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Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary results?

by galgameth, Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:04:27 PM EST

Now, I'm a simple man, with a simple question.
Why is Jerome counting Michigan's delegates in the Democrat's flash counter to the left, when Michigan has no delegates, and won't get their delegates back?

This has the effect of making it seem like Clinton is winning by a huge margin, when in fact she is losing by two delegates.

Now, I could imagine possibly noting her victory, had she not been the only real contender on the ballot, and therefore, the automatic victor.

In fact, her victory in Michigan is entirely meaningless, so why is Jerome even noting it? and doing so in a way that artificially pumps up Clinton, despite the actual case of events.
Smells of bias to me.

It's even more bizarre, since he could just pump her up by adding the super-delegates.

Tags: mydd, results, primary, delegates, jerome, clinton, obama (all tags)

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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary result (none / 0)

Those delegates will be seated and counted.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:09:44 PM EST

Those delagates are gone (none / 0)

Get rid of them.

by Toddwell on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:10:35 PM EST
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If its Obama you might has well (none / 0)

He can't win FL in a million years in a general.

... 2 Million

6 words:

Social security taxes, Castro, Farrahkan, Wright

by dpANDREWS on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:14:21 PM EST
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You think Hillary will win it? (none / 0)

No way. If you think she will play will in the I-4 corridor, you are nuts. This is the fastest growing part of the state and it is where Bush beat Kerry in 2004.

by Toddwell on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:29:30 PM EST
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She doesn't have Obama's drawbacks (none / 0)

'08 will be a different year but Obama has some fatal drawbacks among key groups in Florida. He also performs poorly among latinos which I did not metion.

But his problem with some Jewish voters, and with Cuban votters, and older voters is a recipe for a total Obama disaster.

by dpANDREWS on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:34:39 PM EST
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Re: You think Hillary will win it? (none / 0)

She will definitely beat Obama in the I-4 corridor. I live in Tampa. I barely see Obama bumper stickers, he has no mindshare at all. Democrats I generally talk to are between Clinton and Edwards, and with Edwards in a bit of a pickle I think Hillary picks up more. I don't know about the panhandle, but here (and certainly in the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale areas with the huge Hispanic contingent) Obama has no chance.

Florida will go double-digit for Hillary, IMHO.

by georgep on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:08:31 PM EST
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Re: You think Hillary will win it? (none / 0)

I thought you meant in the general.

by Toddwell on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:30:54 PM EST
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he can't win the GE either (none / 0)

Clinton can.

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 09:25:00 PM EST
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Re: Those delagates are gone (none / 0)

Good to see good ole Democrats doesn't care about the PEOPLE.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:16:02 PM EST
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A lot of site are (none / 0)

Many assume (correctly) that unless there is a highly contentious brokered convention - and even if there is - these delegates will get seated and counted.

You can't throw Michigan and Florida under the bus ahead of a general.

The DNC should have done what the Republicans did. It would have been a decent compromise.

by dpANDREWS on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:12:36 PM EST

Re: Why is MYDD? (none / 0)

Yeah whats up with that????

Obama has in fact widened his lead as of yesterday- DOUBLED IT folks!

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:16:07 PM EST

disenfranchisement (none / 0)

Remember the uproar that Obama generated yesterday over the possible disenfranchisement of shift workers in at large caucus sites? That was concern for the voting rights of a few thousand people, imagine the uproar if the votes of six hundred thousand Democrats in Michigan were not counted at a Democratic nominating convention.

by souvarine on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:35:59 PM EST

Re: disenfranchisement (none / 0)

Yes that would be terrible. I think states should be able to have their primaries whenever they want. The Democratic party should have no control over the process to elect a democratic party representative for the general election. Also, ideally states would get to vote a couple of times. That would give people more of a say.

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:38:59 PM EST
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Re: disenfranchisement (none / 0)

Well then what about open primaries? Why are independents allow to vote in a rebug or dem primary! Arn't they independents because they dont like the two parties?

Your argument is bogous! Just like you!

by boxer4hrc on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:53:05 PM EST
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Re: disenfranchisement (none / 0)

Its spelled "bogus".

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:55:26 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary result (none / 0)

Well its great to know that the canidate for change is telling ME that I don't matter to him. Which is all to common in the Washington area, that Mr. Obama says he isnt part of!

Tell me something, why should i vote for Obama when he told me I DONT COUNT? Well maybe my happy ass will sit home when he comes to Florida and trys to tell me that now it matters. Now my vote matters to him, but when he didnt need me he didnt want me!

You see how that works? As a matter of fact if Obama is the nominee come Nov I will make it my main goal to ask him:

WHY DIDNT I MATTER TO HIM WHEN HE DIDNT NEED MY VOTE? WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR HIM NOW?

I will have that opportunity indeed because I am from Florida and from the all important I-4 corridor, and I can garrentee that both nominees will come!

So all you Obama people and supporters be prepared to work yourself out of the hole you have put yourselves in, that is IF you win!

by boxer4hrc on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:38:14 PM EST

Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary result (none / 0)

Uhhhhhhh... I'm sure Hillary or Obama can tell you when they drop by your all important corridor but maybe because the reason is Florida disregarded the democratic party and moved the date of their primary? DId you hear about that or where you out of the country? What part of that don't you understand? Should there be no rules??? States should have primaries whenever they feel like it??? The party has no say in the process to select the party's candidate?

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:41:45 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary result (none / 0)

No its voting members should have the say! LIKE ME!!!!!!

by boxer4hrc on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:48:39 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary result (1.50 / 2)

Right because I have EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THAT!!!!! Thats just like a Washington politician, attack the voters and punish them for what the dumb ass leaders of the party did! Now CRACKITYJONEs, your telling me that it is MY FAULT? WOW really you deserve to be voing in this process!

I wasnt happy when Hill didnt it but she has not gone as far as Obama and Edwards has!

Your Pathetic! Just as bad as Obama and all the rest washington wackos!

by boxer4hrc on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:46:49 PM EST

Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting (none / 0)

Do not insult me Boxer ok? Thats not the way it works here. We don't call each other names ok?

You asked why and I told you. YOu dont seem to understand that the party - which includes you- makes the rules and then those that don't follow them are operating outside the rules and therefore the party takes actions. Now you'd have to take up with Howard Dean and ask him about it because I dont know anything about it. I was just pointing out that FLorida state democratic party disenfranchised itself by moving its date without the national party's authorization. Or should every state move its primary to whatever date they feel like it??? If that happeened the first primary would probably have been in 2005!!!!!!!!!!

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 07:53:15 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting (none / 0)

That doesnt matter what matter is is that Obama and Edwards felt it was important to take their names off the ballot in MI but not in FL. Also I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT!

Obama should not be going out of his way to disenfranchise me! You dont understand! Your not the one being told YOUR VOTE DOESNT COUNT!

by boxer4hrc on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:01:28 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting (none / 0)

Dont be ridiculous. I live in DC. I don't even have a representative in Congress. I don't have a vote!!!!!!! TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!

So don't tell me that I don't understand.

I suggest you call the Florida state democratic party and ask them why they moved the date when the national party told them they'd be stripped.

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:21:07 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting (none / 0)

Well maybe you should start saying something about that issue with dc....I DONT AGREE WITH THAT POSITION EITHER! But it is the gop who is stopping that from happening!

it wasnt the florida dems who moved it up it was the gop of florida! the dems had to go alone by state law! so please now your facts and before you even say it i have already called and complained MANY TIMES to the dnc about this!

I would think that someone who is being disenfranchised too, by living in DC you would understand! but maybe i was wrong!

So i stand by my statement prevously that i will make it agoal to ask Mr. Obama why he did this. I will also, if the delegates are not seated, I will go straight to the dnc and fight this!

IT IS COMPLETELY UNFAIR THAT I AM BEING DISENFRANCHISED BECAUSE OF WHAT THE REPUBLICANS DID IN MY STATE!

by boxer4hrc on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:30:22 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting (none / 0)

What do I have to do with the republicans???

Go blame them then!

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 10:27:52 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting (none / 0)

"I suggest you call the Florida state democratic party and ask them why they moved the date when the national party told them they'd be stripped."

Are you telling the same thing to IA and NH voters? They also moved from their sanctioned DNC date to an unsanctioned one.

by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 03:02:06 AM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary result (2.00 / 0)

note that the counter lists Hillary Clinton with AND without Michigan. I'd rather the counter erred on the side of more information rather than less, especially if the MI delegates will indeed be counted in the end.

by Todd Beeton on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:07:41 PM EST

Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary result (none / 0)

Excellent point, Todd. BOTH results are showing, so what's the beef? Also, in the end the delegates WILL count (as will the FL delegates,) regardless whether Hillary or Obama wins (unless there is a highly unlikely brokered convention,) so technically counting them already makes sense.

by georgep on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:10:49 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary result (none / 0)

hey george we really need to meet im in tampa too! how can we meet up without giving any info over the internet?

by boxer4hrc on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:12:12 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Hey. Do you have a favorite hangout? If you are a girl, I may get in trouble with my wife. :-)

I like the idea of getting together and canvassing for Hillary here in FL, to participate in a full-throttle GOTV effort here and get her over 50% in Florida as well. I assume, since the candidates aren't allowed to campaign here, the effort would be organized from one of the unions or groups (AFSMCE, Emily's List, etc.)

Maybe one of us can set up a free yahoo or gmail account and list it here just to exchange phone numbers for the initial contact?

by georgep on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:18:11 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Well unfortunately im a dude! lol but yeah im in westchase and i hangout at the world of beers but also in sputh tampa at macdintons and the dub! where are you at?

by boxer4hrc on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:24:47 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Hey, it's better that you are a dude. Gotta explain this to my wife, and it would be harder the other way around. :-)

I live in the Bruce B. Downs area, NorthEast Tampa. MacDinton's used to be one of my favorite hangouts back in the day (before they converted it to that crab restaurant, now once again MacDintons.) How about we talk via email? I just set up a gmail account, so send me an email here:

myddgeorge@gmail.com

by georgep on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 11:26:08 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

I wish I could help our for Hillary in Florida. I live in the I-4 corridor but since I am currently living in Canada, British Columbia to be exact, I am voting absentee. If I had not gone home for my mom's funeral last year I would be there now, canvassing my brains out. AS it stands, I plan to be home in Tampa for the GE so I can volunteer and vote for my girl in my state.

by americanincanada on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 10:15:14 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

Ok, isn't this the fourth diary about this very same subject? Why the need to discuss this multiple times?

by georgep on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:11:54 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

I agree but somebody wakes up every day, comes on here, and notices the counter makes no sense and writes a diary.

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 08:22:00 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

More likely the need to write a diary about the same thing, knowing full well (or should know if blessed with any common sense) that it already has been discussed.

by georgep on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:34:28 AM EST
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How many sock puppets (none / 0)

did you make to keep making this same complaint over and over?
A delegate counter on mydd is not going to influence the vote anywhere. What exactly is your beef?

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 09:32:28 PM EST

Re: How many sock puppets (none / 0)

The counter is wrong! Obama has 38 to Hillary 36. In fact he has doubled his lead after winning the delegates race in Nevada.

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 10:13:30 PM EST
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Re: Why is MYDD misrepresenting the primary result (none / 0)

I dont understand why people bitch and moan so much -- Her count with Michigan is up there, and Without.

Also -- Where do you get off saying she is down by 2? Nevada has not elected any national delegates yet, and you dont know how they will come down.

Stop whining and stop being a "talking point" bot.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 09:41:24 PM EST

Stop whining! (none / 0)

Obama 38 Hillary 36.

Thats how it stands right now. Any delegate can change later but thats how it is right now.

Obama , in fact, has doubled his lead over Hillary.

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Jan 20, 2008 at 10:14:43 PM EST
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Re: Stop whining! (none / 0)

CNN has Nevada going 14 and 14, which would make the spread off by 1 --> the difference between their delegates in Iowa.

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 12:07:07 AM EST
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Re: Stop whining! (none / 0)

Seriously, crackity, do you just toe the Obama party line here? Did you not see the many explanations outside of Obamaland that nobody knows how many delegates are going to be handed out, that there is no actual number available right now?

by georgep on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:36:56 AM EST
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