MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama

by Jonathan Singer, Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:42:11 PM EST

We don't have exact results yet, but MSNBC is calling South Carolina for Barack Obama ("a substantial victory," per Keith Olbermann -- and no call for second and third place (between Hillary Clinton and John Edwards). More to come...

Update [2008-1-26 19:13:13 by Jonathan Singer]: The AP:

Barack Obama routed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the racially-charged South Carolina primary Saturday night, regaining campaign momentum in the prelude to a Feb. 5 coast-to-coast competition for more than 1,600 Democratic National Convention delegates.

Here's the racial breakdown from the exit polling:

African-
Americans		Whites
Obama8124
Clinton2436
Edwards129

Looking into those numbers, Obama won 49 percent of White voters under the age of 29 but just 16 percent of White over the age of 60.

Update [2008-1-26 19:13:13 by Jonathan Singer]: Also to add, this is the earliest call we've heard so far this cycle from a major contest (I think the call for Mitt Romney in the Republican caucuses in Nevada was about as quick, but that's not the same). This suggests that the win was pretty big.

Update [2008-1-26 19:17:0 by Jonathan Singer]: Tim Russert seemed to let slip that exit polling put Obama up 30 points overall, which would seem to be a huge win -- which would certainly be the biggest win for any candidate of either party in any of the first eight major nominating contests.

Update [2008-1-26 19:40:24 by Jonathan Singer]: Going through the exit polling, my back of the napkin calculations puts the overall projected results as follows:

Obama 53.78 percent
Clinton 27.27 percent
Edwards 18.34 percent

NBC News is now projecting Clinton in second and Edwards in third.

Update [2008-1-26 19:42:11 by Jonathan Singer]: Chuck Todd is reporting on MSNBC that Clinton may win as high as 14 delegates and Obama may win as many as 26 delegates, while Edwards may win a small handful or even no delegates.




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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

so has CNN


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:01:18 PM EST

Tim Russert (none / 0)

says Obama to win by around 30.


by fladem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:23:39 PM EST
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Wow....... (1.00 / 1)

In South Carolina today,

Obama won 50% of all white voters under the age of 30.

Obama won 29% of all white votes under the age of 50

Obama won 25% of all the white votes.

Don't tell me this man has no broad appeal.

This is 2008, the Clintons Southern Strategy just won't work in 2008.

AMERICA UNITE!!!


by rapcetera on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:46:47 PM EST
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Re: Wow....... (none / 0)

I hate to keep pushing this, but Obama won only 24% total of the White vote. This is bad news for Obama.


by lonnette33 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:57:26 PM EST
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Re: Stop Spinning Please (none / 0)

Rapcet,

I know that you are happy & excited about Obama's win. Congratulations to you.

But please, lets not try to spin something that is not there.

75% of White Democrats voted AGAINST Obama.

That's the bottom line. All these Age groups are excellent for analysis.

But its the final votes that count.

And the reality is, among the Most Liberal White voters of SC, 75% of them voted AGAINST Obama.

There is No Unite, Kumbaya here.

If this was a General Election, Obama would have lost by a Landslide to his White Republican opponent in SC & most of the nation.


by labanman on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:34:47 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

So has AP.  Apparantly there's a race for second.  That's good for Edwards.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:01:47 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Substantial margin.


by Piuma on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:02:37 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

My wife is on the phone and she is annoyed that they called it without even having any numbers yet, haha.  I expected it wouldn't be close!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:02:46 PM EST

Too bad for Obama (none / 0)

Congrats, but too bad. Every single commentator on every single network will only talk about Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton.

He can't get momentum when all we will hear about is Bill.

-Hillary Clinton backer


by Cleveland John on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:04:57 PM EST

Re: Too bad for Obama (none / 0)

I suspect your candidate will put a leash on him for awhile.


by Drummond on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:08:53 PM EST
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Re: Too bad for Obama (none / 0)

I don't blame Hillary. I don't blame Bill. I believe it's a media thing. I think the media needs the debates about Bill and they need to create issues.


by Cleveland John on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:12:45 PM EST
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Re: Too bad for Obama (none / 0)

The major criticism of Bill is the fact he is an Ex-President.  Honestly, if he wasn't...then the criticism wouldn't exist at all.  But there are people in the party who are friendly with both like Emanuel who think Bill stepped over a line... and he DID step over a line, although I do think it shows a genuine passion as about the only positive I can give him for his conduct.  He would have been better served making the case of why she is the best by staying positive.  And it would have been just as if not more effective for Her.  

The white vote was pretty even, which is a good thing for Obama.  A 50% plus of Whites for Obama would NOT have been good in the narrative.


by yitbos96bb on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:23:48 PM EST
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Re: Too bad for Obama (none / 0)

Obama got 24% total white voters. That is not good.


by lonnette33 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:42:11 PM EST
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Re: Too bad for Obama (none / 0)

52% of young white voters.


by Bee on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:46:40 PM EST
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Re: Too bad for Obama (none / 0)

Actually, with the dynamics of this race, and considering that it's South Carolina, that's excellent.


by Drummond on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:46:41 PM EST
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Re: Too bad for Obama (none / 0)

interesting that he didn't use the word "dog" in his post but you did in yours?

Felt the need to get an additional dig in at Mrs. Obama?


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:17:29 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Congratulations to Barack Obama and his campaign for his victory in South Carolina.

The Washington Post blurb seems to indicate that Edwards is third, but I don't know what they're basing that on.


by OrangeFur on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:05:17 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Thanks!


by yitbos96bb on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:24:02 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

CNN's exit polls had a fascinating racial breakdown

Among whites, it was Edwards 39, Clinton 36, and Obama 24

Among African Americans, it was Obama 81, Clinton 17, Edwards 1

They were reporting turnout was 50/50 black/white

Doing very rough math, that would end up with Obama 52-53, Clinton 21-22, Edwards 20 --- so it could very conceivably end with Edwards in 2nd -- that would be a really bad night for Hillary if that happens.


by lifelongdem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:06:33 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

I think you mean 26-27 for Hillary. Though I think blacks made up more than 50%.


by OrangeFur on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:08:47 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

thats for catching my math error -


by lifelongdem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:14:11 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

24% white voters for Obama would really ruin a lot of annoying storylines that I would not miss.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:09:04 PM EST
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amen (none / 0)


by Satya on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:41:17 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Actually, based on a 50-50 black/white turnout, that would be:
Obama: 52.5
Clinton: 26.5
Edwards: 20.0
by markjay on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:10:51 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

thanks -- that'll teach me for not checking my math before posting something


by lifelongdem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:15:22 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

I felt good when I saw the exit poll about Commander in Chief.  Obama won that substantially in the 40's, Hillary was 2nd, and I believe Edwards got 18%.  


by Piuma on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:07:24 PM EST

80 (none / 0)

80% of AA voters vote for him, do you believe they'll vote for him while claiming he's not qualified?

Edwards got 1% among AA community, he was polling 35% while there's no AA candidate in the mix in 2004.

It's just laughable that drive-by is claiming all the whites/latinos/asians are racists based on these dada..


by prisonbreak on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:10:32 PM EST
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Re: 80 (none / 0)

My point was that question could be a good indicator of where the numbers might land especially for Edwards.


by Piuma on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:12:35 PM EST
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Obama 52, Clinton 26, Edwards 22 (none / 0)

My projection based on distilling the exit polls and assuming the MOE's on the subgroups pretty much centered on reality.

Which explains why they can't call it for 2nd/3rd yet.


by InigoMontoya on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:08:23 PM EST

Re: The sympathy card worked for Obama. (2.00 / 1)

I don't think it was sympathy. I think it was simply pride in an African American candidate. Nothing wrong with that.


by OrangeFur on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:09:31 PM EST

Re: The sympathy card worked for Obama. (none / 0)

I agree. This was support of our guy pure and simple. Nothing wrong with that but it's a liability everywhere else


by ottovbvs on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:16:12 PM EST
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Re: Ok (none / 0)

One could make that same argument for New Hampshire.  


by yitbos96bb on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:25:51 PM EST
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I hate the media (none / 0)

even KO takes part in this crap.

hm.

Everyone go home now... ok?


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:10:09 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Whew!  On CNN Carl Bernstein just tore a new one in the Clintons!


by Drummond on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:10:24 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Wow, the writer of an anti-Clinton book attacked the Clintons.  You must be very shocked.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:11:20 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

He didn't just "attack."  He went into a detailed analysis of how Bill Clinton may have blown this primary for Hillary.  The rest of the pundits are following suit.


by Drummond on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:45:48 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (2.00 / 0)

MSNBC - Obama wins under 30 white vote overwhelming.  Obama wins college educated white vote.  Obama in three way tie with white voters from 30-60.  Obama wins independents.  Hillary wins the over 60, not college educated white vote.  And some think Hillary is electable, lol


by ohiodemocrat08 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:11:40 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Seriously...

If the actual results mirror the exit numbers - then wow...  


by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:16:14 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

You've got to realize that those white voters for Edwards probably would go to Hillary NOT Obama.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:23:29 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

In south Carolina?  Sadly, I'd probably agree.  I'd say 60-40


by yitbos96bb on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:26:51 PM EST
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black vote for Obama (none / 0)

EIGHTY PERCENT?

And that's ok? That's America in 2008 and everyone else should accept it?

whites should be fair, blacks can vote race?


by yellowdem1129 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:14:31 PM EST

Gimme a break (none / 0)

What gives you these special skills to read the minds of 10s of thousands of African-Americans.

Should we count their votes as 3/5 until they learn how to vote properly?

I don't remember the Obama camp saying one word about Demographics coming out of NEvada.. as I recall, our spin was that we won more delegates.


by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:18:16 PM EST
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Re: black vote for Obama (none / 0)

Haven't you been watching TV? Women vote for Hillary. Black people vote for Obama. White males carefully consider each candidate on their own merits and come to a rational decision on whom to support.


by Cleveland John on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:19:37 PM EST
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Re: black vote for Obama (none / 0)

Maybe if the Clinton's strategy wasn't to marginalize Obama as a "black" candidate they would have fared better. I heard Bill Clinton on TV today comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:21:25 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

After 43 white presidents, I think you could argue that whites have been voting race for a long time. And after being frozen out of political power for that long, it is hardly surprising that there would be an overwhelming desire among African-American voters to see an African-American president.


by lifelongdem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:19:09 PM EST

Re:Congratulations! Enjoy This! Savor it! (none / 0)

To my fellow Democrats, particularly Obama supporters.

Congratulations to Sen. Obama! This was a strong win for the Senator.

To his supporters ( especially some of the hardcore Pro-Obama, Anti-Hillary fanatics :)

Enjoy this Win! Savor this Victory ! Its a Great Night for Barack Obama.

Celebrate all the hardwork.

But after tonight, it will be ALL Very Rough Terrain for Barack Obama.

Starting 3 days from now. Its Starts in Florida, to Super Tuesday.

It will very likely be All Hillary Clinton- State after State, Region after Region starting this Tuesday in Florida.

This may be the calm before the storm for the Obama 2008 campaign.

Either way, tonight is a night for celebration for the Obama campaign!


by labanman on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:19:31 PM EST

Re:Congratulations! Enjoy This! Savor it! (none / 0)

Wow. How pleasant.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:22:14 PM EST
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Re:Congratulations! Enjoy This! Savor it! (none / 0)

Yeah a real graciousness there... A "congrats" followed by a threat...

I think we are going to see some of the nastiness get reigned in... Some of the party players are going to start pushing on a little more niceness.  


by yitbos96bb on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:28:33 PM EST
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Re:Congratulations! Enjoy This! Savor it! (none / 0)

Ytbos, what threat?

I am sharing the realistic view. Not the "PC" view.

Do you differ with my prediction?

Please let me know.

Will Clinton most likely win BIG in Florida or not ?

Will Clinton most likely win VERY BIG on Super Tuesday or not ?

Well Ytbos, please share with us what have I said that is a threat.

I know that you are dying for Al Gore, but Gore is history. So what's your view ????

We are way past the PC moment. There is no room for that anymore. There is no need to worry about being PC just to be nice to white & black liberals supporting Obama. Talk straight & to the point.


by labanman on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:40:19 PM EST
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Re: The sympathy card worked for Obama. (none / 0)

Were you calling it sad that the "sympathy" card worked for Hillary in New Hampshire?


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:19:32 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (2.00 / 1)

I said this in another thread, but I think should Hillary win the nomination, Obama HAS TO BE on the ticket. And I think Obama kind of has to accept because otherwise, we'll lose.


by falcon4e on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:20:18 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Agreed.


Blogging politics and life in general at jimmy.bouma-holtrop.com
by forecaster15 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:23:38 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

You say this as though you think the whole African American community got together and made a decision to hold the party hostage.

Try this one for size: The Clintons went after one of their own in a petty and personal matter. There are some in the AA community that viewed it as racist and they feel personally hurt by it.

It is not up to the AA community at this point. If the Clinton wins the nomination she has to do a bit of work to repair that fracture- it will become her responsibility regardless of whose fault it was.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:24:44 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Falcon,

You got it reversed.

Its Hillary who has to accept it that she may have to pick Obama has her VP. Obama will gladly accept a VP slot. Who would not want to be VP & one day have a much better shot of being President.

There will be Tremendous Pressure put on Clinton coming from Black politicians, Liberal Whites  & african-americans in general to pick Obama.

I don't think Clinton will be able to say no. It will be billed as " For the sake of Unity" of the democratic party.

Personally, we have all witness that this country is really still divided along Racial lines.

I honestly believe a Clinton/Obama ticket would be a weak ticket & a terrible gamble to make. Democrats as it is, have a tremendous advantage going into November. From the Economy to Iraq.

There is no need to be doing some kind of Double History White Woman/Black Man ticket just to be politically correct & sensitive.

This team would be  a potential disaster in battleground states.

It also goes against everything that Clinton & those of us have against Obama. That he is not ready yet to be President. Putting him as the VP is putting him at the heartbeat of the Presidency.

This would bother many americans. And " Race " will surely be an issue.

All McCain or Romney has to do is pick a Women as VP ( most Republicans agree on Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson) & that would really be a problem for an Clinton/Obama ticket.

Lets not jump the gun.

But there are many more qualified democrats for VP than Obama. In addition, Obama does not bring any geographic advantage to the ticket.


by labanman on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:35:41 PM EST
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It's ultimately a pyrrhic victory (2.00 / 1)

Black voters are not 55% of electorate in other states. This will accelerate already existing tendency for black voter to support Obama. This is not the optimum outcome for Obama.  


by ottovbvs on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:20:48 PM EST

Enough (2.00 / 0)

Cripes...

Is the entire result here going to be analyzed through the prism of race?

We're seeing the very first Democratic primary OR caucus that's going to give us a clear mandated winner.  Per the exit polls - Obama way outperformed pre-election polls among white voters.  It appears that he actually WON white voters under 30.

It's pretty sad that we're getting nothing but ethnic analysis of this election.

Obama won SC, apparently by a large margin.

Let's leave allowance for the possibility that maybe the tide has turned and AMERICA, not just "black AMERICA" has rejected the Clinton message and tactics.


by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:25:50 PM EST
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Re: It's ultimately a pyrrhic victory (none / 0)

Its not optimum for Obama to shore up support in the AA community?

He got 24% of the white vote and won the young white vote outright. I somehow think he is doing just fine...and this outcome is about as optimal as it gets for him.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:25:51 PM EST
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ReJDF (none / 0)

My lord,

3 out of 4 white voters rejected Obama !

What the hell are you talking about him doing fine.

This formula will NOT work in 98% of states across america.

Starting in Florida on Tuesday, he will suffer defeat after defeat.

Jesse Jackson won SC twice! Why in the world would you think that Obama would not perform even better here.

The Racial make-up of SC is NOT the racial make-up of the U.S. Not even close !


by labanman on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:42:04 PM EST
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Re: ReJDF (none / 0)

White voters were no more voting against Obama than black voters were voting against Clinton.  Look at the polls, most voters feel positively about both.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:43:20 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Even the AP, while trying to prop up Obama, makes SC the "black primary."


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:21:21 PM EST

Look (none / 0)

around.

You troll-rated me in another thread.

Look around what HRC supporters are saying about the results.

Now come back and tell me the Clintons are "blameless".


by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:27:13 PM EST
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I counted (none / 0)

at least posters in this thread all but saying either this "doesn't count because of all the black voters" or "AA's didn't vote 'right' because they voted so heavily Obama"....

Eagerly awaiting your comments to them...


by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:51:49 PM EST
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What's sad (none / 0)

This thread?

Or that we have our first double digit win by a candidate... and that candidate was Barack Obama?


by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:06:17 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Blacks voted race...not issues. I had hoped it would not turn out to be true.

This is a very sad day for democracy. I hate the fact that there will be a rift in the party and I hate the idea of the backlash I know is coming.

Obama put all his eggs in this one basket. I hope he enjoys it.


by americanincanada on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:21:34 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Couldn't you say that many Women voted Gender?   I've seen direct quotes of women saying that they cvoted to see the first woman president.  

Is it any different than people who are single issue voters?


by yitbos96bb on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:29:46 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

81% of Women didn't vote Hillary. Just sayin'


by KainIIIC on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:45:20 PM EST
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superdelegates (none / 0)

Anyone know how the 9 SC superdelegates are leaning?


Blogging politics and life in general at jimmy.bouma-holtrop.com
by forecaster15 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:21:54 PM EST

Clinton won this primary (none / 0)

The key was to bring Obama down, mission accomplished.

Edwards took some of her vote but that doesn't really matter.


by yellowdem1129 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:22:19 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Second Law of Politics -

All politics revolves around, race, gender, and religion (sexuality)


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:22:59 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

I bet you no one would say 76% of white people voted against Obama, but everyone would say 76% of black people voted against Clinton.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:23:29 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

"everyone would say"

I don't think very many people are going to say they voted "against Clinton."

It is going to be that they voted for Obama.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:27:30 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

See what I mean. But when Clinton gets 29% in Iowa, its not that 39% voted for Obama, but 71% voted against Clinton.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:10:18 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Hillary cobbled together the most diverse coalition out of all the candidates tonight.  Edwards' support is largely Caucasian (91%), and that of Barack Obama (79%) is largely African-American.  Clinton's multicultural support, on the hand, was comprised of African-Americans (34%) and Caucasians (66%).


by truthteller2007 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:25:14 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

She's so divisive.


by OrangeFur on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:28:29 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Exactly.


by truthteller2007 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:31:10 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

AmericaninCanada, a lot of people, more than you'd like to admit vote against a candidate based on race, gender and other factors. Theres a good portion of people who wont vote for Hillary because she's a woman, Obama because he's black etc.

I was watching Bill Maher the other day and he asked a black woman who she was voting for.. she said "I'm voting for the ni***"

I'm not surprised that Obama took 81% of the black electorate. They have the opportunity to elect the first ever black president, something that they've been told all their life, especially in South Carolina, that that would NEVER happen.

Unfortunately for Hillary, i have a feeling the blacks may view her as the one who held down their candidate with Bill Clinton being the posterchild of the "man"


by falcon4e on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:26:10 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Obama won the overall white male vote.  


by Piuma on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:26:29 PM EST

Where are you gettting that from? (none / 0)

It says here it's Edwards 44, Clinton 28, Obama 27.


by Shawn on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:29:33 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

Edwards gets 1% of the black vote? Wow, he must have run an even more overtly racist campaign than Hillary. Shame on him.

[I'm kidding, all right?]


by OrangeFur on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:27:16 PM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (1.00 / 0)

He was viewed in the poll released this morning as being the most conservative candidate.  He may have had problem selling the new Edwards to his home state.


by Piuma on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:29:16 PM EST
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mcckaskil: (none / 0)

"by any measure" a great victory?

EIGHTY PERCENT!!!!
---

blacks vote for Obama

Everyone split the white vote.


by yellowdem1129 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:27:54 PM EST

Thank You (none / 0)

To Stacey Brayboy (SC State Director) and Jeremy Bird (SC Field Director) who delivered the goods in this near across the board rout.  And an e-handshake and hug to the thousands of people like our own DPW who actually helped make it happen.  This will be heard across the South and country.

Michelle Obama was right.        


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:28:29 PM EST

Re: Thank You (none / 0)

-Michelle Obama was right.  

What the hell does that mean? More racial commentary?      


by lonnette33 on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:08:13 PM EST
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Re: Thank You (2.00 / 1)

Of course not Lonnette.  Only the Clintons speak in code.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:09:33 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

When emotions have cooled in three or four days this is going to be seen for what it is. A huge victory for Obama based on an overtly racial basis. I'm not surprised but he's running uphill from now on. Anyway he did well congrats to himn.  


by ottovbvs on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:29:59 PM EST

Some of you people are a peace of work (2.00 / 0)

You all do realize that AA votes ummm... really DO count the same as everyone else's, right?

Shame on the lot of you.

This thread - what's been written in it thus far - out to saved for posterity.


by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:34:39 PM EST

Re: Some of you people are a peace of work (none / 0)

Of course. But NO ethnic group has the right to dictate how the other groups should vote. The drive-by and some of Obama supporters want to force other people to follow how they will vote, which is absurd.


by prisonbreak on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:44:30 PM EST
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Re: Some of you people are a peace of work (none / 0)

You're not listening to what I'm saying.

The fact is, Obama won Iowa - in a very tight race.  He lost NH - in a very tight race.  He lost NV popular vote, but also in a very tight race.  He won SC - apparently in a blowout.

Now... we're getting nothing but minimization of this win because so many blacks voted... and so many blacks voted Obama.

Gimme a break.  

SC delegates are worth just as much an NH delegates... or IA delegates... or NV delegates... and it's looking like Obama will get a much larger chunk than any candidate has gotten in any other state.

Yet... what do we get here:

1)scolding blacks because they voted Obama so heavily

or

2)minimizing the importance of the race because of it.


by zonk on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:55:15 PM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls South Carolina for Barack Obama (none / 0)

As a HRC supporter, congratulations on the victory in SC tonight.  I look forward to the Florida vote count and the super Tuesday contests, and may the best candidate win.

It's 2 to 2, let's get it on!


by CVDem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 07:44:35 PM EST


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