Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment [UPDATED X2]

Update [2008-1-24 17:19:0 by susanhu]: Second update (the first is at the end of the piece): This is a screenshot of the Chicago Sun-Times a couple days ago that shows a photograph of the indicted Tony Rezko and Barack Obama schmoozing at an event. You'll note that Sen. Obama has his hand on Mr. Rezko's shoulder.

Image Hosted by ImageShack.usHere's Chicago Sun-Times columnist Mark Brown today in "Time for Obama to come clean: To dismiss Rezko as 'somebody who I knew' just isn't going to cut it":

Most troubling to me is how Obama keeps handling this, a continuing lapse in judgment that leaves me wondering if there's more here than meets the eye instead of less.

The Chicago Tribune's Frank James comes to the same conclusion in the newspaper's The Swampland blog: "Obama's Rezko problem; it's about judgment:

[T]he Obama-Rezko relationship that's even more troubling for Obama, because it goes to the heart of his campaign's argument about his judgment being superior to the other candidates, is the personal real-estate deal the two men did.

It is critical to note that both columnists work for Chicago's two major newspapers, which have covered Barack Obama, the indicted Tony Rezko, and their frequently intersecting 17-year relationship like no other media have, except ABC News's Brian Ross.

It's also noteworthy that nobody is accusing Obama of doing anything illegal -- although the Sun-Times broke the story on Saturday that Obama is indeed the "unnamed political candidate" in the 73-page indictment filed by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald accusing Rezko of extortion, fraud, and the shakedown of an Illinois pension fund.

What is troubling are Obama's denials and feeble attempts to minimize his relationship with Rezko.

Which begs the question, as Larry Johnson wrote:

Why is Barack not coming clean about his relationship with Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who is facing charges on federal corruption charges? If there really is nothing there, then don't do the Bill Clinton shuffle. Just tell the truth.

Judgment matters.  That's what led Tribune columnist Mark Brown to write today in "Time for Obama to come clean: To dismiss Rezko as 'somebody who I knew' just isn't going to cut it":

Barack Obama just keeps bobbling the Tony Rezko hot potato, and if he doesn't get a handle on it soon, his campaign for the presidency is going to be badly burned.

On Wednesday, the Illinois senator fumbled again as he continued to try to minimize his relationship with Rezko while making the rounds of the morning news shows.

"My relationship is he was somebody who I knew and had been a supporter for many years," Obama said on CBS in response to Hillary Clinton's "slumlord" attack from earlier this week. "He was somebody who had supported a wide range of candidates all throughout Illinois. Nobody had an inkling that he was involved in any problems."

Somebody who I knew?

Wow.

That's such an understatement that it borders on a falsehood.

Taylor Marsh has more:

As I pointed out in the lengthy investigative piece I just posted, this is a story about judgment and character. It's patently false for Obama to say "nobody had any indications" blah-blah-blah. On the land purchase alone, this happened when everyone knew of Rezko's problems, going back to 2006:


The transaction occurred at a time when it was widely known Tony Rezko was under investigation by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and as other Illinois politicians befriended by Rezko distanced themselves from him.

Antoin "Tony" Rezko is Barack Obama's Bernie Kerik.

You'll find more background here:

And this video is a must-watch, even though Brian Ross filed the story before the Sun-Times's revelation that Obama is the "unnamed political candidate" in the Rezko indictment.

Rezko goes on trial on February 25th in Chicago's federal courthouse.  

The world will be watching for any sign of Barack Obama's coming clean on his 17-year relationship with Tony Rezko.

But it will be up to the media to do their jobs.  Will they?  We'll see.

Update [2008-1-24 15:37:11 by susanhu]: Don't miss this diary by truthteller2007:
FACT CHECK: Obama, His Contributor Rezko, the Slum Landlord Business


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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 2)

you neglected to cite my piece.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:56:43 PM EST

Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 3)

I replied to you but somehow it got inserted as a new comment.  See my second comment below.


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:03:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (none / 0)

what do you say about the picture of the clintons with rezko?

Clintons = Hypocrisy!!!!


by rapcetera on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:37:05 AM EST
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just in case you thought I was kidding, (2.00 / 1)

Talk about hypocrisy......

This came out on the Today show this morning. Takes a lot of pull and power to get a picture taken with the Clintons while they were in power.....

also I've checked, this picture isn't doctored


by rapcetera on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:58:27 AM EST
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Re: just in case you thought I was kidding, (none / 0)

the clintons are not mentioned in the indictment, and rezko did not purchase their manstion.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:25:09 AM EST
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Re: just in case you thought I was kidding, (none / 0)

The photograph signifies nothing.


by truthteller2007 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:43:54 AM EST
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right ;-) (none / 0)

hehe

you're all hypocrites.


by rapcetera on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:47:28 AM EST
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Re: just in case you thought I was kidding, (none / 0)

He here's me in the same kind of 2 second photo op.

Hill Bill and Don


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 03:09:08 PM EST
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TRUTHTELLER: PLEASE E-MAIL ME! (none / 0)

susanunpc at gmail dot com

I have a proposal for you.


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:42:43 PM EST
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Re: TRUTHTELLER: PLEASE E-MAIL ME! (none / 0)

i contacted you.

sincerely,

truthteller2007


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:47:21 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 5)

Tips and comments are very welcome!


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:00:45 PM EST

This really is a BIG problem for Obama... (2.00 / 3)

Since he says he has "superior judgment". Obama clearly wasn't exercising "superior judgment" when he was dealing with Rezko, so this kills that argument. Obama really needs to come clean on Rezko, otherwise the GOP will take him to the cleaners on it.


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:13:22 PM EST
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Re: This really is a BIG problem for Obama... (none / 0)

Sounds as if the Clintons stepped in it...

Clinton denies knowing about photo with Rezko
Photograph shows Clinton standing with man she calls a 'slum landlord'

Clinton responds to Rezko photo
Jan. 25: Hillary Clinton tells TODAY's Matt Lauer she knows nothing about the photo.

After the renting of the Lincoln bedroom, does anyone believe that the Clintons wouldn't do anything for campaign financing? Shall we go back to the 1990s and get all of those old ghosts out of the closet?

Bye, Susanhu. Too late,


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 03:27:59 PM EST
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Clinton campaign financing by shergald (none / 0)

Interestingly list of Rezko contributions has Kerry, Durbin, Gore, George W Bush, lots of Obama but no Clinton!

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_deta il.php?st=IL&last=Rezko


by del on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 06:10:34 PM EST
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Re: Clinton campaign financing by shergald (none / 0)

"Interestingly list of Rezko contributions has Kerry, Durbin, Gore, George W Bush, lots of Obama but no Clinton!"

Interesting indeed. So you are saying that contributions to these high level Democrats: a previous presidential candidate, a senator, an ex-vice president and Nobel winner, and the current president, a Republican, is meaningless. Because your candidate Hillary did not receive any, she is above this lot, including now, Obama.

I believe that once Hillary's campaign contribution list is scrutinized, for just who it was that received earmark support from her as a senator in return for campaign contributions, and the remaining corporate contributors are, she will have to begin answering questions herself.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:06:12 AM EST
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Re: This really is a BIG problem for Obama... (none / 0)

Yes, because judgement whether or not to associate with a dodgy land developer is totally as important to the Republic as judgement whether or not to go to war.


Yours for the Revolution, Erik || Hope will heal us all.
by notapipe on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 05:26:20 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 2)

Thank you for the link.  I have been swamped with changing NoQuarter's blog to a new server, and have hardly had a chance to read any diaries.  Why don't you tell me what's key in your diary that needs to be added. Thanks!


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:02:07 PM EST

Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 3)

you recommended my diary, which was a fact check on the exchange between hillary and obama on rezko.  i assess the statements each made, and i explain how obama's connection to rezko involved more than five hours of legal work on a case involving a church.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:05:41 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 1)

Ah yes, I scanned it quickly yesterday.  But I was juggling about 10 balls in the air, getting phone calls, calling our tech guy in Malaysia, and tracking all the worried users at No Quarter all day while trying to stay up on what was posted here and about 20 other blogs.  Will you forgive me for not remembering to include your piece?  I hope so.


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:33:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 2)

I am used to it.  Perhaps one day I will be a member of the club.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:34:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (none / 0)

I very much enjoy your diaries.  I confess I don't know you, but would like to.  

E-mail me at susanunpc at gmail dot com


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:16:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (none / 0)

I just posted a diary in response to this diary.  I guess it is my attempt to develop the thematic of Obama's judgment.  


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:29:51 PM EST
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you GOTTA do one on the law firm (2.00 / 2)

Barry's work rep-ing the "non profit" community groups in the rezko deals and how that firm and these deals link with the daley machine, the chicago housing authority and minority set asides.

There is SO MUCH there - there...

they pretend he was a "civil rights" lawyer.  hogwash.  why did he chose to work at this 12 person firm ?

Of course it all had to do with his political ambitions, the daley machine and the black power structure.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:43:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 3)

i also posted the piece  with its many citations and its reproduction of documents just hours after the debate.  


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:15:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 3)

Yours was a knock-out piece of writing and research.  I recommended it as well, and posted a link in several diaries over at Dkos, but you know how it is over there.  Any meaningful discussion regarding Obama is nearly impossible.

Thanks for your work.  Very impressive.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:19:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 3)

when a candidate with little experience runs on being the most electable, it's harder to understand these problems in his past, whether or not he's actually guilty of anything. I feel personally fooled by him, he lied to Democrats when he claimed to have the 'right' experience. I hope this gets picked up before the February primaries and not after he may be our candidate.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:19:22 PM EST

Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (2.00 / 1)

Has Rezko been audtied?

What happened to the federal, (and state?) money intended for low income housing?


by Marsha1 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:20:23 PM EST

Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment (none / 0)

Audited, sorry.


by Marsha1 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:20:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)


Webster Hubbell
Webster Lee Hubbell (born 1949), known as Webster L. Hubbell and Webb Hubbell, was an Arkansas lawyer and politician. He was a lawyer in Pulaski County before serving as Mayor of Little Rock from 1979 until he resigned in 1981. He was appointed by Bill Clinton as chief justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. When Clinton became President, Hubbell was appointed as associate attorney general; he was generally considered the third most powerful person in the Justice Department. His wife is Suzanna "Suzy" Hubbell.

In December 1994, Hubbell pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges in connection with his handling of billing at the Rose Law Firm, a firm with partners that once included Hillary Clinton and Vince Foster. Hubbell admitted he had defrauded former clients and former partners out of $482,410.83. On June 28, 1995, Judge George Howard sentenced Hubbell to 21 months' imprisonment.[1]

[edit] Rose Law Firm billing records and resignation

In January 1993, Hubbell's former partners at the Rose Law Firm discovered what appeared to be irregularities in Hubbell's bills to clients. The Independent Counsel later found that Hubbell had billed clients for services he never performed, and that he failed to report that income on his tax returns. Shortly after Independent Counsel Robert Fiske opened a criminal probe into the matter, Hubbell resigned as associate attorney general on March 14, 1994.[1]

The day before Hubbell announced his resignation, there was a meeting of senior White House officials, including President Bill Clinton, First Lady Hillary Clinton, and Chief of Staff Mack McLarty. At the meeting, McLarty told Hillary Clinton that White House employees would "be supportive" of Hubbell. During the sixteen months after Hubbell's resignation, he received seventeen employment contracts from supporters of President Clinton. He received approximately $450,010 in consulting fees from those contracts, but did not report all of that income on his tax returns.[1]


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:31:00 PM EST

Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (2.00 / 1)

I predict the strategy of attempting to distract from current issues by bringing up random Clinton scandals from over a decade ago will not work out very well.  I mean, while you're at it, what about Travelgate?!?!?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:36:36 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

Eh.  I'd rather talk about the judgment involved in pardoning Mel Reynolds.


by Adam B on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:44:37 PM EST
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and (none / 0)

Mark Rich.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:47:24 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

I'm sure you understand the political salience of old news as well as I do.  Believe me, I still carry a grudge over Iran-Contra, but for some reason I can't get the media to return my calls.

What gets me are all these Obama supporters on the blogs who seem to believe that the country will reject Hillary once people realize what kind of stuff is in the Starr Report.  I mean, it's like they're all 18 or something.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:52:50 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

Indeed.  Anyone who would be repulsed by the notion of a President receiving oral sex from an intern while talking on the phone with world leaders has probably made that judgment already.  And none of that has to do with Hillary's own judgment.

The question is, basically, "how long does Clinton get to tar Obama over one connection before he should mention ten others on her side?"  And, seriously, Sandy Berger's a thief.


by Adam B on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:03:05 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (2.00 / 2)

Tony Rezko is the thief par excellence.  But at least Obama has his Kenwood mansion.  Is it heated?


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:05:19 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (2.00 / 1)

You don't understand the difference: Clinton brought Berger onto her campaign after he confessed his guilt in stealing classified documents.  Obama cut all ties with Rezko after his possible criminal actions were disclosed.


by Adam B on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:15:59 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (2.00 / 1)

Just as Obama wrote letters on Rezko's behalf on his state Senate stationary after one of Rezko's slums in Obama's Senate district was the subject of complaints as a result of Rezko's unwillingness to offer his tenants the basic service of heat.  


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:18:42 PM EST
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Knowledge (none / 0)

Was there any reason for Obama to be aware of such complaints?

And Clinton is aware of Sandy Berger's crime, no?


by Adam B on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:31:14 PM EST
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Re: Knowledge (none / 0)

I imagine a state Senator would know if housing funded by tax dollars in his district is failing to provide BASIC SERVICES to its tenants, especially when the person who owns and operates the slum in question IS ONE OF HIS CONTRIBUTORS.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:39:34 PM EST
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Re: Knowledge (none / 0)

Nice imagination there.  I don't really think you want your candidate to be on the hook for all her contributors like that.


by Adam B on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:53:47 PM EST
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Re: Knowledge (none / 0)

The Chicago Sun-Times documented the 1997 donation and the legal and political advocacy Obama performed on his behalf in 1998.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:55:38 PM EST
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Re: Knowledge (none / 0)

and in what year was any problem known publicly?


by Adam B on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:58:43 PM EST
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Re: Knowledge (none / 0)

1997  the sun-times knew of it.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:33:21 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

I sure wish I knew the real story about that Sandy Berger thing.

Anyway, all I really care about is the general election.  I know that if Hillary is the nominee, there will be efforts made to bring up all those old scandals; I have to make a judgment as to the efficacy of those attacks.

And if Obama is the nominee, I know there will be an attempt to bring up all this Rezko stuff, and I have to make a judgment as to the efficacy of those attacks.  It's far from a perfect judgment, I'm sure.  One thing I know - "Clinton's scandals were far worse" will not be much of a defense against the Republicans!

In terms of the primary, I'm not the kind of guy to go around saying "how dare he!" or "how dare she!" - for the most part.  So he's free and clear to bring up Webster Hubbell or whatever else, I just doubt it will get him very far.  I still haven't found anyone who cares about the Wal-Mart board thing.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:15:34 PM EST
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Why should the Clintons should get a pass? (none / 0)

Obama shouldn't have made the land deal, but why should the Clintons get a pass for their voluminous Shindig.

You want a currently pending case? Peter F. Paul has a pending case against Bill Clinton, the attacker-in-chief:


Peter F. Paul

Paul emerged in 2000 as the largest contributor to Senatorial candidate Hillary Clinton. Paul and his attorneys have at various times offered two explanations for this. First, that he was trying to attract her husband, then-President Bill Clinton, to serve on the board of Stan Lee Media after leaving office. Second, that he hoped to negotiate a pardon for his previous criminal convictions.[28][29] Paul produced and underwrote what he described as the largest fund raising event ever held for a federal candidate [30], in Los Angeles, days before the 2000 Democratic Convention began. The Hollywood Farewell Gala Salute to President William Jefferson Clinton featured prominent entertainers singing for the President, while raising over $1 million for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.[31] The event cost $1.9 million to organize according to Paul and $500,000 according to the Federal Election Commission filing, much of it borrowed fraudulently by Paul from Merrill Lynch. Later indictments would state that Merrill Lynch lost about $5 million it had lent to Paul.[29]
...
Paul's suit against former President Clinton remains, as of December 2007, outstanding. He is seeking $41.9 million in damages.[45]

Whoever thinks that the GOP won't pull out each and every one of the Clintons' dirty laundry with potential to stick out in the GE is living in a fantasy land.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:45:52 PM EST
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Web Hubbell went to jail for (none / 0)

padding his billable hours and for being close to the clintons.

ridculous comparison.

that fella's a twit.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:49:42 PM EST
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Re: Web Hubbell went to jail for (none / 0)

How about Sandy Berger, who's shockingly still welcome on Clinton's foreign policy team?


by Adam B on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:51:54 PM EST
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I pray that the obama campaign starts (none / 0)

with all that stuff.

it would:

guarantee his own terrible drubbing.

really bring out he very sordid rezko tale, which would demolish his future in the dem party.

spread the "meanie" label to him too, which he already has greatly earned.

immuunize hill like a flue shot from other such attacks.

{the sooner we get these crazy freeper charges like peter paul's confronted, investigated and beat down - the better}


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:40:29 PM EST
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Re: I pray that the obama campaign starts (2.00 / 1)

Sandy Berger is red meat for the GOP in the general election.  It is an own goal.

They need to just have Vernon Jordan find him a job somewhere far, far away.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:42:25 PM EST
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shhh, but its ok by me (none / 0)

his daughter hates me.  

i insulted her so perfectly once.

though she deserved it, her hate will last lifetimes.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:34:45 PM EST
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Why did he get the contracts from Clintonista (none / 0)

is the judgement question.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:51:56 PM EST
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Let me save you some time. (2.00 / 1)

Here, I Googled Clinton scandals, Clinton lies, Clinton fraud, and Clinton sex for you. Should save you some time later.


by Artificial Intelligence on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:05:30 PM EST
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90% of this was GOP manufactured. (none / 0)

And yet the Hillary haters on the left play all these Republican tunes. Perhaps they like Reagan too.


by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:45:38 PM EST
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Everything they did is open game now (none / 0)

thanks to the nastiness of the Clintons' tactics.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:40:02 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

Diversion is a tactic.  But none of you answer the essential questions about Obama's lack of judgment and attempts to distance himself from a major contributor.  

He even had the "audacity" to claim that he didn't know a Rezko associate.  Thing is, Obama hired the associate's son to work as an intern for the summer.  Oops.

That's just one instance.  But, I doubt you'll come up with any other defenses except diversion.


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:13:18 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

That doesn't even strike me as an inconsistency.  Why would he necessarily know the associate?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:17:07 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

From my Jan. 19th story:

Obama denies knowing Joseph Aramanda -- named as "Individual D" in the indictment, and who received $250,000 in "sham" finder's fees "demanded by Rezko" -- but "Obama's office hired Aramanda's son as an intern in 2005, at Rezko's urging," reports the Sun-Times.

Tell me how it's possible that Obama doesn't know who Aramanda is.


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:35:37 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

Does the Senator hire interns?  I don't believe President Clinton was responsible for all the interns his WH hired.


by Adam B on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:00:01 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

Real simple.  Let's say I'm Jack Abramoff and you're George Bush.  "George," I say to you, "I've got a buddy whose son is looking for something to keep him busy the next 6 months or so.  Think there are any internships or anything you could hook him up with?"

"No problem," you say, "I got people's kids runnin' all over this damn place.  I'll tell Andy you're gonna be calling him with the kid's name and he'll hook you up."

I have kids working in my office right now whom we employ as favors to someone or another, but I don't personally know all the people along the chain.  If Obama hires this kid for a few months as a favor to Rezko, what possible reason would he have for meeting the kid's father?  All he cares about is that Rezko wants to get this kid a job.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:18:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I said (none / 0)

Obama shouldn't have purchased his property from Rezko. Yes, it's bad judgement, but Obama admitted that it was bad judgement as LONG time ago.

But, it's ridiculous for the Clinton camp to be scandal mongering, given the mountains of their own scandals and obvious peddling and currying influence, even before we get to the sex scandals.

The Clintons and the Clinton campaign are building pretty bad karma with their nastiness towards Obama.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:38:23 PM EST
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Re: I said (none / 0)

The problem is, as the Chicago newspapers have pointed out, that the real estate deal for the Obamas' new home is too good to be true:

Obama buys a mansion at below-market price but doesn't want to buy the lot next door, which is required by the sellers, and on the same day Rezko's wife helpfully steps forward and buys the empty lot at full price.

Both newspapers have tried to find out more from 1) the real estate agents, and 2) the sellers, neither of whom will divulge what really went down.


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:38:41 PM EST
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you haven't said anything new (none / 0)

in this comment. Yes, Rezko's wife jumped in to help Obama, which Obama should not have accepted. And he said it was a "Dumb-headed mistake."


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:15:20 PM EST
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Re: you haven't said anything new (none / 0)

I'm afraid there's a little bit more to it than him being "dumb."

He knowingly colluded with an already-indicted man and wife who've given his campaign, what $168,000 in donations to get a mansion at far-below market price (suspicious in itself) .. and the indicted man's wife buys the empty lot at FULL price to sweeten the deal.


by susanhu on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:24:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you haven't said anything new (none / 0)

And then Obama pays Rezko's wife $60,000 more than he should for the 10 foot strip of land he purchased he desired in order to expand his yard.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:35:10 PM EST
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you are getting desperate (none / 0)

chill.  70 million dollars was spent to investigate the Clintons and it was discovered that Bill got a blow job.  There is nothing the media hates more than old news.  Sure people will bring it up, but it will go nowhere.  Where as all this Obama stuff is new and juicy and makes a lie of his whole rationale for running.  He's is no more the "politics of the future" than I am a prima ballerina.

And as far as bad Karma I think the Obama's are paying theirs for being the first to go on the attack.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:22:05 PM EST
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Clintons pulled the damn race card (none / 0)

Please see here: clintonattacksobama | Incident Tracker. Dirty, Rovian garbage.

They did that with no regard for the Democratic party's future. They should be ashamed of themselves for doing that. Hillary's case against McCain was already screwed up, and their own tactics will make sure that he'll have a rout.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:38:00 PM EST
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Re: How about Webster Hubbell? (none / 0)

Clinton may have thrown contracts Hubble's way.

Did Hubble launder money for him, or others?

Did Hubble at least do the work he was supposed to, or did he leave poor people to freeze?


by Marsha1 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:32:25 PM EST
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How 'bout Clinton's FL finance chair... (2.00 / 1)

It's not old news and the Clinton campaign has done nothing to distance themselves from him...

Hillary Clinton's Money Man
Chris Korge has raised millions for the Clintons. His past raises questions.
By Francisco Alvarado
Published: January 24, 2008

A snippet...

Korge, who declined to comment on the record for this story, has a long history of controversy. Though never charged with a crime, he has been at the center of four questionable deals at Miami International Airport that have cost taxpayers millions of dollars. One of them spawned a criminal investigation.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:44:44 PM EST

lol (none / 0)

what? Who?


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:23:35 PM EST
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Michelle attended Rezko fashion show 2weeks ago? (none / 0)

I read somewhere today or yesterday that she was guest of honor at some fashion show organized by this guy. I'm inclined not to believe it since it defies belief but is there any substance in this story? Anyone know.  


by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:43:25 PM EST

Re: Michelle attended Rezko fashion show 2weeks ag (none / 0)

Ms. Wal-Mart Tree House Foods attended the fashion show in November 2006.  I quote the Chicago Magazine:

The chair of the event was Rezko's wife, Rita, a member of the Cook County Employee Appeals Board, which hears cases brought by fired or disciplined workers. (She was appointed to the part-time post, which pays $37,000 a year, by John Stroger, the former president of the Cook County Board, whose 2002 campaign finance committee was headed by Tony Rezko.) The fashion show's honorary cochair was Governor Rod Blagojevich's wife, Patti, who owns a real-estate firm (and has been involved in real-estate deals with Tony Rezko dating back to 1997).

The event's sponsoring committee included Governor Blagojevich's former spokeswoman, Cheryle Jackson, who now heads the Chicago Urban League; Becky Ruff Chipparoni, whose husband, Guy Chipparoni, was the press secretary for then secretary of state Jim Edgar before setting up a public-relations firm in Chicago (Chipparoni has represented some of Rezko's businesses); and Hollie Rumman, whose husband, Michael Rumman, served as one of Blagojevich's cabinet members (and is an investor with Rezko in various deals, such as a proposed power plant in Iraq).

Michelle Obama, wife of the Democratic U.S. senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama, was a special guest that day (even though the news had just broken about Rezko's participation in a funky real-estate transaction involving the Obamas' Hyde Park home).

The fashion show attracted little if any media coverage, which may have been exactly as its organizers and sponsors had hoped. Just three weeks earlier, Tony Rezko had been indicted on charges of extorting kickbacks from businesses seeking contracts from the Blagojevich administration. Rezko has pleaded not guilty. The trial is scheduled for February 25th in the U.S. District Court for Northern Illinois.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:46:45 PM EST
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Re: Michelle attended Rezko fashion show 2weeks ag (none / 0)

Link to Chicago Magazine article.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:47:52 PM EST
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Re: Michelle attended Rezko fashion show 2weeks ag (none / 0)

Is Michelle nuts? She never struck me as being crazy but this is unbelievable. Well no more unbelievable than getting into a real estate transaction with some guy you knew was under investigation. This story is starting to get legs.    


by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:14:50 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment [UPDATE (2.00 / 1)

i am glad the chicago sun-times reproduced the photograph i posted in my fact check on rezko, which i wrote immediately after the debate.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:57:26 PM EST

Re: Obama/Rezk0 (2.00 / 1)

Reproductions of other Chicago Sun-Times and Chicago Tribune front pages can be found in the diary I wrote on Sunday. I believe I was the first to alert online audiences of these front pages.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:07:48 PM EST

hey bud (none / 0)

how does one post pictures in a diary.  id luv to be able to do that!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:45:05 PM EST
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you need an account at one of (none / 0)

the photo hosting sites.  You save pictures to your hard drive, then upload them to the site you I have chosen.  I use photo-bucket.  Then once you have pictures on account there you can post them here by using the code the site provides for every image.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:27:45 PM EST
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oh lord... (none / 0)

im such a luddite fool..

which is the easiest of these to use?

i LIKE pics!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:30:42 PM EST
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Re: oh lord... (none / 0)

[IMG]http://i26.tinypic.com/2rxtfro.jpg[/IMG]


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:45:42 PM EST
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Re: you need an account at one of (none / 0)

I use tinypic.com, which you don't even need an account for.  Just save the picture to your desktop, go to tinypic.com, browse for the file and click upload.  It gives you a little img code you can paste into comments to make the picture show up.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:30:49 PM EST
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to put in diaries (none / 0)

do you just cut and paste?


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:40:30 PM EST
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Re: to put in diaries (none / 0)

Yeah, you cut and paste that img code.  Just use preview to make sure it looks right.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:44:45 PM EST
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Re: to put in diaries (none / 0)

yeah, try tinypic.  I have been having trouble with photobucket lately.  I am going to go try tinypic too.  I never heard of it before.  Cool


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:58:30 PM EST
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Re: to put in diaries (none / 0)

[IMG]http://i32.tinypic.com/auxjxz.jpg[/IMG]


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:07:20 PM EST
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Re: to put in diaries (none / 0)

Image and video hosting by TinyPic


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:10:44 PM EST
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Re: to put in diaries (none / 0)

[IMG]http://i26.tinypic.com/2rxtfro.jpg[/IMG]


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:47:38 PM EST
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Re: to put in diaries (none / 0)

"http://tinypic.com" target="_blank">Image and video hosting by TinyPic


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:49:08 PM EST
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Re: to put in diaries (none / 0)

http://tinypic.com" target="_blank"></p

Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:50:41 PM EST
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Re: to put in diaries (none / 0)

Not that one, the one in the box above it.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:50:31 PM EST
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Re: to put in diaries (none / 0)

but how does on do his?

which kind for diaries and which for comments.

and do i remove some  code stuff.  somehow i got a  pic up by removing some code around it....aargh!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 10:56:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: (2.00 / 2)

Yes, Obama's brats are a scream.  

They loathe the Clintons, much as the MSM has for fifteen years--why, they ask, don't the Democrats reject them?  

Why, they are sleaze!  Why, they are corrupt!  Why, there are all these sexual allegations!

As if the 1990s had never taken place.  

As if a near decade of investigating every aspect of their personal and professional lives, with a Right Wing zealot like Ken Starr at the helm were not enough.

As if the impeachment of the only elected United States President (Andrew Johnson was not elected) were not enough.

As if talking heads shouting into cameras and hurling anti-Clinton invective for fifteen years--the gang from Russert to Matthews to Williams to Hiffington--were not enough.

As if corronnating an unvetted, three-year Senate novice with Oprah Winfrey megamillions, big endorsements, and the entire news media fawning over him for thirteen months were not enough.

As if cooking opinion polls before New Hampshire and playing race cards in South Carolina were not enough.

And making a skewered Iowa caucus with tens of thousands of bused-in and well paid for Obama minions were somehow more representative than actual Democratic primary voters themselves.

As if 238,000 Michigan Hillary Clinton voters didn't matter at all.  Or the Florida hundreds of thousands destined to vote for her shouldn't matter at all.

As if a Nevada 51-45% somehow pointed to an Obama delegate victory.

Yes, the MSM has done it all for Obama.  He is the honey of the GOP, many an "indie," many a Democratic outsider.

The only thing he doesn't have--and shall never have, is the base of the Democratic Party itself.

Those persons do not abandon their true and glorious past, from FDR's New Deal to JFK's New Frontier to LBJ's Great Society--and to the Clinton years of comparative peace and prosperity.

Yes, Obama has bought into the Reagan line; the senile actor had it right--everyone else had it wrong.

Now, if only Obama were running as someone other than a Democrat.

Because, as it is, whatever the results of the South Carolina primary (now THERE is something which is now truly meaningless), after Florida, and certainly after Super Tuesday, we bedrock Democrats are taking back our party.

The Obama minions can find themselves a party of their own.


by lambros on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:09:09 PM EST

i always start reading you (2.00 / 1)

and think - who is this smart person - then i see your moniker..and go well, of course...

good stuff.


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:49:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama/Rezko: (none / 0)

Don't worry, many Obama supporters will vote for anyone but Rodham. thanks.


by Lawdawg on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 08:29:37 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: (none / 0)

At least Hillary desires to unify the party, not divide it.


by truthteller2007 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 11:46:06 PM EST
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Depression setting in (none / 0)

Amazing how MyDD has become a hangout for fans of the party establishment.  What started as a Deaniac hangout, and last time I came around here, it seemed  that Edwards was the golden boy. Now either Hillary's folks have discovered the place or the JE folks have seen the  light shone by the party elders.  In either case, Ron Paul's supporters have nothing on you all. I guess the lessons of going with the party establishment's safe choice (Humphrey, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, & Kerry) will go unlearned forever. Our only two successful candidates since LBJ have been the anti-insiders who had appeal beyond the base. So now it looks like we'll have another base-only campaign. I'll vote D in the general like I always do, and we'll lose, like we usually do. Sigh.


by tawinmd on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:07:22 AM EST

Re: Depression setting in (none / 0)

Oh, how I regret nominating Al Gore!  Well, maybe not.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:30:52 PM EST
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Re: Depression setting in (none / 0)

I don't remember Humphrey, but Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry..I liked these guys fine. And I think Hillary would certainly be better than any of the Republicans in the race. I just have no idea how she expects to win if she appeals only to the very same people these other decent folks have won.  Aiming to hit 271 electoral votes on the nose, the way the last 2 campaigns attempted won't work. I just don't believe we should rely on Mark Penn's super-secret micro-targeting strategy of promising to deliver just that one  tiny social program that voter X wants and that other tiny social program that voter Y wants to put together just enough votes to win.  The Democratic brand then becomes what it always is: a laundry list of tiny little expertly designed programs that Republicans will pick apart as wasteful and small minded. Those criticisms work because most people aren't voters X and Y.  If we don't have a unifying, hopeful vision of the future for the whole country, even if it's vague, we're not going to win anyone but voters X & Y.  It's just not enough.


by tawinmd on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 12:00:30 AM EST
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Re: Depression setting in (none / 0)

amen.


Who killed our leaders? Who holds our reins? Who is our enemy?
by dem sam on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:54:29 PM EST
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Re: Depression setting in (none / 0)

Seriously? That's her self-selected selling point, knowing how to work within the current system. Not that that's a bad thing in itself, but how is she anything but a conventional party insider? Bill Clinton and Terry McAuliffe won't let her in the clubhouse or what????


by tawinmd on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:43:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment [UPDATE (none / 0)

this article is sleaze.

you are as bad as the swift boaters, and should be ashamed.


Who killed our leaders? Who holds our reins? Who is our enemy?
by dem sam on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:54:06 PM EST

Re: Obama/Rezko: It Comes Down to Judgment [UPDATE (none / 0)

You know, I've followed your diaries here and, as someone without a specific horse in this race, I can't understand why you have so much bile stored up against Obama in particular.  Many of the same types of criticisms could be leveled just as accurately, or inaccurately, against Edwards or Clinton.  Yet, you singlemindedly have set out to attack Obama.  From whence cometh the bile?

In the intro to the book "The Political Brain," the author discusses how partisans were essentially INCAPABLE of seeing actual fault in their preferred candidate.  They were able to rationalize away any inconsistencies between their idealized view of their candidate and the candidate's actual positions.  I think that's what is going on here, and in other hit pieces done in reference to the other candidates.  You all apparently don't realize that we will be running against a Republican in 2008.


by leveller on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 04:41:58 PM EST

This is silly (none / 0)

I didn't care about this kind of bullshit when the Clintons did it, why should I give a shit now?


Yours for the Revolution, Erik || Hope will heal us all.
by notapipe on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 05:36:35 PM EST


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