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Barack Obama Victory Speech

by Todd Beeton, Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:05:25 PM EST

Senator Obama is about to take the stage. Eugene Robinson is hoping Obama uses the speech to reach out to Republicans. Fingers crossed!

Update [2008-1-26 21:7:22 by Todd Beeton]:Ha, Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan are talking about how Obama needs to talk about uniting the country. I'm sorry, but anyone who's ever supported George Bush has lost any right to ask for unity.

Update [2008-1-26 21:8:46 by Todd Beeton]:Message: Iowa was not a fluke. "We have the most votes, the most delegates and the most diverse coalition we've seen in a long long time." Nice.

Update [2008-1-26 21:13:22 by Todd Beeton]: "This is a contest for the Democratic nomination and we are united in our desire to end the current administration." What do you know, the D-word. Good.

Update [2008-1-26 21:19:26 by Todd Beeton]:Obama's speech is making clear how the Clintons' tactics this week really may have backfired on them: they played into the need for what Barack Obama offers, this sort of "new kind of politics" that until this week, was an amorphous concept. Obama doesn't even have to say "see what I mean, this is what I've been talking about" but it's the subtext of this speech. Hillary Clinton managed to seal the image of herself as the poster child for business as usual politics and played perfectly into Obama's hand. The question is will this fall-out spread throughout the country? Certainly the media, if MSNBC is any indication, is pitted against the Clintons on this score right now.

Update [2008-1-26 21:20:48 by Todd Beeton]: "This election is about the past versus the future."

Update [2008-1-26 21:23:4 by Todd Beeton]:This is a very good speech. He's re-contextualizing "Yes we can." "Don't tell us we can't change this country. Yes we can change! Yes we can!"

Update [2008-1-26 21:32:58 by Todd Beeton]:David Gregory on Clinton: She needs to refocus voters on experience and needs to get voters to "stop feeling." Haha.

Tags: 2008 presidential election, democratic nomination, south carolina primary, barack obama (all tags)

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Obama beats two Clintons rolled into one! (none / 0)

It's also a comeback victory, since HRC led him as recently as December (on the average).

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers

by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:08:01 PM EST

Re: Obama beats two Clintons rolled into one! (none / 0)

Now that's some interesting spin.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:10:41 PM EST
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Clinton camp was spinning (2.00 / 1)

this afternoon as if it was Obama's lose (just because he apparently said a few months ago that he'll win SC). So, I looked at the numbers, and they tell us the objective picture as recorded.

Anyway, here is the plot that tells all:

Obama earned his ringing 27% victory over the Clinton duo.

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers

by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:15:12 PM EST
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Re: Clinton camp was spinning (none / 0)

Obama has been ahead in every single SC poll since Iowa, usually by double digits.

Calling this a "comeback" is just weird.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:18:08 PM EST
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Sorry, the graphs just done you in. (2.00 / 1)

You got no argument son, just noise.

by Teaser on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:21:44 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, the graphs just done you in. (none / 0)

I'm pretty sure most intelligent people will agree that "comeback" is a dumb term.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:23:56 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Victory Speech (none / 0)

Beeton's right. I remember a GOP who used war and patriotism and GAYS to beat the living you know what out of Dem's. We need to kick them around a little after the big win in November 08.

by ND1979 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:10:47 PM EST

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Most diverse coaltion?

No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!

by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:10:57 PM EST

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You would never know who voted for him by looking at that stage. But I am sure that the Media will make a big deal out of that given their behavior of HRC's "old " backdrop after Iowa. Lots of coverage coming on Sunday. I am sure.

by ND1979 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:13:10 PM EST

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The guy won HUGE. So he might not have won that many white voters, but he still had a big number of whites on his side.

by Pravin on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:15:09 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Victory Speech (none / 0)

Apparently he got 53% of women as well.

That's.... is that the Oprah effect?

by MNPundit on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:17:42 PM EST
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He won less then 1/4 of the white vote and 4/5 of the African American vote.

That really sucks for the country IMO.

Even if people did not vote for my candidate, I wish they would avoid voting along racial lines.

by kristoph on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:18:45 PM EST
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"end it once and for all"?

OK, even that kool aid is too sweet for me.

but nice to dream about...

by along on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:14:07 PM EST

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Obama giving a killer speech. He needs to use this and translate this to more energy in the upcoming primary states.

by Pravin on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:14:08 PM EST

Media ... (none / 0)

Alas, not even MSNBC is spinning the racial divide ...

The audience chanted "Race doesn't matter" as it awaited Obama to make his appearance.

But it did.

About half the voters were black, according to polling place interviews, and four out of five of them supported Obama.

PS. How do I do the yellow quote box?

by kristoph on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:14:58 PM EST

Re: Media ... (none / 0)

How many whites did Hillary win compared to Obama in SC?

by Pravin on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:16:29 PM EST
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Re: Media ... (none / 0)

Clinton and Edwards split the white vote, so she won 2/5 and Edwards won 2/5.

But keep in mind Edwards was born in this state and he won it in 2004.

It is fair to say that if it were not for the African American vote Obama would be 3rd, so this was certainly a contest where race made the difference.

by kristoph on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:23:45 PM EST
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Re: Media ... (none / 0)

What an idiotic statement. So whites obviously made a difference to Hillary too. Why are white votes considered more unbiased than black votes?

by Pravin on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:28:30 PM EST
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Re: Media ... (none / 0)

< blockquote > </ blockquote>

without the spaces

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:16:32 PM EST
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Re: Media ... (none / 0)

thank you

by kristoph on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:24:09 PM EST
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This guy's good. I've got to give it up. He is gonna be tough to beat. It's the anti-red-versus-blue speech yet again, but damnit to hell, it NEVER gets old.

by ND1979 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:16:40 PM EST

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ND, against the Republicans it will get old when it becomes about Barack Obama's record.

by falcon4e on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:17:43 PM EST

Why did the campaign (none / 0)

seat mostly white people behind him?

by Coldblue on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:19:03 PM EST

Re: Why did the campaign (none / 0)

Because he is trying to avoid the perception that he is the African American candidate.

by kristoph on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:24:55 PM EST
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Re: Why did the campaign (none / 0)

When Lamont had Jesse, Sharpton behind him during his victory speech, whites whined. Now whites whine when Obama has white people behind him on the stage.

by Pravin on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:29:47 PM EST
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Re: Why did the campaign (none / 0)

Setting the whining aside, it will be interesting to see if the media mentions it.

After Iowa, you kept hearing for days about how Hillary had all these old people on stage with her and how it looked. Then in NH, she has a bunch of kids. These things don't happen by accident and I'm sure it's not an accident in Obama's case either.

This is a perfect example of where it helps to have a friendly media. Because they like Obama, I don't think they will make an issue out of it. But if it were Hillary, you'd be hearing constantly about how she carefully calculated the racial composition of those people, and probably had Mark Penn focus-group it.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:34:18 PM EST
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Obama's total votes (2.00 / 2)

at 96% reporting he has 281,445. He has passed the total vote count of Huckabee and McCain combined.

If he picks up 9,000 more votes in the last 4% (which he will if he continues his pace,) he will have received more votes than the turnout for the entire 2004 Democratic primary.

Obama is not just winning. He is changing the size of the Democratic party.

by jbsloan on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:19:12 PM EST

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Obama can definitely connect with people well, this is a very good speech, probably one of his best.

by Progressive America on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:20:43 PM EST

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I work with many Republicans who voted for this guy today. I don't trust that he won't make a gaffe (couldn't fathom him in a debate in front of 70 million people) but if he didn't he would destroy the Republican Party.

by ND1979 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:21:06 PM EST

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Obama delivering a huge blow here.. wow. The past vs. the future. He's in his element right now and he's masterful.

by falcon4e on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:21:14 PM EST

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Coldblue: See results!

by ND1979 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:21:47 PM EST

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"Divisions, distractions, and drama"

his definition of the Clintons will resonate.

by along on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:21:49 PM EST

if clinton's tactics backfired (none / 0)

as you say,

why if you apply the same demographic votes of hispanics last week, and whites and blacks this week, does hillary win the nomination?

Obama is the one who has to change the dynamics or else he can't win.

losing whites 3 - 2
losing hispanics 2 - 1
winning blacks 4 -1

equals vice presidential nominee

by yellowdem1129 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:22:30 PM EST

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I think the Clintons just ran into a buzzsaw. And I think this could be the defining moment of this entire campaign.

by falcon4e on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:22:40 PM EST

This is a good speech (none / 0)

It is a complete rejection of everything before today.

This is getting back to hope, back to possibilities.

by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:22:45 PM EST

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whoa.

we are one.

by along on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:23:18 PM EST

Can Obama Win the General (none / 0)

Everyone is talking about how the Clintons played the race card. (I disagree) But isn't that exactly what the republicans will do, only they will have no problems being open about it.

Also, the church Obama belongs to seems a bit over the top http://www.tucc.org/about.htm. With the Black Value System and the "non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA" stance, don't you think the republicans will have a field day with this? How come the media hasn't brought this to light already?

I admit, I support Clinton, but I have no problem supporting Obama or Edwards if they win the primary. I just want to make sure we nominate someone who can win the general.

Thoughts?

by Scope441 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:23:28 PM EST

Take it elsewhere (none / 0)

How's that for a thought?

There are plenty of other places to do your smearing... hell -- check the whole damn rec list to the right.

This thread is about Obama's victory speech... not about his church or how you can best use it to attack him.

by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:25:35 PM EST
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Re: Take it elsewhere (none / 0)

Zonk,

This isn't smearing, this is a question I am asking Obama supporters to explain to me. I started out as an Obama supporter until I researched more on him. After reviewing the church he proudly attends, I figured the republicans will rip this guy apart. I am happy to support Clinton, Obama, Edwards (can you say the same?) however, I want to be sure that whoever I support is the most likely to win against the strongest the republicans have.

This is a blog where people chat about the issues and this is the appropriate place for all of us to take our questions, not elsewhere as you suggest.

by Scope441 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:34:28 PM EST
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Re: Take it elsewhere (none / 0)

I think it is a concern. This diary really isn't about that though.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:35:32 PM EST
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i think republicans would have (none / 0)

a field day with Gennifer FLowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, and however many other women Bill has been porking the last 10 years.

by highgrade on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:34:20 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Victory Speech (none / 0)

yellowdem, Clinton without Obama on the ticket in November loses.

by falcon4e on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:23:40 PM EST

YES WE CAN (none / 0)

The start of an epoch.

by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:23:44 PM EST

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"Reach out to Republicans"???? Screw that, so much for Mr. Change if he does....God, do we have to really sell out SO MUCH???

So much for the working man who's "hurting"--they guy Robinson said had been neglected, just yesterday or so!

By the way....let's remember just a short while ago:
Seems to me many are forgetting way back when during the time of Oprah in SC and the huge stadium rallies... There was much discussion of how she spoke...she dropped her billionaire speech and launched into "Southern preacher" mode, totally out of her usual speech (not a movie role). Many wondered about his "act" and whether THIS was playing a race card!! Remember??? Didn't this really start the ball rolling??

by Gloria on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:23:46 PM EST

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"Many wondered about his "act" and whether THIS was playing a race card!! Remember??? Didn't this really start the ball rolling??"

Interesting, but I don't think so. Very many public speakers who are from the south but have lost their accent slip naturally back into their old vocal patterns when addressing people in the south.

also, he wants REpublican crossover voters who believe in HIS vision, not any past or present Republican politician's.

by along on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:27:44 PM EST
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Chilling moment, great, great. I hate the position I am in. Loving HRC for what see has done and still thinking that I am supporting Adlai Stevenson and my John Keneddy is HERE! Please tell me I am not alone?

by ND1979 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:24:41 PM EST

That's the fundamental question (none / 0)

Seriously.

I say this as an Obama supporter -- one who got on board late in his pres run, but also someone who backed him way back in 2003 when he was supposed to be a distant 3rd in the IL Senate primary.

It's TOUGH for partisans. I am one. It took me so long to get behind Obama in this campaign because it just didn't seem possible.

I know it plays right into the kool-aid narrative of the Obama support pool... I can't help it...

I'm a smart, rational, experienced Democrat.

But in the end, you get behind Obama out of faith.

I KNOW how silly it sounds... but I feel like Lawrence Fishbourne/Carrie Moss/etc in the Matrix... "He is the one."

by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:29:54 PM EST
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Re: That's the fundamental question (none / 0)

Zonk, I can see why you feel that way.

Guys like Obama come once in a generation. Is he the one? Is he the one who leads to the huge realignment? Is he the Reagan of the Democratic Party? Is he the guy that the political text books said that he defied allll.

Obama will have his day. Whether its in 2008. Or in 2012. Obama will have his day. Even Reagan lost in 1976, but he had his day. I'm confident that Barack Obama is the future of the Democratic Party, win or lose in the 2008 election.

by falcon4e on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:32:04 PM EST
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Re: That's the fundamental question (2.00 / 1)

I think that this is why it's gotta be this year.

Don't get me wrong - I don't think another 8 years (and if he doesn't win, I would hope it's 8 years before he has another shot) 'ruins' him... but I think it makes it harder for him to lead this fundamental "change" movement.

Obama's aura - his campaign - doesn't lend itself to carrying forward a torch...

It's lighting that torch.

I think a candidate can only run the type of campaign he's running only once... that doesn't mean he couldn't run again - or that he couldn't be a powerful Democratic president at age 54.... just that I think we have a unique opportunity.

by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 10:34:46 PM EST
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Obama cannot win when 80% of his supporters in South Carolina were African-Americans and 20% were white (yes, I did the math). That is not a diverse coalition.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:24:58 PM EST

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that pattern might replicate in Georgia, and to a smaller effect in Florida. But I don't think it will in most other states.

by along on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:29:15 PM EST
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It also shows the media is biased when they call that a diverse coalition.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:32:43 PM EST
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well, Obama called his supporters a diverse coalition, but he wa speaking of the race in its entirety. I haven't heard the media say that about SC, but I certainly wold grant you their bias is on display and fairly ugly tonight.

by along on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:40:41 PM EST
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Give me a break with all the old politics crap (none / 0)

I couldn't care less about "new politics". Truly. I want to put the Republicans out of business, not play kissing games with them. Eww.

because winning really IS everything...

by OrneryDem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:25:36 PM EST

the problem is (none / 0)

that running hrc as our nominee will do just that - give the gop the chance to resurrect themselves. hrc cannot win against mccain. she cannot go after him on iraq. she can't attack his honesty or character. he is more likeable, and will have the backing of the media. everytime we see bill clinton on the stage, people will be reminded that at the same time that he was off at oxford, not inhaling and begging not to be drafted, mccain was in a north viatnamese tortutre chamber getting his body broken bone by bone. SHE IS UNELECTABLE. her supporters are willing to lose the white house just to spite clinton's enemies. its pathetic.

by highgrade on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 11:35:25 PM EST
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i thought the line that you can't say a republican has an idea was very deft. and spot on.

excellent speech.

by CalDem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:27:18 PM EST

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Ornery, I'm the same way. I don't believe in the whole crap about changing this country. This country is fractured. I've lived with it. But I feel that this run.. ultimately.. Obama's message is one big fairy tale.

by falcon4e on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:27:52 PM EST

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It'll be interesting to see how the polls reflect the events from tonight.

by falcon4e on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:28:44 PM EST

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I've been wondering about that myself. In a previous thread, someone tried to post the demos of CA and the result from tonight (3:2 Hillary among whites, Latino vote, 4:1 Barack among AAs) as if nothing would change in the next nine days.

Think about it:

1) You have Obama triumphant in every Sunday morning paper,

2) You have the speech,

3) You have the spin of "is HRC too negative"

4) You have next week's debate which may decide everything and now both Edwards and Obama attack Clinton as a force for the SQ and a dirty campaigner (the robocalls were a bad, bad idea).

Here's my thing: I think HRC picks up more delegates on 2/5. But look at the map b/t 2/5-3/5: he can pick up ground. And as long as this goes on..... suddenly Obama + Edwards may be > Clinton.

I thought HRC needed a knockout on 2/5. I'm not sure that's possible.

by ChrisR on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:37:09 PM EST
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Sweeps Maryland, DC & Virginia on 2/12.

by SKI on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 10:35:58 PM EST
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Yes we can!

Now thats a catchy phrase. I can't stop saying it in my head.

by agpc on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:34:30 PM EST

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I really, really believe in this guy. I think that the way to truly beat/destroy the GOP is to get a HUGE mass of popular support behind you, not just getting your 50.1% and being as nakedly partisan as you can (i.e., the Bush/Rove way). I think Obama offers the former, and Clinton the latter. It may be a gamble b/c no Dem has pulled it off (at least in the modern era), but I think Obama is the one who can do it. I also think that if elected, he will go down in the history as the greatest liberal President in history, or at least since FDR. I also think the Democratic Party will be electorally dominant for at least the next 20 years.

I think SC in general (and this speech in particular) showed that yes, Obama can and will fight back effectively. That was a big test. I hope it provides momentum for ST, although I believe Clinton will still win the nomination.

by NC State Dem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 09:59:05 PM EST

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NC State Dem,

I really hope you are right. I am just nervous that Obama can't stand up to the republicans. If we think the Clintons have been nasty, wait until we see the GOP come at him full force.
Also, i feel that Clinton knows how to fight the GOP. The GOP has been after the Clintons for so long that I don't think they can pull out any surprise attacks at them anymore. I am not sure what they are gonna pull out on Obama because I don't think any of us fully know his background yet.

But, if he pulls people together as it seems he can, then what a great time to be an American! Perhaps his presidency is what we need to not only unit the country, but perhaps the world.

by Scope441 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 10:29:03 PM EST
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I'm a Hillary supporter but about half of me hopes Obama wins because if she does I see myself having to fight not only the Republicans and the disenchanted Obama supporters (who seem to be Obama 1st and Dem 2nd) but the media, as well as much of the left-wing blogosphere. It will be constant criticism from Mika and Joe and Chris and Keith and Wolf and Kos and Arianna.....I'll be angry all the time. If Obama wins, I can sit back a little. I'll root for him and vote for him but I won't be so personally invested.

If he does win, I pray you guys are right about his wonderfulness that will sweep away all obstacles in his path. I'm 60 and cynical. His inspirational stuff leaves me pretty cold. I don't see how the Republicans would ever just roll over for him and I think it is a mistake to try to cooperate with them when we have completely different agendas we want to achieve.

But you guys are young and optimistic and maybe you're right. For the sake of the country, I hope so.

vdeputy

by vdeputy on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:06:07 AM EST

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I kinda feel the same way. Obama is still a faith-based initiative to me. But he definitely offers the most upside as well as the most downside.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 10:21:26 AM EST
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i couldn't agree more with you and this is exactly how i feel. with clinton i have to defend her to everyone, even fellow dems. its tiring. i will support obama, but as you said, i won't be so personally invested.

by Scope441 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 12:33:56 PM EST
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