The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain

The New York Times has endorsed Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination for president and John McCain for the Republican nomination.

The Times has praise for all three Democratic candidates but makes it clear that it came down ultimately to a decision between Clinton and Obama. Each of them, in the Times' eyes, would bring great assets to the presidency.

Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton would both help restore America's global image, to which President Bush has done so much grievous harm. They are committed to changing America's role in the world, not just its image. On the major issues, there is no real gulf separating the two. They promise an end to the war in Iraq, more equitable taxation, more effective government spending, more concern for social issues, a restoration of civil liberties and an end to the politics of division of George W. Bush and Karl Rove.

Mr. Obama has built an exciting campaign around the notion of change, but holds no monopoly on ideas that would repair the governing of America. Mrs. Clinton sometimes overstates the importance of résumé. Hearing her talk about the presidency, her policies and answers for America's big problems, we are hugely impressed by the depth of her knowledge, by the force of her intellect and by the breadth of, yes, her experience.

And there, it turns out, was the rub. The editorial makes it clear that their reasoning for picking Clinton hinged on her "ready on day one" meme outweighing the "change you can believe in" that Obama offers. After a rundown of the various challenges, both domestic and foreign, that the next president will face, The Times concludes...

Mr. Obama may also be capable of tackling such issues, but we have not yet seen it. Voters have to judge candidates not just on the promise they hold, but also on the here and now.

The sense of possibility, of a generational shift, rouses Mr. Obama's audiences and not just through rhetorical flourishes. He shows voters that he understands how much they hunger for a break with the Bush years, for leadership and vision and true bipartisanship. We hunger for that, too. But we need more specifics to go with his amorphous promise of a new governing majority, a clearer sense of how he would govern.

The potential upside of a great Obama presidency is enticing, but this country faces huge problems, and will no doubt be facing more that we can't foresee. The next president needs to start immediately on challenges that will require concrete solutions, resolve, and the ability to make government work. Mrs. Clinton is more qualified, right now, to be president.

As for McCain, it's sort of a backhanded compliment at best:

We have strong disagreements with all the Republicans running for president. The leading candidates have no plan for getting American troops out of Iraq. They are too wedded to discredited economic theories and unwilling even now to break with the legacy of President Bush. We disagree with them strongly on what makes a good Supreme Court justice.

Still, there is a choice to be made, and it is an easy one. Senator John McCain of Arizona is the only Republican who promises to end the George Bush style of governing from and on behalf of a small, angry fringe. With a record of working across the aisle to develop sound bipartisan legislation, he would offer a choice to a broader range of Americans than the rest of the Republican field.

But they save the best for what is just a stinging rebuke of  Rudy Giuliani's tenure as mayor.

The real Mr. Giuliani, whom many New Yorkers came to know and mistrust, is a narrow, obsessively secretive, vindictive man who saw no need to limit police power. Racial polarization was as much a legacy of his tenure as the rebirth of Times Square.

Mr. Giuliani's arrogance and bad judgment are breathtaking. When he claims fiscal prudence, we remember how he ran through surpluses without a thought to the inevitable downturn and bequeathed huge deficits to his successor. He fired Police Commissioner William Bratton, the architect of the drop in crime, because he couldn't share the limelight. He later gave the job to Bernard Kerik, who has now been indicted on fraud and corruption charges.

The Rudolph Giuliani of 2008 first shamelessly turned the horror of 9/11 into a lucrative business, with a secret client list, then exploited his city's and the country's nightmare to promote his presidential campaign.

Damn.

The editorial goes on from there to rip every candidate other than McCain, it's well worth the read. But the real beauty in their endorsement of McCain is that it reinforces the distrust conservatives have in McCain...he's the sort of Republican even the New York Times likes, which is exactly why he won't win the nomination.



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Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (none / 0)

Shocked, absolutely shocked.  Round up all of the usual suspects!


by benny06 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:57:04 PM EST

Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (none / 0)

Is anyone surprised? benny06 isn't. Neither am I.


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by shergald on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:58:46 PM EST

Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (none / 0)

Okay, on second thought, I am surprised. The presidential election is actually 10 months away. Just what has the NYT got up its sleeve? Influencing Big Tuesday?

A NY Senator is understandable. But how does an Arizona Senator get into the act?


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by shergald on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 11:02:12 PM EST
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Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (none / 0)

They are based in New York. Their endorsement had to come before the New York primary. Even though they are a national paper, it still reads The New York Times.


reality has a well known liberal bias-Stephen Colbert
by pierredude on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 11:52:48 PM EST
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Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (none / 0)

You just answered my question. Is there a state primary in New York coming up?


by spirowasright on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:46:09 AM EST
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Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (none / 0)

The Empire State votes on February 5.

I can't imagine the NYT counts for much in South Carolina, even among Democrats, but it might mean something in Florida.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:50:31 AM EST
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Kool-Aid Free Endorsement. (none / 0)

I'm both shocked and pleased that Clinton got the endorsement.

It's good to know that not every element of the media is drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.


by BigBoyBlue on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 11:00:07 PM EST

Re: Kool-Aid Free Endorsement. (none / 0)

Kool-Aid?

I thought that it was the Hillary and Bill act that was going to take us in that direction, with more Republican Lite corporatism and Neocon foreign policy?


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by shergald on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 11:04:00 PM EST
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Re: Kool-Aid Free Endorsement. (none / 0)

Good lord shergald, I try to ignore your comments because they don't really offer any substance but geez don't you ever get sick of your constant hate spew?


by werd2406 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:12:19 AM EST
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Re: Kool-Aid Free Endorsement. (none / 0)

It is old hat that Clintonism has taken the Democratic party to the right, away from its traditional position as representative of the people rather than of the corporations or the wealthy.

And no one can doubt that Hillary is trying to take us back to the 1990s, when Bill told us that "the era of Big Government is over." What is Big Government? A code word for liberal-socialism, the safety net, minium wage, care of the poor, disabled, and disadvantaged, educational opportunity for everyone, and the participation of all people in our economic system. If you can't appreciate that Clintonism represents a movement away from our traditional values and baseline, then I can't help you.

Still, you can choose not to read. And if you think that such criticism is hateful, I am also unable to help you.


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by shergald on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:57:43 AM EST
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McCain will win the nomination. (none / 0)

True, many Republicans don't really like him. (Many Republicans didn't really like Dole, either.) But now that they've had a chance to get a good look at their other ... options ... McCain looks much better by comparison.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 11:02:34 PM EST

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True, but if Romney actually wins Florida, you gotta think that McCain would be seriously wounded. Not to mention that McCain isn't likely to win in a Republican-only primary.

Given McCain's trouble with the GOP base, does anybody think that NYT's is trying to end his bid right now? I am guessing that their endorsement will end up on quite a few doorsteps in Fl on election morning. Call me crazy, but the Republicans like the NYT's like we like Freepers.


by ND1979 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 11:29:22 PM EST

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I have to believe they're trying to hurt McCain's chances and I applaud them for that.


by Christopher Lib on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:02:02 AM EST
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Exactly right.  If an endorsement from the NYT gets the Republican partisans even more riled up against McCain than they already are and they come out in force, good. I would rather run against Romney any day, although Clinton would beat McCain as well, just not with the type of margin I can see us getting with Romney in the game.  

In a couple of ways the GOP race mirrors ours.  Many party faithful don't like that Independents yield a lot of power over their process, are trying to elect a candidate despite the rank-and-file partisans not embracing him.   Then you have a counter reaction.  That is happening with Democrats, who prefer Hillary over Obama, and we may see that with McCain as well.  The partisans are embracing Romney now because they can't imagine (and stand) Independents determining who their chosen nominee is supposed to be.  


by georgep on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:10:47 AM EST
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Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (none / 0)

Occam's Razor, people.
The Ny Times is endorsing the two people whom they believe will keep the US govt on a professional, sane, even keel, slightly right or slightly left (OK, somewhat right or more to the right)  on center and in the 'neoliberal' globalization mold. They are the two most securely Administration candidates: same old, same old. For sure they would desire Clinton, but they'll take McCain as the most reliable and predictable political animal in a bad field.

They will endorse and work for Clinton, whom they consider to be the most well connected politically and the most reliable (that word again) of the TWO choices they feel exist among the dems.

They are not particularly interested in influencing Republican elites, who themselves have already chosen MCain, to judge by the no-nonsense way in which the professional right-wingers have not just written off but dispatched the other nonwingnut leading contenders, Romney and Giuliani. [I am assuming they believe Huckabee will crash and burn on his own.] But they probably believe that as gleeful as some elements of the Repubs have been over their lucky blunder in having a neocon sweep for 8 yrs under Bush, they need some return to fiscal and geopolitical stability, which the Busheviks have notably destroyed.

Me, I am still voting Edwards.  And I despise McCain, a militarist to the core (which because he is of a type we hardly know, sometimes seems like a 'maverick" rather than a latter-day member of a dying caste.)
But the election will almost certainly be Clinton vs Mc cain--with the uncertainty lying on the dem side.
{And further assuming that rich spoiler fool Mayor Mike does not enter the race.}


by brooklyngal on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:03:18 PM EST
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Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (none / 0)

It seems that a main argument in the article was that Clinton will help the US make a clean adjustment out of Iraq. She knows what to do to make that transition. Why? Is it because of her connections through Bill?

Even McCain's name is militaristic. The article mentions how he will "win" this war. What does it mean to "win" a war, anyway?

I still think that Obama seems to have a great demeanor that would appeal to people worldwide.


by Joannems on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:32:35 PM EST
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A favorite son [er,..daughter] endorsement on the Dem side is really no surprise here.  As for the GOP side, I fund it hilarious that Rudy didn't get the nod and he took the time to zing the NYTimes a couple of times in the debate this evening looking just a bit bitter.

Watching Rudy's run for the nomination in Florida as away from NY as possible does have a certain ironic symmetry about it though, don't you think?  Why he thinks retired New Englanders would love him as opposed to the current residents who can't stand him (as evidenced in NH)and current NY primary polls) is really funny.  The parallel universe these GOP candidates inhabit on planet delusion would make for good TV viewing if the consequences weren't so fatal and economically devastating.

TrumanDem

Truman's Conscience


by DuvalDem on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:32:04 AM EST

Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (none / 0)

Did you read their rationale? The Times is a pretty reputable paper.


by kristoph on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:28:15 AM EST
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NYT readers trashing "endorsement" (none / 0)

If the comments section on the Caucus blog is any indicator, NYT readers are not happy about this.

Perhaps 20 of the first 160 comments have anything good to say about it. That's barely more than one in ten.

Everything else ranges from sad --- "crestfallen," said one --- to scathing.

Not surprising. The thing is chockfull of pretty absurd --- and lamely defended --- claims.

All in all, a bit of a DMR job. Not convincing at all --- and doesn't even try to be.

Reads like a press release.


by horizonr on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:48:20 AM EST

Re: NYT readers trashing "endorsement" (none / 0)

Thanks for that so unscientific study that is so worthless. There are scientific polls that show Hillary up by 2 to 1 in New York state, and up marginally nation wide. Give me a break pal.


by Christopher Lib on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:03:42 AM EST
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Re: NYT readers trashing "endorsement" (none / 0)

Of course, the Caucus response is not scientific -- but it is an indicator, as I pointed out.

But since you bring up science...

Since when does any newspaper worth its journalistic salt endorse a candidate for
President of the United States, based on polls.

 


by horizonr on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:15:19 AM EST
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Re: NYT readers trashing "endorsement" (none / 0)

This is what people like horizon call evidence. Why not visit Kos there's probably a pile of evidence people are trashing the NYT there too. It's this kind of silliness that really reveals just how really bright and perceptive these folks are.    


by ottovbvs on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:42:49 AM EST
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Re: NYT readers trashing "endorsement" (none / 0)

 "Sour grapes" is the best way to describe the behavior of way too many Obama fans, and that freeped comment stuff is no exception.  I can only imagine the type of venom and vitriol we would see if Clinton actually were to win South Carolina. Do some soul searching.  Try to find answers as to WHY Obama just does not do it for a majority of Democrats.  


by georgep on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:46:53 AM EST
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Re: NYT readers trashing "endorsement" (none / 0)

Obama "did it" for more than 55% of Democrats in South Carolina -- more than twice as many as did it for your candidates.


by horizonr on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 03:32:01 AM EST
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Re: NYT readers trashing "endorsement" (none / 0)

What's to like?

NAFTA? Welfare reform? Dont Ask, Don't Tell? The Communications Decency Act? Easing media ownership laws? Defense of Marriage Act?

This is some of the legislation Bill Clinton signed into law. Most of it in an effort to save his presidency after the disastrous failure of Hillary's healthcare reform bill lost congress to the Republicans.

Obama is right, Clinton didn't shift the American debate our way. The Clintons just triangulated their way through the 1990's doing their best to ameliorate the worst aspects of Republican legislation.

In the end the man who told us if we worked hard and played by the rules broke the rules, got caught and allowed the Republicans to stifle any gains he could have made for us. We lost congress and he couldn't even help Al Gore become his successor.

If we nominate Hillary and she gets elected you can expect more of the same small bore efforts. These two won't build the huge mandate we need for the great changes that have to be made. There will be no coattails. They won't change the debate. They've never even tried.


by markg8 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:41:43 AM EST
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Grom the way it sounds, if this crop of Republican candidates were salesmen, they couldn't sell peanuts to an elephant (are you linstening, Collin Cowherd, Stephen A. Smith, Mike Mucinellli, John Sibel and Eric Busillius?), so the NYT must see McCain as the best of a bad lot.


by spirowasright on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:49:14 AM EST

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Forgive me for picking on the ESPN guys so much. My quetion re press coverage should be "Are you listening MSM?"


by spirowasright on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:50:35 AM EST

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the ridiculousness of Obama's "bipartisan" appeal is that he's the only one talking about it, i.e., you don't see any republicans (other than LIEberman) calling for bipartisanship. Obama will be bipartisaning with himself.
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by gak on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 05:54:22 AM EST

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Are all these nasty comments coming from New Yorkers? Whoa! How did Hillary win re-election with 67% of the vote then? Of course, it's natural for the complainers to be the most vocal.

I admittedly don't know a whole lot about the Repugnants in the race (but enough to dislike them all, not that I would ever vote Repugnant anyway), but I felt like McCain shot himself in the foot months ago when he came out FOR the surge and the war in general. Now that "the surge is working" (???), it seems all the Repugnants want to keep the war going. With the majority of Americans wanting OUT of Iraq, how could anyone in their right minds vote Repugnant, no matter who the nominee is??

As for Hillary, I feel strongly that she needs to make thousands of copies of her fact page from her website to hand out. It would cost chump change. And she wouldn't have to say a word, people could read with their own eyes each and every lie Obama has told, and follow the links that document each and every one (including state and national Senatorial votes). One that made me laugh out loud was Obeemer's statement that he sponsored the bill on sexual abuse, when in reality his name is not mentioned as having authored that bill.

Why is the campaign not doing this with the fact page? This feud between Hill and Obeemer (who needs to be beamed up, Scotty!) HAS to stop, as it is hurting Hillary's campaign!! I blame the media for most of the Hillary bashing, and definitely for Obama's free ride! Folks would have an entirely different opinion of him after reading Hill's fact page. Such a simple thing to do, one that would squash Obeemer, and I can't get her campaign to even listen.


by reddirtgirl1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 06:58:11 AM EST

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Mara Eliason said on NPR this morning that it is a lukewarm NYT endorsement of Clinton.  Actually, the word "strongly" is used at least twice.

(I'd like Bill to cool it for now, and save his fire/credibility for St. John in the Fall.  Imagine if Gore had given him the ok to do a job on young W in 2000; what a different world we would be living in).


by Bob H on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 07:30:09 AM EST

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Mara Eliasson began her career trashing Bill Clinton from the early days of his and her White House career. For  Eliasson, as for her apparent model Maureen Dowd, the Clintons can do no right and are an affront against humanity, propriety and you name it.
We should recall the NY TImes itself took that attitude--until impeachment and more particularly 9/11, and them of course GWB.
Mara it seems has never forgiven the Clintons for ... who knows what?
by brooklyngal on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:07:18 PM EST
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Re: The New York Times Endorses Clinton And McCain (1.00 / 2)

in a scandal vote in the senate of Rome, Romano Prodi was removed from office. See the shocking pictures.


by ccokz on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 07:45:39 AM EST

A few thoughts (none / 0)

This is the same paper that

1) recently hired Kristol as a columnist
2) was instrumental in perpetrating the myth of Iraqi WMDs in the run up to the war

Their "judgment" is flawed at best.

That being said, I think this is good for the HRC campaign - although I'm sure she wishes they didn't mention Obama so much.  


by highgrade on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:44:25 AM EST

Re: A few thoughts (none / 0)

Not to be rude, but i think your comment shows a lack of attention to how newspapers operate.
The publisher okays or even chooses columnists, the editorial page writers have some degree of autonomy, and the Times itself is trying to triangulate. With Krugman, they got a lot more than the "globalization buddy" that little Tommy Friedman recommended him as, they got a powerful voice of rational and undeniable truth. So they have to balance him with a host of baby wingnuts--Brookses and Kristols.
 And then there's the legacy problem. Kristol Jr was chosen by Rosenthal Junior and by Sulzberger junior.

Pinch Sulzberger was a pal of Judy Miller, and since the paper had actually spending a lot of time vociferously arguing against the war, i thought at the time that they were allowing a reporter to provide what appeared to be counterevidence to their anti-war stance. Specially since they were evidently being warned by the White House that they would simply not be allowed access if they kept it up,

Let us recall that THEY PUBLISHED JOE WILSON, which led to the so-called Plame affair.
And their attacks on Bush were far more wide ranging than on the question of war but included the need to take care of the poor, healthcare, the economy, the courts, etc.
 


by brooklyngal on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:29:09 PM EST
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