Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC

Chris Dodd appeared on MSNBC earlier and was asked by Andrea Mitchell about Dennis Kucinich's urging his supporters to caucus for Obama as their second choice. Dodd offered a fierce and principled takedown of the maneuver and got a nice dig in at Obama while he was at it.

Well, I don't think that Kucinich supporters in Iowa like the idea that Dennis is going to tell them how to vote tomorrow night. I went back and stood up and filibustered on the constitution the other day, Barack Obama did not. I know Kucinich supporters here care about the constitution.

As he elaborated on his distaste for the practice of candidates' urging supporters to caucus for someone else, he appealed to the pride with which Iowans approach their first in the nation responsibility.

I don't think they're going to walk into a caucus at Dennis's behest and cast a ballot he'd like them to cast. This is not an auction here. [...]

I'll make up my own mind as a caucus-goer but don't you tell me as a candidate, in fact I'm offended that you'd even suggest that I ought to do what you want me to do. [...]

The idea that you're willing to market me, to auction me off to some other campaign would truly bother me.

Notice how he casts himself as the caucus-goer in the scenario rather than the candidate, clearly trying to convey the message: "I'm a one of you." Hell, if any candidate has earned the right to make such an appeal, it's Chris Dodd, he did move to Iowa after all. Which begs the question: will Senator and Mrs. Dodd be caucusing tomorrow night? I presume not since their residency there has been merely a function of the campaign but I'm sure Iowans would not begrudge them, as official residents of the state, the chance to take part in a process as caucus-goers that Senator Dodd has been so involved in as a candidate. Or is there a law against candidates caucusing?

Notably, Dodd also used the interview as an opportunity to urge the other candidates to stop calling his office asking for his own Kucinich-esque endorsement. When pressed to reveal which campaigns had approached him, he refused to say, the implication being the top 3 had solicited his second choice support.

Update [2008-1-2 15:19:15 by Todd Beeton]:Not a shock to learn officially that the Dodds will in fact not be caucusing tomorrow night, as they are not official residents of Iowa.



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I know a 2004 Kucinich supporter (none / 0)

who is seriously considering Dodd because of his action on the FISA bill. He definitely picked up progressive support that way.

Most of the former Kucinich supporters are with Edwards.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:00:32 PM EST

Re: I know a 2004 Kucinich supporter (none / 0)

I would have thought a decent number of Kucinich supporters would be partial to Obama based upon the "against the war from the start" thing.  Do you have a sense for why that may not be the case?  Am I maybe making a bad assumption about who Kucinich's supporters are in the first place?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:11:36 PM EST
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Re: I know a 2004 Kucinich supporter (none / 0)

I found that to be an interesting endorsement as well.  I would've thought Edwards was the second choice for Kucinich supporters.

And, by the way, I think that's the real news here.    Kucinich, being the most liberal candidate by miles, is very deliberately choosing Obama as his natural heir.  I think that's fascinating since Obama is known in various parts as a "Republican" and a "LieberDem" and a "Nobody".  Any thoughts on why Kucinich went with Obama?


by the mollusk on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:31:34 PM EST
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Some of us actually voted for this guy as Senator (none / 0)

and are wondering why his seat in the Senate is collecting dust while he traipses around Iowa.  Obama has been absent for too many key votes while pursuing his own ambitions.  If he can't fulfill his job as Senator, maybe he should get out of politics altogether.


by pascal1947 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:37:55 PM EST
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Re: Some of us actually voted for this guy as Sena (none / 0)

My condolences.  My Senator is also running for President and she has done a pretty good job of showing up.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 07:45:52 PM EST
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Re: I know a 2004 Kucinich supporter (none / 0)

I will tell ya why Dodd has been stinking in Iowa, he still thinks Democrats cast a ballot at the caucus.


by danIA on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:32:58 PM EST
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Re: I know a 2004 Kucinich supporter (2.00 / 1)

Sour grapes, that's all it is.


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by shergald on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:58:31 PM EST
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Dodd really wants those 6 Kucinich supporters (none / 0)

That might raise Dodd's number of supporters above 20!

Sheesh.

Really, I think a campaign has a right to suggest, or in this case, basically endorse.   What does Dodd think Kucinich did wrong again?


by dpANDREWS on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:05:09 PM EST

Re: Dodd really wants those 6 Kucinich supporters (none / 0)

Dodd doesn't like anything any of the other candidates do, ever.

That said, he doesn't really "think" that Kucinich has no right to endorse.  He's simply trying to make a play for those voters himself.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:16:22 PM EST
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Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

Back when we were talking about the issue of out-of-state college students voting, I asked whether Dodd's family would be caucusing.  (I guess that just means him and his wife.)  I'm not sure anyone took me seriously, but I still think it's a good question!

I assume they would not be caucusing simply because they fall under the same sort of rubric as campaign staff.  I mean, even if campaign staff happen to become "official residents" in connection with working on the campaign, it seems to be the pattern and practice that staff doesn't caucus.  So really, it's the same deal here.

Also, it would be quite embarassing if Dodd and his wife found themselves sitting alone in a corner as the only two Dodd supporters in their precinct... and even more embarrassing when they got asked to go band up with their second choice!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:14:58 PM EST

Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

Campaign staff from previous caucuses routinely have caucused here in the past, so I anticipate this happening again.  

I really like Chris Dodd, so I hope that he doesn't caucus like you suggest and embarass himself if he's not viable.


by IowaCubs on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:30:49 PM EST
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Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

Maybe the tradition I spoke of only applies to primaries, not caucuses.  I sure thought I remembered something from a few months back where the campaigns were asking their staff not to caucus, though.

Maybe having your campaign staff in the actual caucus room, able to strategize and do wheeler-dealer type stuff, is just too big an advantage to pass up.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:32:29 PM EST
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Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

Aren't two of the legitimate reasons to run that you can influence both the debate and the eventual winner?

Asking you to endorse a second choice is not offensive, Chris Dodd. Your supporters and your beliefs would both benefit if you did so.


by JoeFelice on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:21:50 PM EST

Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

I've heard a prominent Dodd supporter here in Iowa that she will be caucusing for Obama as a second choice.


by IowaCubs on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:26:59 PM EST

Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

I've only been asked to be a second choice candidate by Richardson, and I've pledged my second choice support to him.  I've also struck a deal with their precinct captain to make Richardson viable in my precinct if he'd help us give Obama an extra delegate.  

Ahh, the caucus!


by IowaCubs on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:29:04 PM EST
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Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

I got two calls from Richardson asking me to be my 2nd choice and a similar call from Biden today.


by danIA on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:37:20 PM EST
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Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

I have heard the same from one.


by danIA on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:35:54 PM EST
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Endorsesments: Michael Moore on Edwards (I think) (none / 0)

Michael appears to be endorsing Edwards, or at the very least the message JRE is running on. It isnt a flat out, he has real cautions and worries, and he's been let down by democrats before, but then haven't we all? And to be clear, thats a big part of John Edwards point about not replacing corporate republicans with corporate democrats. Look yourself, but it seems to me that he sure likes what he see's in John. If you think Moore has been right a lot in the past, this might be the article you need to read now.

Who Do We Vote For This Time Around? A Letter from Michael Moore is the title of Moore's article on his home page. http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Please go read it, he says he will endorse later, but he praises then slams Clinton and Obama. He then worries about Edwards then praises him and finally says that although he is reserving his endorsement for now, he ends with an Edward's quote. This from his final paragraph;

"I absolutely believe to my soul that this corporate greed and corporate power has an ironclad hold on our democracy(?)" 'Cause the candidate who understands that, and who sees it as the root of all evil -- including the root of global warming -- is the President who may lead us to a place of sanity, justice and peace.


Please use the link go read it yourself, why he's waiting to 'endorse' Edwards is beyond me, it seems obvious it will be. I'm just reporting this, go make up your own mind.
by inexile on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:34:52 PM EST

Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

Endorsement?

Here is one that should matter to progressives...
Mike Moore for Edwards...

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008 01/02/6108

Mike Moore understands "fight the power"


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:45:42 PM EST

Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

Good for Chris. To endorse another candidate before a single vote has been cast is just insulting to your supporters, and ESPECIALLY to your donors. And for what? To curry favor with the guy who happens to be ahead in the latest poll and might be President?

Sheesh. Kucinich is just a strange, sad creature.


by ColoradoGuy on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:56:07 PM EST
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Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

Ok...it is not an endorsement..Moore gives that disclaimer...
but he does say that Edwards "gets it"

sorry for the mislead on endorsement...


"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:56:28 PM EST

Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

It's politics. Dodd should quit whining and focus on winning. No one complained when Edwards made a deal with Dennis K. in 2004. I thought it was a smart move.


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by TennesseeGurl on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:44:52 PM EST

Re: Dodd Slams Kucinich's Obama Maneuver on MSNBC (none / 0)

Dennis K's reasons
"I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade. ..... I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change."
John McCain: Drill, Drill, Surge!!!!!
by TennesseeGurl on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:47:07 PM EST


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