Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manufactured by media?

by Mike Pridmore, Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 05:45:22 PM EST

I ran across this in comments over at TPM:

I am outraged by this story. I saw the ORGINAL clip of the reporters question. He FIRST asked Bill whether Obama could win as a black candidate...then added the second part of the question. The media CUT the first part, then accused Bill of injecting `race' (with Jesse Jackson) into this response. These tactics are increasingly alarming to me and show that the media is not only deliberately trying to "spin" again Bill Clinton, they are stealing the election from the American people. People need to stand up to this -- it is WRONG!

I thought the Jackson comment was sort of a non-sequitor to the question and tried to explain what it really meant.  But if there really was a question about black candidates BEFORE the part of the question we all have heard now, there is a lot of explaining to do and Ted Kennedy may have to take back his endorsement, since he says this comment is what put him over the edge for Obama.

This comment has been roundly criticized in the media and on the blogs.  So I think this is a really big deal.  My apologies for the short diary.




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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

I think Kennedy's endorsement had almost nothing to do with this comment, for whatever it's worth.


by OrangeFur on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 05:47:44 PM EST

Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

I kinda doubt that too.  


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:01:19 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

My common sense tells me that with all the attention this has received, if there really were some additional context the Clinton campaign would have gotten the word out by now.

It's easy for someone to start a rumor in an anonymous comment thread on the Internet.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:50:04 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (2.00 / 1)

wouldnt be so sure.

the media team have missed many media chances so far.

bill and hill may be brilliant, doest mean her campaign staff is.

me wants carville and begala back


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:17:32 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Yeah, but I mean, Bill would know!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:34:57 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Still be carried at Huffington Post this Sunday evening. I'm certain it would have been retracted by now were it not true. What? Bill Clinton, the first Black president, playing the race card:

The Clinton campaign has never looked as hard into the future -- or the past -- as it did last night. Hillary had already left South Carolina for Tennessee, and Bill was giving a semi-concession speech from Missouri, looking forward to the millions of people who will be voting on Super Tuesday -- since the hundreds of thousands in South Carolina didn't exactly go the way the Clintons had hoped. And he desperately tried to spin Obama's triumph away by telling reporters that Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, in 1984 and 1988. But however hard the Clintons are trying to look forward to our Super Tuesday future or drag us into the Jesse Jackson past, there are some stunning numbers in the present they have to deal with: Obama got 295,091 votes to Clinton's 141,128 (more than twice as many). He got more votes than John McCain and Mike Huckabee combined (279,723). He won 78% of the black vote, 25% of the white vote, and 52% of the non-black vote under 30. And he was more than a little responsible for the fact that Democratic turnout was twice that of 2004 (532,000 to 280,000). These numbers are pretty hard to run away from.

Bill has now become an albatross around Hillary's neck. How can he not be questioned about his intent from now until November. It is like a presidential candidate inadvertently saying the "N" word...oops. But Bill knew exactly what he was saying. First it was inexperience; now it is being Black. What's next?


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:47:02 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (2.00 / 1)

Uh, no, it's nothing like saying the "N" word, but thanks for the usual dose of overwrought hysterics.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:54:33 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Sorry, but everything Bill Clinton says is calculated to attain some proHillary effect, at least by initial intent.

Calling Barak Obama the Jesse Jackson candidate, yes the "Black" candidate, is playing the race card.

It backfired. Bill's problem is that his intellect, however, extensive and facile, seems to deteriorate under emotional conditions like anger, when his judgment fails him. Gingrich called Bill the most astute politician of our generation based on his wily knack for stealing Republican positions, the DLC way to electoral success. However, today it is an outmoded political philosophy.

The Democrats are back.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 07:27:38 AM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Good for you, Mike.  We should try to find the full transcript and/or video.


by susanhu on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:55:55 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

It evidently aired in South Carolina markets in the complete form.  Two posters at the same link mentioned it, one of them an Obama supporter.  Maybe someone has tivo.  It has the "Decision 08" logo, which is MSNBC.  First Read had part of the transcript, but not the part referred to by the commenters.  Before this there seems to have been a question about John Kerry's accusations.  That is in the transcript.  Then there is a missing part, confirmed by Bill referring to that being part of the "bait" too.  Then comes the part we have all seen.  That part in between, confirmed by two witnesses, is what is missing in the transcripts and videos.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:23:00 PM EST
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you should post thisagain tommorow (none / 0)

ALL THAT and this again tommorow

when vistors will be stopping by...maybe even blog media.

you should also post this at hillis44 and taylor marsh


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:32:08 PM EST
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Re: you should post thisagain tommorow (none / 0)

A friend already sent it to Taylor.  What is the other one?  I am unfamiliar with hillis44.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:34:11 PM EST
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Re: you should post thisagain tommorow (none / 0)

www.hills44.com

run by smart anonymous dc insider women.  they fight hard and are read by all at the clinton campaign and the media- because the media thinks its just a hillary front group.

theyve gotten lots of press coverage.  they loathe the political media.

you need a one pager on this and then we need a transcript and then find what network cut it to sound bad.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:04:26 PM EST
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excuse me (none / 0)

www.hillarys44.org

send it as a tip to the admin


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:06:19 PM EST
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correct website is: (none / 0)

http://www.hillaryis44.org/


by del on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:53:27 PM EST
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Mike-there maybe something to this... (none / 0)

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ 01/28/jackson-not-upset-by-clinton-remar ks/

There is video of Mr. Clinton's response to that one question but not of the entire exchange with reporters. But Mike Memoli, a campaign reporter for MSNBC and the National Journal, wrote the most complete account of the exchange, and it contains no other reference to Mr. Jackson. Mr. Memoli said in an e-mail that no one had mentioned Mr. Jackson until that point.

As word of Mr. Clinton's remarks about Mr. Jackson spread on television and the Internet on Saturday, the blogosphere exploded with accusations that the former president was gratuitously mentioning him as a way of diminishing Mr. Obama's candidacy and suggesting that his win in South Carolina would have little long-term significance. Comments on numerous blogs reflected anger at Mr. Clinton for his increasing visibility in his wife's campaign; some said that his remarks about Mr. Jackson had pushed them over the edge and that they were no longer supporting Mrs. Clinton.



by lonnette33 on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 12:18:16 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

I doubt it as well; however, Bill's loose cannon behavior over the past couple weeks probably helped push Ted Kennedy over the line.


by animated on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:25:36 PM EST
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what loose canon behavior? (none / 0)


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:49:37 PM EST
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Re: what loose canon behavior? (none / 0)

It was reported that Ted Kennedy was on the phone with Clinton earlier this week asking him to calm down and change his tone towards Obama. It's hard to imagine that this wasn't a factor in his decision.


by animated on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:58:48 PM EST
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Re: what loose canon behavior? (none / 0)

but that is not what I asked you.  What loose cannon behavior are you talking about.  Give me an example.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:08:38 PM EST
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Re: what loose canon behavior? (none / 0)

I think it's pretty clear that Bill has been playing the attack dog role over the past couple weeks. Even Hillary said that she thought he had gone too far.


by animated on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:32:15 PM EST
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Re: what loose canon behavior? (none / 0)

She did? When? Link?


by souvarine on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:41:23 PM EST
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Re: what loose canon behavior? (none / 0)

http://www.keyetv.com/news/world/story.a spx?content_id=5f10ae66-af9b-4a3c-aa41-4 a427d20b7c3


Former President Bill Clinton said he might have gone too far in attacking Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton said on Friday, adding that both Democratic presidential campaigns should focus on issues.

"He said several times yesterday that maybe he got a little bit carried away," Hillary Clinton said on CBS' "Early Show."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/2 7/ftn/main3756327.shtml


SCHIEFFER: Has he gotten a little carried away from time to time?

Sen. CLINTON: Well, I think it's human nature, Bob. I think that, you know, the spouses of all
three of us have, you know, been passionate and vigorous defenders of each of us and, you know,
maybe got a little carried away. But you know, that comes with a hard-fought election. It also
comes with sleep deprivation, which, you know, I think is marking all of us, our families, our
supporters.

-Face the Nation (CBS News) - Sunday, January 27, 2008

And now on Drudge:

NYT LEAD MONDAY: Hillary's campaign will try to 'shift former President Bill Clinton back into positive, supportive-spouse role' he played before her loss in Iowa...


by animated on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:18:11 PM EST
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nice try (none / 0)

Here is the full context of Hillary Clinton's remarks about Bill:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/ main500251.shtml?id=3751519n

And you know, obviously he gets excited, he gets really passionate about making the case for me, he said several times yesterday that maybe he got a little bit carried away, so we are all going to, on both sides, I think, try to bring this debate and this campaign back to the issues that are most important.

A little bit carried away making the case for me constitutes "loose cannon" only in the fevered imaginations of Obama supporters. Bill Clinton will keep doing his job, and you will keep feigning outrage over it. Bill and Hillary Clinton have raised the questions about Barack Obama's record that needed to be raised, over the next week no doubt they will make the positive case for Hillary to the February 5th states.


by souvarine on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 07:44:06 AM EST
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Re: what loose canon behavior? (none / 0)

you can't give me ONE example?


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:28:19 PM EST
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Re: what loose canon behavior? (none / 0)

There was evidence for Clinton friend Ted Kennedy and former Clinton aide Rahm Emanuel to tell Clinton to stop the salacious attacks on Obama.

Bill Clinton has injected racial rhetoric into this campaign in order to marginalize Barack Obama. They made a basic calculation that they wanted this race to become a binary, black and white choice. Bill played racial Jesse Helms politics by pitting blacks against whites.

His final rallies in SC featured few black supporters. Why? Because they were disgusted by his remarks.

Hillary needs to rise above her husband's despicable actions and instead focus on her strong agenda for America.


Proud Hillary Clinton supporter. HRC: right on the issues, right for America.
by Politico80 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:51:36 PM EST
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Re: what loose canon behavior? (none / 0)

It is very nice to hear a Clinton supporter say this...she is a great candidate. Sadly so many of her followers on this site seem to take their cues from Bill rather than her.


"And to my fellow Americans I say this... get off my lawn." John McCain, August 2008
by JDF on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 01:41:32 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

It's hard to tell from the clip but I guess it's possible there was more to the question.  Still, no real proof without the video.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 05:59:26 PM EST

Jackson manufactured by media? (none / 0)

Ted's been waiting for any excuse to endorse him- that's fine- no one thinks he would endorse someone who could actually WIN- Caroline is a great one, though- but not Ted.

They did make it appear as if he said it out of the blue- it all kinda sux but we have to have faith.


by reasonwarrior on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:01:20 PM EST

The media feeds (none / 0)

on fighting.  They want a dog fight and will do what ever they can to have one.  Bill is clever enough to know that - I guess they got him this time.  

Kennedy's endorsement has little to do with the comment - it has been coming for awhile.


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:02:10 PM EST

really? (2.00 / 1)

Teddy called you and told you this or what?
Honestly, people on the blogs are as stupid and dishonest as the media. Unless you have a quote of Kennedy saying the thoughts you just put in his head, please do not presume to talk for him.

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:17:47 PM EST
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Molly Bradford's comments don't even (1.00 / 5)

warrant a response.  She (on Martin Luther King day) unapologetically linked to a extreme right-wing white supremacist website which refered to Rev. King as "Marxist Michael King"  to support her Obama smears.  She never admitted she was wrong, and never apologized.   Mollie Bradford has zero credibility.


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:21:00 PM EST
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Re: Molly Bradford's comments don't even (1.00 / 2)

my stalker is back, cool.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:43:36 PM EST
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call me what you will, (1.33 / 3)

I'll let your own comment speak for itself:


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  I read some where that his "grandmother" (none / 0)

in Kenya, you know the one who lives in a hut, is actually his stepmother.  What is that all about?
I do not know if that is true, but this link is about his step mother and I believe that this is the woman the media portrays as his grandmother.  And he has not tried to straighten out the misinformation.

http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2008/ 01/06/barack-hussein-obamas-stepmother-r eveals-the-close-bond-with-him-and-his-m other/

can anyone tell me if this is correct information?  

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 11:51:23 AM EST


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:46:09 PM EST
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Re: call me what you will, (none / 0)

We do not need to hear 80 zillion times about how this person linked some site without checking into it first.  Enough already.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:49:08 PM EST
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you love me (none / 0)

admit it.  = )


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:50:24 PM EST
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Molly (none / 0)

I hope your not that dumb.  Have you been reading?  Kennedy has been courted by both candidates and has made calls to Clinton about his bad behavior.  


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 12:17:26 AM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Dunno how I will get that.  Trying to get this story out to people that might have that kind of ability.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:02:32 PM EST

clip link (none / 0)

Do have a link to the clip you saw? It's hard to base an opinion without seeing the clip for ourselves.


by lonnette33 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:19:39 PM EST

Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

I'm looking for a clip with the rest of it.  This was from a comment at TPM that did not have an e-mail address with it.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:35:19 PM EST

Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

There is a clip on Politics TV that starts a little sooner, but doesn't include the  first question.

However, Bill Clinton responds to the second question by stating "that's just a bait too..."

Something tells me the TPM commenter was right.


by Coldblue on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:43:00 PM EST
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support mediia matters, daily howler (2.00 / 0)

dont ever support candidates that campaign with media scripts and hatreds {ie obama}


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:35:48 PM EST
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Its from the Clinton haters at MSNBC (none / 0)

what a shock!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:11:57 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson (none / 0)

Gonna have to hold off on believing this until I get a primary source.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:38:56 PM EST

Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Well, hopefully intrepid bloggers like Josh Marshal will be able to track down the unedited clip....if he cares to, that is.


by pelican on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:40:39 PM EST

He NEVER critcize the MSM. He wants to be the MSM (none / 0)


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:15:11 PM EST
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the daily howler went OFF (none / 0)

on him on friday


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:41:37 PM EST
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Re: He NEVER critcize the MSM. He wants to be the (none / 0)

And yet you trashed Ted Kennedy in another thread. You're acting like a Republican. Dumping on Obama, Kennedy, Edwards, and anyone else who stands in your way. Start acting like a Democrat, please...


Proud Hillary Clinton supporter. HRC: right on the issues, right for America.
by Politico80 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:53:00 PM EST
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ttrashed? (none / 0)

i gave my opinion pal.  i worked for him, you didn't.

he and his campaign's selfishness in 80 cost us the election.

Ill never completly forgive him or even my young self for that.

if i wanted to trash uncle teddy, id have told a immorality play that i saw close up, i didnt.

republican?  screw that and your asinine charges.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:14:08 AM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

The New York Times is reporting that Ted Kennedy informed Obama of his intention to endorse on Thursday, which would be two days before Clinton made the Jesse Jackson comment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/us/pol itics/27cnd-campaign.html?hp


by MNDem on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:51:13 PM EST

You need to post (none / 0)

this over at DailyKos... now.


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:13:18 PM EST

Re: You need to post (none / 0)

Already had my one diary today. :(


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:29:00 PM EST
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Re: You need to post (none / 0)

They don't want to hear it over there.  Much more fun to demonize all things Clinton.


by manny on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:32:36 PM EST
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better to stop (none / 0)

the swift boating now.

And this is coming from an Edwards supporter.

http://johnedwards.com


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:21:11 PM EST
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Re: better to stop (2.00 / 1)

Thank you. All Edwards and Obama supporters have to realize that if they look the other way when it is not their candidate having his quotes "improved", this kind of thing will never ever stop.

If there is only one thing all Dems should agree on it is that this kind of behavior from the MSM has got to be stopped.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:36:55 PM EST
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one other thing (none / 0)

Do you have a copy of the original uncut clip? If so.. post it.


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:15:04 PM EST

Bill Clinton shut your yap! (none / 0)

Bill Clinton needs to shut up. He's digging Hillary's grave stupid statement by stupid statement.

Being supportive is one thing. Talking silly is another.


Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.
by crackityjones on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:22:33 PM EST

what has he said that was silly (none / 0)

and hurt Hillary's campaign?


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:34:58 PM EST
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Re: what has he said that was silly (none / 0)

Clinton surrogates have accused Obama of going to a madrassa, bedding fewer black women than Bill did, not being black enough, being too black, dealing cocaine, being too hard on Hillary, being too soft for the general.

You guys are everywhere!

The Clinton campaign attacked Edwards for supporting trade deals; the Clintons passed NAFTA.

The Clinton campaign attacked Obama on Rezco; Clintons took dirty money from a Chinese spy, sold off the Lincoln Bedroom, accepted funds from Hsu, and made a loan to convicted felon David Hale.

I love Hillary Clinton and I'm voting for her; but I despise her campaign.


Proud Hillary Clinton supporter. HRC: right on the issues, right for America.
by Politico80 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:56:07 PM EST
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Re: what has he said that was silly (none / 0)

If you're not a mole troll, you need to do some fact checking. You're quoting old Impeacher talking points that were never true.


by 1950democrat on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:02:42 AM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson (none / 0)

Bill has been out-manuevered by the media. Now he has dug in his heels and won't shut up and sit down. He was baited back in the Monica days and it's happened again. He never said anything approaching racism, doesn't have a racist bone in his body, yet he's wasting all of this energy and time fighting with these nuckleheads.

Damage is done. I see Obama leads in CO over on TPM.

Furthermore this could point to how Hil would govern as Pres. Would Bill be allowed to screw up negotiations or an important domestic bill?

For the first time, my husband, who has always been a staunch supporter of Bill, has said he should shut up. He was upset by the Jesse comment.


by India on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:28:42 PM EST

seems you missed the entire point of the diary (none / 0)

i suggest you try again


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:04:38 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson (none / 0)

did you read the diary?
He is not outmaneuvered, he is being swiftboated.

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:37:24 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: (none / 0)

I want Al Gore to endorse Hillary.  Can't someone make that happen?


by reasonwarrior on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:29:13 PM EST

Re: Breaking: (none / 0)

maybe Tipper can?


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:36:24 PM EST
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Clinton's comment (none / 0)

I think there is something to this considering what Bill said right after the question was asked.

Does anyone know who the reporter is? What station he works for? Anything? The guy who left the comment seems pretty sure of himself. Anyone reading this who has a media contact or knows of a way to bring this to someone's attention....please do something if you care about the TRUTH.


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:44:33 PM EST

the meda will bury this (none / 0)

they like the quote as its twisted because it fits their constructed narrative abut bill, race and obama.

to the media idiots, script and narrative is everything.

truth, fairness...nothing.

ask al gore.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:08:51 PM EST
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Re: the meda will bury this (none / 0)

I already wrote Keith Olbermann and am still nosing around the web looking for the full clip.

If the media plans to bury it, that doesn't mean we shouldnt do our darnedest to dig it out.


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:15:20 PM EST
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Re: the meda will bury this (none / 0)

if this is true just contact Hillary's team. They should be able to find it.


by bayareasg on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:19:14 PM EST
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Re: the meda will bury this (none / 0)

I did, and I also contacted Taylor Marsh.


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:34:45 PM EST
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email the admin at hilliis44 (none / 0)

seriously.

this was a good catch.

email her asap = please!!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:38:55 PM EST
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Re: email the admin at hilliis44 (none / 0)

Maybe I should email Mark Penn. Oh wait, he's too busy defending Blackwater (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignm atters?pid=240313) and backing union-busting efforts(http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070521/be rman).

When will Clinton fire pro-Iraqi civilian murder, anti-union Penn?


Proud Hillary Clinton supporter. HRC: right on the issues, right for America.
by Politico80 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:58:05 PM EST
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ill send it to my pal the howler (none / 0)

but if you could put all the details in the post that would be helpful

abc, spartsburg, reporter, who aired the edited version{msnbc}...any trascript avail.

olberman wont dare to touch it. hes as owned as matthews.  overrated to the nth.

fox is more likely.

if you get a pager, send it to seymourglass08@gmail.com and ill send it to some media friends.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:49:50 PM EST
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Re: ill send it to my pal the howler (none / 0)

indeed, according to the political punch article, Jake Tapper refers to it as "out of nowhere"...but its not even clear that HE has seen the full clip.

i didnt include much information in the emails i sent, but i did include a link to this diary, and hopefully the comments here will also be read.


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:01:53 PM EST
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im sorry you cant do that (none / 0)

theres not ANY CHANCE that theyll look through the comments.  NONE!

you NEED to update this with ALL the info found  here in the comments.

there is not enough info in the post now for them to follow through or care.

I came from the dc media, trust me,  they are the laziest bastards

it will do no good unless the post has the network, reporter, city, date, time, where aired, any transcript avail, info on  cuts,the msnbc clip from tmc...everything youve gotten

you have a very good find here, it could be important, follow through my man.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:15:40 PM EST
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Re: im sorry you cant do that (none / 0)

agreed. i will take your advice and send a second email containing this information.


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:18:29 PM EST
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sweet! (none / 0)

now thats timing!

if  you can find a trascript..youd gave a killer lil story here.

if you cant....

you can get the reporters email from abc website.  since he aint famous, he'll read it.

be nice and tell him how this was all the rage here...and ask him for the entire clinton interview.  be nice, blame the confusion on msnbc.

link to here and your site. explain how this is your first week as a "citizen journalist"
with his own site.

sed  also to peter dhaou at hillary hq...and me too.

damn, we need the transcript...


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:36:36 PM EST
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Re: sweet! (none / 0)

i cant seem to find his email, and contacting him through the abcnews site doesn't seem to function correctly. ideas?


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:59:01 PM EST
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Re: sweet! (none / 0)

fouud his email

david.wright@abc.com

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_ article=15824

mediamatters.org should definately get this info too.

is there an update coming?

at minimum, this would keep this on the rec list here


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 10:31:16 AM EST
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Re: sweet! (none / 0)

Thanks for the info.  I will be offline at least part of the day today.  I don't have an update at this point, but maybe later as I hear back from some of the people I have been in contact with.  I e-mailed BTD at Talk Left and Kevin Drum.  Both are wanting to know if I find more.


by Mike Pridmore on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 10:40:41 AM EST
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carpe tu diem (none / 0)

well, it seems davd wright is the only best hope for a transcript or entire clip.

you gotta follow up on this and say how its become a HUGE thing with the "netroots" and kevin drum etc...and everybody wants to know more, specifically whether msnbc edited thee tape to doctor the quote.  BE NICE! Dont question his good faith, blame it on msnbc.

come on, this is your 2008 moment, seize it!


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by Seymour Glass on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 11:36:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

david.wright@abc.com (none / 0)

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_ article=15824


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 10:19:14 AM EST
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Re: Clinton's comment (none / 0)

The question was asked by David Wright from ABC News.


by Tove on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:19:21 PM EST
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Re: Clinton's comment (none / 0)

Thanks.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:32:35 PM EST
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THERE YA GO!! (none / 0)

PLEASE EMAIL THIS TO ADMIN AT HILLS 44

IF YOU WONT OR CANT- EMAIL ME AND ILL DO IT..

GOOD CATCH


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:41:21 PM EST
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Re: THERE YA GO!! (none / 0)

You can e-mail them if you want.

According to ABC News' Politcal Punch blog, the question was indeed asked by David Wright. However, they only provide the edited clip. And they characterize Bill as bringing up Jesse Jackson "out of no-where", so it would be interesting to see the full clip.


by Tove on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:48:15 PM EST
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Re: THERE YA GO!! (none / 0)

jake tappers lying ass and a clinon hater.

i know both these things from personal experiences.

i guarantee he didnt look into this - he even says hes responding to the clip at tpm

hes such a dick


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:58:37 PM EST
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Re: THERE YA GO!! (none / 0)

intriguing. i would love to hear more about jake tapper and his lying ass. though if this is confidential i understand!


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:10:17 PM EST
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Re: THERE YA GO!! (none / 0)

my contempt for him is both public and personal.

he is a go to guy for team obama though for sure.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 09:22:32 AM EST
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Re: THERE YA GO!! (none / 0)

I emailed admin@hillaryis44.org.

But hey....more than one email couldn't hurt!

Also, go to Taylor Marsh's website and send an email. She reads them and has been a muckracker on Hillary's behalf.


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:56:08 PM EST
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Re: THERE YA GO!! (none / 0)

I sent it to staff@hillaryis44.org


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:01:30 PM EST
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Re: THERE YA GO!! (none / 0)

cool!


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:08:32 PM EST
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Re: THERE YA GO!! (none / 0)

Great. I also sent them a letter urging them to support the termination of Mark Penn.


Proud Hillary Clinton supporter. HRC: right on the issues, right for America.
by Politico80 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:59:45 PM EST
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Re: Clinton's comment (none / 0)

This is an MSNBC piece according to the "Decision 08" logo on the video.  And it seems to have been in Spartanburg, because Fox News had a reference to the previous part about John Kerry (link), which was also mentioned in MSNBC's First Read. (link)


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:29:26 PM EST
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just wanna say... (none / 0)

to everyone who is helping out in trying to get at the truth of this piece....THANK YOU.

letters do make a difference. hell, letters apparently got Matthews to, ahem, "apologize" to Hillary on the air!


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:08:05 PM EST
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Watch the video (2.00 / 1)

If the poster at TPM is correct, there were 2 questions, which makes more sense because why would Bill bring up Jesse Jackson out of the blue if the question was merely (as shown):  "What does it say about Barack Obama that it takes 2 of you to beat him?" It really doesn't make sense.

If you watch the clip up at YouTube, Bill starts out  with a laugh and says, "That's just bait, too, Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqd2dfjl2 pw&eurl=http://andrewsullivan.theatl antic.com/


by jen on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:19:42 PM EST

THE MEDIA VILLAGE IS FULL (none / 0)

of idiots.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:42:55 PM EST
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Is this a lie as well? (none / 0)

From AP:

Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.


by Piuma on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 08:22:32 PM EST

Re: Is this a lie as well? (none / 0)

Well, if they set a trap then Obama was stupid enough to walk right into it.

The evidence doesn't support it though. Obama's campaign started all the race stuff after NH.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:36:28 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

It would still be a stupid response. Here's the correct answer:

Q: Can Obama win as a black candidate?

A: Yes. I believe that this contest will be decided based on the character, judgment, leadership skills, and experience of the candidates. Race doesn't matter.


by dmc2 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:54:43 PM EST

Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

The answer "Well Jesse Jackson won in 1984 and 1988" makes perfect sense too though, if that were the question.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:01:29 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Not unless you're trying to promote racial polarization within your Party instead of reduce it. The responsible thing to do would be assume the best in people, that they will decide on the merits, not on race. Anything else is just race-baiting.


by dmc2 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:19:12 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

I guess we will have to disagree on this one.  I think if I was asked if a black candidate could win I would mention black candidates who have already won in my answer.  Go figure.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:27:19 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Come on. The whole point of this entire discussion is that Jesse Jackson did not win the nomination, even though he won South Carolina.


by dmc2 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:51:00 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Whuh?  I must have missed something.  I thought we were talking about SC?


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:15:30 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

The question was: Can a black candidate win?

Clinton's response: Well, Jesse Jackson won South Carolina also (implication: just because a black candidate wins South Caroline means nothing about whether he'll win the nomination or not.)


by dmc2 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:30:50 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Part of the problem is that we don't have the first part of the question.  As I understood it, the first part was actually asking about South Carolina.  But we don't have the actual question.  I have been operating under the assumption that the question was about South Carolina, but I notice that isn't actually in the quote I gave.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:44:01 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Well the diary is based on the assertion that the actual question was whether Obama could win as a black candidate. The correct answer was yes. Does he really want to say that Obama can't win because he's black?


by dmc2 on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 12:03:29 AM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Yeah, right...  Sure we were.  Bill specifically referenced, and juxtaposed, Jackson's and Obama's campaigns.  If you are assuming he was just talking about the primaries without referencing the implications for Obama's nomination chances I think you underestimate him, and us.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:35:16 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

I have no idea what Bill was talking about.  But I was actually thinking about just South Carolina.  I see your point about Bill, but he and I don't talk on a regular basis so I haven't had a chance to ask him.


by Mike Pridmore on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:50:03 PM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

He was being questioned in South Carolina on the day of the South Carolina primary. What else is he going to be talking about?


by hwc on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 12:24:43 AM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Fair enough.  There seems to be a consensus of opinion forming on this point, especially regarding the reamrk you are dissecting, but who knows?:


In South Carolina, they saw the Clintons, and especially Bill, trying to use race to sink Obama's candidacy, and their response was to smack the Big Dog and his wife across the nose with a rolled-up newspaper.

John Heilemann - Clintons Had South Carolina Coming New York Magazine 27 Jan 08

There has been a surprising 'backlash' on these comments so it is probably relevant that you seek to exactly establish their context, I would do the same if my candidate, or surrogates, were being equally savaged.  We will watch this story with interest and hope you let us know if you can provide some proof to your thesis, it would certainly serve to ameliorate the energetic backlash to this particular comment.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 12:31:38 AM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

I think it is possible that the media is just trying to stir up $hit and blame it on the Clintons.  Or Obama if it is convenient.  They want to have discord among the Dems as a headline.


by Mike Pridmore on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 02:04:44 AM EST
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Re: Breaking: Clinton's comment about Jackson manu (none / 0)

Yeah, why doesn't the media replay what really started the race issue...Michele Obama exhorting blacks to vote black because it was time for a black president.   That's pretty direct, no?

Or Oprah at those huge rallies slipping into phony
speech mode????

Please, there really is something going on here, if the media is cutting the video and replaying the "offending" part over and over out of context.  There was nothing wrong with Hillary's comment about MLK and a need for a President willing to sign bills into law, either!

And I am NO Billary fan!!

PS--Shelby Steele, Obama's biographer, was on BookTV yesterday....seems like Obama is another
Bill Clinton, perhaps...he seems to crave approval.
Steele quotes Obama saying that even at age 14, he had if figured out..."If you don't make people angry, they'll like you."  Sound familiar???


by Gloria on Mon Jan 28, 2008 at 11:57:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Stop Digging (2.00 / 1)

Bill Clinton made a really bone-headed comment. Simple as that.

And as for this wild-eyed theory of yours, remember which network interviewed Bill Clinton to get that answer from him --- ABC News. George Stephanopoulos, an ex-Clintonite had Barack on this morning and asked him about Bill's comment. You really think George and ABC News didn't do their research before George's his condemnation of Bill? If anything, Stephanopoulos won't stand for his former boss to get attacked like this.

Another thing -- Why is the Clinton campaign, masters at spin and damage control, so silent? Must be the truth to large to spin this time around.

The truth can be silencing sometimes. And this is a prime, caught red-handed, dog-whistling remark from the former 'first black president', Bubba Clinton. A shameless, disgusting comment from someone most of us used to respect. How times have changed.


by rosebowl on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 09:57:28 PM EST

Re: Stop Digging (none / 0)

thanks for your suggestion to stop digging. i won't stop digging, but thanks for the suggestion.


by Scan on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:01:24 PM EST
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look genius (none / 0)

when georgie went over to the media and joined them with their witch hunt over a blow job, no one became more loathed by dc clintonites than he.

we hated that self promoting p.o.s.

the idea that he is working to push hillary is just more in a long line of uninformed obama cultist idiocy.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:51:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: look genius (1.00 / 0)

Clinton lied under oath. He wasn't impeached for adultery and betrayal of his wife.


Proud Hillary Clinton supporter. HRC: right on the issues, right for America.
by Politico80 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 11:59:07 PM EST
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Re: look genius (none / 0)

And the American people thought it was a politically motivated trial and he ended his second term with 67% approval ratings.  Even higher than Ronald Reagan had at the end of his second term.


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