Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him?

The two polls taken since John McCain's South Carolina win on Saturday show he's gotten absolutely no bounce going into Florida on the 29th. The latest Rasmussen Reports (750 LVs, Jan. 20, MOE +/- 4%) and Survey USA (518 LVs, Jan. 20, MOE +/- 4.4%) polls out of Florida show not much change; if anything, it's Romney who got a bounce out of his back to back Michigan and Nevada wins.

CandidateRasmussen (1/9-12)Survey USA (1/11-13)RCP 6-poll Ave.
Romney25 (18) 19 (18)19.3
McCain20 (19)25 (25)23.3
Giuliani19 (18)20 (23)20
Huckabee13 (17)14 (18)16

So is this a good thing or a bad thing? I've been working under the assumption that I'd much prefer to run against Romney in November than against McCain but I've heard several people argue not only that McCain would be eminently beatable but that we should hope he's the nominee as it would actually be quite easy to run against him. That may be so, but for now, I stick to my hope that Romney wins the nomination.

Just yesterday I heard of yet another Democrat who has said he would consider voting for McCain, something I've heard over and over from moderate Democrats and independents. Now, I believe we could eat away at this low-information support for McCain fairly easily considering his consistent anti-choice position and the fact that his foreign policy would clearly be a continuation of Bush's, but the fact that he has this goodwill among otherwise Democratic voters I see as a problematic place from which to start. This support McCain has among the broad political middle points to the larger reason I'd prefer a Romney nomination. 2008 is a huge opportunity for the Democratic Party to brand itself as the party of the mainstream. Certainly this branding is underway as we've seen independents and some Republicans flee to the Democratic Party from the extremist and out of touch policies of Bush and the Republican congress. But 2008 will be the first presidential election since the country has clearly shifted in our direction on virtually every issue from Iraq to health care and global warming. The real problem I see in McCain is that, setting aside his embrace of the surge and his desire to keep troops in Iraq for hundreds of years, he's actually quite sane on several issues that Democrats have a unique opportunity to claim as their own, among them fighting global warming, instituting comprehensive and compassionate immigration reform, opposing torture and closing Guantanamo Bay. Now, McCain's positions on these issues are problematic for him among conservatives, leading Rush Limbaugh to claim a McCain nomination would "ruin the party," but the fact is McCain would blur some of the distinctions that I feel it's imperative for us to be able to draw with the Republicans in November.



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lag time (none / 0)

I think this campaign has shown that it generally takes at least 3 days before bumps from previous wins show up in the polls.  I would give it a full week to guage the effect of SC.


by StrongDem08 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:02:27 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain (none / 0)

I think we should root against McCain because of his dangerous foreign policy. The military industrial complex has had a major effect on this country's psyche and economy over the last 10 years.  McCain getting elected will weaken the anti war framing of the Iraq war in the media and the casual voter.


by Pravin on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:05:05 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain (none / 0)

All good point. Sadly, right now I believe that if the elections were held today, McCain would beat Hillary in short order.


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by shergald on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:24:56 PM EST
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So you've been telling us for months. (none / 0)

In fact you've suggested a monkey on a stick could beat Clinton so your cred on this question is a little questionable.


by ottovbvs on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:31:01 PM EST
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Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain (none / 0)

I dont think McCain would necessarily win. I just dont want to take the chance.


by Pravin on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:31:58 PM EST
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Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (2.00 / 1)

The media is always an important consideration.

With McCain, we would obviously be fighting the mother of all uphill battles against the media in trying to rebrand him.

Romney, on the other hand, is ALREADY a joke with the media.  They don't like him and they already know he's a bullshitter.

If the matchup were Obama against Romney, god, the press advantage would be insane!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:05:21 PM EST

any of our candidates would beat Romney (none / 0)

A lot of evangelicals would stay home. A few million evangelicals staying home would erase any chance for the GOP to win the nationwide popular vote, and would hurt the GOP in a lot of down-ticket races as well.


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by desmoinesdem on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:19:37 PM EST
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Re: any of our candidates would beat Romney (none / 0)

I think the danger with Romney comes if people stay focused on the economy as the issue. A lot of low information voters could fall for his "I'm a businessman my opponent has never even run a convience store" bit.


by world dictator on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:46:31 PM EST
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Re: any of our candidates would beat Romney (none / 0)

Yeah, you've got a point. After cruising some Republican blogs I've come to the conclusion that Republicans just don't like McCain. All in all it doesn't matter who they nominate between Hucakbee, McCain, Giuliani or Romney because one group will sit home with any of them.


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by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:22:22 PM EST
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Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (none / 0)

The media thinks Romney is a joke?
Would you please explin that to Collin COwherd, Stephen A. Smith and Mike Mucinelli of ESPN Radio?
They all think Mittens is the next president.
by spirowasright on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:31:30 PM EST
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Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (none / 0)

How funny.  I guess we can only hope that most people don't get their politics coverage from ESPN Radio.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:33:13 PM EST
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Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (none / 0)

It's probably no worse than the sports coverage on C-SPAN.


by InigoMontoya on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 06:12:19 PM EST
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Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain (none / 0)

Let's also not forget that if Romney runs instead of McCain, he will stir up some religious doubts in potential voters and that may offset some of the gender or race related doubts(Hillary and OBama) by the milder bigots in the country.  


by Pravin on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:07:36 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain (none / 0)

I was saying the same thing to my mother just last night. In Romney vs. Obama or Romney vs. Clinton match-ups each candidate has a "minority" (and I use that word very loosely, for lack of a better one) disadvantage.


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by forecaster15 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:23:24 PM EST
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its not complicated. against. (none / 0)


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:09:05 PM EST

I Think (none / 0)

That soft Democrats who support McCain would be offset by hard-line Republicans who would vote for Hillary.  It may by a repeat of '64 where McCain's direct predecessor, Goldwater, experienced such a fractured convention that most of the traditional Republican support went to LBJ.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:09:15 PM EST

Re: I Think (none / 0)

We are not the same country we were in 1964. Hardline republicans are not going to support Hillary. I can't think of a democrat or a republican they hate more than her (except maybe her husband.)


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by JDF on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:12:06 PM EST
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Hardline Repugs 32-35% of electors. (none / 0)

They are NEVER going to vote for any democrat.


by ottovbvs on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:14:27 PM EST
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Re: Hardline Repugs 32-35% of electors. (none / 0)

This is my point.


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by JDF on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 06:44:54 PM EST
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Re: I Think (none / 0)

Hardline republicans who hate McCain are no more likely to vote for Hillary. They will either vote for third party or stay home.


by Pravin on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:12:41 PM EST
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republicans for Hillary? (none / 0)

that is going to take me awhile to digest.


d
by d on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:19:52 PM EST
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Re: republicans for Hillary? (none / 0)

Actually that's not out of the question. When we talk about how "All Republicans hate Hillary" we are being very fast and loose. Most Republican voters -- and voters in general -- don't really hate any politicians. They don't think enough about politics to have that strong a position. I can think of many Republican, particularly moderate Republican, women who would see the historic nature of Hillary's candidacy, have fond memories of the economy during the Clinton years, and be turned off by either a 72 year old bitter guy (McCain) or a slippery maybe-conservative (Romney). I can imagine Hillary getting up to 20% of the Republican vote, nearly all women. Polls generally bear this out, which is why she does at least as well as Obama in head-to-heads. Edwards beats them all, but -- sigh -- that's a story for another day.


by ColoradoGuy on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:21:27 PM EST
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Re: republicans for Hillary? (none / 0)

20% of republicans will vote for Hillary?

I guess you are predicting a landslide in November.

Does she lose any states in this scenario?


d
by d on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:34:50 PM EST
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Re: republicans for Hillary? (none / 0)

I think Mark Penn claimed he could see as much as 25% of Republican women crossing party lines to vote for Hillary.  However, there hasn't been much evidence of that in the primaries to date.

Mind you, I personally know Republican women who will probably vote for Hillary in the GE, but I tend to look for more than just anecdotal evidence.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 05:20:51 PM EST
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McCain was always their strongest candidate BUT (none / 0)

He's go a big hill to climb. Consider:

The animus against him amongst the Republican base. It always amazes me but it's huge. The reason is because he behaves like a democrat much of the time which is why he's popular with democrats. Repugs are not going to die for this guy.

Political landscape is massively loaded against him. Eight years of Republican disaster. Imagine those ad with him and Bush hugging each other. Message: if you liked Bush you'll love McCain. Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran is going to be played a lot.

His age and rather cranky persona. The guy will be 71 when he takes over for godsake. And he often looks it. I had great respect for Bob Dole who was similar in some respects but he will be positioned as pensioner who should call it a day.

The campaign. His grasp of some of the more complex issues is a bit shaky whereas Clinton handles them with consumate ease. She'll run rings round him in debates.

Gender issues. Given Clinton's huge advantage amongst women voters he has some serious baggage most importantly he wants to overturn Roe.

There's lots more. Anyone want to add to list.  

   


by ottovbvs on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:11:17 PM EST

Root For Romney (none / 0)

I agree with Todd's analysis.

Yes, we should all root for Romney over McCain.


by Demo37 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:14:16 PM EST

uh....duh... (none / 0)

...McCain will be very hard for any Democrat to beat in November.  It won't be a cakewalk for him, but he will be hard to beat.

Hillary will have a hard time beating him.


d
by d on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:18:26 PM EST

McCain/Romney (none / 0)

Romney is an AWFUL candidate - I'm thinking Mondale/Dukakis territory (and that's even before you get to the Mormon question).  He's a guaranteed loser.

McCain on the other hand, could win.  The hard-core wingnuts will hold their noses and vote for him in a heartbeat.  Some non-wingnuts respect him.


by NC State Dem on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:21:48 PM EST

does (none / 0)

It doesn't matter... I do want to suspect who is more electable on GOP's side...

Hillary can and will beat anyone of them.


by prisonbreak on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:25:34 PM EST

Re: does (none / 0)

Oh sure ... the way Hillary and her supporters have treated Obama and his supporters, you think we're all going to roll over and vote for her gladly?  Don't kid yourself ... I'm 42 years old and have never cast a Republican ballot in my life and I hate McCain's foreign policy and he has no economic philosophy that I can discern, but I would still vote for him over Hillary.  I hate her guts that much.  She had to run a "destroy Obama permanently" campaign ... she deserves to lose our support.


by Dan Conley on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:00:34 PM EST
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Re: does (none / 0)

That cuts both ways. Go to Daily Kos and support any other candidate than Obama and see what happens. Question his experience and you're branded a "racist."


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by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:27:53 PM EST
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Re: Should We Root Against McCain Or For Him? (none / 0)

I don't know.  But, I too have heard Democrats tell me that if its McCain/Clinton that they'll be voting for McCain.  

Who could we best live with should they actually win the General Election?


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by meowmissy on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:25:53 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (none / 0)

I'm hoping Romney gets the nomination, but McCain would also be a disaster for the GOP. After all we learned in the 2006 mid-terms, does anyone here think that a candidate who wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years can get elected in this country? Or someone who sings "bomb Iran" at his campaign stops? McCain is a nut when it comes to foreign policy and won't match up against Clinton, with her husband's peacetime legacy, or Obama, who was against the Iraq war from the start.


by Kal on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:27:02 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting (none / 0)

Well it would be a big gamble having Romney be the Repub nominee. I think it would be easier to be Romney than McCain, but I would rather have McCain be president than Romney. So, if Romney wins the Repub nominationa and wins the general election, then we are really screwed. If McCain wins the nominationa and the general, then at least its McCain, whom I believe is the easiest to swallow out of all the other Republicans running.


by mecarr on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:30:47 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting (none / 0)

What exactly would McCain do better than Romney?


by Pravin on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:32:58 PM EST
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Re: Should We Be Rooting (none / 0)

Really. At least Romney has no spine and can be counted on to do what is popular if it means saving his own skin. Lord knows that if Romney were President instead of Bush right now we'd be seeing the troops coming home instead of sending more over there.

Romney would never stick to his convictions come hell or high water because he has no convictions. I'd rather have a President like that than another Bush/McCain.


by Kal on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:49:03 PM EST
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Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (none / 0)

I believe that the Democratic nominee will win in November no matter who it is or who the Republican nominee is.  The big difference is whether our candidate will have the ability to campaign in every state in order to increase our Democratic Congressional majority or if instead our nominee will have to restrict campaigning to those few potential swing states necessary to insure victory.  Against Romney we will see better coattails for our nominee than against McCain.


by msstaley on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:35:21 PM EST

Re: Rooting Against McCain (none / 0)

I definetly want Romney to win. Now we can beat McCain and I think Democrats do that by connecting him to Bush in every single way they can. But it's going to be tough. With Hillary women are going to have to come in high numbers  with atleast 56-57% supporting her. For Obama he'll really have to get new younger voters out in droves. We have Democratic enthusiasm on our side. We have the issues on our side.


by Christopher Lib on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 02:54:31 PM EST

Re: Anger at Clinton (none / 0)

"Just yesterday I heard of yet another Democrat who has said he would consider voting for McCain, something I've heard over and over from moderate Democrats and independents. Now, I believe we could eat away at this low-information support for McCain fairly easily considering his consistent anti-choice position and the fact that his foreign policy would clearly be a continuation of Bush's, but the fact that he has this goodwill among otherwise Democratic voters I see as a problematic place from which to start."

You are underestimating the intensity of the disgust of many Democrats with the way that the Clinton's have gone about smearing, distorting, and disrespecting Obama.  It is not just "low information" voters who will abandon the Dems if Clinton is the nominee; many committed progressives will be looking to protest the Rovian smears of the Clintons.

To be honest, I do not know what I will do if HRC wins the nomination.  I have voted for every Democrat since I turned 18, in 1976.  I was furious with the ideologues that voted for Nader in 2000.  However, I believe that we need something besides politics as usual, something besides the politics of fear and smear.

Yes, I fully understand the very real policy differences between HRC and any Repub, but I think we need to seriously consider "protesting" Democrats who behave like Republicans. At the moment I am not sure what form that protest should take, but I can tell you that I am very, very angry with both of the Clintons, and very sad that so many of my fellow Dems not only tolerate such behaviour but seem to join in with relish.

I will be watching closely for the rest of the primary season, if Bloomberg gets in I will seriously consider voting for him even though my politics are much further to the left.


by upper left on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:19:59 PM EST

Re: Anger at Clinton (2.00 / 1)

It's fortunate, I suppose, that we have the luxury of protesting Democrats based on their campaign tactics.

Lots of people without jobs, without homes, without healthcare, have more pressing needs to worry about.

But if our message is received, if the next Democratic nominee understands that they have to campaign in a more ethical matter, those people might get their help in 4 or 8 or 12 years.

It's truly a blessing to be able to put those concerns aside and focus on things like dirty politics instead.  I know I'm thankful.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:36:57 PM EST
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Re: Anger at Clinton (none / 0)

You seem to have developing a real taste for needling me.  Fair enough.

Political style matters.  It matters in terms of electability in the fall.  It matters in terms of coattails in the fall.  It matters in terms of breaking the cycle of mud slinging. It matters in terms of restoring people's faith in the very idea and possibility of self-governance and collective action.

Most of all, I believe that the outcomes of our political system are profoundly affected by the political process.  

I fault the Clinton's for not pushing ethics reforms and campaign finance reforms when they had the chance in 1993.  Instead we got the Lincoln Bedroom.  

Now, I fault HRC for not taking the opportunity to run a cleaner more positive campaign.  Unfortunately, she concluded she had to get "dirty" to win, and winning is what the Clintons appear to value above all else.  It is an indication of their top down approach.  It is a selfish view that puts personal power above the good of the party and the country.

I will not forgive them any time soon.


by upper left on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:55:04 PM EST
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Re: Anger at Clinton (none / 0)

I agree.  I always vote on what I think is the most impotant thing for the country.  If I support a candidate (which is usually a Dem), I will vote for him or her.  If I really despise a candidate (which is usually a Rep), I will vote for the other major party as a vote against that person.  If I neither support nor despise either candidate, then I will vote for a 3rd party that best represents my actual views.  In 2004, I voted for Kerry because of my utter disdain for Bush.  In 2000, I voted for Al Gore because I liked and supported him.  I do NOT support Hillary and will not actively vote FOR her.  Whether I pull the lever for her or not depends on who the GOP nominee is.  If it's someone anti-science like Huckabee who doesn't believe in evolution and wants to replace the Constitution with the Ten Commandments and some sort of Christian Sharia law, that is DANGEROUS for the country and I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary anyway.

In the case of McCain, I won't actively vote FOR him, either, but I don't feel the need to vote for him to vote against Hillary, either.  In McCain, I at least see someone who IS qualified to be Commander In Chief. As opposed to the experience you get while AWOL from the Air National Guard, McCain at least understands what the ugly, human side of war is, and some of his views reflect that, like actually ending the institutionalized torture policies that the Bush cabal has instituted and not using National Guard troops in foreign wars.  He's still too bellicose to actually win my vote, but if it's McCain vs. Hillary, I'm probably looking at 3rd party.


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by NJIndependent on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:02:44 PM EST
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Re: Anger at Clinton (none / 0)

There was a time when I agreed with you, that McCain is qualified to be Commander in Cheif, that he was a good, sensible, moral person.  But the last 7 years have erased that utterly.  For starters, he abandoned his respectable "maverick" status to suck up to Bush - a man who used racial slurs against McCain's family.  He let Bush rewrite his anti-tortue bill so that it was a pro-torture bill.  And McCain may understand that ugly, human side of war, but that doesn't stop him from wanting us to face that ugliness for the next hundred years.

McCain is no less dangerous to this country than a flat-earther like Huckabee; he's just dangerous in a different way.


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by schroeder on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:25:43 PM EST
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Re: Against McCain Or For Him? (none / 0)

Root for Rudy, for now. And Hucklebee.

It's not who their candidate is. They all have various strengths and glaring weaknesses. The main goal is to have as many Republicans as possible continue to spend their money bashing each other instead of bashing our candidate. We want their nomination to be a free for all with an uncertain outcome for as long as possible, and definitely beyond the time we've settled on our nominee.

To do that, it's best to give Rudy a glimmer of hope in Florida so that he'll stay in through Feb. 5.

Seems to me, Paul is like Kucnich, in that he's in it for the vanity until the end, regardless of his chances. Mittens, Huckles and McDoubletalk still each have a shot at the nomination. I figure all three of them would lose handily to either Clinton or Obama, and their odds of losing get better the more they're locked in a contest with each other.

Only Rudy is in serious danger of dropping out early. Therefore, I want Rudy to pick up more delegates. COMEBACK OF THE CENTURY!


by admiralnaismith on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:23:22 PM EST

Re: Against McCain Or For Him? (none / 0)

Good post. My own thoughts exactly.

In the general election I think the Democrat candidate, whoever it might be, would do best against Huckabee, Giuliani, Romney, and McCain, in that order, and so I would prefer a Huck or Giuliani nomination. So right now, using the Admiral's logic, we should be rooting for Rudy. Keep them all competing.

The longer it takes the Repubs to focus their vision and their message the better.


by psychic on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 06:09:48 PM EST
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Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (none / 0)

Personally, I say fear the McCain.  Who knows how he'd hold up in a long Presidential campaign, but why take the chance?  He's clearly the hardest one to beat at the moment.

Beyond that, I have one nitpicky, but I think very important disagreement with the diarist.  Todd writes: "He's actually quite sane on several issues that Democrats have a unique opportunity to claim as their own, among them fighting global warming, instituting comprehensive and compassionate immigration reform, opposing torture and closing Guantanamo Bay."

I hear what you are saying, but I'd say that's an argument FOR McCain.  The issues you raise should specifically NOT be partisan issues.  Do we really want elections to decide whether or not the U.S. tortures people?  Or do we want our fight against global warming derailed by a Presidential election in 2012 or 2016?

Personally, I'd rather see problems solved than issues claimed.


by the mollusk on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 03:45:04 PM EST

Romney is the easier target... (2.00 / 1)

One thing that's interesting about McCain is that there are still a lot of conservatives that don't trust him one little bit - I've even had a few of them (co-workers usually) tell me that he's "pretending" to be conservative, but is actually a raging liberal (McCain-Feingold apparently really cut deep among these folks, or they just plain can't stand opposition to Bush under any circumstances).

So, I'd play that fear, that angle, against McCain as much as possible.

My two bits....


by palamedes on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:14:47 PM EST

We Should Be Rooting Against McCain (none / 0)

McCain is the best hope for the Republicans when it comes to the White House. In fact, he might be the only hope.


by C S Strowbridge on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 04:35:20 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting (none / 0)

I'm rooting for Romney. He's undoubtedly the weakest Republican.


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by bowiegeek on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 06:27:19 PM EST

the more I talk to conservatives (none / 0)

The more I believe that McCain will not be the nominee. It's simply amazing the level of distrust and outright hatred that many conservatives have towards McCain - I never realized it was that high. Even when he has won, it appears as though he is losing the conservative vote to Huckabee/Romney. I think Romney realizes this and will continue to pump money into these states, especially where the primaries are closed.

It's looking like Romney will be the nominee. Right now McCain is being held up by the media and his win in SC. Neither will last forever.


by highgrade on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 06:48:51 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (none / 0)

I think McCain would be easier to beat than Romney.  McCain is old and a Washington insider, at a time when people are looking for someone with energy and new ideas.

Don't underestimate Mitt though -- he has a very compelling record of personal achievement, he looks good on TV, and most people don't mind flip-flops, as we've seen from previous elections.


by Lex on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:49:06 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (none / 0)

Yeah, the flip-flopper tag didn't hurt Kerry at all.  Oh, wait, that's right.


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by schroeder on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:27:41 PM EST
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HRC (none / 0)

I freely admit that I've gone back and forth between absolutelu refusing to ever vote for HRC, but at the same time admitting that her election would 1) do wonders for women worldwide and 2) ensure that we don't have a president beholden to the religious wingnuts in the GOP. My problem is that 1) I think that the clinton cult of personality is in the long run damaging to the Dem Party, 2) that this campaign is positively unforgivable in the way they have used Rovian fear mongering and playing blacks and hispanics off each other and 3) I don't like the clinton's personally. Right now, if HRC is the eventual nominee, I would support McCain if the Dems would maintain/extend their lead in the house/senate. I know that there are many that will absolutely refuse to vote for Obama, but I think it's pretty obvious that the number that would never vote for HRC is much larger. Clintn is probably the only pponent that may push conservatives to rally around mccain - esp during an election year that only months ago seemed so out of reach.


by highgrade on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:44:00 PM EST

Re: Should We Be Rooting Against McCain Or For Him (none / 0)

Am I the only Democrat that thinks McCain might have better policies than Hilary?

If it's not Obama, I think McCain's the next choice.  

He's got experience, compassion, and tons of character.  He doesn't seem to care if he pisses off the Republican base, and with rare election year exceptions, he doesn't seem to care if he pisses anyone off really.  

What other Republican has worked with Russ Feingold and Ted Kennedy, all while being the only major Republican critic of Rumsfeld and his idiotic policies?

I'd actually vote for him over Hilary or Edwards in a heartbeat.  It's not a difficult decision.


by deacons317 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 07:17:25 PM EST


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