against one of the toughest machines in history, and really against much of the Democratic Party apparatus.


by Drummond on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:09:09 PM EST
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Re: Clinton campaigning in the State of Denial (none / 0)

I'm pretty sure she was campaigning in the state of Connecticut today.


by OrangeFur on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 08:58:06 PM EST

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You didn't include the rest of her statement.  (I looked for a transcript and couldn't find one, but I'll keep looking.)

She said "it was close going in...".

That makes a huge difference, doesn't it?  Seems an easy thing to get right unless you are trying to distort the truth.


by steveinohio on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:02:13 PM EST

Found it (none / 0)

Here is a transcript of the entire statement in context.  What a shamefully deceitful editing of her statement.  Talk about "saying anything to win..."

Clinton said she is "very proud to have competed there. It was a close contest going into it. I have congratulated Senator Obama. We have each one several of these contests in these early months."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/27/ politics/fromtheroad/entry3756090.shtml


by steveinohio on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:17:38 PM EST
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Re: Clinton campaigning in the State of Denial (none / 0)

If that's what she said.  That's now how the Memphis Flyer quotes her.


by Drummond on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:17:49 PM EST
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I know (none / 0)

It's misquoted all over the internets.


by steveinohio on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:38:46 PM EST
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Re: I know (none / 0)

Yet another example of the media twisting Clinton's words.  I can't even keep track anymore.


by musicpvm on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 10:37:01 PM EST
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Re: Clinton campaigning in the State of Denial (none / 0)

With confirmation, sure, although it's also denial to suggest that it was close going in.  It obviously wasn't close at all.


by Drummond on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:40:25 PM EST
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Re: Clinton campaigning in the State of Denial (none / 0)

It was much closer going in.  

Regardless, you have to agree that the full quote (according to the CBS site) offers a much different context than the one you used from the Memphis paper.  


by steveinohio on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:49:31 PM EST
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Re: Clinton campaigning in the State of Denial (none / 0)

It does, and I made note of it.


by Drummond on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 02:42:18 AM EST
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