South Carolina Is Not Over

I'm going to reiterate something I said during the run up to the Nevada caucuses, when a lot of folks assumed that Barack Obama was bound to win on the basis of selected polling and endorsements: Don't call it a win until it's a win.

The Obama campaign has done a remarkably poor job playing the expectations game, spinning the media (or at least allowing the media to get spun) into believing that Obama was a surefire winner in New Hampshire and Nevada, making relatively narrow losses (and even a seeming win in the delegate count out of Nevada) look like much more significant losses. And it looks like they're doing it again in South Carolina, offering their candidate somewhat of a lose-lose situation (or decreasing his potential upside) by talking about a victory before it has even occurred:

Obama's brain trust believes that Clinton's decision to essentially cede South Carolina to him will backfire, as it will allow him to demonstrate that Iowa was not a fluke -- he can turnout young voters everywhere -- and, that African Americans will resent her refusal to participate in "their" primary.

Why the Obama campaign is helping the Clinton campaign lower expectations in South Carolina -- particularly after that strategy proved to be an abject failure in the wake of the last two nominating contests -- is beyond me. And it's not as if the Clinton team isn't already working overtime to lower expectations for Clinton so that if she loses it isn't a big deal but if she wins it is. Hillary Clinton has spent a good deal of time outside of the Palmetto state this week, a key facet of the campaign's efforts to lower expectations in the state (even as Bill Clinton has campaigned ferociously in her place). Here's Bill Clinton yesterday:

Bill Clinton said Wednesday he expects blacks to vote for Barack Obama and women to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton, and the dynamic may cause his wife to lose the South Carolina Democratic presidential primary Saturday.

The expectations lowering doesn't get much more blatant than that.  But rather than push back effectively, the Obama campaign seems to only be feeding it. I suppose that there is the potential for a bandwagon effect to take place where more people decide to vote for Obama in South Carolina because he is perceived to be a sure winner -- but that certainly did not occur in New Hampshire earlier this month. So were I part of the Obama leadership team, I'd be saying the following (which I, even as a relatively detached observer believe): South Carolina is not over.

Update [2008-1-24 14:38:6 by Jonathan Singer]: The Obama campaign did put out a memo (which I've added below the fold) under the heading "Hillary Clinton going all out to win in South Carolina." Maybe that will help with push back in the expectations game. But when other advisors are talking to the press about Clinton ceding the state, it seems to be there's a bit of dissonance in the messaging there.

Update [2008-1-24 14:59:1 by Jonathan Singer]: It looks like Chris Bowers has some thoughts on the matter.

To: Interested Parties

Fr: Joe Erwin, Former South Carolina Democratic Party Chair

Re: Hillary Clinton going all out to win in South Carolina

There’s an old South Carolina saying that goes like this – some people would rather climb a tree to tell a fib than stand on the ground and tell the truth. The truth is Hillary Clinton’s campaign is pulling out all the stops to win in South Carolina. And it includes saying and doing just about anything to win.

Judge the Clinton campaign on their actions rather than their spin:

· On Monday, Clinton’s own state chairman, Don Fowler, publicly stated that despite negative ratings in the 40s, Hillary Clinton would win South Carolina. [SC ETV, January 21, 2008] The day before, Fowler said “I’m confident with the kind of campaign we’re running, next week we’re going to win.” [AP, January 20, 2008]

· The Clinton campaign has made a long-term investment in South Carolina starting 7 months ago, opening offices across the state and hiring over 100 staff, in addition to importing scores of staff from Iowa and Nevada.

· Just before Christmas, the Clinton campaign brought in Steve Bouchard, nationally renowned political and field expert, to take over the South Carolina operation.

· The Clinton campaign has spent well over $135,000 on consultants like State Senator Darrell Jackson specifically to compete for votes in South Carolina’s African-American community.

· Hillary Clinton has the support of former Governor Richard Riley, former Congressman Butler Derrick and dozens of state legislators and local officials. They are pulling out all the stops to win.

· In the last week, the Clinton campaign nearly doubled their TV buy, expanding from spending about $236,000 on a mostly cable TV buy to more than $414,000 on wall-to-wall broadcast TV in every major market in the state.

· On Wednesday, the Clinton campaign launched a dishonest statewide radio ad falsely attacking Barack Obama. It’s the first negative ad aired by any Democratic presidential campaign in South Carolina this year.

· South Carolina women are getting calls from the National Organization for Women (NOW) deliberately distorting Barack Obama’s record on women’s issues, just as the Clinton campaign and their allies did in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada.

· At stop after stop, Bill Clinton repeated attacks on the Obama health care plan, remarks on Ronald Reagan and record of opposing the war in Iraq that experts like Robert Reich and media outlets like factcheck.org and the Washington Post have shown to be false.

· Despite the fact that 59% of the expected turnout in the January 26 Democratic primary will be women, the Clinton campaign somehow argues that Hillary Clinton cannot win in South Carolina because of her gender.

· Public polling just a few weeks showed Hillary Clinton with a strong lead in South Carolina. (Clinton led Obama 45-31% in AP/Pew Research poll, November 7-25; Led 45-21% in ARG poll November 26-29; and led 42-34% in a CNN poll, December 9-12.) Now that her lead has evaporated, the Clinton campaign claims she can’t win here.

· Now, the Clinton campaign will bring Hillary herself back to the state earlier than they previously planned, with a major economic policy address scheduled today in Greenville and a massive rally planned for Friday night in Charleston with both Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Barack Obama is running a very different campaign in South Carolina, reaching out to voters in every part of the state with campaign to unify Americans for change. Rather than a campaign of deception and division, Obama has generated real momentum in South Carolina by speaking the truth, offering hope and never swaying from his deeply held belief in the core decency of the American people.



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Why does Obama lose the expectations game? (none / 0)

because he's a rookie


by world dictator on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:34:27 PM EST

Re: Why does Obama lose the expectations game? (none / 0)

The Obama camp, in fairness, is between a rock  and a hard place.

They need to raise expectations to bring out the African American vote but by doing is even a small win will be seen as a loss.  

On the other hand if they lower expectation African American may make the expectation a reality.


by kristoph on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:46:59 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

No one could agree more. Obama is not a shoe-in in SC, and Hillary's leaving the field could itself become a rallying point to save her from an undeserved loss. Bill didn't situate himself in Harlem for small reason. And now we have Black leaders coming forth claiming that a Black candidate CANNOT be elected president. You know who I mean.


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by shergald on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:35:46 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

Thanks for the analysis Jonathan. If Clinton falls to third in SC, as Zogby's (yes: shallow and incomplete) poll numbers teasingly hint, and JRE comes second then what are your thoughts?


by inexile on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:36:04 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

if a tree falls in the woods, and no one pays attension- did it really fall? that would be my answer.


by bruh21 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:38:25 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

Chris Bowers cites this Obama memo to show that Obama is making an effort to lower expectations.

For his part, Chris doesn't seem to find either effort to manage expectations that convincing or important.


by DPW on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:42:41 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

Sorry, I posted this before you updated with the Obama memo.


by DPW on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:46:02 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

On paper, Obama is the clear favorite. He won 80% of the African American vote in NV (women and men combined), he has a better managed team, more of the SC establishment and (by his own admission) a better ground game.

No amount of spin could help Obama survive a loss.

Obama does expect to win but they may win in single digits which would be spun against Obama by the MSM.

Personally, I think Obama is not doing himself ANY favors by attacking Bill Clinton who is a HUGE asset for Hillary Clinton. The piece on Clinton yesterday certainly lost Obama 3-4 points. Bill Clinton is a freaking political genius.


by kristoph on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:52:39 PM EST
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Be nice if he was on our side... (none / 0)

...instead of his own. I guess we're lucky that some of our goals happen to agree, but strengthening the Democratic party is not one of them.


by MNPundit on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:13:14 PM EST
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Re: Be nice if he was on our side... (none / 0)

This is a primary, I don't know what you want from the guy.  Bill Clinton has been the leading spokesman for the Democratic Party's values for years and years.  Barack Obama is still trying to figure out how to talk about them without offending his friends across the aisle.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:21:06 PM EST
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Re: Be nice if he was on our side... (none / 0)

This would be the only twice elected DEMOCRATIC president since FDR. Why do you make statements like this

"but strengthening the Democratic party is not one of them."

Even if you have a good case sometimes MN then you make ludicrous statements like this. It makes you look silly. Why do you do it?  


by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:51:36 PM EST
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Re: Be nice if he was on our side... (none / 0)

C'mon how dead was the party after Clinton?

How much infrastructure, how much grass-roots, how much push-back against consultants? How much push-back against the DLC? Against entrenched Clinton cronies all over the party?

I'm not saying Obama wouldn't do some of that, but Clinton was the leader of party and did nothing to help it and a lot to hurt it, institutionally.


by MNPundit on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 09:45:58 PM EST
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If the Clinton's win Obama is done, (none / 0)

He may as well concede.

If Obama wins big with 65 or 70% of the black vote he still loses.

He has made himself the African American candidate.

Obama has to show in SC that he can do well with whites and latinos.  Granted I don't think there is much of a latino vote in SC.

I think everyone expects Obama to win.  It is how he wins.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:43:38 PM EST

Re: If the Clinton's win Obama is done, (none / 0)

No question that Obama must disassociate himself from the notion of being the Black candidate. Still, he needs SC, as without it, the going will be tough, indeed.


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by shergald on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:54:43 PM EST
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Re: If the Clinton's win Obama is done, (none / 0)

"He has made himself the African American candidate."

Obama was the African American candidate when he beat Hillary by 9 points in Iowa in an almost entirely 100% white electorate. Obama was African American when Hillary needed to cry in the all white state of NH to pull out a 2 point victory.

Do you think he won the white vote in Iowa because somehow Iowans could not tell that he was African American. Think about that..

He's getting the AA vote for the same exact reason that JFK got 90% of the Irish catholic vote.


by joachim on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:23:37 PM EST
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Re: If the Clinton's win Obama is done, (none / 0)

The guy who bought race into this was Obama by that ridiculous reaction to the LBJ comment. To be honest it was probably one of his staffers but then he couldn't get off the train. The Clintons then brilliantly turned the whole thing against him. No doubt you consider this disgusting but that's politics it aint beanbag.  


by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:54:53 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

The problem is that they're trying to sell one message in SC - "Hillary has given up on your votes, she doesn't respect you" - and another message elsewhere - "Hillary is going all out, if we win it's really meaningful."  Hard to execute that maneuver in the Internet age.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:46:13 PM EST

Anything Less Than +15 Is A Loss (none / 0)

If Obama doesn't win by 15, it will be spun as a loss.


by BigBoyBlue on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:53:54 PM EST

Re: Anything Less Than +15 Is A Loss (none / 0)

Well, Hillary spun a small win in NH, 5 points, when she was expected to win by more than 15.

A win is a win, whether it is by a point or several points, and it will be spun as such.


Click on Peace, Propaganda, & The Promised Land and learn the truth about the I/P conflict.
by shergald on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 02:56:46 PM EST
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Re: Anything Less Than +15 Is A Loss (none / 0)

Wow, that's pretty disingenuous.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:17:19 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

You would think that a group of street-sasvy Chicago clubhouse types wouldn't fall into these traps.
I', not saying that Obama isn't ready for priome time, but why is he signing up for 13 weeks of Saturday Night Live?
by spirowasright on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:03:16 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

I don't think Obama really can lower expectations for South Carolina. The media has been hyping Obama's lead among Hillary with the black vote for a while now, and we know over 50% of the Democratic primary vote will be African American. I agree he did play the New Hampshire and Nevada expectation game poorly, but here he's kind of in a box. That spinning of Clinton's expectation is not going to do anything. Hillary was out of the state on Tuesday and Wednesday, clearly she's not playing to win.


by Christopher Lib on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:08:30 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

I wasn't aware Clinton was supposed to win NH by more than 15pts shergald.....I'm not sure she was even aware of that either...


by werd2406 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:29:14 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

Obama NEVER LEAD IN NEVADA!


by orin76 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:41:51 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

He led in at least one pre-election poll just ahead of the caucuses.


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by Jonathan Singer on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:59:58 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

Facts mean nothing to these folks.  


by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:37:32 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

Neither does grammar, apparently.


by arkansasdemocrat on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:40:13 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

the closest obama ever got was with in 5 points of Clinton, in the last week before the primary.


by orin76 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:44:39 PM EST

Check out pollster.com (none / 0)

Of the first two Nevada polls after New Hampshire, in one Clinton led by 3 and in the other Obama led by 2.  Those were the only recent polls available until 2-3 days before the caucus, so they did a lot to set expectations.


by Trickster on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:51:41 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

I am so over Bill Clinton.  The past two weeks gives us a glimpse of what he wants.  He wants access to the oval office again.  He minimizes Hillary by opening his mouth, he is lying as much as Bush, and he is damaging/destroying the Democratic Party.

Bill Clinton might as well join the R party as he is helping them everyday.  I thought we would have a D in the White House next election for sure-now it is highly possible we may have more Republicans in the White House-if that happens I will Blame Bill Clinton!


by lja on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:47:00 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

I reject that.  How can you destroy a party that never wins?  Even when they do win- like in Congress- they can't do anything with it.  I'm seeing more and more people lining up with the Clintons because they know what it takes to win the Presidency- whether people agree with their methods or not, people seem to be remembering he's the only Democratic President we've had in the last 25 years- so maybe letting them take the reigns isn't such a bad thing after all.  It's better than LOSING.


by reasonwarrior on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:31:06 PM EST
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You may be, most are not. (none / 0)

I'd like you to give me one example where he is lying. The mere fact that you claim that someone who has suffered more Republican abuse than any one in living memory is a Republican suggests your gyroscope may be on the blink.


by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:35:28 PM EST
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I Don't Think the SC Electorate Has Decided (none / 0)

They will decide by Friday night.  And that fact means that Obama has not sold the deal.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 03:51:59 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

yeah that was a really accurate poll it had edwards 23% higher than he finished


by orin76 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:04:10 PM EST

DUDES AND COUNTRYMEN (none / 0)

Look at this Clemson poll courtesy of Real Clear Politics:

Clemson    01/15 - 01/23    LV    27(O)    20(C)    17(E)   Obama +7.0

How would Ace Ventura put it?  "Undecided much?  Much too much."


by Zeitgeist9000 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:42:57 PM EST

Re: NEW SURVEY USA poll just released (none / 0)

NEW SC POLL  JAN 22-23RD Out just now from SurveyUSA

Obama 45%
Clinton 29%
Edwards 22%

last poll a week ago:
Obama  un changed
Clinton down 7 pts
Edwatds up 7 pts


by BDM on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:54:20 PM EST
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Re: NEW SURVEY USA poll just released (none / 0)

Willing to risk you're life savings on Survey USA.
You can, I won't.
by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:17:38 PM EST
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Re: DUDES AND COUNTRYMEN (none / 0)

This is an awful poll for Obama. It may be an outlier but taken with the Rassmussen poll it suggests somethings happening there. But what?


by ottovbvs on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:31:56 PM EST
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Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

I think it's too late for him to lower expectations- not in two days.  It's already too much in the public consciousness he is going to win pretty big with black voters.  I think it would take at least a week to erase that in people's minds.  Most people are not glued to the internet and TV 24/7.   Polls- I don't believe them anymore- nothing would surprise me- Clinton could certainly come in 3rd- or even sneak in and be 1st.  We'll know when the voting is over.


by reasonwarrior on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:13:54 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

It looks like to me that Obama could very well have a race on his hands. Due to the masterful managing of expectations by the Clinton camp and the awkward way that the Obama camp has been handling the same, a single digit victory by Obama is a big disappointment for him.

Having said that, it seems as likely that HRC will finish third as win.


by arkansasdemocrat on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:42:16 PM EST

Re: South Carolina Is Not Over (none / 0)

I think dpA's comment about Obama becoming the AA candidate is absolutely correct.   Until his campaign played the race victim card, he was a multicultural candidate in a [mostly] colorblind race.  (I'm cribbing from an article in today's LA TIMES, which put it very well.)

By playing the racial identity card, Obama has really locked down the AA vote, which has shifted very much in his direction.   It will probably win him South Carolina but Axelrod can't get the genie back into the bottle and it will cost him elsewhere.

A pity.  Sure, people knew he was black, even if not "real" black, i.e., out of the traditional African American experience, but it wasn't a big deal.  And he was succeeding pretty well.  


by InigoMontoya on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:54:45 PM EST


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