Obama Advertising on Drudge

Really?

Given Senator Barack Obama's recent comments about Gore and Kerry, trial lawyers and others, he has aroused the wrath of the liberal blogosphere.

Daily Kos, Atrios, and others. The "netroots," as they call themselves.

So it was unusual to see that Obama was advertising on the Drudge Report, as you can see HERE.

I read Drudge's website frequently and have come to admire his entrepreneurship. But his politics do seem to lean to the right, and liberal Democrats -- even though they may read Drudge regularly -- may see Obama's advertising there as somehow philosophically disloyal.

Ambinder has more.

But here's the question: does Obama care even a sliver that some bloggers and netroots' activists are angry at him? I don't think he does. I don't think his campaign does. I don't even think, -- and I have nothing to base this on -- Obama's own netroots' team does.

I've got to admit that it's becoming increasingly difficult to come to the conclusion that Barack Obama understands the stakes of this fight and/or that he really stands on our side when he bashes Democrats, tries to gin up fears of a crisis in Social Security, and now kowtows to some of the basest elements of the Republican machine. There's no doubt in my mind that I'd support basically any Democratic presidential nominee and that, what's more, of the leading candidates I tend to have less problems with Obama than others. Yet at the same time, for a guy who's running for the Democratic nomination on the basis of supposed better judgment and intuitions and tendencies -- in short, getting it right when it counts -- Obama is sure raising a lot of questions, at least in my mind, about whether his head really is in the right place, whether he really is with us and will be when it really counts in the future.

Update [2008-1-2 15:12:47 by Jonathan Singer]: Ezra, writing yesterday, put it real well in dealing with Obama's close, which has been hitting on the supposed divisiveness of Gore and Kerry, the bad trial lawyers, etc. -- some of which, Ezra writes, "are simply conservative arguments being uttered by a progressive," others simply not true.

But Obama's comfort attacking liberals from the right is unsettling, and if he does win Iowa, it will not be a victory that either supporters or the media ascribe to the more progressive elements of his candidacy. Instead, they will search for the distinctions he's drawn, and, sadly, a number of those distinctions point away from the heart-quickening progressivism of much of this race, and back towards the old politics of centrist caution and status quo bias.

Update [2008-1-2 16:3:12 by Jonathan Singer]: The campaign has released the following public statement:

"Someone is circulating a screengrab of an Obama ad on drudge. Even if it's true, it wasn't intentional, the site isn't on the approved list of sites we advertise on."

One last update... I've heard now from multiple sources that the Obama ad had been seen on Drudge at least as early as one or two weeks ago. Also, a marketing consultant with 10 year's of online experience emails:

"It is highly unlikely that someone would accidentally buy a site so expensive as Drudge or that Drudge, given what his rates are for advertising for 12 million visitors a day would accidentally run a free ad for a Democratic candidate for President. So one of two things happen, if you believe that Drudge and Clinton have a deal, you might also believe that Drudge ran an Obama ad intentionally for Clinton to spark a last minute backlash, or the Obama campaign did indeed buy geo-targeted Drudge in Iowa and got caught. But in this day and age of high tech ad servers, ads just don't show up randomly places."

I guess I'll leave it to you to determine where you come down on this story. But for me, I can't say that the initial response out of the campaign doesn't leave at least some questions remaining in my mind.



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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

Someone send Axelrod a dime so he can buy a clue.


by Bush Bites on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:13:50 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (2.00 / 1)

More Obama is bad... Where was the uproar when Drudge was getting leads from the Clinton Campaign?
Drudge said "I need Hillary Clinton. You don't get it. I need to be part of her world. That's my bank."
"Clinton finds way to Play Along with Drudge" NY Times 10/22/07
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/pol itics/22drudge.html?_r=1&hp&oref =slogin

John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:15:34 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (2.00 / 1)

How DARE Obama not bow down to the bloggers! Who does he think he is?


by highgrade on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:17:00 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

Right, more of the centrist status quo, like not relying on 527s to do your campaigning for you.  Like standing for reform and actually doing it.  


by Piuma on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:17:47 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (2.00 / 1)

And now the Obama trolls will descend.


by truthteller2007 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:20:11 PM EST

Let 'em Choke on this: (none / 0)

Senator 'Hope': Voting in support of the Patriot Act. Voting to censure MoveOn.org....just free speech...who cares.... Missing the FISA vote.... Supporting Ned Lamont....not! Voting in support of every funding bill for The MeatGrinder the Murderer-in-Chief asked for..gave him every Billion the little fucktard asked for pal..... Yeah, if ya likes yer Democrat `Lieberman style with a heapin' side of McCain' why Ol' Barrack is yer guy! He's really got a head on his shoulders. Problem is he uses it for one thing: Getting himself elected and Satan HuckaBee! take the hindmost. I really think it's clear that Ol' Barrack ain't the answer. To any question.
by Pericles on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:30:51 PM EST
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Everyone looks a Drudge (none / 0)

Who cares.

At least Obama is open and honest about this.

Team Clinton still denies their much seedier relationship with Drudge.

Once again, Clinton gets a pass, Obama gets whipped.

And yes, Obama does realize that the blogosphere is but a tiny slither that he can ignor...NOT at his, nor anyone else's peril.

Sorry, that's just the hard truth. He doesn't need you people.


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:20:53 PM EST

I agree with you, Obama and Clinton both... (2.00 / 1)

...should be ashamed.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:48:34 PM EST
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Re: Everyone looks a Drudge (none / 0)

The update suggests that you may not have wanted to get too far out in front with this "open and honest" thing.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:11:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

Obama should make sure his message only reaches Democrats. It is an outrage that he is trying to get non-Democrats to vote for him. Elections are won by getting 40% of the vote, not 50%.


by mcdave on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:21:29 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

I figured out Obama a long time ago, so non of this is shocking.

His game from Day 1 has been to do whatever it takes to ingratiate himself to the DC elite. And it has worked. David Broder and David Brooks are singing his praises. Obama figured out that is where the power is. They are the kingmakers, not the liberal bloggers. So yes he couldn't care less.

Why do you think the MSM likes him so much? 1) They hate the Clintons and would like to see Hillary defeated 2) Obama is promising to be their kind of Democrat. They are hoping he will be another lieberman and he is giving them what they want


by DonB11 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:21:51 PM EST

ding-ding-clang-clang! (2.00 / 1)

ladies and gents -

we have a winner!


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:38:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

The netroots has become obsessed with itself.

I thought the netroots was mobilzed towards a certain end. I was wrong.

The netroots is now simply interested in preserving it's own power.


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:23:19 PM EST

Make up your mind (none / 0)

"And yes, Obama does realize that the blogosphere is but a tiny slither that he can ignor...NOT at his, nor anyone else's peril.

Sorry, that's just the hard truth. He doesn't need you people."
 vs

"I thought the netroots was mobilzed towards a certain end. I was wrong.

The netroots is now simply interested in preserving it's own power."

Either we are a tiny ignorable sliver.

Or we are a mobilized power broker.

Well you can't really maintain both logical positions. It doesn't matter whether Obama thinks this place is important, it speaks volumes that large numbers of his supporters apparently do. In other words why do all you people care what we are saying about the man? Why not ignore us like you claim Obama does.

And BTW the Obama campaign was reasonably quick to respond here. Some version of this discussion is going on at most of what I have labelled the 'Heavy Hitters' as well as all over the 'Econoblogs'. I don't know comparative traffic levels, but people link to Ezra, Yglesias and Digby from all over. Can you name a prominent progressive blogger who is backing Obama on these points?


by Bruce Webb on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:34:20 PM EST
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Re: Make up your mind (none / 0)

Sorry.... No can do because no of are stupid right wing enough to do so!
by Pericles on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:32:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

obama is a total fraud

i just hope dems find out before it is too late


by DonB11 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:23:22 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (2.00 / 1)

You people are the reason the Democratic party can't rule.  You are so politically correct you couldn't even vote for yourself.  Get a life.
Obama is the candidate with real character - like Kucinich.  I am a very progressive person but the left wing bloggers have no idea what they are talking about.  Just filled with vitriol.
Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:48:56 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

I guess everyone who worked with Drudge is a fraud? Including Hillary????Its politics pure and simple.  


John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:25:05 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (2.00 / 0)

See, it's ok if HRC does it.

These people don't care what Hillary does. You see, they always knew Hillary was going to be in the game. But not Obama. Obama has usurped the rightful place of John Edwards. So even though Obama is more progressive than HRC, he's the bigger enemy.

There gripe with him is more personal than ideological.


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:27:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (2.00 / 1)

Obama is the least progressive candidate running.  He ranks 44th on the Progressive scale.  He constantly bashes Democrats and particularly progressives.  Obama is a centrist/moderate, and, should he make it through the nomination would, as it seems, move far to the right to go to the center quickly.   There is tons of evidence of Obama's centrist nature, and it comes from multiple ends (statements he made/makes, actions, etc.)


by georgep on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:00:30 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

True progressives will bash the current Democratic leadership.  They are not much different then the Republican.


Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:51:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

Wrong.. obama is rated the #3 most progressive senator and most progressive in this race.

edwards was the  45% rating guy... he voted the bush line soooo many times.


by hawkjt on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:03:41 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

And why should such a small demographic slither--such as those who comprise the netroots--get to dictate anything?

I mean, the netroots is hardly diverse in terms of race, gender, and class.

I mean, if you could get the Klan to take off their damn sheets, could you really tell the difference between a bloggers convention and a Klan rally?


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:25:25 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

And why should such a small demographic slither--such as those who comprise the netroots--get to dictate anything?

Because we are politically active.

www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:01:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

Stop trying to divide our party. Its politics


John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:25:32 PM EST

Obama is a Liebercrat (2.00 / 2)

"don't play chicken with the troops"

can't be bothered to vote on kyl-lieberman

bash unions etc...


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:25:45 PM EST

Re: Obama is a Liebercrat (none / 0)

"bash unions"

NO, bash corrupt union bosses who do backroom deals over the best interest of their members.


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:28:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

last time I checked (2.00 / 1)

the majority of SEIU members supported edwards and only the NY and Chicago delegates stopped him from getting two-thirds for endorsement.

the AFSCME thing is a different matter


Call it "Medicare Option" not public option
by TarHeel on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:45:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Listen up pal... (none / 0)

....I've met and spent hours talking with Andy Stern. He's a true progressive American doing what needs to be done for the workers in his union. Who work long hours for shitty pay so AssClowns like Bill Frist can have more money than they can ever spend.

Not a slick talking, snake-oil salesman who has never worked a real job in his life. A back-stabbing protege of Joey the Liarman who has only one real goal in life.

Getting elected.

So take you anti-union stupidity back under the rock you slithered out from under....

Mr. Troll.


by Pericles on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:38:53 PM EST
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Obama keeps dividing his own party (none / 0)

So why should we believe he can bring the country together?

That's his big selling point, but we've got no reason to believe he's any good at it.


by RT on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:28:03 PM EST

Re: Obama keeps dividing his own party (none / 0)

But you KNOW Hillary can't do it.

And John Edwards? He has no interest in bringing anyone together.

I say, let's roll the dice.


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:29:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama keeps dividing his own party (2.00 / 1)

He's totally dividing the party! I saw a poll the other day that had him at 28, Edwards at 28, and Hillary at 28. That's a huge division of the party! He's cutting it into thirds! My god man!


by mcdave on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:41:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If Obama wins Iowa (none / 0)

Roger Simon made an interesting point on Hardball a few weeks back.  As Obama looked strong at the point Matthews was laying out his dream scenerio, basically asking Simon (not really asking more like telling) that Obama wins Iowa and rolls through all the rest of the states unstoppable.  

Simon burst Matthews bubble  and drew a dirty look with a suggestion that perhaps if Obama wins Iowa Democrats will step back and think about that and what it means and take a hard look at Obama.

In other words if Obama wins Iowa it is gut check time for Democrats.  Is he the right candidate?  Or might voters in later states feel the need to step in and correct a mistake?

I think many Democrats are starting to become uncomfortable with Obama, especially with issues being raised like these on the front page today.


by dpANDREWS on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:30:13 PM EST

Re: If Obama wins Iowa (none / 0)

More likely people will take another look at Hillary...and say no thanks.


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:39:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama wins Iowa (none / 0)

"I think many Democrats are starting to become uncomfortable with Obama, especially with issues being raised like these on the front page today."

No. Many in the netroots have long since been uncomfortable with Obama. And it's long since had no effect on his campaign.

You people are the biggest navel-gazers.


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:41:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama wins Iowa (2.00 / 2)

"I think many Democrats are starting to become uncomfortable with Obama, especially with issues being raised like these on the front page today."

Actually, I think several dozen bloggers are becoming uncomfortable with Obama. Most dem primary voters don't know squat about all of this sillyness and nitpicking.


by mcdave on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:42:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama's other long term problem (none / 0)

If he wins Iowa it will be on the strength of Republicans and independents.  How will that play?

What happens in later states where the primary is only open to Democrats?


by dpANDREWS on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:44:24 PM EST
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Re: If Obama wins Iowa (none / 0)

This is front page news on Mydd. It wont even register as news in the Des Moines Register or Quad City Times tommorrow. Not too many people know who Drudge is, let alone care if Obama is advertising there. So I really dont think that, "many Democrats are starting to become uncomfortable with Obama, especially with issues being raised like these on the front page today." In no way shape or form is the netroots representative of the Democratic party.


by AC4508 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:07:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama wins Iowa (2.00 / 1)

According to Rasmussen as of today, Obama's favorables amongst Democrats are 61%, Edwards' are 66%, Clinton's are 80%.   Forget Clinton's high favorables amongst Democrats, for Obama having only 61% of the Democratic base viewing you favorably is entirely too low at this late point in the campaign cycle.  It shows that the poster you responded to bases his statement on facts/data that has apparently had an impact with the larger Democratic electorate, not just a small slice of the progressive blogosphere.  


by georgep on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:15:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama wins Iowa (2.00 / 1)

But the vast majority of these Democrats are not part of the "netroots".  And outside of the netroots, things like name recognition count for a lot more.  I would guess that most of the people I know that I consider to be liberal or even very liberal are not necessarily tuned in just yet.  Plus the narrative on Clinton has been that she is running away with the nomination for months now.  Again, outside of the political junkies like us.  So the party is currently rallied around her.  I think that contributes a lot to this kind of polling.  If it really is all about speaking to progressives, why isn't Kucinich leading the pack currently?


by the mollusk on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:25:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Obama wins Iowa (none / 0)

Come on.  We are not talking about the direct polling comparisons like the Pew National poll, which show Clinton up 20% on Obama.  This is about a favorable impression about the guy.  It is entirely conceivable that 2 or 3 Democratic politicians get favorability ratings in the mid- to high 70s.  People voice their opinion about favorable and unfavorable impressions.   At what point should the point about name recognition (which IMO is a joke this late in the race for the nomination) give way to the realization that for a variety of reasons many Democrats simply don't really care that much for Obama.  I fully appreciate that Clinton has work to do with Independents, but Obama supporters seem somehow blind to his quite obvious problems with the Democratic base, despite a lot of evidence showing us just that.  It is all about Clinton's name recognition that Obama is doing relatively poorly with us?  I beg to differ.  I look at the candidate and reject him as our nominee for a plethora of reasons, none of which have to do with missing name recognition.  Most Democrats have gone through a similar process and have come to a similar conclusion, from the looks of it.


by georgep on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 08:56:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Right nobody knows Drudge (none / 0)

Except maybe the 13 million visits he had in the last 24 hours and the 5 billion in the last year says something different.

I don't read Drudge, but Fox News does. I think Drudge is and always has been a shill for the right, therefore I don't read him, but there is not doubt he has a huge and influential readership.

Dude you're whistling by the graveyard here. Kos has a regular column in Newsweek, Ezra is all over TV, the MSM papers cite these guys all the time. The notion that all of this is going to just blow by like a fart in a hurricane is just delusional. The combined readership for these top sites is large and overlapping, if everybody is making the same points on all the front pages no amount of pushback on a comment thread is going to help.

Its kind of a 'As goes Digby and Krugman, so goes the progressive nation', I don't know how many papers syndicate Krugman, my metro one does and I suspect that is pretty typical. The Seattle P-I is a Hearst paper so you are talking pretty good market penetration right there.


by Bruce Webb on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:51:31 PM EST
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Re: If Obama wins Iowa (none / 0)

Delusional.

Many, many people are online now. Go check Technorati and look at the numbers.

Then join the 21st Century.


by Pericles on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:41:21 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

DP that's not what I get. You may not want to acknowledge this . I live here in Memphis and I know GOPers and Indy's who would love to vote for him. They may not ideologically agree with him but they see him as a good guy. You know why the conservative punditry likes him because many of their Harvard Law friends confirmed to them what I all ready know. He is the real deal. My friends (YD's) who work on Capitol Hill say the same things. I met him when he came to Memphis and campaigned for Harold Ford he is a nice down to earth guy.


John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:40:55 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

They probably see Obama as the most Republican-friendly, which means the least-likely to impose "big government" on the populace.  His health-care system does not insure all, in fact Obama used right-wing talking points to bash Clinton's and Edwards' all-encompassing systems.  Obama stated that he would let Bush's tax cuts merely sunset, which means they will be in effect until 2011, whereas Clinton and Edwards are on record that they would rescind and roll back Bush's tax cuts immediately.  On and on the list goes.  


by georgep on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:09:19 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

The "real deal" would stay in an elected office longer than the time it takes to grab a cup of coffee and ramp up a campaign for the next higher office.

He's the "real deal" just like a slick TV preacher is the "real deal".


by hwc on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:12:40 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

Some of you folks are just out of touch with the rest of America. Most of the people I know are tired of the childish fighting. They want solutions. Keep on fighting your old battles. You will be left behind.


John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:59:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How is Senator Ford, Jr. working out? (none / 0)

Oh. He lost. That whole triangulating shoot for the center thing didn't quite work out for him.

Nice guy, who couldn't bring home the vote in a border state.

Obama's strategy is perfectly clear: use moderates to pick up Iowa and New Hampshire and take the label 'winner' into the Feb 5th big state primaries. But unless he takes out Clinton that weekend, something I don't think is likely, he has a long slog. There are something like 200 super-delegates, and while not all of them may read the blogs everyday, you can bet they have some staffer that does. Obama wanders too far and there are some really liberal California congresswomen who are going to look right beyond that face and line up with Hillary. Not everyone is a high information voter, not everyone is an early adopter, but those who are tend to be asked their opinions. My friends don't follow politics with nearly the obsession I do. But they know that I do in fact follow it closely.


by Bruce Webb on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:04:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How is Senator Ford, Jr. working out? (none / 0)

Again Ford lost not because he was conservative. Most AA's are VERY conservative here. He lost because Memphis did not come out to vote.


John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 11:12:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama Advertising on Drudge in Iowa (none / 0)

All those who can see the ad on Drudge Report are in Iowa. There is a lot of traffic on the site. I would assume that the ad is targeted to Iowa IP addresses that are visiting Drudge. I don't see the problem with this. This is no worse than Hillary leaking her first quarter fundraising to Drudge.


by Obama08 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:41:24 PM EST

Obama = Lieberman + W (2.00 / 1)

Obama has always reminded me of both Lieberman and W.

It's a shock to realize that Independents and Republicans will be picking our Democratic nominee just as they picked our Democratic Senator from Connecticut.


by BigBoyBlue on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:41:39 PM EST

Re: Obama = Lieberman + W (none / 0)

That's crazy. You are letting your bias cloud your sensibilities.


John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:52:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama = Lieberman + W (none / 0)

Why is having independents and republicans pick the Dem nominee surprise you. The media has been pushing it since Obama hinted at running. It is obvious that someone admitting to being a republican won't win. So we get republican lite.  


by del on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:24:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

I just went to Drudge, something I usually do about once every three months or so and I did not see any Obama ad.  I don't have a Drudge account, do you need to login or something to see it?


by howardpark on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:47:12 PM EST

Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

Click the link in the blocked quote in the diary.


by truthteller2007 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:53:30 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (none / 0)

I think it is targeted geographically to Iowa.


by del on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:25:40 PM EST
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Re: Obama Advertising on Drudge (2.00 / 1)

You have reached a new low.  You are right there with Hillary, dishing dirt about kindergarden essays.  

You are just plain overreaching.  Trying to pretend that Obama is anything other than a progressive whose voting record and life choices demonstrates that commitment is complete bullshit.

It is completely embarassing to watch lefties repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.  No wonder the left has been getting its ass whooped for a generation.

You have the best progressive candidate in a generation right in front of your beady little eyes and you can't even recognize him.  If it were not so dangerous, it would be laughable.

Self defeatism on the left.

I can't wait to laugh at your sorry crap tommorrow night.  Good grief!


by upper left on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:49:57 PM EST

Define progressive (none / 0)

You apparently see yourself as one, but simultaneously are not part of the left or at least are not a 'leftie'

"Trying to pretend that Obama is anything other than a progressive whose voting record and life choices demonstrates that commitment is complete bullshit."

"It is completely embarassing to watch lefties repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot.  No wonder the left has been getting its ass whooped for a generation."

Privatizing Social Security is not a progressive position. Turning your economics team over to a pretty standard 'Markets are all' U of Chi guy (Goolsbee) makes your fundamental commitment to progressivism suspect. Seeing the guy get rather lavishly praised by George Will gets some eyebrows. Adding an ex-Clintonian now a privatizing professor from Harvard (Liebman) is not a good thing, particularly if the first specific out of your mouth on Social Security is the cap raise, a specific part of the LMS (L standing for Leibman) plan that is designed to look progressive but is in context regressive.

The main reason by the left has been getting kicked is because we continually get sold this whole 'victory is found only in the center right'. The party hasn't run a real liberal since Mondale.

Obama's choice of an economic team dominated by the center right is not progressive. I have yet to see anyone specifically defend the Goolsbee, Liebman, Cutler economic team. Well I looked up what they had to say and wasn't comforted. Obama is not going to get the support of older committed liberals by talking privatizing code language about Social Security. He seems to be getting some really bad strategic advice here, which in the end says quite a bit about his skills as a team leader. We are not electing a motivational speaker, we need to have leadership at all levels of the next Administration busying themselves away fixing all the malicious doings of Bushism. Obama's choice of economic and defense advisors is not doing a thing here.

Come on Tony Lake? The security advisor that fiddled while Rwanda burned? Now that's boldness for you.


by Bruce Webb on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:21:16 PM EST
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Re: Missing the forrest for the trees....... (none / 0)

I have spent most of my life as a proud lefty:

-I canvassed for RFK as a kid.
-I was elected "Oregon Youth Governor" as an open progressive.
-I worked with Maryknoll nuns in the ghettos of Lima, Peru and smuggled documents out of the country when the military junta declared martial law in 1978.
-I raised money for the Sandinistas and was in Nicaruagua during the final offensive.
-I majored in sociology, economics and women's studies and studied more Marxist theory than anything else.
-After a brief stint in a lefty party I realized that the far left was totally marginalized.
-I spent the 80s working as a community organizer and the Executive Director of a coalition working on universal health care.
-I spent the first half of the 90s as Committee Administrator of the Senate Human Resources Committee of mu State Senate, and as a Program Administrator for the State Senior and Disabled Services Division.

My views have moderated some with age and experience, but I still consider myself a proud progrssive. However, I am not an ideological purist.  I recognize that I have lost a lot more battles in my time than I have won.  I recognize that the left does not have a monopoly on the truth.  I realize that ideological purity in the absense of real progress is meaningless. I consider myself to be a "pragmatic progressive."

Many of the complaints in your comment are standard fodder from the left, although you appear to have embelished some, as I have never heard anyone suggest that Obama supports privatizing social security.  Ever since David Sirota ran his first critical piece on Obama in the Nation in the summer of 2006, this stuff has been repeated over and over.  

It is, IMHO, a case of missing the forrest for the trees.  Obama has been approached with an extrordinary degree of skepticism.  Every utterance has been parsed, every vote has been scrutinized, every policy initiative has been examined, every advisor has been vetted, all with the intent of finding evidence of "insufficient progressiveness."

Every small scrap of evidence has been magnified.  Every connection to any contributor or advisor who has ever done or said anything that was suspect has been highlighted. But all of this misses the point.

If you want to understand Obama, look at his life experiences, look at his life choices.  Read his books.  Look at his ADA voting record which is more progressive than any of the Dems running for President.  Look at his 96% lifetime voting record from the AFL-CIO.  Look at his career long commitment to ethics reform and campaign finance reform.

What seems to piss off much of the left is the fact that Obama is not an ideologue.  He is open to ideas and values from outside the progressive cannon.  He is willing to talk to people to find innovative ways to build bridges between progressives and moderates.

This does not make him a sell-out or even a DLC-corporatist like Hillary.  What it makes him is a guy with solid progressive values who is willing to take innovative approaches to solve long standing problems.  He is a classic coalition builder.  I recognize the approach from my days as an organizer and lobbyist.

I fundamentally disagree with the notion that the key to progressive change is more polarization and more partisanship.  Look at the history of progressive movements in this country.  When has significant reform been passed?  It passed in the 30s and the 60s when there was a popular movement for change and when there were very large Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress.  

I believe the available evidence suggests that Obama is talking to the middle not because he wants to sell out the left but because he is trying to build a working majority for progressive change.  Continuing nit-pick attacks is conterproductive.  


by upper left on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:07:29 AM EST
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Obama the "best progressive candidate in a generation"?   That is at best uninformed, at worst kool-aided bullcrap. There is plenty of evidence to refute this, but suffice it to say that Obama's progressive record is decidedly sketchy, and his many comments strung together speak a clear tale of being more comfortable with the centrist/moderate position.  


by georgep on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 09:19:50 PM EST
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You, as do many, confuse process and approach for substance.  

The substance of Obama's values, policies, and voting record is clearly progressive.  

His approach is less confrontational, and he is less of an ideologue, but tha does not make him a DLC centrist like Clinton.


by upper left on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:22:51 PM EST
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That makes no sense.  Obama's VOTING RECORD is clearly non-progressive.  Obama ranks 44th out of 49 Senators when it comes to Progressive bona-fides.  That is clearly a non-progressive record.  That happens to match his rhetoric and approach, which you call "less confrontational," but in reality is a reflection of the centrist/moderate we are seeing with Obama.  He is much more of a centrist than either Clinton or Edwards, for sure.


by georgep on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:22 PM EST
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Check out comments from real people (none / 0)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail /2008/01/02/more_tension_with_democratic _g.html#comments

You people are sad.


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:52:39 PM EST

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To those who ask "who cares" tell that to the next Democrat  you want to get elected that Drudge attacks. Then ask that question.


by bruh21 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:54:04 PM EST

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"They may not ideologically agree with him but they see him as a good guy."

You know why they think he is a "goog guy"?

Because nobody has laid a glove on him

Since he has appeared on the national stage the GOP has treated him kindly and the media has cheered him on

Gore was a "nice guy"

Kerry was a "nice guy"

That was before they were slimed by the right wing noise machine and the corporate media


by DonB11 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:00:09 PM EST

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Is there nothing this guy won't do?  I am really shocked. I would have never thought Obama would slime Gore/Kerry, derate unions, and now for the jugular-advertise on Drudge. Obama has been a huge disappointment.


by lonnette33 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:01:06 PM EST

Pie Fight (none / 0)

nothing more, nothing less. jmho.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:01:22 PM EST

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I have searched Drudge and I have not seen any advertising by Obama ON HIS WEB PAGE.


by BDM on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:03:39 PM EST
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View the screenshot to which Jonathan links.


by truthteller2007 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:05:31 PM EST
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hey this is the Internet. nothing is real.

But in any event maybe Obama is a smart guy and is striking while the iron is hot. In other words, he's thinking ahead to the general election. It's not like he or the other candidates can advertise on our sites, nor will he need to after the primaries. The question is, do we want the kind of people that Obama is trying to attract on Drudge..right?


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:27:16 PM EST
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heh...he doesn't want those kind of people. Obama couldn't have asked for better advertising. This was funny.


Dare to be free.
by misscee on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:36:25 PM EST
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talk about making... (2.00 / 0)

a mountain out of mole hill.

seriously, the guy said the democrats need to reach out to other voters better than Gore and Kerry did.  Does anyone seriously think that either of them did a good job of that?


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by d on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:04:21 PM EST

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Obama was always a strong second place choice for me behind Edwards. It was hard not to be inspired by his persona and his progressive roots said a lot to me about where he might lead America. But he manged to piss away any progessive populist credentials he ever had in the last month. Yeah, he spoke out against the Iraq war but he's been MIA around any attempts to end it since then. He has essentially positioned himself to the right of not only Edwards, but even Clinton. He's pissed on labor, universal medical care and trial lawyers. He's fed into stupid right-wing talking points. He could easily be at the same place in Iowa w/o doing any of those things. That he freely choose to do so is a real bad sign.

The way he's been talking is giving me a creeping feeling that an Obama presidency will be a confused, directionless and frustrating mess that will likely last four years and kill all chances to create a permanent Democratic majority. The GOP ain't going to call a cease fire just becuase of his charm. Kind of like the last President who acted like he walked on water and didn't have to listen to the party's base (that very nice man from Georgia). I hope I'm wrong.


by alexmhogan on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:06:34 PM EST

ROTFL! Even if it's true, it wasn't intentional (none / 0)

I can hear Obama now .... "Axeman better pin this one on an unnamed low level staffer.  That'll fix it real good."


by dpANDREWS on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:13:17 PM EST

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First D-Punjab, then McClurkin, now Drudge.

Oh well. You can all forgive him after the swearing-in.


by Louverture on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:17:22 PM EST

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This is getting ridiculous. Next I'm expecting to read that Obama uses IE instead of Firefox, further tarnishing his name in the eyes of bloggers.

What about the big issues such as the war in Iraq and government transparency? Don't those deserve more time than whether Obama ran banner ads on a website?


by animated on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:42:15 PM EST

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I think I'm voting for Edwards...but this is just silly. Jonathan, you're probably the most objective blogger on the site...but in this case it probably would've served to screen for complete irrelevance.

I'm just not buying the blogosphere narrative of Barack hating Democrats. He didn't bash Gore and Kerry; he was just saying he was electable, and reminding us how much it stings to lose. He didn't bash trial lawyers; he just made the point that he went for the career he thought was most noble, even though there was a very lucrative career available to him. I do agree that bringing up the social security issue was dumb. But I've seen far far dumber.

I realize I sound like an Obama apologist...but I'm really tired of this ridiculous narrative.


by Jon on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:57:50 PM EST

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Jon you're not an apologist your being sensible.


John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:01:30 PM EST
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Well said.  Nothing that Obama has said about either Hillary or Edwards has bothered me since it is largely true.  Hillary is polarizing and Edwards is going to have to deal with his position changes if he is the nominee.  

This is a campaign and part of that is differentiating yourself.  Obama was pointing out what he sees as his strengths and his opponents weaknesses.  You don't have to agree but that's his job and frankly this has been pretty tame compared to some of the nasty hatchet jobs of past years.

I am still deciding and have until Feb 5 to do so.  However, nothing Obama has said makes me or less likely to support him.


by John Mills on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:14:56 PM EST
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Josh Marshall has an interesting take on the Obama-Drudge story.  He says it is possible Obama's campaign had no idea b/c most internet ads are sold through intermediaries.  See the link below.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/06 2444.php


by John Mills on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:17:23 PM EST

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This is madness. The netroots community is obsessed with its own sense of self importance. The idea that a retraction by dailykos is going to matter to anyone that lives a nrmal life, meaning one that doesn't involve countless hours writing multiple page diaries on mydd, and rereading taylor marsh rants, is laughable. I can sympathize with the criticism that obama is relatively inexperienced in nat'l issues/foreign policy, but simply making.things up in the final hours before the caucuses in a DESPERATE attempt to hurt his campaign is pathetic. conservatives aren't  the only people that visit drudge.


by highgrade on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:18:33 PM EST

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this post is so irrelevant to the issues in this campaign.  It's time to move on to better news sources.   OpenLeft covered this issue in a far more responsible manner.  


by rajk on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:21:54 PM EST

Good grief (none / 0)

Most blog ads are not controlled by the person who buys the ad on which sites they show up on. This is beyond pathetic. Hell, we have seen big oil ads on Daily Kos via blog ads.


by lestatdelc on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:44:44 PM EST

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Not only is this post petty, it shows a misunderstanding of how web advertising works.

As someone who works in the web design industry and has run these kinds of campaigns, I can tell you that the ad buyer doesn't decide that they want their ads to appear on a particular site.

Google Adwords, kind of the gold standard for pay-per-click advertising, asks you to enter keywords to match your content to the content of sites you'd like it to appear on. Other ad networks, such as Yahoo and MSN's, work similarly. So, you aren't choosing "Drudge Report" or "Huffington Post." You're choosing "politics" and "news."

Furthermore, the idea that Barack Obama himself would have any involvement in this is just idiotic. My guess would be that he's a little too busy running around Iowa to be participating in banner ad decisions.


by animated on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 05:58:36 PM EST

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I have to think it's a little more complicated that that, or else every Democratic candidate's ad would be showing up on Drudge and other conservative sites.  In addition, what you're saying doesn't fit with the claim of the Obama campaign to have "an approved list of sites we advertise on."


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 06:41:50 PM EST
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Well I wouldn't be surprised if, like most organizations, they're a little bit clumsy about talking about technology. Without looking over the shoulder of whoever placed the ads, there's no way to know, but what I described is the basic process most advertisers use. Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo made a similar point today:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/06 2444.php


by animated on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 09:18:55 PM EST
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I get so confused....
Even Obama supporters are claiming his "lawyers" thing and his Gore'Kerry thing are attempts by his campaign to reach across.
The attitudes expressed here by those who dismiss the "netroots" has the certain stench of Republican trollism...
However, if Obama, like Clinton believes the mythical center will win the General Election?
The Democratic voters moved left of there in 2006 even if those we elected did not...

Remember that Harry and Nancy reached over in 2007...
and in their own way so did Clinton and Obama...
If either of them had taken to the floor, for anything important with the passion and courage of Dodd the election would be over. But they did not so it is not..
I hope all you HRC and Obama supporters have defended Harry and Nancy against the unfounded attacks by the "netroots"
We will see how this all plays out on 2/5...
Nothing will be determined before then..


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:01:56 PM EST

Strange coincidence (none / 0)

I said the same thing about 47% of the population dead set against the Democratic nominee.

Except I included Obama in that.


by johnny longtorso on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:05:54 PM EST


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